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I'm going to regret posting I'm sure... It's not only a power play. You are undermining and underestimating how at risk providers are. Again as stated multiple times if you don't want to do it then don't. Asking for ID tends to make people behave better then when they are anonymous. Having someone's ID also means if there is an issue like assault the provider has the clients real info to take to the police instead of "well he told me his name was X but it's probably fake." Those are two pretty understandable reasons. Now I would hope that an SP would delete your ID and not keep a record of it after you see them and all goes well but I don't know and assume most probably keep it for some time at least. You have to decide if that is worth the risk when you go to book. And to the original topic I think it's fine to ask for verification for lesser known providers who only post on LL. The providers with websites, reviews, active social media, etc you shouldn't ask because you can verify yourself through those channels.

Sure but let's say I send a fake ID to a provider. Scenario 1: I just used someone else's ID. Either someone I know or a random ID I found on the internet. I arrive at incall and they look through the peep hole and I'm a different person so I get refused service. Or they come to outcall and I open the door and am nothing like the ID and they refuse service. Scenario 2: I have a good fake with my picture but fake info. I assault the provider. They report me to the police who will run the ID but it comes back fake. They run my picture and find my real ID. I'm arrested. Scenario 3: an ID I found online but the pic looks close enough to me that I get away with it. I guess you get away with it and get someone else in a lot of trouble potentially. But honestly in this case I feel like the client would just go for an easier target unless they had already done all the work to find a doppleganger ID. Asking for ID is for their safety as it will likely stop most of the creeps and guys who mean to harm the provider because it would just take a lot more work to get through the screening. Now the conversation about keeping the ID is totally different and I'm sure different providers have different policies for that. Again I would hope they would delete the data after the session but I'm sure not all of them do. But what are they really going to get with an ID? Sure they could sell it but to who? They don't have your SIN. I've emailed copies of my ID for other things and email isn't secure. When you buy a car they copy your ID. People lose ID's all the time and just get replacements so I doubt there's a super lucrative business out there for providers selling pictures of ID's.

Well...I just got caught up on this thread over more than one cup of coffee...and while I'm sure I'll regret commenting at all, I am confident "over-thinking" is not the issue here...quite the opposite seemingly. The only "fear mongering" I recall reading above is coming from a client, who depsite claiming to have given out his ID more than once, has not done so in a manner that would prevent the use of a fake/alternate ID, which is easily achievable, as those who have followed a SW'ers suggested screening processes are well aware. With very few exceptions, I "only" seek to spend time with obviously legitimate pro's who desire screening, for my own security & peace of mind, as much as theirs...the words "obviously legitimate" being paramount here. I'm on board with @TommyRuss who said it best so far..."Can confirm those of us who follow the required booking process are treated to an amazing time!" This. All. Day. The choice, & "power" is in fact, in my hands...screen as requested, and reap the rewards...or don't, and walk away...🤷‍♂️ Adding my two cents...the dead horse isn't much more than a stain on the highway at this point...

Can confirm those of us who follow the required booking process are treated to an amazing time!

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Youre just insulting, at this point Most established sps (with pro photos) HAVE indeed done this 🙄

•Even now, I'd say over 90% don't do screenings? -"90% don’t screen?" Then book them. You have options, so there’s no need to argue with those who do. •I was just asking "sooooo how exactly does it make you safer?" Or it doesn't ?..... and it's just a habit for your peace of mind? -We've explained it. You won't understand. The specific logistics aren’t your business. •If you admit you're still at risk, then aren't you exposing yourself to that double-satndard? Choosing to punish the innocent for the crimes of the crappy scumbags that intend to so you harm? -No. Good clients don’t feel punished, they get to spend time with us. they screen, book, and move forward. The only ones who feel punished are the ones trying to bypass screening, and they were never our clients to begin with.

The ignorance it funny at this point. You're getting these stats from where? Personal experience? Because clearly you're not getting this from actual sex workers. We don’t care about ‘potential.’ We care about who books properly. True gentlemen read, screen, and send a deposit. The rest can move along. At the end of the day, we set the rules. Whoever YOU consider a ‘good client’ isn’t necessarily a good client for someone who screens. As for ‘losing money,’ don’t worry about our wallets, we’re booked. Screening isn’t about punishing good clients. And let’s be clear: the most high-profile clients we see, CEOs, politicians, athletes, etc. have far more to lose than most, and they screen without hesitation. If they can respect the process, so can anyone else. The only men who object are the ones trying to bypass screening, and that isn’t entitlement we reward.

How is this a double standard? We literally expose ourselves online every single day to prove legitimacy. Ads are verified, socials are linked, we post many photos, we collaborate with others. Our reputations are public and constantly scrutinized. You, on the other hand, are hiding behind a random phone number and nothing else. You call it ‘fear mongering,’ but the truth is we are targeted. Escorts have been stalked, assaulted, and murdered by clients. That’s not overthinking, that’s fact. You asking me to just hand out selfies, my hotel room number, or my ID is reckless. I risk losing my safety, or worse. Those are not the same stakes. And please stop comparing this to hiring a deck builder. No deck builder is meeting strangers behind closed doors in a stigmatized industry with their body on the line. Screening is not a power play. It’s a survival tool. So yes, we screen. If that makes you uncomfortable, this hobby isn’t for you. White male privilege is assuming you can dismiss women’s safety because it doesn’t affect you personally.

I certainly didn't jump down anyone's throat. I simply posited that there are many SP's that have lots of reviews, social media presence, and have clear instructions on how to go about setting up a date. The onus is on YOU the buyer to do your due diligence. If that means that YOU want to ask for verification, so be it. At the same time, the SP can refuse to abide by that request, as has been so forcefully demonstrated in this thread. You are not wrong about the power dynamic. You may not like it, but the SP has total control of the service you are trying to secure. You may not agree with conditions they set for acquiring their services, but guess what, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. You suggest an ever escalating series of hoops that clients have to jump through to secure an SP's services. You know when that will cease? When assholes stop questioning why these ladies have to do what they do. This must be the only industry where customers think they can go to market and try to tell the seller how to conduct their business, and simultaneously yell at them about the way they conduct their business.

You're actually trying to compare the dynamics of maybe clients taking advantage of new sps naivety, to established providers who accept prepayment? Because I don't know of anyone demanding full payment up front from strangers who haven't no showed 👀 It's not the same at all, and you know this You could just choose not to book those providers lol idk why this is so hard for you to understand

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I mean.. We don't have to ask for money up front lol Many great clients love to prepay, and you never hear of us stealing their prepayments 👀 You're trying to pull a power play in a place where the providers are mostly verified This rant might be more suited for the craigslist crowd

No one is trying to change your mind robert. Stay with your fear and leolist scam ads, we don't care... Point is. As a client it's your job to do proper research before booking. And legitimate swers have a screening process. The end. Simple as that.

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Sooooo Fake!! Don't even consider it.

Been there my friend. Happens to the best of us.

Has to be fake. Telegram is a dead give away. Also mentions full service without a cover. Even if she's real but she offers that it would be a hard pass for me. But yeah. Fake.

Just don't book with anyone! So you don't have to worry about what anyone does with your information, problem solved🤷‍♀️🙄

So stay paranoid. You're not our clientèle anyway. Stay scared. We ain't here to change your mind. I'd be more scared booking someone with no screening. But hey, some people don't mind finding cops or theives in real life behind the door...

Uhhh… yeah, that’s the whole point. Even with screening, we are still at risk, but obviously we’re going to do our best to protect ourselves. So your alternative is what? Just agree to meet anyone with a fake number, no deposit, no screening? Okay… So who’s coming to see me then? How many actually show up? How many send threats or waste my time? ‘No face, no case’.

Try asking for that, like some people ask for the HE at a random registered massage therapist, and find out, and report back 😈

Clearly because we're not supposed to let you peek behind the magic curtain, but at risk of spoiling the fantasy, we have reasons for our methods and I shouldn't have had to spell it out for you 🙄 I already told you that people stalk us, but the spammy behaviour made you finally get the picture? Ugh It actually weeds out more bs than you'd think With every restriction that you think is silly, there is a clear reason why it's been accepted as standard by independent sps. I used to book fake names and no phone numbers, but they couldn't all be trusted and it ruined it for everyone. Statistically, people just fuck around less if you know who they are irl. That's well studied and documented across many situations, not just sw. In our situation, fucking around risks our health, security, and safety, so we just can't tolerate that

We do not agree I'm not building you a deck. Or sucking your dick, for that matter No matter how you twist my words 😂 Thank youuuu, screening 🙏

It's not 99% though, or we wouldn't need to screen 🙄 Le sigh

The hoops were the same til someeee people decided they could just make 9272 new email addresses /phone numbers/new identities and do unsavory shit The ID verification became necessary because someeee people couldn't be trusted,. And while we can also get blackmailed etc like you, we also risk death, soooo It's not like this isn't well documented with a simple Google search. Some sps now require IDs And people try to mess with that, so yeah, maybe more changes have to come in the future lol that's your choice though Spread that around maybe, if you don't like how things are/where they might go?

While still expecting us to want to show up and smile and suck their dick 😂 Like I love what I do but I wouldn't work any job under such conditions

Most men who are engaging in this behavior are woefully paranoid. If you're worried about being blackmailed maybe you shouldn't engage in dubious activities to begin with. The simple fact is that these ladies are already at a disadvantage. It is in your interest to make them feel comfortable and safe. If jumping through a few hoops isn't for you, then maybe this hobby isn't for you either. There are plenty of ways to verify if an SP is real on your own without even asking.

There's so many amazing gentlemen out there who screen and follow our booking process without questions. They read out ads and websites and do proper research, they never been scammed. They treat us good and have an amazing time during the date. Why waste our time with the one's who give us headache with just booking lol...

Why argue with Sp's, you ask? Its a power play, and always has been I started out new and naive, and jumped through the hoops, so I can attest that the ones who requested the most of me, usually don't book, or are extremely demanding clients because they think we don't know what's unsavory behaviour yet. I did do the ridiculous plz pick me verify pics with the dates, or two fingers up, and all it did was waste my time, gain me stalkers or issues, and have more people asking for more pics because some people here like to gossip about us behind the scenes and now everyone knew that I fell for the pic collecting scam 😂 I even sent face pics.. It's been more than a decade - that was clearly unnecessary It was about power, and seeing how how we'll allow our boundaries to be pushed, before meeting, if they ever even booked. This is why this behaviour will always be met with offense from the veteran sps here. We know where this goes and no ty

We're actually looking for an assurance that you won't try to stalk, assault, or try to kill us. Most of us have experienced somethinggg that's made us need to add more screening protocols 🙄 It's not just because it's just great for business to reduce accessibility to us lmao Studies for decades have shown that this simple thing saves lives But go on, booking randos from LL who don't know to screen yet, and preaching on here like the risks with those sps are the norm among the entire industry You can control your blackmail risks by not seeing unverified providers with no established online presence. Just like we control ours by not putting ourselves in (literally THE MOST) vulnerable positions with unscreened men. AND if I hear one more thing about that oneeee provider who was scammy 🙄😂 Most of us sps have had more than one absolutely horrible experience as well. Y'all know not to book her, the same way we've learned how to screen out some of the bs that we don't want to deal with Beating a dead horse here, to the same 5 people every time

Service providers get assaulted and murdered everyday. All it takes is a quick Google search and you’ll see this happens here in Canada, the US, and globally. This is very much a real fear for us and I wouldn’t doubt almost every woman who’s posted here on Lyla, if not all, has been harmed, stalked, or assaulted by a client in some way. Don’t bother arguing with me on this forum, you aren’t changing my mind. I’m speaking from lived experience. What’s low, is denying that this is the reality of participating in this industry.

we need copies of your drivers license and to know exactly who you are because as a female it is extremely dangerous to be meeting random men online there are many stories of SP’s LITERALLY getting murdered. it’s way more dangerous for us than it is for you which is why we need much verification. You may risk getting scammed out of your money when in reality we are literally risking our lives. I’ve gotten assaulted many times which is why i don’t do outcalls anhmore and if i did i would need extensive verification to know exactly who im seeing. Even bringing them to my location i need verification. It’s scary out here as a female and the fact you’re so inconsiderate of that just shows what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

To be fair, more and more SP's are verifying themselves with social media, OF, Twitter accounts etc. the majority of the ladies I've seen recently all have "verified" using other apps etc. I haven't been disappointed in a long time by any bait and switch scams.

Well, I wouldn't say unpopular, but not everyone shares this view. I happen to fully agree with you. SPs take risks with strangers we can't fully comprehend. If they choose not to verify themselves for legitimate or less savoury reasons, or require a deposit and that doesn't jive with someone's preference then those folks should move on to someone more accommodating or more easily verifiable through other means. There are lovely verifiable women throughout this board, and many visiting beauties who rock our worlds...all we need to do is respect their person, their wishes and their boundaries.

It's not "wrong" to ask, but in reality, the question should be "why" are you asking? It's been discussed at length I know, but I can't seem to help myself from repeating this. With only one possible exception that I've read about in the past 5 or so years, this typically only happens when you're trying to save pennies on that scandolous "LeoList witch-hunt"...and once you've been scammed/blackmailed, you haven't saved a thing... The companions with active Twitter/X accts. & legit websites/reviews are not scamming people for deposits. They are, as has been oft repeated, simply looking to confirm your name, for nothing more than their own safety. There's a lot of people out there, having a lot of fun, because verifying an established SW'er is not a challenge at all, and they don't shy away from paying a deposit... Why argue with anyone for verification when there are so many established (& "verified") companions around? Many local, and seemingly even more visiting in a fairly steady stream... Just my unpopular opinion...

Look up at what started this convo: Is it wrong to ask a SP for verification? The reaction from SPs taking offence to this was what raised some concerns. And apologies for dragging this out, but see how much it took to kinda get you both to see how very sus it can be to hear that 'yes, it's mostly a power play'. And saying "just accept it, this is what we have learned that needs toto get done to make this happen!" doesn't really fill us with much confidence that this process won't be used against us --not all SPs have big fancy websites and not all of us are CEOs and politicians -- whether its high class/upper class clients or down to the lower/middle class - it's an act of power and control on your part, and that's fine, but to beat around the bush and pretend it's otherwise is disingenuous.

Huh? Insulting? that's just stating facts, just look at all the ads out there, all I'm saying is 'good for her', for real, to put in that time and energy and commitment, obviously. But don't live in a bubble and think ALL SPs have done ALL the same tremendous amount of work for self-promoting -- do you not see and look at the slew of ads out there? They're not all 5-star, professional photo sessions and fancy fill-out forms. At the end of the day it's been made clear "it's none of our business what you do with our real identities and personal info, but to trust you all that it's purely for personal safety reasons" That's a more honest answer than the BS stated before, because as we proved, it made no sense, holding our info for possible ransom out of contempt for the small percentage of creeps out there that have done you wrong before -- why? because it's a nasty way for us go about this.

"We've explained it. You won't understand. The specific logistics aren’t your business." Interesting, now we're getting somewhere, as mentioned by Manda earlier, some sort of "this is our business and our secret to keep" Hey all good to just say something like 'we have our ways, and we don't want to reveal why we do this because it does keep us safe' hahah I've given up my ID several times, but THIS answer of yours actually makes more sense, 'just accept it, this his how it is, it makes us feel safe, that's it, this is the process, there's no rhyme or reason, at least none that concern you' Well, at least that's better than no answer at all. "No. Good clients don’t feel punished, they get to spend time with us. they screen, book, and move forward. " That seems to suggest you DO reward those who accept screening without question. Don't you see how underhanded that could sound to some? So you now hold al the cards, you hold them by the balls, you can DESTROY their lives with ease now that YOU know THEIR identity, can go online and absolutely eviscerate them.... so are you saying this is a bit of a control thing, like the hobbyest is now meant to be remotely dominated and a cuck now that you hold their fate in their hands? That's the kink, even before any action happens? What's stoping any SP from asking for this info then just cancelling and just collecting a small downpayment, the person's ID that you can then find out everything about them online and use that to take advantage of them? Not saying you or anyone has or are, but just curious.... what is stopping you?

And yes, this is the only industry that has the person buying the services being put through this screening process like there's no tomorrow. It's backwards, but at least we can agree it's more of a powerplay, and far less of a "for our safety" excuse. Because other than the threat of giving out my ID to others, it does nothing to prevent the horrible acts mentioned earlier. Like first the analogy I stated, I just wanted to get the guy to build me my deck, why all these credit checks and proof of insurance? hahaha -- being paranoid of all these creeps and low lifes and violent people is giving the other 99% a bad reputation?