Kubrickfan

Amen. If the "average" bully, or someone who goes along with the bullying, would ever spend a day walking in the shoes of someone who is bullied, I think a lot of attitudes would change quickly.

Welcome and have fun!

You guys must be going crazy with no hockey!

Dude, there's nothing on the planet earth more personal and important than deciding to bring a kid into this world. You spent the first three pages of this post trying to sound intelligent trying to dissect and dismiss other members arguments ... Many of which were, in my opinion, and with respect to all my friends here, overly polite and diplomatic given the importance of the subject matter. Talking about your "endeavor," etc... Good grief. Nobody is forcing you to do this, and you're no white knight. If you think the solution is to ask the mods to cut off the discussion that you started ... so that you can run away from the hard questions of what it means to be a parent ... which are really the only questions, that is your right.

I'm beginning to think this is some kinda of really bad joke. You are doing a really great job of showing this board what a selfish decision you're making, so I probably wouldn't haven't said any more except for your reference to not being concerned about "random kids." I have had the honor of working with these "random kids" on a regular basis, in addition to my own family, and its the greatest experience of my life. And it has nothing to do with your bold decision to squirt some semen into a test tube (if that's what you are really going to do ... you added that convenient fact late) and then throw some money on the table. And as to your persistent references to your money, I have had the good fortune of meeting some of the guys here on cerb, and the other board, and I can guarantee you there are a lot of guys that hobby here that have a helluva lot more money than you but don't feel a need to come on here and talk about it. My experience is the more someone talks about money, the less they have. That doesn't impress me at all. And think about this ... When that kid wakes up at night scared and crying and cant be consoled because his mom is too exhausted to get out of bed for the 4th time after working all day, or that kid wonders why the other kids have dads, or doesn't have a dad to teach them to play catch or ride a bike, I'm sure that kid ... who had nothing to do with with this stupid, selfish decision ... will feel really great knowing that his absent, self-absorbed dad dropped some money in the bank for him.

I find that, for the ladies, vigorous chest rubs work the best. :) Seriously, the zinc remedies here in the states work well ... stuff like Cold-eeze lozenges and Zicam are pretty popular for basic virus-based colds.

Backrubman -- Well, I give you credit for being so open about the topic, and seeking opinions, but that's about it. What I'm reading here sounds like young lady --- who probably doesn't know any better despite being smart --- who thinks (at least right now ... who knows about tomorrow) she wants to have a baby as a single mother and a guy, with his own family commitments, and who should know better, happy to facilitate that. YOU should be focusing ALL your energies on convincing her not to do that until she finds the right person to do it with, period. You should be thinking of your own wife, of what you could end up putting her through, and -- most important of all -- you should be thinking about what you are setting that kid up for. God bless all the single moms and single parents out there as I have no clue how they do it, but the overwhelming majority have no choice. And you are hearing that from the other ladies on this board. I'm not hearing anything about love, about starting a family based on love, about helping out on a regular basis when times get tough, when the child is ill, or up all night, or with schoolwork, or when he/she has trouble with friends, something goes wrong, etc... Etc., etc., etc. I could go on for an hour. What I AM hearing is an overly clinical analysis that has nothing whatsoever to do with bringing a child into this world. And ... meaning no disrespect ... I'm not buying for a minute the fundamental premise that, "geez, unless I have sex with her until she gets pregnant, someone else not as great as me will just do it." That's a lot of baloney and its the basis for your whole rationale. If you participate in this, you are sentencing a kid to proabably never having a father that he/she knows, that participate in their lives as a dad. That's about as sad and shameful as it gets, and its all being done for selfish reasons. To the rest of the board, I apologize for my tone, but we are talking about a real, live kid here and a massive mistake. I hope at least the people (single or married) here with kids ... who have put in endless hours to create great lives filled with love, comfort and happiness, understand. I'm going to stop now before I really get mad.

Amen. Nothing would have been wrong with that.

Billy -- not so sure about that; maybe mod will fill us in but as porthos mentions the OP has been suspended, so hopefully it has more to do with the other stuff in that string rather than the "best" issue. Just would seem to be the height of irony not to be able to have a "best SP" ... or "best client" ... thread on an escort-related message board.

Yes. Nuff' said.

Ha, funny. Good answer! I think there's a bit of a difference ... a SP should never complain if a client sees other clients, but she has every reason to be upset if plans are made and then a client sees another lady who becomes available and then the client lies about it. But that's lying, and that's different, but it sometimes gets intermingled into these sorts of issues. By the way, the thing about the client lying and seeing another lady ... that also works in reverse ... if a lady lies to a client that she had set up an appointment with in order to see a different (more profitable?) client ... well that's not right either.

Well, cerb is a great place, but it sure seems we have reached a very, very weird place when a "who's the best escort" thread gets closed on the Canadian Escort Recommendation Board. uggh. Cmon guys ... we are taking ourselves waaaaay too seriously around here. Also, any response to a "best" thread is obviously nothing more than an opinion as these aren't objective measures. My opinion as to best (which I respectfully decline to offer because I personally dont want other ladies that I have seen on cerb to think they are somehow not as good ... which isn't true) is going to obviously differ from others. Topics like this can get to be a lot of fun, with great stories attached. And as to a "best clients" thread, I'm all for it! That way, the guys here can harrass the other guys who get mentioned. (wink)

It is difficult, especially if you are on the shy side; there really no two ways about it. The nice thing is that very social places like cerb give you a chance to get to know the lady a bit before you actually get together, and those communications can serve as an icebreaker when you meet. That said, first meetings are always going to be a bit uncomfortable. Your best bet is to sincerely give the proper non-verbal cues (be polite, deferential, clean, friendly and look the lady in the eye). This should always end well, and if it doesn't, maybe there's something else going on. Second, third, etc. meetings can be very different, especially if the first meeting went great. One of my favorite recollections, from a couple of years ago, is with a lady who is very well respected on cerb but who doesn't post a lot. We had seen each other on two previous occasions. It was mid fall, so she was wearing a medium length coat. Well, she came into my room, in a bit of a rush. She quickly handed me her coat, and she had on a proper, but short black skirt and a white blouse, high heels and stockings but that was it (smile). Still standing, she gave me a big hug and kiss, pulled one leg up, announced "Right Now!" and, well, there you have it. Afterwards, we caught up with each other's lives with a great conversation and then has a more relaxed session. Lesson? There is no substitute for familiarity in these things .. its just too personal of an activity. But its worth the investment.

Rooster - Dude, with respect, you're not in love. It's a combination of infatuation and horniness combined with novelty. Guaranteed. Enjoy the ride ... literally ... but keep your wits. If you keep replaying that fantasy "tape," over and over again in your head (you are doing that in your post above) you're gonna think its real and that's when you are setting yourself up for a big fall.

It makes a huge difference to me if the lady is excited as that's a major important element to me. In short, ladies first! ;))

Precisely! And now we have one less point of view on that topic.

Is the "H" word actually banned here? I took a quick look at the rules and couldn't see anything specifically on point. If not, maybe it should be banned if its going to inflame passions like this. Other than Shayla's use of that term, and the use of that term in reference to this board, she seems to just be expressing a point of view about whether this is a job or not. Its the minority view, and most would disagree, but wasn't that the whole point of Cristy's post to begin with? Of course its a a job, but that's my opinion. And before anyone comments on this, or adds another comment to this string about Shayla's posts, they really ought to go back and read them as it seems to me that many have not. Again, try to forget the references to the H word, and I dont see how the posts are disrepectful. In fact, she makes a point of accepting other people's points of view and says that she enjoys working as an SP. And her other posts on other topics are nothing out of the ordinary. The absolutely worst thing that can happen to this community is someone to get banned. It should be a last resort and only after there have been warnings and an opportunity for people to change. This is not about someone violating the soliciting rules, or spamming ... its about someone who expressed a point of view about something that people found offensive. I just find that really sad.

Anyone who tracks Sacha's posts knows that she often includes a great joke, so in honor of her birthday: "A guy walks over to the perfume counter and tells the clerk he'd like a bottle of Chanel no. 5 for his significant other's birthday: 'A little surprise, eh?' says the clerk. 'You bet' said the customer ... 'She's expecting a cruise.' Happy birthday Sacha and best wishes!

Agreed ... a very special lady. Happy birthday Isa!

But what if she is giving him no choice?

64 -- welcome and best wishes. To cut to the chase, safe GFE usually refers to CBJ vs BBBJ. However, GFE is ... As many have pointed out, GFE is more about a style of service than anything. Apples and oranges. Providers that state "Safe GFE" do so usually as a way to notify potential clients that BBBJ is not an option. On the other hand, providers that offer BBBJ will usually say so in their ad as its likely to result in more business. There are a number of threads on Cerb about the pros and cons of BBBJ. If you are not comfortable with BBBJ, you can always ask a provider to just give you a CBJ. If you are looking for a BBBJ (sounds like you're not, but just in case), look for providers that advertise that. Never assume someone offering GFE is offering BBBJ or DFK for that matter. Have fun!

Well, it looks like I have ruffled some feathers and that certainly wasn't my intention. Let me try one more time. I agree that this can be a problem and I said as much in the first sentence of my first post. And it is in the right section, I guess. And its very artfully put. My point is that some of these posts seem to have to sound less like guidance for newbies and more like "complaints of the week." (smile) If there's enough of these types of posts, they do provide warnings/guidance for clients (a good thing), but if the same ladies are posting these over and over again, it might have a negative effect on how a newbie (or any client, for that matter) might perceive them. That's all. Maybe its a subtlety thats lost on other folks, or maybe its more about how cerb has changed over the years. Or maybe I'm nuts. But as a guy who (I think) has always had a pretty good reputation around here over the years for watching out for our ladies, I thought I'd mention it. PS ... I dont know why the "boobeyes" (smile) above are appearing ... I didn't add them and I cant figure out how to remove them.

Greetings and best wishes. Don't forget to post about your get togethers if they are good ones.

Never existed. People will necessarily, and almost always, act out of some degree of self-interest. Nothing wrong with that as long as its balanced with a sense of morality (which is usually where the problems are).

Meg (and to all our cerb ladies) -- that's fine and understood, but it begs the question I am raising which is that ... taken as a whole ... these posts can, and do, come across as negative and very critical of clients. And again, there seems to be a lot of them especially in the newbie thread. Again, it's not this string or anyone in particular. Not talking about safety issues either. But they are all bricks in a wall. All I'm trying to do is caution all of the ladies that it may have unintended consequences from a "marketing standpoint," so to speak. Look at it this way: if I am a new potential client and I am perusing the newbie thread and I see all these threads from the ladies complaining about otherwise gentle and gentlemanly clients asking an "inappropriate" question or not fully reading the pricing section of someone's website or not precisely following detailed instructions or needing to share detailed personal information about themselves .... well, jeez, is it even worth it? Compare that against the SP that is posting mostly positive, fun comments and has a fairly simple contact process? Who is more likely to be contacted by that new client? Anyways, just food for thought.