Expectations From Touring Ladies, and Ladies Coming Into Ottawa.

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

So I have had this come up fairly often when ladies come into Ottawa from Out of Town. Especially from the Western provinces.

 

Often their expectations on rates and services expected seem a bit off from my experience in the Ottawa market.

 

 

I have found that Ottawa is a very competitive market and many ladies from the west come in expecting 300+ and hour. When I explain to them its above the average here in Ottawa they get offended.

 

Here's my point, I think that ladies have the right to charge whatever they want. But the business is what it is, and there are many great ladies in Ottawa that offer amazing services at very reasonable rates.

 

The market is what it is, we try to keep our rates reasonable and keep the flow of business steady. The long term business is what this is all about. And I think some SPs lose track of that.

 

Just wanted some feedback..

 

Jason

[EmilyRushton 253346]

I tend to disagree with your statement about ladies losing track of the business as well that expecting $300+ an hour is out of line. As someone who travels 80% of the month, I think it is you that does not understand how a touring lady conducts her business.

 

If people are interested in seeing a companion, regardless of what her donations are they will visit with her. Why would anyone travel to another city and work for less than they currently make, would you?

 

If a lady is travelling she has expenses among other things on top of normal everyday expenses at home. Not all providers are high volume ladies either, most come to visit with the expectation of seeing a couple amazing clients. Their donation among how they carry themselves allows them to be able to do just that. Some increase there donations to cover expenses others require a time duration minimum. If the lady has a great additude, personality and service, she is worth every penny of a what ever she chooses to charge for her time.

 

There is no "Market Rate" /"Going Rate" in any city, people like to use that term to barter and that is a load of garbage. You use the term to "keep the flow of business steady" - Not all ladies offer a revolving door service.

 

What a lady charges and what she offers are up to her, if she is in demand and people are happy her donation will not matter in the end.

[Guest s******ecan****]

There is no "Market Rate" /"Going Rate" in any city, people like to use that term to barter and that is a load of garbage. You use the term to "keep the flow of business steady" - Not all ladies offer a revolving door service.

 

What a lady charges and what she offers are up to her, if she is in demand and people are happy her donation will not matter in the end.

 

 

Certainly I echo Emily's comments here. There is no "market rate" in Moncton, we have many different touring ladies and they have a wide variety of packages and rates.

 

I think most clients make their decisions based on what appeals to them about a lady. They are service or "experience" driven not "price driven" when it comes to making a decision about booking.

 

Certainly that is the case here and it is also how I have always viewed my own preferences.

[etasman2000 15994]

I tend to disagree with your statement about ladies losing track of the business as well that expecting $300+ an hour is out of line.

 

I agree. Traveling ladies do incur a higher cost and their compensation reflects that either via higher rates or minimum hours.

There is no "Market Rate" /"Going Rate" in any city, people like to use that term to barter and that is a load of garbage.

 

Here I disagree. Call it what you may each city seems to have a mean rate and a variance (spread/standard deviation). For example the mean rate in Montreal seems lower compared to Ottawa and the variance is higher. Toronto seems to have a higher mean rate compared to Ottawa and a smaller variance.

 

However in no way does this imply a visiting SP should lower her rates nor does it give anyone the excuse to bargain.

[rickoshadows 937]

It is all about value. The average rate does vary from place to place, but those companions who travel normally charge on the high end. If they provide an experience which equals that amount, they will do well and will come back. There are a number of ladies who make Ottawa a regular part of their travels, I assume they wouldn't continue to come back, if wasn't profitable.There are some who come through here once, never to return, not profitable enough perhaps, or they were driven away by no shows/false bookings by competitors etc.

 

Ottawa has only recently become more competitive, probably started when we weathered the economic meltdown better than others and ladies started coming here because the clients were still buying. Also the upstart "club girls" who think they can dabble in the field for top dollars have started back off on their expectations. It all makes for a fluid and competitive enviroment where both the client and the ladies who offer true value for their askings can thrive, but still a large enough market that new competitors can still break in. Good times :)

[ottanon 2930]

I have to agree with you on this one.. I don't want to say the wrong thing as MOD is touchy on pricing issues. I got warned once already. I will say that many ladies outprice themselves with me at least no matter how much I want to see them. As we hobby more we also realize that other cities can pay a lot less than us. Its a balance and fairness in donations that have to be handled. I have a target price and don't go over it, no matter how much the lady might be worth it. As a result I see someone every week (almost) rather than twice a month. I would say that things have changed (for me at least) over the last year. I am much more selective. I would wait for a "special" before I pay a higher price. I think like anything the Sp has to know her clientele and what a fair market value is. For those that are fair to me, I can be generous in other ways.

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

And This is what I was trying to say here. I do agree ladies can and do charge what they want.

 

Just to clarify, I never said 300+ an hour is out of line, (by no means do I believe that at all) but it is above average in Ottawa. And maybe again to clarify, by saying keeping the flow steady, I meant to keep you as busy as you want to be. (Isnt that how all business' work?)

 

I guess my point is Ottawa is becoming an increasingly competitive place to do business and I get alot of ladies wanting to work with us that are from out of town. When I tell them the avg price in Ottawa alot of them get a bit freaked out.

 

And I do understand there are costs incurred for doing business out of town, but at the same time hotels do cost the same for a lady that lives in town too. The difference is the cost of travel I suppose.

 

Again, this wasnt to step on anybodys toes. To be honest I think the average cost of service in Ottawa is actually on the Low side. My question I am submitting here is what price can the Ottawa market handle?

 

I hope I am not rustling any feathers here, I think its good to have this kind of dialogue to all clients and SPs talk about this, as its good info to have on both ends. At the end of the day, we all want to be happy. SPs want to earn a good living, and clients want to feel good about things on their end.

[fortunateone 156618]

I thinktouring sps tend to be at the higher end of the rate scale. When they are at home, their rates are typically also at the higher end of the scale compared to moderately priced sps. But typically also they are not targeting the moderate client market, but rather the higher end clientele. The higher end clientele can well afford the rates, which is kind of the point. Because it is still a luxury 'purchase', this activity, not an essential service and the sps who do this definitely do not have to price themselves into a high volume rate. All it means is that if you really wanted to see her, you would skip one of your weekly visits elsewhere, and visit her if you wish.

 

That is the compromise some clients, I found, are unwilling to make. Instead they use forums to try to push their lower rate agenda (when not pushing their riskier services agenda that is). :-P (not pointing any fingers here, just a comment based on things I have seen in the past. Typically, the reason rates are not used as a discussion on this forum is that it becomes a hostile topic, and people start to post things in a way that imply, intimidate or threaten an sps business if she does not come down in price (or up in services).

 

 

I just wondered what prompted this by the OP. Are you providing an agency service for traveling sps from out west, who want to visit the area and have you do the promotions, or are you simply talking about independent visiting sps? And if so, why worry about it? Basically, if the traveling sp rates are higher than the main client base want to pay, that means the local sps will continue to be as busy as usual, and the visiting sps will continue to see the clients who prefer to see them.

 

I think sometimes there is a misconception amongst some clients, who think that the half hour and hour sessions are the norm, so the rate of say max 250 or less would be most agreeable. But for an sp in that 250-300-350 an hour range, their clients also tend to be booking 2-3-4 and more hours at a time. These encounters cannot often be compared $ for $.

[silverado17 12689]

the way i look at it if the lady wants to charge 300 an hour she can it's up to the guy's if they want to pay it to go see her or find a cheaper one

[redmachine 1916]

Personally I believe it is inappropriate for anyone to comment on what a sp rates maybe.

Whatever rates they charge is between the sp and the clients they see.

And this also includes any ladies who some may feel are on the low end of the rate scale.

Regardless if there rates are $100 hr or $1000 hr there rates should be respected.

[Amanda Bella 421]

I tend to disagree with your statement about ladies losing track of the business as well that expecting $300+ an hour is out of line. As someone who travels 80% of the month, I think it is you that does not understand how a touring lady conducts her business.

 

If people are interested in seeing a companion, regardless of what her donations are they will visit with her. Why would anyone travel to another city and work for less than they currently make, would you?

 

If a lady is travelling she has expenses among other things on top of normal everyday expenses at home. Not all providers are high volume ladies either, most come to visit with the expectation of seeing a couple amazing clients. Their donation among how they carry themselves allows them to be able to do just that. Some increase there donations to cover expenses others require a time duration minimum. If the lady has a great additude, personality and service, she is worth every penny of a what ever she chooses to charge for her time.

 

There is no "Market Rate" /"Going Rate" in any city, people like to use that term to barter and that is a load of garbage. You use the term to "keep the flow of business steady" - Not all ladies offer a revolving door service.

 

What a lady charges and what she offers are up to her, if she is in demand and people are happy her donation will not matter in the end.

 

 

Emily thank you so much for all these well substatiated arguments, for it cost a lot to be in a Hotel and this business can be invariable and plus we have to deal with the no show BS guys and the ones who asks us to visite and then never book anything.

[Alexa Cummings 878]

As a sp who in the past has traveled to different cities (trip out west and frequent visits to Toronto) it does cost!

When I visit Toronto I am usually in a Very Upscale Hotel and they are not cheap. When I traveled to Alberta I had air fares and hotel fees as well as studio fees as I was renting a condo for the duration of my stay.

We all have our regular fees for when we are in our home city. However, when it comes to traveling I couldnt agree more with the ladies here expressing that yes our price may go up and if it does it could be for more then one reason. My biggest reason is always "We are a treat to your city and consider us a 'Limited Time' while we are there". We arent always gonna be available in whatever city we are in until our return and having said that yes we may choose to up our menu options as we are not like the lady next door where you can come by any day you choose. There is limited space to see us and we have to make our schedules flexible. Then there are the other reasons such as our traveling fees.

And yes sometimes we do have no shows and others it turns out excellent.

So for someone to say they think that a sp is charging too much or isnt going by the going rate is uncalled for. It all depends on the lady and the setting. If she chooses to mark herself in the 300+ range and makes out well then she is clearly worth every penny and much more! And if not then I am sure she will figure things out for the next trip. Everyone has their comfortable price that works well with them just like many agencies do as well...

But I also feel that when it comes to agencies it is a whole other situation then dealing with a lady individually.

You must always also put into consideration that we have certain demands we must keep up to such as: Hair, nails, outfits, etc.

Sometimes we get special demands and others we just have to keep ourselves looking our best...This all comes into how we market ourselves.

[roamingguy 300291]

My viewpoint as a newbie. The ladies rates are set. If they have a certain rate in their hometown, why would they spend money to travel to another city, stay in a hotel, plus their meals/incidentals, for the request/demand, that they lower their rate...am I missing something:?:?::?:?::?

The ladies are performing a service for which they charge a certain rate. If it's too much, don't see them...but don't haggle over their rate, it is rude and distasteful, they deserve to be treated with respect.

RG

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

My viewpoint as a newbie. The ladies rates are set. If they have a certain rate in their hometown, why would they spend money to travel to another city, stay in a hotel, plus their meals/incidentals, for the request/demand, that they lower their rate...am I missing something:?:?::?:?::?

The ladies are performing a service for which they charge a certain rate. If it's too much, don't see them...but don't haggle over their rate, it is rude and distasteful, they deserve to be treated with respect.

RG

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I think everyone in this thread has a valid point of view and is showing respect for the ladies.

 

They have alot to put up with sometimes and it can be an expensive business to work in. I just wanted to share my experience in the Ottawa market. And I think that the ladies deserve to make even more than the current market will bear. I do get clients haggling on prices and I end up hanging up on them.

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[Guest s******ecan****]

Charge what you want

 

 

This is all you should have written.

[jg24 3707]

Annessa hit the nail on the head why would it matter to Ottawa's self described #1 Agency what other ladies charge local or touring sp's.

 

I think there maybe another motive behind the thread its call advertising in a different manner. For me it is not about the rate but the lady if I choose to see a lady at $400 hr or a lady at $200 an hour im not spening the money on the RATE but on the lady and her time and to me sometimes you can't put a price on these after all this is not a grocery store.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

One thing I've learned in this business is that you do not have a monopoly on any particular service, but you do have a monopoly on yourself. There are many gentlemen who aren't just 'looking to get laid' but who have particular standards and they are willing to pay for the right lady.

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

Well as long as its done in a respectful way, which so far I think it is.. whats the harm in having a lively and slightly controversial thread?

It was sort of meant as a mini rant. I do respect the ladies in this city and on this board very much. I hope that this much isnt miscommunicated.

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[PistolPete 61421]

Men, will go where their dollar takes them and who they are willing to spend their money with regardless of the amount set by the lady in my opinion.

 

Ottawa is a very competitive market,always has been and always will be judging by the number of ladies here on this board,and touring ladies that enjoy coming to Ottawa.

 

Rates are set,happy hobbying and enjoy:wink:

[Guest S***dst***]

This is no right or wrong price, in the manner that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If something is not attractive to one person, that doesn't mean it's not attractive to someone else.

 

I've had a lot of interesting teachers growing up, from various parts of the world no less; strange what small towns attract.

Many have given some grand advice and one comes to mind as of the latter in this discusion unfolds:

 

"A business need not fear the obnoxious and vocal customers, spend a bit more product/cost on them and they are happy to return. The ones you want to deal with are the quiet ones, for they have learned to simply not return and that costs you a lot more."

 

What the hell does that have to do with this thread??!?

I haven't been "hobbying" for long (little over a year now) but I have seen a fairly large variety of ladies working the business. MANY price ranges, attitudes, levels of service, styles etc etc

 

For me it makes no difference in price. Am I the average by which things are measured? Not likely.

It's been said before that the best thing (financially) you can do for a lady is to return. I agree.

 

A buyer will pay what they think the product/service is worth.

It doesn't matter what the lady charges, if the experience reflects this.

I've seen a few ladies (some indy, some from agencies . extras on top) who charge a LOT and I would never have visited them at all had I known what they were like; on a personable level.

I have also seen ladies who are worth more then they charge and I will continue to see them even if they raise their prices.

[Amanda Bella 421]

"There is a notion that by pricing your service is higher you will keep some undesirables out. To some degree its true, however there are always Some A-holes with a large wallet and they can end up being a nightmare to deal with as well because they feel a sense of entitlement due to the higher price they paid."

 

Pikjason is right on this one however most of the time it is the guy asking for half hours who is most likely to be the most demanding.

As Angela said the lower the rate the greater the junk smmelly

guy will contact us.

 

In my experience the well to do will pay me way

more then my donation

when they realise that i am not charging the

worth of my looks, service and the space i provide.

 

 

Megan you made an excellent point the gents with higher standars

desire quality and is willing to pay for it.

 

On the other hand i have meet travelling ladies who call thenselves escorts and charge way more then i do and have nothing to offer.

Not well groomed

Not a care in the world for quality services neither is familiar with emotional and social intelligence to provide at least a peacefull encounter.

 

I think one should only call oneself an escort if they are well educated person capable of offering an enriching experience and interesting companionship.

 

The cost of been in a high end hotel it is very high plus i think i have more to offer then some ladies. On the other hand i try to keep my prices competitive. It is just economics 101 for me anyways.

[PistolPete 61421]

Amanda,

The below post is not a friendly comment.You are trying to put yourself at higher spectrum then other ladies. Which I find very distasteful without having complete knowledge of any other ladies if they are "well educated person capable of offering enriching experience".

 

Comments like this do not sit well with myself and I'm sure others here.

 

 

 

On the other hand i have meet travelling ladies who call thenselves escorts and charge way more then i do and have nothing to offer.

Not well groomed

Not a care in the world for quality services neither is familiar with emotional and social intelligence to provide at least a peacefull encounter.

 

I think one should only call oneself an escort if they are well educated person capable of offering an enriching experience and interesting companionship.

 

The cost of been in a high end hotel it is very high plus i think i have more to offer then some ladies. On the other hand i try to keep my prices competitive. It is just economics 101 for me anyways.

[Amanda Bella 421]

PistolPite why would you fell insulted?

 

First i am not making references to anyone on Cerb.

 

The ladies here have been classy and helpfull and caring to me!

 

Some of us know that the sex industry attracts ladies who are from

middle class and uppper class who knows about self grooming and have the desire to get higher education and also attracts ladies from the other end who have no notion of self care neither try to improove herself.

 

In fact a client wrote posts about one of them on CL, saying she was smelly and scary loud trowing tauntruns, then Angela been super darling got the ladies here to flag the posts.

 

I think the clients should know when someone is distastfull and disgusting and full of rage who might yell at them.

 

I am not putting myself above anyone.

 

And the quality ladies will come across in the way they discuss issues and present thenselves and you know that as well.

[mod 135639]

I deleted Pikes post as it was breaking the CERB rules. I also had to remove all the posts where the members here "Quoted" him and commented about specific rates.

 

1) Can not post rates of others (Including Agencies or Indies) only they can post rates and only in the ANNOUNCEMENTS area under the ad posting rules/guidelines

 

2) You can not complain or try to convince the ladies (or agencies) that they are priced too high.

 

For those complaining about rates: If they are priced OUT of your budget find someone who is in your price range. I am sure that if the lady you find who is priced "too high" for you is not getting any business (as you seam to think) they will eventually lower the price if no one is booking with them! (They would easily figure this out on their own without your "advice" thanks!).

Until then it is NOT your place to complain or comment on that price just because your too broke or cheap to pay those rates.

 

You will just need to move on and find someone in your price range or save up your money and splurge a little. Complaining about it is just rude and self serving!

 

To think they would get more business by lowering the price is assuming that the ladies want back to back appointments (Higher Volume) and your wrong.

 

Most of the ladies would much rather do ONE call for 400.00 as opposed to 2 calls for 200.00 and many guys are very willing to pay those prices for the ladies. If they get NO calls at 400.00 I am sure they would consider lowering that price without any help from you (but I hate to break this to you... the ladies who advertise 400.00 rates still get plenty of business - especially if they are getting recommended and supplying a top notch service).

 

Some ladies may feel they need to use the lower price to attract business (What they attract are the guys who choose ladies based on price - and those guys are often not the most desirable clients) the ladies want to be pampered and want to be in the company of generous gentleman who spoil them! Someone picking a lady who is offering cheap services is not someone who is desirable in this way!

 

I know some of you may shop price - probably 1/2 of you choose ladies from time to time based on price and that is fine. Do it privately and respectfully (Not post comments in public on cerb please)

[PistolPete 61421]

Pete says, here you go again about making a statement that

 

"middle class and upper class ladies are the only ones that know about self grooming,and have the desire to get higher education"

 

and

 

"also attracts ladies from the other end who have no notion or self care neither try to improve herself"

 

perhaps you can tell us exactly what you mean by this statement? Middle class and Upper class??, I have never stumbled across that definition of ladies that are service providers.

 

I don't really care about CL ADS, it has nothing to do with this thread.

 

My interpretation of your comments is that you have put yourself in a completely different class,and that other ladies that are touring in Ottawa are not worthy to mention.

 

Or how would you know that these other ladies do not have an desire and achieve or (already are) achieving a higher education?

 

It is pitting yourself against others if my view, which I think is very bias and unfair to mention here.

 

You have already said that

 

"I think one should only call oneself an escort if they are well educated person capable of offering an enriching experience and interesting companionship.

 

The cost of been in a high end hotel it is very high plus i think i have more to offer then some ladies."

 

I would say that you are "putting yourself above other ladies".

 

Pete

 

 

 

PistolPite why would you fell insulted?

 

Some of us know that the sex industry attracts ladies who are from

middle class and uppper class who knows about self grooming and have the desire to get higher education and also attracts ladies from the other end who have no notion of self care neither try to improove herself.

 

In fact a client wrote posts about one of them on CL, saying she was smelly and scary loud trowing tauntruns, then Angela been super darling got the ladies here to flag the posts.

 

I think the clients they should know when someone is distastfull and disgusting and full of rage who might yell at them.

 

I am not putting myself above anyone.

And the quality ladies will come across in the way they discuss issues and present thenselves and you know that as well, dont u?