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The problem isn't that y'all discuss us.. It's the tone used when (some of) you do 🙄 and that's just what we can see publicly, don't get me started on the DMs here Usage on this forum has died down to what it has, and I'm sure you have noticed that providers aren't as active in the lyla community/discussions as they used to be.. Now it's just a boys club here, and the tone has changed as such This used to be a place of respect for sps, and now its losing that vibe for more of an sp411 feel.. How's that forum doing, btw? By all means, share your opinions, but do know that we use these threads for screening as well as you do 😈

This argument alone. Has made me NOT want to ever see Pamela. The constant arguing and insecure need to constantly defend her postion. Which , frankly. I agree with. However, you two have taken it to another level. Its ridiculous. I wouldn't book based on this alone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. You two need to stop the constant back and forth. We get it. Your right. He is wrong... just let it go. You have both said your piece five times over.

Let me put it simply: Let’s say you usually book providers around $300. Then you come across someone who’s your exact type, but she charges $500. If she’s within your budget, you either book her or you don’t, no questions, no debate. That’s her rate. End of story. You might end up having the best experience of your life. Or maybe your favorite provider ends up being someone at $250. That’s how personal preference works, not price tags. But the issue is when people start complaining, dissecting, and comparing groups of women like we’re two different models of fleshlight. That’s not curiosity, that’s dehumanizing. We’re not toys. We’re human beings. You either book or move on. It really is that simple. If you don’t want to “risk” spending more on someone at a higher rate, then don’t. No one’s forcing you. But someone else is booking her, and they’re not turning it into a debate.

I've personally given reviews and as a Gen Xer it's always been an uncomfortable thing for me to do.......so I try to keep it simple and not get too personal. The only review I look for before seeing an SP for the first time is "is she real?"......"does she lie about services?"...."is that her in the pics?" ...everything else is chemistry and often times a client's dissatisfaction can be traced back to the client himself. The term "worth it"....admittedly hits hard for me too. I have been with SP's who were very highly regarded and the experience was meh.....my ego isn't that great that I can't accept that I'm part of the reason the experience was less than perfect. My favorite SP is rarely reco'ed and I have seen her on the "scams" thread?...I assure you she's not a scam.....but someone had a less than favorable encounter with her and knowing her as I do, I know who the unfavorable person likely was.... Can you imagine if we came across a site where SP's judge their clients? Let's keep in mind that these are all wonderful ladies doing wonderful work......there are SP's I have chosen never to return to.......but having any type of intimacy with a beautiful lady is always worth it! Just my .02 cents

Pretty sad display from some people here. Pamela is such an amazing person, who deserves respect. I for one will always support a strong woman like her. The need for some people to have the final word is pathetic and I’m sure she’s happy that she’s scared you off from booking her in the future

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Hey everyone, Really appreciate the perspectives shared in this thread — it’s obvious people care, and that’s a good thing. Let’s be real: yes, this is a human-to-human interaction, but it’s still a service. And whether we like it or not, if a client doesn’t perceive value in what’s being offered — whether it’s price, experience, or connection — then the product naturally becomes less desirable to them. That’s not a judgment of anyone’s worth — it’s just how markets work, in any industry. At the same time, providers are absolutely entitled to set their own rates, define their value, and work on their own terms. They don’t owe anyone an explanation. Just like clients get to decide what suits their needs and budget, providers get to choose what aligns with theirs. No one’s wrong for asking questions, and no one’s wrong for setting boundaries. So yeah — this isn’t about objectifying or moralizing. It’s about choice. Clients choose what they’re comfortable paying for. Providers choose how they want to operate.

But we're not selling leggings that won't rip.. We're not out here touting our technical fabrics lmao We're selling personalized experiences, with more variables than if someone selected the right fit of leggings for their size/body type. 👀 You can show up with terrible hygiene to buy leggings and still be served a fabulous pair of leggings lol Not so much with sp experiences though

No one’s forcing you to read or comment, yet here you are, again. Funny how you say I’m missing the point, when the entire thread was about questioning whether a woman is ‘worth it’ if she charges more or calls herself elite. That’s what I addressed. Y’all are the ones who made it about me. If you want to stay on topic, great, do that. But stop projecting and trying to shift the narrative just because I won’t let the disrespect slide. And let’s be clear, I’m not here to change anyone’s mind. I already know some of you won’t get it. I’m here to help you expose yourselves. This thread has over 8,000 views and a lot of them are from providers. Trust me, I’m not wasting my time, I’m doing this community a favor. So please, continue. You’re doing a fantastic job of showing everyone exactly what kind of men we’re dealing with.

Totally agree. A provider who is worth seeing and is highly sought after doesn't have the time nor the inclination to be here bickering with people.

That's totally fine! If a woman standing her ground and supporting women with respect offends you, then I'm clearly not for you. And gladly, if other hobbyists on here can’t handle that either, I’m not for them, too. But do remember, many real men love a woman with a backbone and care for her community. If you think a woman calmly defending her position is 'arguing,' maybe it’s time to ask why my tone bothers you more than the disrespect I’m responding to. I speak up not to please everyone, but because I care. If that makes me ‘too vocal’ for some, I’m okay with that. Swer forums need to set the bar for respect higher, and I’ll always be on the side that pushes it upward. Funny how degrading women gets a pass around here… but the moment one stands up for herself, that’s what people find offensive. Priorities say a lot.

There’s clearly passion behind your words, and I respect that. That said, I think it’s worth highlighting a bit of a contradiction in your stance. On the one hand, you say clients should “book within their means and respect our autonomy,” and that no one should question a provider’s worth. Totally fair. Autonomy and boundaries go both ways. But in the same breath, you argue that clients who choose differently — particularly those seeking more budget-aligned services — are “dehumanizing” women by even comparing options. That seems like a double standard. You’re defending a provider’s right to set her price (as you should), but dismissing a client’s right to assess value — even if he does so respectfully and does his homework. Isn’t that also a form of autonomy? You also call out the risk of “objectifying,” yet imply that women charging less are somehow dragging down the others. That frames lower-cost providers as threats rather than fellow professionals making strategic decisions that suit their goals. Feels like we can’t talk about rates without walking into a moral minefield — and that’s the inconsistency. Ultimately, we should call out disrespect, but not every value-based decision is disrespectful. Sometimes it’s just economics — not a judgment on a person’s worth. Anyway, I appreciate the dialogue. These conversations aren’t always comfortable, but they are necessary if we want transparency and mutual respect in a space that often lacks both.

As per usual , the common theme of this thread is " missing the piont " . That logic is obviously to complicated for you to understand. Personally , your backbone and opinion matters not to me. There is sticking up for yourself. And then there is trying to beat it to death with words. I told you. I agreed with your piont of view. Your obsession with having to convince someone that you cannot. And will never change there piont of view is inherently a waste of time. The meaning of insanity comes to mind. I for one , won't bother to respond to any other posts you make on this subject . As this matter is of little importance to me. I will leave it up to the sycophants and beta's to help convince him.

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You're still contradicting yourself, you’re literally asking, “Why pay the elite rate instead of the regular rate?” That’s the woman’s choice. No one is being shackled or forced into a category. She decides what to charge, and that’s it. What you’re implying is: why pay more if you can get the same for less? And yes, that is dehumanizing. These are not factory-line products. Each woman has her own energy, her own personality, her own preferences. You’re not going to have chemistry with every single person, and you’re certainly not going to get the same experience with every provider, even if they offer a similar service label. Two providers may both offer GFE, but one might be soft-spoken and nurturing, while another is bold and flirty. That difference alone can completely change the experience, because the service is rendered by a human being, not a template. And no, you're not experiencing the service “through the eyes of hobbyists.” You’re experiencing your own booking, with your own expectations, preferences, and connection. Asking hobbyists if someone is “worth it” based on a label makes zero sense, because chemistry, connection, and enjoyment are all subjective. You want to know if she is worth it to you? Book her. That’s how this works. You asked, “Why are they classified into two categories?” again, that’s their choice. Some ladies charge more because they want exclusivity, fewer clients, and longer dates. Others may charge less and prefer shorter dates or more volume. Both are valid. That’s a business model, not a value judgment. Same with agencies, some women prefer to manage everything themselves, others would rather let someone else handle screening, marketing, and logistics so they can focus on their clients. It’s a personal business decision. And finally, stop crying about your “right to ask questions.” You do have that right. And I have every right to challenge what you're saying if I believe it's rooted in a problematic mindset. You don’t get to post on a public forum and then get upset when someone disagrees with you. That’s how discussions work. I don’t need to work for an agency to have an opinion when men start talking about whether women who charge more are “worth it.” You either book her, experience what she offers, and leave a review, or don’t book and move on. But constantly questioning why someone charges more, or calling the “elite” label into doubt like it’s a scam, is not curiosity, it’s entitlement. If it’s not for you, move on. Simple.

This is exactly why discussing rates never used to be permitted here But alas.. There are no rules to this forum anymore 🙄

I agree, level-headed conversations are rare. I feel like I'm pushing my luck with my unsolicited and rarely sought after opinion on this topic 😀. I think we’re still circling around a core tension here. You say you’ve never implied clients who choose based on budget are being disrespectful — but the line gets blurry when we consider your stance on how questions about pricing are received. To be blunt: you’ve drawn a pretty hard line between asking “why does she charge more?” and “is she worth it?”, but in practice, those questions often stem from the same place, someone trying to understand value, not necessarily to diminish it. Let’s be real, every market involves some level of comparison, and while I agree no one is entitled to nitpick a provider they don’t plan to book, the fact that pricing exists at all means people will assess it. That’s not objectification. That’s literally how decisions get made in any business — especially one where the experience is personal, varied, and subjective. You emphasize that providers aren’t blow-up dolls,100% agreed, but suggesting that discussing value at all somehow equates to dehumanization feels like a leap. Intent matters. Tone matters. Blanket framing all public dialogue about pricing as disrespectful just reinforces the idea that some topics are off-limits, even when approached respectfully. That’s not protecting autonomy — that’s policing perspective. No one’s saying a provider owes an explanation for her rates. But if she’s in a public space marketing a premium service, some curiosity is natural — even expected. Shutting that down entirely doesn’t elevate the conversation, it just suppresses nuance. At the end of the day, autonomy cuts both ways. You’re absolutely right, her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries. No argument there. But the same courtesy should extend to those asking questions in good faith. Dismissing every value-based conversation as “Amazon-level objectification” erases that good faith and ironically becomes its own kind of reduction. Appreciate the exchange and will leave you to your thoughts on this topic. Kind regards.

First of all, I appreciate your ability to communicate respectfully without getting emotional, that’s rare and valuable in these discussions. That said, I want to clarify something: I never said that clients who book within their budget are dehumanizing, nor did I say that providers who charge less are “dragging down” others. What I have said, and I’ve repeated this multiple times now, is that asking whether providers who charge more are “worth it” is disrespectful and dehumanizing. That specific framing reduces a human being to a price tag and treats her work, boundaries, and self-worth as something for strangers to publicly dissect. That’s the issue. I’ve also acknowledged, repeatedly, that two providers at different price points may offer the same type of service on paper, but they are still different people. And because we are not robots or blowup dolls, the experience will be different. Our rates are based on many things beyond just the act itself, it's energy, time, boundaries, style, lifestyle, demand, and personal comfort. I fully support every provider’s right to charge what aligns with her goals, whether that’s a lower or higher rate. And yes, every client also has the autonomy to choose services within their budget. But what they don’t have is the right to pick apart women they’re not even planning to book, just because those women don’t fit their budget. You said it “feels like we can’t talk about rates.” Well… that’s kind of the point. Rates are personal and business decisions made by each provider for herself. It’s not open for public debate or cost-benefit analysis, especially by those who were never going to book her anyway. It’s her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries... her. If someone doesn’t understand that or thinks he’s entitled to question her pricing like he’s shopping on Amazon, then that’s not a respectful discussion about value, that’s objectification, plain and simple. If a client can’t afford a higher rate or doesn’t personally see the value, he is always free to book within his budget. But that should never turn into a debate about the worth of women who were never on his radar to begin with, because someone else is booking her. And respecting that is the bare minimum.

It's times like this that I really miss Lydia and her forum administration. This is not the place it was a couple of years ago where a core group from both sides would come here to not only ensure everyone's safety, but also have a bit of fun and enjoyment.

while i agree that woman are absolutely allowed to charge whatever they want.. heres my take... If i go to the mall and someones selling clothing and the sign reads "the best pair on earth, will not tear when you bend over, ultra comfortable, perfect fit" but they cost twice as much . You purchase them and they are not comfortable at all, rip the first time you wear them and are not true to the size labelled. Are we just suppose to accept that Hey someone poured there life savings into designing those pants, who are you to say they arent any good. My point being.... While i agree that women should be able to set there own prices and restrictions and worth , there is definitely a problem with fake advertising. How many times do i have to meet someone new that claims to offer GFE and charges high end prices and then i show up to someone who looks nothing like the pictures and delivers a terrible service . Theres nothing wrong with sharing our opinions on this forum with how an experience went . Any provider whos doing there clients right wouldnt have an issue with that

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Your arguments are both futile. Do either of you think that you're changing anyone's opinion here? News flash! The answer is no. The most precious resource anyone in this universe has is time. And you've both wasted not only your own, but all of ours. Move. On.

How about you leave since you can't follow the thread. I am on topic.

Put it in another thread then! This thread started out as a YFL discussion until you decided to make it about yourself. No one wants to read it and I bet they haven't read it. I read about one paragraph at the start and skipped through the rest.

As if I was supposed to stay quiet while someone makes a whole thread questioning whether a woman is “worth it” because she charges more or calls herself elite? She could call herself a goddess, a queen, a unicorn, and charge $100K if she wants. Who TF are we to tell her she’s not “worth” that? It’s her body. Her time. Her brand. Her rules. No one’s forcing anyone to book her. But the moment you start publicly debating if her rate is “justified” just because you personally wouldn’t pay it, that’s not a discussion. That’s entitlement, ego, and internalized misogyny. This isn’t about arguing. This is about defending the basic right every woman has to set her value without being picked apart like she’s on sale. If that makes some of you uncomfortable, good. That means it needed to be said.

I will never be told to stay quiet when it comes to respect for women in this industry. I will always speak up when someone degrades us, because our safety, dignity, and autonomy are non-negotiable. This isn’t about “arguing.” This is about calling out behavior that puts women down and encourages others to do the same. If that makes people uncomfortable, good. It means the conversation is needed. Open your eyes to the bigger picture.

Can you two please stop arguing. It's unseemly

You’ve now shifted the conversation from rates and value to tax IDs and terminology. Not because you’re making a point, but because you’re grasping for control after your own words betrayed your mindset. For the record, “service model” vs. “business model” is a distinction without a difference in this context. Anything that involves compensation for time, energy, and skill is a business, whether independent or agency-supported. Sex work doesn’t lose legitimacy because it’s often labeled as a “service.” It still involves boundaries, strategy, marketing, client relations, and yes, business decisions. But none of this sidesteps what’s been at the center of this the entire time. You exposed how you truly view providers. Reduced a human being to a transactional product, and everything since then has been an attempt to backpedal and reframe. You’re not asking for clarity. You’re dodging accountability. You don’t need a GST number to respect someone’s boundaries. And you certainly don’t need to redefine vocabulary to justify a post that, at its core, questioned whether women are “worth it” for charging more. Each response you’ve posted has only confirmed what was obvious from the start.

Hello everyone, Just to clarify: all of the ladies make their own decisions regarding their donations and where they choose to tour. As booking assistants, we can offer guidance based on our experience and knowledge, but ultimately, the final choices are entirely theirs. For those in the Maritimes—just a heads-up—it's become quite rare to find anyone offering rates below $300 in the rest of Canada, even in cities like Montreal. The typical range in most other provinces now tends to be between $350 and $550. Of course, there are different types of providers, and while all the ladies are beautiful, it's up to each companion to decide what "elite" means to them. That said, we encourage respect and avoid judging whether someone is "worth" a certain rate. We might even take out the term elite and just keep the donation set on each page. As for Halifax touring: yes, it's become more challenging for many ladies to visit Halifax due to the high cost of flights and increasingly expensive hotels. New Brunswick is accessible by car and has more affordable accommodations. If anyone in Halifax has suggestions—such as reasonably priced hotels or short-term rentals—or is willing to contribute toward expenses to help bring a particular provider to the area, please don’t hesitate to reach out. Every bit helps and is truly appreciated 😊 Thanks for your understanding and continued support!

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This isn’t Walmart. The customer isn’t always right. Obviously it’s a business, anything generating revenue and paying taxes operates under a business model. That doesn’t mean you get to treat people like products or assume every experience should be “worth it” by your standards. Common sense really isn’t that common, clearly.

I’ve already explained it clearly. I’m not going to repeat myself for the fourth time. Stop saying I’m putting words in your mouth when everyone here can literally read what you wrote. That tactic doesn’t work. At this point, it’s not a lack of explanation, it’s a lack of understanding. I can explain it to you, but I can’t make you understand it. And I’m not going to waste more energy trying. You’ve told on yourself, and that’s on you for exposing yourself publicly. “I’m paying for a service, not you” tells me everything I need to know. That one sentence proves exactly the point I’ve been making this entire time. You don’t see the provider as a person offering an experience. You see her as a product you pay for, which is exactly why your question came across as dehumanizing from the start. You can say you “respect women’s choices” all you want, but the language you keep using contradicts that completely.

You're contradicting yourself. You literally asked if it’s “worth it” to book an elite provider when “all YFL girls are equally beautiful and offer the same service.” That is questioning a woman's worth, whether you want to admit it or not. I didn’t redirect the topic, I quoted your own words. Just because these women work under the same agency doesn’t mean they’re clones. They’re all human, each with their own personality, energy, boundaries, and vibe. By questioning the idea that they’re unique, you're basically telling on yourself, you’re viewing them as interchangeable objects instead of individuals. You need to realize it’s a personal choice how someone advertises herself, her photos, her rates, her availability, and how she defines her experience. No one owes you a breakdown or justification. Rates are based on what she feels her time, energy, and presence are worth, not what you think they “should” be based on other women in the same agency. The only way to know if it’s “worth it” to you is to book and experience what she uniquely offers. As a client, you're not just paying for a standard service, you’re paying for an experience with a real human being. If it’s not in your budget, that’s totally fine, but move on respectfully without reducing women to categories and price points to make sense of what you don’t understand.

Questioning the worth of a woman because you believe they're "all equally beautiful and offer the same standard GFE service" is exactly the issue here. You’re not booking a copy-paste product. you're engaging with a real human being who shares her time, energy, and intimacy with you. A provider’s rate reflects far more than appearance or a service label, it includes her boundaries, experience, emotional labor, safety, and how she chooses to value herself. Every woman is unique, even if you think the service is "the same." That mindset is disrespectful and dehumanizing. Respect the individuality and autonomy of every provider

I actually have an entire thread already posted that explains how to properly screen a provider before booking her. Nowhere have I said to blindly book someone whose ad seems too good to be true. At some point, clients need to take responsibility for their own choices and safety. I’ve also said I’m not against reviews, as long as they’re done tastefully, respectfully, and not written like porn scripts. Some providers prefer a no-review policy, and that should be respected too. But there are plenty of ways to screen someone before seeing them. Here’s the link: https://www.lyla.ch/topic/214084-how-to-screen-an-indépendant/ The issue I raised is not about reviews. It’s about the disrespect of asking whether a woman is "worth it" just because she charges more or calls herself elite. This thread wasn’t a review of one person. It was a collective complaint targeting women who charge higher rates, an entire group of professionals being questioned for valuing themselves. As I said before: if you want to know if someone is "worth it," book her. Then leave a classy, respectful review. But dragging women publicly because their rates don’t match your expectations? That’s not feedback, it’s entitlement.