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I think that's a good question, but not of much practical use. If we're going to make sure we end up where we want to be, then the whole conversation is an exercise in futility and an utter waste of time. If you have a predetermined outcome, regardless of the evidence, then how can you possibly learn or discover anything? I think most people know this, on a gut level, and so they'll claim that they're following the first option. But as you say... Yup. Sure, it's possible. But this is where Occam's Razor comes in: given that we don't know, and have no evidence either way; it is not merely unnecessary to make stuff up; it's positively obstructive to future progress, especially when new evidence arises that contradicts the things that were previously invented without evidence but are now believed by some to be true, and people are unwilling to let go of their previous belief in the face of even compelling evidence against it. What's much better - but people seem unwilling to do - is to simply say, "I don't know." We don't have to have an explanation for everything, right now. It's OK to leave questions open. This is not to say that we can't speculate and come up with hypotheses that fit the available evidence... but we have to be prepared to ditch those hypotheses in the light of new evidence, and to be useful a hypothesis has to make predictions that can then be tested to see how correct it turns out to be. Yes. And this is where ID comes from; it's an attempt to reconcile current belief and identity with thus-far-unrefuted evidence. Alas, it doesn't work. Why on earth would you say that? We can work out how things like gravity and evolution and electromagnetism and chemistry work (and everything else, for that matter) without making assumptions or even caring about the motive or reason, if any, behind them. Now if you'd said "philosophy" then I may or may not have agreed, and if you'd said "religion" then I definitely would have done, but "science"? Not only does it carry on regardless, it's what creates this debate in the first place by challenging what had been assumed to be true for millennia.

Yes, for sure Emily. There has been no decrease in sex work either...and many holes have been poked in the major reports that attempt to substantiate that with bullshit data. As the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network Policy brief on the Swedish aka Nordic model has shown, http://www.aidslaw.ca/publications/publicationsdocEN.php?ref=1342 the work has just been more stigmatized and pushed further into the margins. When clients are placed under the specter of criminalization, so too are sex workers...negotiations are made hastily for fear of arrest. It has also led to a two tired health care system where workers are looked down upon and where anonymous HIV testing is denied to SPs (so unwise!). Because condom provision and other prevention programming is looked upon as somehow encouraging prostitution, these types of services have ceased for sex workers and their clients. It is also a crime for sex workers to run co-operative businesses. And, unless you own the property you work out of, it is a criminal offense to work in that given indoor space. Hardly a legislative model aiming to show care and concern for sex workers....and a lot of patronizing ideas about women being brandished in the process. We already have our own quasi-criminalized version of this framework in Canada. And, it's irritating that this Nordic model is touted as the next great hope in this country by people who clearly don't know what in the hell they are talking about. It's unfortunate that many upheld as experts on the issues don't even know the difference between a legalized or quasi-legalized model that treats SPs bodies as vices needing to be managed by the state, and a decriminalized model, which is what the sex workers' rights movement has been pushing for here , and internationally for decades. That is, a model where we shape best practices and meaningful health and safety standards as full-fledged labourers...professionals in our work, and where we have equal standing as citizens in this country. Huge difference!

A dangerous topic, as people tend to get emotionally involved, but I'll weigh in and will try to stay respectful. Intelligent design is sadly the result of a number of fallacies. I personally think, perhaps subconsciously, a lot of people believe in it because of a fear that evolution undercuts their religious beliefs, and so they latch on to this as a way of maintaining them. Now, I'm not religious myself, but I do like to point out that evolution and god are not incompatible. Evolution speaks to how life develops; it does not make a claim on its origin. Proponents of intelligent design claim that the complexity of life cannot be explained by evolution. This is an assumption; there is no scientific evidence supporting it. Very often the examples provided of things that are surely too complex to have come about without a divine guiding hand are simply misunderstood. The eye is a common example used by those favouring intelligent designed. "How or why could something so complex have come about on its own? Surely it's function is too intricate and specific to have developed without a guiding hand." But they forget the eye didn't just become its current form all at once. Vision as we know it would have started as simple as something being able to sense which direction light is coming from. A feature which you can imagine would be useful and so passed on. It would only be over untold generations that it such a thing would slowly gain complexity and function and become what we know as the eye today. But even for those things we don't have clear explanations for yet are not a point in favour of intelligent design. Lack of knowledge does not equal proof of a divine hand. Throughout history anything that couldn't be readily explained was given divine cause. Whether it's saying thunder is the gods fighting or a birds wings could not have come about naturally, it amounts to about the same thing. Intelligent design is also very selective in it's examples and arguments. True science forces itself to conform to evidence. But similar to how we tend to latch on to news that supports the sports team or politician we like and ignore their flaws (ever notice how everyone always thinks the refs are biased against their team and the news against their political beliefs?), intelligent design relies on misrepresenting facts, cherry picking data, misrepresenting evolution, and ignoring valid science. It basically comes down to this: yes, it is possible there is a god behind the design of all things. Evolution makes no claim about the existence of a god. That is not what evolution is about. A person can have faith in whatever higher power they wish, but just because a person believes there is a god behind it all does not mean it should be taught or considered as science.

How do you value your a(lone) time? How do you feel about being alone and/or lonely? How do you feel about the attachment we have to our cell phones, laptops, and ipods? I feel like we're constantly connected to something that may/may not be real. I feel like this 'connection' (virtual or otherwise) might infringe on our abilities to connect with people that are right in front of us. For example, I really miss just sitting on the bus and smiling at people. Being completely and utterly receptive to the present moment. I miss the time when it was more acceptable to start a random conversation with someone, before we all started hanging out with our cell phones. This is a really cool video that might inspire the thread - have fun with your responses:

I've been called a bottom feeder before. I take that as a complement because of my love of the feminine bottom and adjacent real estate.

If you're looking for recommendations I think a bit more info is needed. Your "regular" might not be someone else's regular. As for kissing, as Cristy said, it too is a VERY personal like/dislike. When you find someone who fits your kissing style and passion, who can transport you to the brink of ecstasy with their lips it's a beautiful thing. Start with attraction, move to meeting then try the kiss. Good luck in your search....SUCH a worthy goal! Kissing is *rawr*

I think there is a nerve that connects my nipple to my penis, because a woman sucking and playing with my nipples gives me a very instant and intense erection. :)

I, for one, am totally into it. Consider my nipples like little chocolate kisses that need to be consumed.

OMG!!! I have SUCH a male nipple fetish, the more sensitive the better. I love touching, pinching, licking, sucking, playing with them and I get turned on by it almost as much as he does. I find it's a very specific thing, either men like it/are into it or they're not. It's not something I push but if there is a reaction, I will definitely ask and given the green light, I am like a kid in a candy store! *rawr*

There are so many potential situations for orgasms that yes, this is possible. In my research and experience though, it's not a situation where "hey let's meet and make me cum without touching me". It is two people who are not only comfortable and trusting of one another but also have taken the time to learn the other person. This sort of experience is more mental than physical which means that you have to get into the other persons head and learn what buttons they have and how to activate them. How to weave the fantasy in their mind so that the physical body reacts. This takes time unless it's a really amazing situation. There are people who can do this to themselves but adding another person to the mix is not a short process. If this is the experience you're looking for, I wish you luck in finding it. So many things to explore!

How do i feel about being alone... good question but it really depends on what you mean by being alone... If we are talking about that positive time we have to ourselves to think, read, vegetate, self reflect or generally recharge our batteries I am all for it. However if we are talking about that feeling of being alone and unconnected even when we are surrounded by people.... that us a different thing. Sometimes in life we find ourselves in these places and it is when you need your friends and family to help you see what is right in front of you. The challenge is that often when we are in this place we act as if things are ok and we don't reach out for the help from the very people we need. People who are suffering from grief often find themselves alone in the crowd.

I love this and have done it personally and professionally. You do have to feel very safe and comfortable with whom you play, lets face it two men one women, the woman could be at risk. So please always play safe. In my threesomes I'd be giving head to one man while the other was behind-doggy;) Or one would be jerking off while he watched the two of us pleasure each other. So many ways to play in MMF, yummy!!

Not sure if this is the direction you are going but: Every time i see Christy's Tag line "I'm a Cock Therapist" two things run through my head: 1. Hmmm does my Cock Need Therapy (yes it does) 2. If it's Therapy.... can i get it covered by my medical insurance

Here is the website: http://www.someecards.com/ These make me laugh SO hard. Do it for me. Please. I love these. I've spent hours over the last week laughing! It's a great way to decompress and laugh a little.

Ottawa will be benefiting from a cuddle service in the new year. I responded to an ad of interest on CL and after some discussion it sounds like she will he ready to go in January. Keep your eyes open. We may need a new section here for this?

I love Miquelon because he's very in tune with himself and willing to explore all those pleasurable sensations. I love a man with an open mind!

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Ur recommending her, sayin people should check her out. Why not write in the recommendation section where most will go look if they want to know about a lady. Usually only newbies post reccos in this area as they don't have access to the recco section initially. You also sound like you are recommending Beckie as well. If that is the case why not write a recco for her as well in the recommendation section.

Long distance flirting/sexting with a very hot and horny goddess! Times like this, I wish I had a teleporter.

"I really imagine people looking like the avatar most of the time..." I've been found out! I do look kind of like my avatar (a different color though!)

I'm burning up! Feeling so hot, even this cold weather can't cool me down ;) If you're feeling cold or just want to feel the warmth of my soft skin, come on over and we can rub up against each other ;) I am a tall red head with a model type body that will leave you speechless without a doubt. Sexy longs legs and stunning blue eyes that will leave you breathless. A mind blowing experience that will have you coming back for more time and time again. My services include: full body massage, body slides, reverse massages, showers for 2, and I am very open to couples sessions and catering to the ladies :wink: Come see me today and get your mind blown at Paradise Spa located in the West End. Today from 9am until 5:30pm Wednesday from 9am until 11pm Thursday from 9am until 4pm Friday from 3:30pm until 11pm Saturday from 9am until 4pm Sunday from 10am until 9pm Call to book some sexy time with me at 613-820-8887 Also, be sure to check out my recommendations: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthr...t=victoriascrt

I found that website a while ago http://www.thesnuggery.org/index.html I've seen articles about it in the past year...seem to be becoming more popular. Thought clothes say on, no sexual contacts, no kissing. Just napping and snuggling with someone :)

It should be shouldn't it, lol. After all when the cock is attended to properly the rest of the body and mind work much more efficiently and effectively :)

Science may not answer all the questions but it at leasts eliminates other answers that are suggested.

This sounds really interesting. There is so much value in touch and skin on skin contact. For those who aren't looking for a FS experience or less of one, this would be a great alternative. I'd love something like this....although kissing would have to be included!

Don't bother baby< I have had a few tonight and can't see anything either . Don't worry and our dear Mod will figure it out , we just have to have fun!! Love to you in your very cold province, Cathy xoxo

Intelligent Design claims to be a scientific theory rather than a philosophy. That means that Intelligent Design claims should be able to be tested with experiments and the results of these experiments should be able to be reproduced by others, but... The supporters of Intelligent Design have not had their work peer reviewed, they haven't published their data and they haven't been published in any scientific journals. Since Intelligent Design can't produce any physical evidence, it's a philosophy, not a science. There's nothing wrong with holding various philosophical beliefs. Philosophical views can be enjoyably discussed and debated, but you won't be able to prove or disprove anything about the physical world. Human evolution is certainly amazing. I understand why it seems like an overwhelmingly amazing series of lucky breaks. In part that's because we tend to overlook all the evolutionary "failures", the "dead ends". Physical evidence indicates natural selection has weeded out approximately 20 failed hominid species over the last 6M years. So in addition to a lot of things going "right" in the evolution of Homo Sapiens, a lot of things also went wrong for other hominid species. The same applies to thousands upon thousands of other species. Why would an Intelligent Designer produce so many failures? That's just a rhetorical question ;-) A robust theory of nature should be able to describe the conditions that have lead to species success as well as species failure. Evolution and Natural Selection provide that, Intelligent Design doesn't. I realize that Intelligent Design also attempts to explain other natural phenomena (origin and physical laws of the universe for example) but evolution is the most common battle ground so I've limited my comments to that.

Yes this can be a very memorable time for one and all . I have enjoyed this with trusted partners in my personal life and I am very lucky to have a gorgeous model like man to share with the right folks. He is truly hot and I have encouraged to him to go forth in the world and become famous! :biggrin::biggrin: Of course as mentioned I need to know and trust the gentlemen and if that if the case get the fireworks ready!! This is also a case where some notice is necessary! Please let your desires be know and as always Katherine will endeavour to be your fantasy granter!

I come from a religious background but I have to go with Evolution. That said I am not sure there is a need to prove that those who believe in Intelligent Design are wrong. The belief in a higher power has provided people with comfort for eons as people try to find a way to understand what current knowledge can't explain to them as knowledge continues to expand so will their acceptance if evolution. I know that religious radicals have caused much chaos over the years and I am in no way supporting the religious right. I just think there is room in the world for varying opinions and it is not the ones with knowledge on their side who should be trying to limit the expression of opinion even if it us uninformed. Again just my thoughts....

If you are not prepared to handle the answer, .. don't ask the question.

Not only do we have a great number of great ladies in town, but you are right, there are a few dropping in for a visit mid december. You might have noticed many are visiting around the Ottawa Christmas Social. If you drop in at this event, you'll get to meet a good number of wonderful ladies and gents in one single spot!!

Show and tell anybody? Drop by tomorrow and we can play for as long as you want ;) I promise you'll just love what I have to show you ;) I am a tall red head with a model type body that will leave you speechless without a doubt. Sexy longs legs and stunning blue eyes that will leave you breathless. A mind blowing experience that will have you coming back for more time and time again. My services include: full body massage, body slides, reverse massages, showers for 2, and I am very open to couples sessions and catering to the ladies :wink: Come see me today and get your mind blown at Paradise Spa located in the West End. Tomorrow from 9am until 5:30pm Wednesday from 9am until 11pm Thursday from 9am until 4pm Friday from 3:30pm until 11pm Saturday from 9am until 4pm Sunday from 10am until 9pm Call to book some sexy time with me at 613-820-8887 Also, be sure to check out my recommendations: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=156766&highlight=victoriascrt

I run a business from my home and rarely get any alone time......constant communications and interruptions. My secret place is on my bike travelling. No phone (until gas stops) means I can relax. I finally learned this year that solo bike trips do not mean I have to stay at a different family member or friend's house every night. It may cost more, but I stay at motels and hotels...arriving at night and sleeping 'till I wake. Then, and only then, do I contact people for a visit. Before this, trips wore me out. Great thread. Reading this really made me realize how different lonely and alone really are. At times, I choose to be alone, but I do not have to be lonely.

We all started from somewhere and discussing science can certainly become a complicated and interesting topic. Both make sense. I found this interesting article that explains that perhaps they are not so far apart. http://www.onelife.com/evolve/darwin.html I'm not sure what I believe though, science can be hard to dispute, there was a 1.8 million yr old fossil of a cranium found in the Republic of Georgia this month so.. Having very religious family members who always have a sound and reasonable explanation of how and why God does this and that's causes me to question science from time to time so... Perhaps I'll know after I leave this earth. One thing I absolutely believe and will never falter from is that humans are not the be all and end all , but one of many species on this planet. We are no more or less important than any other species and I think many have lost sight of the importance of our eco system as a whole and how the loss of other species will ultimately impact us and instead become believers in exceptionalism which I think is stupid! Great topic!!

I've never been in a MMF, but can see myself doing it as a special treat to a ladyfriend. I wouldn't really be interacting with the other guy, though, just looking to give her the time of her life!

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It's very unfortunate that anyone would make you feel that way :( sorry to hear.

Well I've been involved in this lifestyle for a couple years now, and guess what, I get that nervousness (stomach churning, heart pounding, well you get the idea) each and every time I have an encounter. That's just part of the excitement of seeing a lady. And I get it whether seeing a lady for the first time or a repeat encounter with a lady I have seen four, five, six well you get the idea, times. It is all part of the excitement of seeing a companion, and the day it doesn't happen, then it is time to pack it in Your not alone in being nervous (well excited) But accept it as part of meeting a companion RG

I think a good way to get a feel for if the lady is for real or not (other than recos) is to get to know her a little either through PMs, chat room or texting (if she allows casual communication). I've had extensive chats with several clients to the point of feeling as if I already knew them before meeting. I also found that it heightened the anticipation of meeting for both parties and made the actual encounter much more exciting! :p

After a very busy day of doing everyone else's job, shooting some photos of a new product at work, I'm finally sitting down to a bottle of wine and relaxing on cerb. I don't even have to work out tonight. Life is mediocre. ;.)

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I can't believe how fast this is coming up :) Unlike last time I have my outfit ready. In fact I gave three possibilities. Now I just need to find my mistletoe

I got to visit Katherine recently you are definitely frisky and a lot of fun.

No SP's would avoid a virgin however most would want to have that information up front in original conversations. As much of a cliche it is, everyone remembers their first time and it should be a great experience. For many, it's not. Only you can know if it's hurting your social interactions. Your friend can offer an opinion but you are the only true expert on your life. If you feel waiting is important to you, do it and screw what your friends think. If you feel that you can't relate to women on certain levels or with a certain confidence because you have not ventured into sexual territory, then making a date with an SP is a wonderful way to delve into the unknown. If you do your research and find someone who excites you, she can provide a great experience and show you everything involved in the sexual/sensual side. Be open and honest with yourself and follow your heart. Good luck with whatever you choose to do!

I haven't been with alexia, but Gina gave an excellent massage. Tya and Ana from there are also good.

Surprised no one posted on here. I put a review on the other site but to recap Lexi was terrific. She has worked herself into better shape than her current pics, super hot and sexy. Looks- 10 Service - 10 Attitude - 10 She treated me like gold and savaged me. She had all the right moves and personality to keep the whole hour entertaining and wild. Will repeat.

Hi there everyone, First of all I would like to say thank you for all of your kind words. It is the men like you that make us love what we do as SPs. I do want to clear a couple things up though... 1. I know that it has been said that I offer BBFs. This is not a service that I provide (no exceptions) so please dont ask. I also dont swallow (sorry guys). 2. I definitely apologize if I have ever kept anyone waiting. Being fairly new at this it took me a while to figure out the business aspect including scheduling. I will only see a couple of gentlemen in an incall day so often my excellent clients are made to wait until the next incall. For that I apologize as well. 3. I do feel bad for the fact that I AM fairly hard to get a hold of sometimes. I generally do most of my bookings online as my phone was constantly ringing from morning to night with fake calls and texts. Through emails we can kind of get a feel for one another better than a 2 minute conversation. 4. I have been asked why I dont work on the weekends...I do. I will work any day a gentleman needs me, I just pre-book all weekend sessions. SPs have a very different schedule. We are on call at most times. Pre-booking weekends is just a way to have a social life along with working. I hope I have cleared a few things up. Thanks for taking the time to read my post. And again, to all of you men who love to have a good time while treating a lady right, I applaud you and thank you. And to all of my regular gentlemen a special thank you for helping to make this experience a great one for me I only hope I am returning the favor.

I have a really bad relationship with my biological father. But I always trust myself in the present moment to do what's best for me... so I wouldn't see them as regrets, or as opportunities lost necessarily, but more as doing what's best for us (right now). If later we want to develop a relationship and the opportunity is gone, then we can mourn that (but mourn that at a later date) and not right now... I sometimes look back, but rarely with regret, I trust the me I was 2-3 years ago, and know 'she' did what was best for her too ;) Also, thanks Boomer. Your post was beautiful, and brought an issue to the thread I once again hadn't thought about. So far, I'm really enjoying where the conversation/thread is going.