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I wasn't aware.

And yes, this is the only industry that has the person buying the services being put through this screening process like there's no tomorrow. It's backwards, but at least we can agree it's more of a powerplay, and far less of a "for our safety" excuse. Because other than the threat of giving out my ID to others, it does nothing to prevent the horrible acts mentioned earlier. Like first the analogy I stated, I just wanted to get the guy to build me my deck, why all these credit checks and proof of insurance? hahaha -- being paranoid of all these creeps and low lifes and violent people is giving the other 99% a bad reputation?

No one's saying "we demand you reveal you're true identity" or anything. And I doubt the ever escalating amount of hoops would stop when people stop asking questions, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this at all, would we. But if an SP is justifying a screening process out of this fear of being 'murdered' I'm not sure this hobby os for them. And well put Manda, that's all true. It's just a shame the fear mongering needs to be implemented like this, good lord. There's a lot of over-thinking here 🙂

Most SPs don't ask for money up front, but those that do, wouldn't that be the power play?

True enough, never argued against that.

Never denied it was a reality.

she's been here many times, many positive reviews, just search for her on here

Again, the initial conversation he started has conveniently gone unanswered. Exactly how does it make an SP feel more safe by them having a copy of my driver's licence? Imagine I go onto a gift shop, browse around, pick out an item, go up to the cashier, I have my debit card out and she asks me for a credit check.... "a credit check? I can pay cash, I have it right here". "Nope, I need to check your credit score before we can make this transaction, you know, in case you want to rob me, I'm protected" -- I fail to see the logic in this. Again, I don't to see how collecting and keeping a hobbyist's personal info protects the SP from violence. I found drakonis17's question to be a bit ridiculous, because just like Ms Manda pointed out, no SP in their right mind would do such a thing, heck half the ads on LL state "will not provide any more photos" ... but I was just pointing out therealsweetier's hypocrisy in her response. Don't kid yourself too much their Mikey, you'll out yourself. Because let's not forget; we're the ones not allowed to ask questions, we're the ones paying the cash, we're the ones having to verify our identity, we're the ones paying deposits, we're the ones going to their locations, we're not the ones setting the prices, they are (as it should be), perhaps your've been lucky and you haven't been screwed over Mikey, wether it's a reputable agency or independant or not... but I'll call the BS when I see it, make no mistake. There's no need to score brownie points with your virtue-signalling by saying they're already at a disadvantage. Not when they keep stacking up the claims that they're wanting deposits, and IDs and references and all this under the reasons of 'personal safety' --so let's CALM down---- let's not dig ourselves into a deeper hole. Because it looks like people are taking advantage of the situation in my eyes. Think io it - To what end will this go? Why not just ask for all the money up front? If what you're saying is true, and they are at such a severe disadvantage, then why not demand MORE safety and assurance?? Ask for twice as much and for all of it to be e-transfered up front? If all SPs did this, would we not have no choice but to comply? You know, for the safety and reassurance of everyone? To make it fair? Yes? Since the economics of this and supply-and-demand seem to be irrelevant. Why not evolve all this to its next logical step? Yeah? No?

Seriously? That's low. Your excuse for needing someone licence and down payment and references... is that THAT will prevent you from being murdered??? I sincerely doubt any SP would be doing this line of work if you legitimately feared being murdered that much. You're counting on the client's honesty to simply not give you a fake licence, and WE are trusting that you won't blackmail us later by simply threatening to not sell our identity/info online.

Yeah, when more and more they ask US for proof of ID and verification, but they conveniently ensure that they don't want to provide any more photos or info to prove that they exist or that they are in fact in town, not until they get a deposit, then..... poof, they vanish. WE are the customers, WE are the ones losing out on money, Yes there's creeps out there, but THEY offer the service, WE pay for the service, at what point have the tables turned that WE are the ones needing to pay up front, WE are the ones being scammed far more often then them, so I don't understand why they need to prove that they wont con us. They claim it's for their personal safety. We are the ones losing out with all these deposit scams, fake ads, bogus SPs claiming to do this and that out of their own personal safety, when all I'm seeing on these forums (literally some dedicated solely to out the con artists) are stories of how we have to navigate through all this slop to find anyone that isn't out to screw us over. Imagine if you hired a carpenter to re-build your back deck, and they came over to see the house, and asked for money up front so they can 'buy the lumber', asked for proof of ID, a copy of your hime insurance, a picture of your drivers licence, and an Amazon gift card, you know, just to make sure you were "Serious" and you weren't going to back down. Like, WTF... you don't LOSE anything by me cancelling, buddy.... I'm hiring you to build my deck, why are you wanting all this proof of ID that YOU could use to steal my identity with or black mail me with it later??

Saw Jasmine tonight. She was incredible, Very kind and courteous, great massage, the softest lips of all time! Very sexy! Booking through text was very easy. Will repeat again next time for sure! She was a delight.

crazy everywhere, cost of living is sky-rocketing, yet people's salaries are not going up.

all very true

True with anything really. Bigger cities, bigger clientele, bigger competition, see how all the ads on LL and everywhere have become just an excuse to post up their OF site anyways - at first it was a way to legitimize themselves, show their face and show that they're real, but now they don't have to offer incall/outcall service, they can just do online service + collect monthly subscriptions from their growing fanbase and work-from-home and do personalized videos for extra income, and be safer. And now bots/AI are making it easier for them to message dozens of clients all at once thru OF at the click of a button and can do customize content.

Hopefully Jasmine YFL, isn't forced to cancel due to the strike.

They all make more money just doing OF -- and for those with a built up volume of posts on their OF, they sit back and rake in the dough, it has the same cumulative effects as any subscription based model, like YouTube member subscriptions to your channel or Patreon. So I'm not surprised that the options at our disposal is shrinking.

Old photos isn't a good sign.

I kinda meant "good job" for TOFTT

100%

Damn, I would hope so, nearly double the price from YFL, and they are mind-blowing. Good job Matador!

Wow, prices are climbing, even for all these elites touring around. With the economy tanking the way it is, I wonder if they're aware that they're pricing themselves out of the market... well, potentially, when you're catering yourself for only the higher upper class and not even the upper-middle class can afford you anymore, it will limit the number of clients and encounters they have. Which sucks, for them... and the rest of us.

I hear Bayer's Lake SPs are offering a fire sale today?

Actually, I'm told the amount of single ladies wanting to just have one-night-stands in the Toronto night life / bar life is insane, way more per-capita than out here, despite the population difference. It's dis-proportionate out there how many more single ladies there are.

Doesn't get much more fake than that

not racism at all, simply fact