Expectations From Touring Ladies, and Ladies Coming Into Ottawa.

[Guest S***dst***]

 

...quality services neither is familiar with emotional and social intelligence to provide at least a peacefull encounter.

 

I think one should only call oneself an escort if they are well educated person capable of offering an enriching experience and interesting companionship.

 

...i think i have more to offer then some ladies....

 

Quality is not justified by price. It is justified by the persons subjective opinion. A higher price does not a better experience make. Nor does a lower one.

A non university/college educated person can be as polite and engaging as any other. They may not be able to carry a conversation about nuclear physics but they can still make you feel welcomed and special.

Life and experience are also great teachers.

Using the term "escort" as a title reserved only for deserving individuals is rather disrespectful.

 

Not everyone is well off enough to jump into things like some people are. Not everyone is born beautiful or rich or even with a home to live in. What matters is if they strive for something better, or just give up and accept their fate.

Life is what YOU make it.

[Guest Sa******]

Ive been reading up..and although I am a new provider so i dont know very much, however I wanted to give my view on things too.

 

True. Quality cannot always justified by price + nobody moderates these rates anyways, that is only the escort's business. Hobbiests decide whether or not to participate in an escort's business thats HIS business.

 

Since we are discussing prices, my question is what "should" you get for that price.

 

Ill answer first ;) To me, higher price signifies more generosity from a women in terms of sensuality, affection, friend, lover, fantasy provided and genuine desire to fulfill your dreams. Being a true companion no? Isnt that what GFE stands for? Theres more to GFE than just technical it is a relationship experience that can either be long-lived, short-live just like the ones we have regularly. The more you give yourself to your work, the more you should be rewarded for that hard work.

 

Notice that although beauty is important, I dont believe it is of the outmost importance here, nor is education of the highest priority. Although it is definitely nice plus...Well all the ladies Ive seen here on cerb have beauty so that aint an issue! hmmm...what do you think?

 

I understand Amanda, when she says that lower cost has a high rate of undesired clients. Different rates attracts different people. Women who want to attract a specific type, will also reflect that in their rates.

 

yep, :boobies: ;)

 

Sasha xoxo

[Andee 220524]

Pikjason is right on this one however most of the time it is the guy asking for half hours who is most likely to be the most demanding.

As Angela said the lower the rate the greater the junk smmelly

guy will contact us..

 

I don't necessarily agree that clients asking for half hours is more demanding. In fact, most of my daytime clients are half hour appointments and the majority of them sweethearts.

 

Since my post got deleted, what I said, was in the past when I have offered specials and lowered my rate by say, $20, I find then, that a different type of client emerges - the type who wants more for the lowered price or or a longer session for that price, thus making him someone I do not want to see.

 

As for getting back to this thread, I don't know how touring ladies' rates and local ladies' rates got mixed into the same discussion. What does one have to do with the other?

 

I think it's been pretty well ascertained that gents are going to see who they want and not just limited by the rates being charged.

[Amanda Bella 421]

Ive been reading up..and although I am a new provider so i dont know very much, however I wanted to give my view on things too.

 

True. Quality cannot always justified by price + nobody moderates these rates anyways, that is only the escort's business. Hobbiests decide whether or not to participate in an escort's business thats HIS business.

 

Since we are discussing prices, my question is what "should" you get for that price.

 

Ill answer first ;) To me, higher price signifies more generosity from a women in terms of sensuality, affection, friend, lover, fantasy provided and genuine desire to fulfill your dreams. Being a true companion no? Isnt that what GFE stands for? Theres more to GFE than just technical it is a relationship experience that can either be long-lived, short-live just like the ones we have regularly. The more you give yourself to your work, the more you should be rewarded for that hard work.

 

Notice that although beauty is important, I dont believe it is of the outmost importance here, nor is education of the highest priority. Although it is definitely nice plus...Well all the ladies Ive seen here on cerb have beauty so that aint an issue! hmmm...what do you think?

 

I understand Amanda, when she says that lower cost has a high rate of undesired clients. Different rates attracts different people. Women who want to attract a specific type, will also reflect that in their rates.

 

yep, :boobies: ;)

 

Sasha xoxo

 

 

Sasha thank you so much for trying to see my point.

I agree if we make more effort to educated ourselves on the arts of erotics and we invest on our apparence and our pictures and we offer confortable safe spaces to meet the gentleman, why we should not be paid for our efforts?

You are right education is not only acquired in higher learning institutions.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Annessa hit the nail on the head why would it matter to Ottawa's self described #1 Agency what other ladies charge local or touring sp's.

 

I think there maybe another motive behind the thread its call advertising in a different manner. For me it is not about the rate but the lady if I choose to see a lady at $400 hr or a lady at $200 an hour im not spening the money on the RATE but on the lady and her time and to me sometimes you can't put a price on these after all this is not a grocery store.

 

I read Annessa's comments early this morning and yes she hit the nail right on the head but I can't see the well written post anymore (or I am going blind lol). I also totally agree with your second paragraph.

[mod 135639]

I read Annessa's comments early this morning and yes she hit the nail right on the head but I can't see the well written post anymore (or I am going blind lol). I also totally agree with your second paragraph.

 

It was removed because it was quoting another post that was breaking the rules. Please if you see someone break the rules FLAG the post and DO NOT quotes it when you reply. It's too much work for me to go edit everyone's quoted posts so they all get removed.

[Victoria Banks 21899]

I agree 300+ is above average in Ottawa.

 

And This is what I was trying to say here. I do agree ladies can and do charge what they want.

 

Just to clarify, I never said 300+ an hour is out of line, (by no means do I believe that at all) but it is above average in Ottawa. And maybe again to clarify, by saying keeping the flow steady, I meant to keep you as busy as you want to be. (Isnt that how all business' work?)

 

I guess my point is Ottawa is becoming an increasingly competitive place to do business and I get alot of ladies wanting to work with us that are from out of town. When I tell them the avg price in Ottawa alot of them get a bit freaked out.

 

 

 

Again, this wasnt to step on anybodys toes. To be honest I think the average cost of service in Ottawa is actually on the Low side. My question I am submitting here is what price can the Ottawa market handle?

 

I hope I am not rustling any feathers here, I think its good to have this kind of dialogue to all clients and SPs talk about this, as its good info to have on both ends. At the end of the day, we all want to be happy. SPs want to earn a good living, and clients want to feel good about things on their end.

[fortunateone 156618]

One post made me think to add a comment. If an sp is coming for the first time and anyone thinks her rates are higher than average, well the proof will be in whether she is "busy enough" based on that. The real test as to whether or not her rates are "too high" is simply does she return? And if so, if she is returning over and over and over again, and her rates remain the same, what does that tell you?

 

She is as busy as she wants/needs to be at those rates, and in spite of the fact that some think it is too high, I imagine there are plenty who do not think that at all.

[Guest f***nds4f**]

The extra expense should not be the only reason to charge higher. I don't ride the plane with her. Why should I pay for it. Higer rate should mean better service.

I do believe most visiting girls are worth for their rate. They keep coming back that means they have business. Of course we have good rate and excellent service local girls, such as Karin19.

 

Additional Comments:

oops! should be Karine19.

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Another factor for visiting ladies may be the "newness" factor. I suspect that a lady may be able to offer a rate above "average" (whatever exactly that is) if she has a good reputation in another part of the country or her photos are particularly attractive or if ... wellll ... there are other intagibles that might attract guys. It seems that, for better or worse, a lot of guys are always looking for something new or unique so there might be enough of a demand for that to cause the price to increase. At least temporarily.

[etasman2000 15994]

The extra expense should not be the only reason to charge higher. I don't ride the plane with her. Why should I pay for it.

 

She still needs to get there.......what happens is the cost is amortized among all the guys who see her, which in this case includes you.

 

It seems that, for better or worse, a lot of guys are always looking for something new or unique so there might be enough of a demand for that to cause the price to increase. At least temporarily.

 

This statement hasn't held up in Ottawa. fortunateone said it best, if someone returns with the same 'high' rates there is enough biz to make it worthwhile regardless of our speculations.

[Annessa 22743]

Annessa hit the nail on the head why would it matter to Ottawa's self described #1 Agency what other ladies charge local or touring sp's.

 

I think there maybe another motive behind the thread its call advertising in a different manner. For me it is not about the rate but the lady if I choose to see a lady at $400 hr or a lady at $200 an hour im not spening the money on the RATE but on the lady and her time and to me sometimes you can't put a price on these after all this is not a grocery store.

 

exactly. yes my post was deleted and in the future I will let my post stand alone instead of attaching it to a quote that may be deleted...

 

bottom line I dont think anyone is reading too much into the OPs post but to some, I'm sorry but it comes across as "touring girls are too pricy compared to what ottawa's market or our agency will charge you" and sort of comes across as a shameless self promo.

 

when in reality, touring girls and local girls or even one girl to another cannot be compared to one another based on worth etc.....

 

For example: everyone who has poor vision needs eyeglasses...perhaps some decide they want to buy theirs at lenscrafters...and other want to special order their set from a Dolce & Gabana Catalogue....one pair costs $90...the other $400....does one pair of perscription glasses do the job any better than the other?....NO, they're still glasses but its the style or the feel or the sense of fulfilment that having nice things may bring you.....you will still have 20/20 vision regardless....some just want to or are willing to pay more.

 

Like another lady one said: everyone needs to eat..and some eat at Swiss Chalet and some eat at high end restaurants that serve foie gras...

 

do the guys who shop at lenscrafters send a letter asking for $100 glasses instead of $400 ones because in their town they only pay X amount? so if they plan on sending them glasses they should therefore give them a $300 discount in their city? because they really NEED their glasses...?

 

would you walk into a 5 star joint and demand a discount because the night before your wife and you had dined for $40 at Swiss Chalet (and had damn good house wine with it?)...and when they said no did you tell them their business wouldnt last long?...if so did the 5 star restaurant laugh when you siad you wouldnt return or ever get their business? I should hope so.

 

I think we all know what I'm getting at.......our prices are not up for discussion, if some dont like it...shop elsewhere...even ladies who are less than $300 or local and $200 will always have someone saying they got it elsewhere cheaper....good for them!

 

we are a privilege...a luxury...not a RIGHT

[Guest s******ecan****]

I agree with you Annessa, I don't think this has been a productive thread at all, in addition to the points you mentioned it is almost a "warning shot across the bow" to ladies who may be planning to tour Ottawa. In other words "if you normally ask more than $240/hr either lower your rate or forget about coming here..nobody will see you"

 

As for the earlier comment by someone who said "I shouldn't have to pay her airfare" that shows a fundamental lack of understanding about economics. Firstly you're only paying a portion of it. Secondly everytime you buy something that isn't made in your own back yard you are paying for transportation costs, be it an orange, a new car, a band on tour etc

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

exactly. yes my post was deleted and in the future I will let my post stand alone instead of attaching it to a quote that may be deleted...

 

bottom line I dont think anyone is reading too much into the OPs post but to some, I'm sorry but it comes across as "touring girls are too pricy compared to what ottawa's market or our agency will charge you" and sort of comes across as a shameless self promo.

 

when in reality, touring girls and local girls or even one girl to another cannot be compared to one another based on worth etc.....

 

For example: everyone who has poor vision needs eyeglasses...perhaps some decide they want to buy theirs at lenscrafters...and other want to special order their set from a Dolce & Gabana Catalogue....one pair costs $90...the other $400....does one pair of perscription glasses do the job any better than the other?....NO, they're still glasses but its the style or the feel or the sense of fulfilment that having nice things may bring you.....you will still have 20/20 vision regardless....some just want to or are willing to pay more.

 

Like another lady one said: everyone needs to eat..and some eat at Swiss Chalet and some eat at high end restaurants that serve foie gras...

 

do the guys who shop at lenscrafters send a letter asking for $100 glasses instead of $400 ones because in their town they only pay X amount? so if they plan on sending them glasses they should therefore give them a $300 discount in their city? because they really NEED their glasses...?

 

would you walk into a 5 star joint and demand a discount because the night before your wife and you had dined for $40 at Swiss Chalet (and had damn good house wine with it?)...and when they said no did you tell them their business wouldnt last long?...if so did the 5 star restaurant laugh when you siad you wouldnt return or ever get their business? I should hope so.

 

I think we all know what I'm getting at.......our prices are not up for discussion, if some dont like it...shop elsewhere...even ladies who are less than $300 or local and $200 will always have someone saying they got it elsewhere cheaper....good for them!

 

we are a privilege...a luxury...not a RIGHT

 

I will say this only one time, this has nothing to do with a shameless self promo.. I was stating a fact that the avg hourly rate that the vast majority of ladies charge is below 300 dollars. Whether they are touring girls or not and whether they have extra costs incurred or not isnt really relevant to many clients. (not saying it isnt valid to the ladies, because it is)

 

Something Annessa, and others have to realize is we take an enormous amount of phone calls a day because we represent many ppl so I get to speak to alot of different types of clientel. We dont advertise our rates on purpose so that we get everyone calling and we screen from that point. The wealthy, no so wealthy and everyone in between.

 

I talk to hundreds of ppl a day, and I can only imagine the very small market share a lady charging 300+ an hr would have. Ottawa isnt Calgary. The market isnt the same at all, and my point in all of this was I have noticed many western escorts coming to town that have higher expectations than I think they will accomplish based on what I have experienced.

 

Another thing that I keep seeing is ladies comparing themselves to a fine wine, or an expensive pair of sunglasses or a 5 star restaurant. You are People, not a luxury Item. And that is objectifying yourself and I don;t believe in that. And by doing that you are also comparing yourself to others that may charge less and it devalues their service which I dont think is right either. There are many ladies charging 200 an hour or even less that can give equal or better service than someone charging much more.

 

And this is MY point of view. Its not a dig at any ladies. Its not saying we or any other agency sets the price standards. Its Not saying you aren't worth it. I honestly think you all are worth more than you are charging. I was stating an observation from my point of view. And its coming from a different angle than an Independants but its not more or less valid than yours.

[PistolPete 61421]

Yes great point J I don't like any analogy's used for a woman.

 

Men will pay based on who they like/want to see, regardless of set rates by any provider.

[Hornee69 4851]

An SP whether touring or local, should be able to set their rates at whatever level they desire. Economics will dictate if they are correct or not, if the rates are too high for the market and she is not seeing anyone she may elect to reconsider her pricing. However, if she is charging premium and busy, good luck to her, she is obviously doing something right. Clients will let the SP's know the correct pricing by supply and demand.

 

As one of the famous SP's said years ago "If you are sitting on a gold mine, why not get paid for it!".

 

I find I like to extend my visits longer than the norm so neither of feel rushed and we have the opportunity to be intimate, sensual & get to know each other a bit. I find that often the SP also likes that and is willing to give the client a "break" for the extended period of time. I also find that after multiple visits with the same girl that "incentives" arte offered for the regularity of those visist and are appreciated by both parties.

 

But at the end of the day SP's should charge what they desire & if the client does not like it there is always a girl at the street corner for them. However, buyer beware, you normally get what you pay for! Sometimes they just give it to you anyway!!! (The girl on the street corner I mean!) Just my 2 cents.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I don't wish to speak on anyone's behalf but my personal understanding by reading the post was that no analogy was used for the ladies but since we are gifting/donating for ladies' time and companionship and some would also suggest their services (rather than paying for the lady) so the analogy was meant as a comparison between quality time and services provided by the ladies and other services rather than the ladies themselves who are not on sale which means in my view no one objectfied anyone anywhere.

[Annessa 22743]

 

Another thing that I keep seeing is ladies comparing themselves to a fine wine, or an expensive pair of sunglasses or a 5 star restaurant. You are People, not a luxury Item. And that is objectifying yourself and I don;t believe in that. And by doing that you are also comparing yourself to others that may charge less and it devalues their service which I dont think is right either. There are many ladies charging 200 an hour or even less that can give equal or better service than someone charging much more.

 

 

actually if you read my analogy correctly you will see that I didnt differentiate the lesser value items as being less quality at all....

 

the glasses will still work and do the job properly....some just like to pay more for a certain brand name or style

 

both restaurants will still leave your belly feeling full....some just have a more expensive menu.

 

sorry if you jumped to the wrong conclusions...but in the end all I was saying is that both comparisons will survive in their business...and its not up to us to try and tell them what they should be charging

[fortunateone 156618]

Actually, this is a luxury item. It is definitely not an essential service, and no one has a "right" to access, so a luxury. (I have seen some posters on other boards who have a POV that they can demand lower rates or threaten boycotts until all sps lower their rates lol )

 

Just thought I would throw that out there. I think that some people do tend to forget that this is not meant to be "affordable" really. The expectation is that everyone will be paying a rate that is, realistically, high for them, high enough to make them think first before deciding who to see, and to regret the expense if they have a bad time. If it was cheap and affordable, none of that would matter.

 

 

I buy my sunglasses at the $ store, but I also know that there are a lot of people who either would not be caught dead shopping at the Dollarama or would not be caught dead wearing anything without that designer label.

[Cara Silver 32412]

I have found that Ottawa is a very competitive market and many ladies from the west come in expecting 300+ and hour. When I explain to them its above the average here in Ottawa they get offended.

 

Here's my point, I think that ladies have the right to charge whatever they want. But the business is what it is, and there are many great ladies in Ottawa that offer amazing services at very reasonable rates.

 

The market is what it is, we try to keep our rates reasonable and keep the flow of business steady. The long term business is what this is all about. And I think some SPs lose track of that.

 

Just wanted some feedback..

 

Jason

 

As someone who recently visited Ottawa with a $300 price tag, I had no trouble meeting clients.

 

You're ranting about visiting sps charging too much. And then you say it doesn't matter that they charge too much because they'll be disappointed anyways. So what is your point? If they overcharge, you're right, it's their problem not yours.

 

So you must be annoyed that clients are paying more to the visiting sps than they do to you. You want us to charge less to compete with your business? If your business is so great, there's no reason to rant. If you're business isn't great, that's on you.

 

Maybe it's not that visiting sps are over-estimating the strength of the market, maybe it's that you can't compete. Just saying....

 

And I don't know anything about your business or your sps. Just like you don't know anything about my business. Look at yourself first. Lots of visiting sps have no problem getting their rate and more.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Another thing that I keep seeing is ladies comparing themselves to a fine wine, or an expensive pair of sunglasses or a 5 star restaurant. You are People, not a luxury Item. And that is objectifying yourself and I don;t believe in that.

This is just ridiculous. There are hierarchies of all kinds of services including food services, hairdressing, music lessons, etc. It's not devaluing to us as individuals to place our services in a hierarchy.

 

Remember, we are not selling OURSELVES, we are selling a SERVICE. There is nothing wrong with comparing our services to other fine things in life like wine or a fine restaurant.

 

I'm sure I feel the same way about the service I provide as a 5-star cook feels about his service.

[Amanda Bella 421]

This is just ridiculous. There are hierarchies of all kinds of services including food services' date=' hairdressing, music lessons, etc. It's not devaluing to us as individuals to place our services in a hierarchy.

 

Remember, we are not selling OURSELVES, we are selling a SERVICE. There is nothing wrong with comparing our services to other fine things in life like wine or a fine restaurant.

 

I'm sure I feel the same way about the service I provide as a 5-star cook feels about his service.[/quote']

 

Originally Posted by pkjason

Another thing that I keep seeing is ladies comparing themselves to a fine wine, or an expensive pair of sunglasses or a 5 star restaurant. You are People, not a luxury Item. And that is objectifying yourself and I don;t believe in that.

 

I honestly dont mind been objectfied as long as i am getting paid.

Obgetification done with respect and finess and in good company

can be loads of fun!

Women get objectified in the real world and sexually harassed and they are getting paid only 65% of each male earned dollar

And most of them are not even been paid at all and still been sexually harassed and without consent.

As a sex worker i dont fell objectified but if you see that way fair enough.

I think one must be a real live sex worker to know what i mean.

If a client becomes disrespectfull i will just return his cash and never see him again.

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

As someone who recently visited Ottawa with a $300 price tag, I had no trouble meeting clients.

 

You're ranting about visiting sps charging too much. And then you say it doesn't matter that they charge too much because they'll be disappointed anyways. So what is your point? If they overcharge, you're right, it's their problem not yours.

 

So you must be annoyed that clients are paying more to the visiting sps than they do to you. You want us to charge less to compete with your business? If your business is so great, there's no reason to rant. If you're business isn't great, that's on you.

 

Maybe it's not that visiting sps are over-estimating the strength of the market, maybe it's that you can't compete. Just saying....

 

And I don't know anything about your business or your sps. Just like you don't know anything about my business. Look at yourself first. Lots of visiting sps have no problem getting their rate and more.

 

Amelia, I am happy you can get that price I honestly am.

 

My business is great, this wasnt a a rant about my business at all. . I can assure you we are happy with where we are business wise.

 

Not sure if you actually read my posts but it had to do with Visiting SPs that were complaining they DIDN;T do well. I merely suggested it might of had something to do with the rates. And the avg rate range in Ottawa.

 

I get this feeling like the Indies in this thread aren;t happy that this subject is even talked about. But why is it so touchy? You choose what you want to charge, and its not something you should be shy about. We are all in business here. Our service is different than your service. And the market is big enough for all of us.

 

Hey if you guys could charge 1000 an hr and get it, I would be all for it. Honestly I would think that would be great for you.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I get this feeling like the Indies in this thread aren;t happy that this subject is even talked about. But why is it so touchy? You choose what you want to charge, and its not something you should be shy about. We are all in business here. Our service is different than your service. And the market is big enough for all of us.

I don't think it's the subject being discussed, it's some of your comments that we have found offensive.

[EmilyRushton 253352]

I don't think it's the subject being discussed' date=' it's some of your comments that we have found offensive.[/quote']

 

I agree with you Megan.

 

In your original post Jason you made it sound like the Independants must be crazy to expect to make at least $300/hr when touring. Your tone in your post came across though you were talking down to higher priced ladies, hence my initial reply.

 

Later in the thread you post about how wrong it is for women to compare themselves to objects, yet you advertise one of your girls as a "sex bomb" & "playboy material", so how is that any different than an indy comparing herself to a fine wine?

 

You have to remember that the Indy world and the Agency world function differently (yes I know what i am talking about as I used to own one for several years) Yes we all provide a service (and as you previously stated "our service is different than your service", and you mention we are touchy about donations, yet YOU are the one who started this thread.

 

Obviously it is just going to keep going on and on and go no-where, if I may ask what was the point of starting this thread?