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And any lady should be thankful and grateful that the client enjoyed her so much that he went back for more even though she didn't receive a recommendation from him. Repeat business and regular clients are priceless! Hummmm, from reading this thread and the other one you started today, why do I have a feeling that, even though your general intentions seem to be good, that you are directly expressing someone else's personal frustration about not receiving as many recos as she would like and because she is experiencing a lot of no-shows? Anyway, back on topic... I believe it's a good thing that ladies are not allowed to solicit recommendations, even from a repeat clients: first, it puts the client in an awkward situation (he may or may not want to repeat after that) and plain and simple, it is tacky. If the client wants to write a reco, I am positive he will *without being asked. For newbies reading this thread, please know that not every lady feels that way and you should never feel like you HAVE to write a recommendation. Most will appreciate your repeat business over a recommendation any time. You call some hobbyists "lazy-ass dudes" because they do not write recos for some deserving ladies? Really? lol Everyone has their own reasons for writing/not writing recommendations and it's no one's place to judge if their reasons are valid or not. Sure, it would be great if many more recommendations were written for the ladies but the fact is that a large majority do not write them and never will. Mandatory recommendations after a few visits if you're a Cerb member? I can't even start to tell you how wrong that would be for all kinds of reasons. And as far as tips are concerned, it has been said before, over and over: tips are always appreciated but never expected and no one should ever feel pressured to leave one.

Perhaps I missed the Cerb memo where the ladies needed someone to come to their rescue & you were elected saviour of the downtrodden, but dude, enough already. Because personally, as a smart articulate woman who can fully advocate for herself, I find your attitude & posts incredibly patronizing. That said, I have a whole other issue to address. This entire post makes me uncomfortable for reasons that have nothing to do with it's tone. Firstly, it reeks of a fishing expedition on how to run an agency & I feel reads like an SP or Agency/Spa discussing an Escort Industry problem. Because why does a photographer need to know the ins & outs of how to reduce the number of no shows? Again, why is this so important to you? Respectfully, if you ask questions here, you will get answers. Whether or not you like them is immaterial. This is a public forum with strong opinions from intelligent people. No one is trying to be mean, they are simply being honest & sharing their thoughts. If you have something informative, why not post it here if it is so awesome? But just because folks disagree with you does not mean that anyone is twisting stories, taking things out of context or that your posts are considered useless. I find them incredibly useful for my main bone of contention: your lack of discretion in implying that professional secert keepers are sharing info with you, followed by YOU cryptically sharing it here. I have 2 photographers that are also friends. They know my real name, address, phone number & personal details of my life. If I were to read a post such as this from either of them, I would be beyond incensed. And they would no longer be trusted. They would, however, be in every SP only area in which I participate as a warning to other ladies not to engage their services. You may wish to consider this when you read again how you have spoken out of school in reference to your clients. And since you feel that the reco is of such paramount importance that it MUST be written, know this, also, please: by alluding to the fact that SPs are talking to you, complaining, whatever, you are, without proof, quietly & perhaps irrevocably, casting aspersions as to the character & discretion of ladies you have seen. This alone may cost them more in terms of clients, money & reputation than any reco or lack thereof. In my mind, a sincere apology is rarely followed by a comment like this. The fact of the matter is: you got a lot of answers. Also a fact: you just don't like any of them. Fact: not a Cerb problem. Also fact: seems it's only yours. Sandi Sorry I posted in the wrong thread. I reposted in the correct one but will also leave this here. It applies to both, I feel. Thanks. S

Dude. You've got a remarkable talent for delivering an apology in a way that says "what a shame it is that everyone but me sucks".

Just wondering where your recommendations are that you have written? Your lines make you sound like a pimp and not a professional photographer, I shoot with one of the best and at NO time has he EVER asked about my business or reviews, that is just wrong. Your job is too shoot photos not start gossip about some girls whining. Tips and reccos are not expected, however they are appreciated when one does not feel guilted into doing either. Just because people don't wrote anything does not mean they had a good or a bad time, it is their preference not to write anything. Stop judging others until you can judge yourself.

There's much more to an encounter than an orgasm. Take time to have conversation over drinks. Spend time getting to know one another. Then go to the bedroom. Being intimate with a lady, and just my opinion, is much more enjoyable with someone you spent time getting to know a little. After sex, and you orgasm, continue to lie in bed with the lady, kiss, cuddle, conversation. Ladies are much more than providers of sex, they are providers of companionship. And companionship is special My two cents RG

The total membership of my "take 'em to the bank" regulars do not write recos. Ever. I have few recos in over 5 years, I advertise rarely and yet I exist comfortably and with total satisfaction in my business. Reco's are not the be all to end all. They don't add to my business, if anything they discourage the kind of client I like to attract at this point. So really, having lots of recos depends on the provider and the kind of business she's trying to establish. I understand the OP's intention as well meaning but we are all different in our goals and objectives and a guests never has to kiss and tell... cat

We do not have the ability to delete comments from our threads. Don't feel sorry for my mother. She is not to be pitied. I pointed her out as an example that not everyone finds it easy to write things. An inability to write IS an excuse. I think you need to accept that not everyone thinks it's so easy to write something. You don't know everything. Neither do I. So please, stop telling other people what to do. No one likes that - I think the comments in that thread are making that quite clear. You're not doing anything to help these girls right now. Some of my regulars have never written a review for me - and if I'd found out someone gave them shit for that, I would be mortified. Something your SP tells you in private should have been kept in private, not turned into a lecture to other members of this site.

I spent an hour this morning with a wonderful new friend. But we didn't get off on such a good foot. Shortly before he was due to arrive, I noticed a man wandering up and down the road. ?? I live on a little dead end road with only three homes on it. When I see someone wandering around on the street, I look out my window and wonder, who's that? What's he doing? I'm pretty sure my neighbours do too! But if I see someone park in front of one of my neighbours' homes, I don't wonder at all. Obviously the person is visiting my neighbour. Nothing wrong with that, and none of my business. When he came to the door, I asked him what he was doing, and where was his car? Oh, he parked it elsewhere and decided to walk up. "To be discreet." Groan!! Actually, where I live, that probably pretty much ensured anything but! When I do encounter my neighbours, one topic of discussion often comes up: did you see those people down by the path to the river? I wonder who they were." "There was some woman out walking around. I thought she was a Jehovah's Witness, but she didn't come to my door. Did you see her?" Nobody ever says, "hey, who was that guy who came to your house yesterday?" That would be nosy and inappropriate. They only seem to notice and talk about the ones wandering around on foot. Because it's unusual to see non-locals walking around out here. Everybody notices. Guys, we want to be as discreet as much as you do. And we know our neighbourhoods. And our neighbours. That's why we sometimes give you very precise instructions for where to park and what to do when you arrive. Please follow our instructions. (And, of course, the same advice goes to SPs when visiting a client's address.) Thank you!

No one has said they're not important or needed. What most of us are saying is that not everyone wants to write them. And although you think it's 'legit' to disagree with my statement that not everyone is comfortable writing, I will flat out say this: YOU ARE WRONG. Not everyone is comfortable writing. In addition to my mother, two of my siblings have learning disabilities and do not like having to write things. Now that does NOT mean they should be pitied, or that it's 'no excuse' not to write things. You need to be more understanding. Not everyone is comfortable writing things. Why is that so hard to understand? Also: your statement "Their handicap or inability to write something is no excuse. As mentioned below, there's help in that area for whatever problem they have." is both insensitive, uneducated, and well, just plan mean. I'm glad you find it so easy to write things, but not everyone does. And I wouldnt' want them to have to find help somewhere just in order to write an escort recommendation. Rather than listen to anyone saying that not everyone wants to/not everyone CAN write a rec, you're instead saying 'sorry guys, wanted to help, but they're not listening to me!'. You don't seem to be listening to the responses. People have responded in many ways, explaining why they do or do not post, and girls have responded as well. Not everyone agrees that every client should write a rec: why is that so hard to accept?

Another thing to keep in mind: some people aren't comfortable writing in any venue. It may be a language barrier, could be dyslexia, could be a fear of writing, could be many different things. My mother gets so nervous even typing a simple email it can take her hours to do so. Does that mean she shouldn't be a member of any online forums? Just because someone doesn't want to sit down and write about their encounter does not mean they didn't enjoy it, it does NOT mean they need a kick in the ass, and it definitely does not mean they don't belong on cerb.

I say "no thank you" to many potential appointments. If I dont enjoy the way the email is written such as lack of introduction, lack of effort ,etc. also if someone has an issue with my request for phone number, reference etc. I will decline and I dont take same day appointments or telephone bookings. I trust my instincts and if someone sounds off or iffy to me I simply say "take care and good bye". I haven't had a no show this year, maybe one in 2012. It works

This is a great topic, glad I came across it! I guess from my perspective, yes a "regular" client is a good thing of course, but if I lowered my rate to see you (simply because u see me often) I may be missing on a larger donation from someone else, simply because they don't see me as often? Doesn't seem very fair to me or the gent forking out the full rate. After numerous visits, if both parties enjoy each other, the chemistry has now grown and you're having an even more spectacular time than you did on your first visit... and if I get it right, you think this should cost you LESS? ERROR CODE 69 : Does not compute

Perhaps I missed the Cerb memo where the ladies needed someone to come to their rescue & you were elected saviour of the downtrodden, but dude, enough already. Because personally, as a smart articulate woman who can fully advocate for herself, I find your attitude & posts incredibly patronizing. That said, I have a whole other issue to address. This entire post makes me uncomfortable for reasons that have nothing to do with it's tone. Firstly, it reeks of a fishing expedition on how to run an agency & I feel reads like an SP or Agency/Spa discussing an Escort Industry problem. Because why does a photographer need to know the ins & outs of how to reduce the number of no shows? Again, why is this so important to you? Respectfully, if you ask questions here, you will get answers. Whether or not you like them is immaterial. This is a public forum with strong opinions from intelligent people. No one is trying to be mean, they are simply being honest & sharing their thoughts. If you have something informative, why not post it here if it is so awesome? But just because folks disagree with you does not mean that anyone is twisting stories, taking things out of context or that your posts are considered useless. I find them incredibly useful for my main bone of contention: your lack of discretion in implying that professional secert keepers are sharing info with you, followed by YOU cryptically sharing it here. I have 2 photographers that are also friends. They know my real name, address, phone number & personal details of my life. If I were to read a post such as this from either of them, I would be beyond incensed. And they would no longer be trusted. They would, however, be in every SP only area in which I participate as a warning to other ladies not to engage their services. You may wish to consider this when you read again how you have spoken out of school in reference to your clients. And since you feel that the reco is of such paramount importance that it MUST be written, know this, also, please: by alluding to the fact that SPs are talking to you, complaining, whatever, you are, without proof, quietly & perhaps irrevocably, casting aspersions as to the character & discretion of ladies you have seen. This alone may cost them more in terms of clients, money & reputation than any reco or lack thereof. In my mind, a sincere apology is rarely followed by a comment like this. The fact of the matter is: you got a lot of answers. Also a fact: you just don't like any of them. Fact: not a Cerb problem. Also fact: seems it's only yours. Sandi

Close, and good on ya for apologizing. I'd only point out that your final conclusion is off the mark. It's not that you won't find those answer "here", it's that you won't find them "this way". "Here" is actually a pretty awesome, thoughtful and informative place. So here's to tomorrow being a better Thumper day! ;)

Many of us on this board don't do no shows So Thanks but we don't need enlightening. The way you are wording your comments you make it sound like we are all guilty of doing no shows and I am sure I may not be the only one finding this insulting!!!

No one is saying the girls don't need recs. What we're saying is... not everyone wants to write them. And that's fine. A lot of men LOVE to write them, and I know I love receiving them. But I don't resent the clients who don't write them, and I would never want them to feel they HAD to write one. It wouldn't make me feel good about getting that rec, that's for sure. Cerb provides a lot of different things for a lot of different people... there's no right or wrong way (unless you're breaking the rules of course). Every client is different, and I for one like that :)

None of the above! I think 'She's ADORABLE and looks like soooo much fun, I'd like to have a no-pants dance party with her!'

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Everybody is correct here in that you won't find a freebie; but CERB is a good place to vent, cry and perhaps understand that at 22 this isn't going to be the last time this happens. Sorry hun. We can all say it's happened to us, but that certainly doesn't make your heart any less hurt. Maybe you can take what you say about showing it in the wrong ways and when you meet that next girl that makes your heart go pitter patter (and it will happen), you will know what not to do. At 22 none of us are experts in love. Hell lots of folks never learn. But I have faith that some day soon, when you least expect it some girl will turn your head and smile at you. Until then, perhaps browse the young ladies here and enjoy some "you" time.

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As a photographer, I usually get to chat with the clients and I found a disturbing phenomenon amongst most of them. Guys that don't leave any kind of recommendation for the ladies... even after seeing them several times. They obviously liked what went on in their session or they wouldn't be back... right? Most of them come from this site and they know what it's all about. That's why it's called CERB. We come here to read these recommendations and make an informed decision on who we will meet. Some deserving girls don't get the recognition they need because some selfless, lazy-ass dude won't take the time to say something nice. Unfortunately, most establishments have rules so the girls can't even ask for one after a few visits. In my opinion, it should be mandatory. If you met her on this site, and yes, probably based your desition on her recommendations, you should be required to post one. By not posting, you are insulting the MP/SP or at the very least, making her think she has done nothing right or something wrong. Whatever happened wasn't important enough for you to mention. If that is the case, why do you go back to her? I hope some of you lazy ass dudes that read this feel guilty enough to take the time and say something nice about the ladies you have visited. They work very hard to make a living and they deserve big tips and all the recommendations they can get. Who knows, she may even show her appreciation on your next visit. This is a site for the hobbyist so he can be informed. Other MPs/SPs know that most hobbyists see different ladies from time to time so there's no jealousy issues to worry about. There's no acceptable reason why you can't leave one. Don't be a miser. Leave a generous tip and say something nice for once in your life. Okay, rant is over. :-)

Mudbunny, previous posters have already given you some good advice and I believe if you use some of the tips you were given, you will do just fine ;) and enjoy your experiences that much more! As RG suggested, have a drink with the lady when you arrive. Talk a little to set the mood. There's no need to rush into anything. From there, the two of you can easily go for a sexy soapy shower together to warm things up a little more. When the two of you are being intimate and you feel yourself getting too close, you can always stop and take care of her for a while ;) and then enjoy some more direct stimulation later. If you happen to orgasm, nothing says the two of you cannot go for #2 :) If a second orgasms in not in the cards, the two of you can easily spend the remaining time cuddling and talking or giving each other a massage (and maybe take another sexy shower together). There are many ways of delaying the inevitable. Just use your imagination, explore and enjoy it! :)

I completely agree with MightyPen: Plus saying "thinks this is condescending" even your apology sound like you are condescending others. Just slapping in a "sorry" does not* make everything okay. "At least with the other post I did get some valuable information before it blew up that I can pass on. This one... not so much." READ READ READ. There is a LOT of VALUABLE INFORMATION here posted by providers and hobbyist; it just you have to take off your blinders and see it on broader view. blind·er: 1. blinders A pair of leather flaps attached to a horse's bridle to curtail side vision. Also called blinkers. 2. Something that serves to obscure clear perception and discernment.

I am reading on with this post now only to find out if it can get any more condescending than it is after this comment. This, coming from the same poster who objects to "Trolls" on another post today

She was nice of enough to send a picture to my email. She is F.I.N.E FINE!!!

While I agree with your intent, that good sessions should result in good recommendations (if the provider agrees - some don't), I'm a little taken aback by your approach. I'm taking myself back in time to when I first started here. I've got to learn the rules and the etiquette so I don't come across as the bumbling fool I'm afraid I might be. Now I've finally figured out who I want at the helm of my maiden CERB voyage. Gotta learn the details on how to arrange, present myself, conduct myself, and gracefully exit. Done. And now I should get my ass kicked if I don't write a recommendation? Seriously? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you didn't write this with newbies in mind. I agree with your un-selected choice of a gentle reminder to the more experienced members. But I can't quite shake the idea that there are one or four newbies reading this thread asking "WTF?" The above reflects only my uniformed opinion and no one else's. And who knows. I might disavow them tomorrow.

When asked to share more about yourself on the booking form or email you: A) attach a penis photo B) share an brief introduction and ask if the lady requires any more details C) ask the lady if she is a cop

I like the points made by the other posters, that some men just don't like to post... but I disagree with this one. If you'd like to write a recommendation, by all means post it - whether it's repetitive or not. A good time is a good time, and we like to get those recos, whether you're writing something similar or not. I do understand the reasons why some men don't write them, but I do think repetition shouldn't be a factor. I don't think it's redundant, instead I think it shows that a provider has continuded to provide good service, so she has continued to receive good reviews :)

I can say I have maybe 1 no show per year, at most. I think its completely avoidable.

I think your impulse is good Thumper, but I'm also with Lee and and Roamingguy on this one. I assume most Ladies consider recommendations along the same lines as they do tips -- appreciated when they happen but not necessarily expected. Good hygiene, respect, following directions, etc. -- these are rightfully expected. But a recommendation is, I would think, more a nice treat or bonus. Now I for one quite enjoy writing them. I think they are a valuable way to show your appreciation, and like you think they are well deserved. But I don't think they should be mandatory or that someone should feel guilty if they don't. Actually, I think they would lose some of their value if it was seen as a chore. Surely it's better to have fewer ones written by those truly moved to do so than have a string of them from people guilt-tripped into providing one. It's also worth pointing out that some ladies prefer not to have recommendations posted, or at least have preference in terms of content (a recommendation isn't typically the place for a "dear penthouse" type letter). There's nothing wrong with a gentle reminder that recommendations are often appreciated and worth doing. But they are not everything. I'm sure a lot of gentlemen have other ways of showing their appreciation, and it may not be fair to harshly judge those that prefer not to leave public recommendations of their encounters.

OMG! now I know why the folks at the UoM Cancer Clinic "recommended" that I should not drink alcohol for 48 - 72 hours! Thought I was pissing for a Kodak moment! After drinking (inhaling) beer and shooters with my buddies in Detroit Sunday night, got into my son's house in Toronto, and immediately went to the bathroom. Standing there doing my thing, and a Bright Blue stream is coming out of my cock!!! My kidneys are hurting and I am waiting for the CBS Peacock to come walking in to observe. Just about gave me a heart attack. Call the CC, after they stopped laughing, gave me a "told you so" said it was a reaction to one of the tracing drugs they gave me and the alcohol I drank. Whew! thought my new career would be with the tidy bowl company!!! Just waiting for final outcomes. Hugs to all. Tom The Liquor

I had the unfortunate experience of falling for a bait and switch. Long time member here and have never done a post like this, but feel I should warn others. Pics and age are not real. Without going Into details. I just want to make everyone aware that the person is misrepresenting herself and unfortunately many people(myself included) fell for the old bait and switch.

I am just curious about allergies... I had a client visit recently who has a severe allergy to peanuts. I had a chocolate bar in my room with nuts in it ... unopened ... but it made me think. I'm often snacking on almonds or nuts, and the allergy to nuts is so common nowadays. On a similar topic, I attended an outcall this past weekend to a gent's home who had two lovely pups. He mentioned they would be there while we were planning our rendezvous, and I love dogs, have no allergies so it's not an issue. I know several ladies who tour and travel with their pooch. Another time, long ago, had a gent visit me who had put some desensitizing gel on himself I assume to prolong the action. It was obvious as soon as my lips touched him as they went numb from the benzocaine. Good thing I wasn't allergic, but there might be another lady who is. My question is this: ladies ... do you advise a gent if you have severe allergies when you take a booking or attend an outcall? gents... do you advise a lady if you have severe allergies when you request a meeting? thanks for the input :)

I've heard from several sources, especially the successful ones, that they are experiencing a lot of No Shows and Trolls of late. Why is this happening and what can we respectable guys do about it? These MPs/SPs work very hard to market their skills and make preparations to meet clients. When someone just doesn't show up for their appointment, these girls loose valuable time and money as they could have scheduled someone else in if they had some kind of warning. Everyone knows that things can happen that require a cancellation but why on earth would you not let the girl know you can't make it. You'd call your Doctor, Dentist, and even your Mom so why not them. Even if you only had a 20 minute notice yourself. Some of these girls may have even turned down some other clients that could have replaced you at a moments notice. A quick call from her to one of them, could possibly save her that session time if the client is only a few minutes away. You are disrespecting our MPs/SPs and not giving them the level of attention that you will with other professionals. You cancel a cab at the last minute because you don't want him to show up at your door and you don't come out. Understandably, the cabby will be upset so how do you think your MP/SP will feel while she waits patiently for your arrival and you don't show up. I have never had a last minute cancellation for any photo shoots but if I ever get one, I'm pretty sure my client would give me a heads up as soon as they know they can't make it. Why are these hard working girls treated any differently. Some of the girls believe that most of these no shows are just trolls. Usually fake profiles set up to make appointments just so they don't show up. So why are these so popular with a successful MP/SP? I believe they are created by certain recruiting establishments that want this successful girl to go work for them. They feel if she looses enough money from no show clients, she'll move on. Hopefully she'll accept their earlier offer this time. Some believe these trolls are other competitors, perhaps even working in the same establishment. They're trying to make them want to get a different job because all their clients keep canceling and they make no money. They may just want to make them look unorganized and unsuccessful so the establishment boss will fire them. If anyone has any ideas how these MPs/Sps can avoid these no shows and trolls more effectively, please post it here. The regular communication options like PMs, text, and e-mail don't seem to be working. There should be some kind of fall back system so the girls can report these no shows and trolls so they can be instantly banned. Possibly even an IP collecting database so these Trolls can be tracked down later. I don't know. Just a thought I guess.

In all honesty, most of the time it's not just the next day for me. We had a good time at the Bachelor party at cmj Saturday and I'm still vibrating from it and probably will continue to for the next few days. That's just me though :-)

For a brief moment I shared an intimate experience with a lovely woman, life was grand, colours were brighter and all was right with the world. The next day is often like lunch-bag let down. The world seems dull by comparison, more grey than vivid. This probably explains why I carry on like I do. I crave the highs. I seek out those like me and together we seek admittance to heaven, if even for a short time.

Waking up minutes before the alarm feeling rested and relaxed. Some days, getting out of bed is double tough. Today was a breeze. Gotta be thankful for the little things.

Question 6: preparing for my encounter I should? a) Watch porn and get myself ready... b)go to the gym and have a good sweat... c) take a nice long shower, brush teeth and smell squeaky clean for the lady.... d) take a few beers to help me relax...

Been there (USA) done it, it is not as scary as everyone thinks it is. Use Caution, you need to develop communication with a well known lady.......VIP courtesans is the route to take (stay away from BP and other sites like it) and go through her screening system. I visited in SC and GA had no issues, but I did a lot for pre-planning (like 4 months in advance) and I'm a member myself on site called P411 which is a site that men are ok'd by ladies here in Canada and throughout the USA. Again use your BIG head not your small HEAD. :)

maybe because i have no allergies like that other then environmental, i have never thought of it before. but if i was allergic to nuts, i would inform the lady i was visiting. if it is a threat to your health to even be around certain things i would definitely bring it up. interesting thought :) thank you

Like Lee I hear what you are saying and understand where you are coming from Me, I personally don't use recommendations to decide who to see, but I know that some gentlemen do. That said, I do write recommendations, and love writing them. It is just my way of providing the lady with a public thank you for providing me with a wonderful encounter. Second maybe it will help her business, she might get another client, or more. And finally sort of the opposite side of number two, some gentlemen will know of a wonderful lady to see. Why do I love writing them, it means I just had a wonderful encounter with a lady, and I love wonderful encounters So recommendations are just my way of saying thank you to the lady and giving back to this community But many gentlemen are shy about posting, especially recommendations. They think it has to be a university essay. But a simple couple lines such as "I saw _________for an incall/outcall. Place clean. Photos accurate. She arrived on time. Had a very good time (don't even need details here) Would see her again" would suffice for a recommendation What really irks me though, is those members who won't see a lady citing lack of recommendations, but you pull up those member's posts, they never have posted a recommendation in their life. Consumers of recommendations also need to be producers of recommendations (of course when they are due;-) ) A rambling RG

I'll second Passionvitto's sentiments and also say, most assuredly you are NOT doomed. If you orgasm easily best to start slow with lots of fore play and then end with a bang, or two or three. Many, many ladies will offer msog, including myself and happily attend to anyone needing to go slow. If I might suggest, always be very open with the sp you choose concerning any issues, questions and concerns you may have, we are here to make you feel better in all ways!!

These links may help you on your quest. Eros guide e c c i e ter sp411 Emily

Here we go again... I can't help but feel I've heard all this before. And trust me, if even I've heard it before then the ladies are probably sick to death of it.

Some final thoughts, now that the dust has settled and that i had time to relax a bit !! I want to thank Loneskater and Spud for their help in my organizing this social. It was an amazing experience organizing it, and comments we received in person, on this thread and in private were all positive. We've noted a few things to improve upon, as there's always room for improvement. Loneskater and I have had a chance to chat, and i can speak on his behalf here on the fact that both of us will be involved in organizing the December social. I want to provide forward notice that the next one will be on December 12th, but please wait until the official thread is started in a few weeks to contact us (messages sent concerning it will be unanswered), as we want to take a bit of time off to recover lol !!! Cheers!!

Had a wonderful time with this beautiful lady last week in T-Bay...she is a treat! Highly recommended!

Well not the same fear Jenn, but in the beginning of this lifestyle I was concerned, me being a middle aged man, bald, glasses and a belly meeting beautiful SP's, some of whom are IMHO model material. They could be in Playboy, Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit Edition or Victoria's Secret catalog or well you get the idea. These women could easily have any man they want. But, for the time of the encounter, the man they want is me, with all my flaws...I'm certainly not someone you'd see on the cover of Gentleman's Quarterly. If they really aren't into seeing men, they sure do a good job acting as if they are. They make me feel like a king, their friend and their boyfriend all rolled into one without making me feel like a client. And I'm sure they do that with all their clients. I say this because I believe you would get the same experience from SP's. Being treated like someone special, not a client. So I wouldn't worry about that aspect of meeting a SP. Probably your hurdle is having your first encounter, but it's just nervousness. I went through that first encounter nervousness and hurdle, probably everyone does. Once you do it though, you'll wonder why you waited so long Good luck RG