incall vs. outcall

[sexnonstop724 1727]

Can someone explain the pros and cons between incalls and outcalls?

[xxxAxxx 21016]

incall - illegal

outcall - legal (If the SP is indy....)

 

incall tend to cost less

(many girls tag on $20-$40 for a driver when doing outcalls)

 

incall - puts client in a possibly unsafe scenario.

outcall - puts SP in a possibly unsafe scenario.

 

Outcalls, if in your own home, have the "home bed advantage".

 

 

i can't really think of anything else to tell you at the moment.

[p22*** 236]

I see almost oppisite.

I have only ever heard of stings involving outcalls at hotels.

I never go to any hotel under 4 stars maybe 3 1/2...

Incalls your going to an SP's residence, so clearly not a sting.

Now some SP's clearly vary in their environment standards, so if I where a gentlemen I would ask key questions...

What area do you live by?

Do you smoke?

Do you drink?

Do you have animals?

Do you live in house or apartment?

 

And of course are you Drug free...

I ask these questions to all my clients and post them on my webpage, I will never see a client if he shows signs of smoking, alcohol or drug use.

 

I prefer incalls, because I feel safe in my environment, if something where to occur that puts me in danger, I would call the police.

Being an SP is not illegal, engaging in certain activities makes it illegal.

A violent crime is always illegal.

 

Finally also check to see if SP have positive or negitive reviews about her.

 

My take on your question...

[dreamer8 510]

From my POV ....Outcalls have the hightest chance of bait and switch (check CL and everytime there is a fake models pic it's always for an outcall or if you check the 12+ asian ads on O@N they are all outcall scams)(O@N should change it's name to scam at night)

 

I am not saying that outcalls are all scams becasue I know a few that were just awsome! I am just saying your chances of getting what you want is higher if its an incall.

 

I also like the annonimity and lower overhead of an incall. When you get an outcall you have to either expose where you live or pay for a room then you also pay a premium to have the sp travel to your location.

 

I now only use outcalls when I am out of town on biz and already have a room because if I had to pay for a cab to get to her vs her to me it's the same cost just less hassel if the sp's comes to me.

 

Speaking of which one time on biz I lined up Sp's back to back so as one was leaving the next one was arriving .... you should have seen the look on their faces as they passed each other in my doorway!

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I see almost oppisite.

I have only ever heard of stings involving outcalls at hotels.

I never go to any hotel under 4 stars maybe 3 1/2...

Incalls your going to an SP's residence, so clearly not a sting.

 

 

 

I prefer incalls, because I feel safe in my environment, if something where to occur that puts me in danger, I would call the police.

Being an SP is not illegal, engaging in certain activities makes it illegal.

A violent crime is always illegal.

 

 

 

Calling the police if ever in danger doesn't take away the fact that every time u have a new client for an incall you are in possible danger. Go ahead, call the cops, AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN IN DANGER. Not to mention how you're taking a HUGE chance of being charged with either soliciting, prostitution or wtv the charge is regarding a "bawdy house" cuz wether ur in danger or not, INCALLS ARE ILLEGAL. And if the client doesn't do his homework, the incall could be just as dangerous for him. I've heard stories about people being at the location when the client arrives, etc. I never said incalls could lead to a sting, i just said they COULD be dangerous. For both SPs and clients!!! You disagree with THAT?

 

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Out calls can actually be just as dangerous, also for both sides.

ie:

 

-client's perspective:

*hotel outcall - possible sting

*home outcall - lord knows who you are inviting into your home.

 

-SPs perspective:

*You don't know where you're going to until u get there, regardless of what area of town its in, or what type of residence it is, there could be one guy there or 15. Even with only that one guy, if u haven't met him b4, you don't know what's going to happen. In this case i wouldnt hesitate to call the police if anything arose, seeing as OUTCALLS ARE LEGAL.

 

 

 

where are YOUR pros and cons of each...as per the question?

[d*mm*y 887]

I do sense some hostility? And I am not sure why there are not many sides to this? Risk is very perceptive, one persons perception of risk is very different from another's? Until an SP actually calls the police due to an abusive situation we will not know what actually would happen, and unless the SP's volunteers the info that she was taking money for sex there is no proof the "client" is screwed, if I was truly demented I don't think I would go to the bother of calling an SP, far to easy to find some sweaty on a secluded bike path or follow someone into there apartment carrying a load of groceries. Like wise I do not know any stings that have occurred in any place other than known body rub parlors advertising there location and service. As always if the SP is not alone than leave, you don't need to be in the middle of a drug induced lovers quarrel etc...

 

For me the in call vs the out call is made easy, I don't have a location sooo I can only see ladies that do - once again Dummpy has a very simple life!

 

Now the dungeon downtown could change all that, I can rent the place for $50 an hour yippy!!! and it comes well equipped - double bonus, maybe you girls could meet me down there and we could settle this :D

[xxxAxxx 21016]

no hostility.....i tend to come off that way cuz my words are snappy but i promise it's not like that.

 

I was just carifying what i had said cuz i think she got the wrong impression.

 

 

 

 

and as far as "settling" things goes, I'd never fight a woman unless we were in a tub of vaseline and chargin you guys an arm and a leg to watch.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Since I started the hobby last fall I have been taking outcalls only (at my place of residence), because:

 

Advantages of outcalls:

 

1 - I read (on this board from a very reliable source - the mod) that outcalls are legal - Big Advantage. I can feel relax and enjoy my time.

 

2 - I have the home advantage (i.e at night I can turn all the lights on and day time clear away blinders and see the beauty in full light).

 

3 - I don't have to drive around town (with a map in my hand) and find the incall locations. With gas prices going through the ceiling I can save on gas too.

 

4 - I can arrange the session the way that I like (wine, chocolate, king size bed).

 

5 - If I didn't like the girl (case of Bait and Switch, or not something I expected or asked for) and I don't take the girl, then it will be her (or the agency) money (on transportation) and time (on the road) wasted and not mine.

 

Disadvantages of outcalls:

 

1 - Outcalls have the disadvantage of the fact that the girl will know where you live (may drop by unannounced and embrassed you). This is important if you are married.

 

2 - The girl's boyfriend or pimp also know where you live, but since outcalls are legal they can not blackmail you and you can call the police if they bother you without being charged. This will not be a problem of course with reputable SPs or most agencies.

 

3 - The driver may park in your runway all the time (or in the close neighbourhood), hopefully not in neighbour's driveway by mistake:).

 

4 - It is harder to take outcalls if you don't live in an apartment.

 

5 - There is usually a fine (between $20 to $40) if you don't take the girl even if there is a good reason.

 

I haven't taken incalls but I can think of a few comments:

 

Disadvantages of Incalls:

 

1 - Incalls are illegal.

 

2 - I would feel stressed, and unconfortable to be in a strange place.

 

3 - You can be blackmailed or jumped on by a pimp or boyfriend who may be hiding next door (very rare but possibility is there). Again not a problem with reputable SPs.

 

4 - You have to drive around to find the incall locations.

 

Advantages of Incalls:

 

1 - Incalls normally are a bit less expensive.

 

2 - You can walk away easy if it is Bait and Switch but you have to pay for the money (on gas or fare) and time (time you spend on the road).

 

3 - There is no fine if you decide not to take the girl for whatever reason.

 

Sorry for the long response, but I think that I covered all pros and cons (that you asked for) that I could think of.

 

lionheart

[sexnonstop724 1727]

I have also seen some visiting SP advertising incalls at their hotels. Would that be some kind of a grey area vs SP own home?

[p22*** 236]

I just prefer incalls, I would not hesitate to call police. I am just giving my opition, that doesn't make it law. I didn't realize I stepped on your toes, pot of gold.

 

No harm ment...

[R******n 100]

why is an incall illegal? What is the difference that makes it illegal and an outcall not illegal?

[JoyfulC 132299]

I love having my own incall location. While plenty of outcalls take place in clean, comfortable, romantic circumstances, the fact is, many of them take place in a bed on which the sheets haven't been changed for over a week, or on the carpet in the family room, or (possibly worst case scenario) on a sofa bed! Many times, I was handed a used and slightly damp towel to clean up with. And a few times I had to skedaddle when someone came home unexpectedly. (Once I had to hide in a credenza butt naked when a client's wife dropped in with lunch unexpectedly -- that was not fun!)

 

Being in my golden years, I've treated myself to a few sweet things, like my liberator shapes and my mirrors and such. I keep my place clean and make sure I have plenty of fresh linens on hand. The sound system is only so-so, but the music is great!

 

But technically, it is illegal -- although apparently the city has decided not to enforce the law unless there are major problems. It's very difficult to explain to customers that this option is illegal when they see it happening and being advertised openly everywhere. Still, the legalities aren't my main concern. I'm discreet and selective about who my clients are, how much traffic I have and what times of day, etc., and so far, so good.

 

The overhead costs are born by the incall provider, as well. When you look at what a day rate for a decent room would cost you in Ottawa and then subtract that from the total price, it's not a bad deal for the customers.

 

I'd agree that the dangers involved in incall are the major concern from the SP's perspective. Every time you close the door behind someone new, you're taking a risk. One person here said that he wouldn't bother with incalls and would choose a bike path instead -- but he's probably not an actual robber or rapist, and so he probably doesn't think like one. The fact is, criminals aren't usually the sharpest tacks in the box. Most of them don't run out and educate themselves before going on a spree. Often their logic goes something like, "hmmm... she charges $250/hr... 40 hours a week... that's a lot!" And then, when the poor girl he has at knifepoint can't produce as much as he thinks she should, he may decide that she's holding out on him and beating or torturing her would produce results.

 

And the fact is, once that door is closed -- outcall or incall -- there's really nothing anyone else can do for you until after the fact. At least with outcall, the guy is tied to the address. That might assist a bit in bringing him to justice -- although make no mistake that going through that whole process is a form of assault all its own. Best to avoid trouble in the first place.

 

There are risks on both sides. We've all chosen to take some degree of risk, and we draw the line as each individual sees fit. I always feel that it's best when risk is balanced fairly equally between both parties. That's probably the safest situation.

 

..c..

[Capital Hunter 18263]

why is an incall illegal? What is the difference that makes it illegal and an outcall not illegal?

 

 

Do a search on "Escort Laws" (Escort Laws in Pure English). You will find everything is explained very well there.

[randy36 1078]

Interesting discussion here. I normally prefer incalls and its hard for me to believe that it will be illegal - if I am visiting an adult what's anybody's business to what so ever we may do in private.

[Love2Cum 100]

I'm on the incall bandwagon in my home city as I feel it's more discreet (which is very important for me) but outcalls are good when I'm traveling since I've already got the hotel room.

[sexnonstop724 1727]

Interesting discussion here. I normally prefer incalls and its hard for me to believe that it will be illegal - if I am visiting an adult what's anybody's business to what so ever we may do in private.

How is it different? Cash for time spent together and nothing else right?

[mod 135639]

My 2 cents...

 

First off... It's illegal because the federal law says so.... you don't need to look up a plain English version of the law as the actual law reads clear as day (Section 210 of the criminal code of Canada)

 

Link to Criminal Code on this topic

 

Bawdy-houses

 

Keeping common bawdy-house

210. (1) Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

 

 

 

Landlord, inmate, etc.

(2) Every one who

(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,

 

(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or

 

© as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,

 

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

 

 

Pretty straight forward (the Canadian laws are very loose like this)

 

A bawdy house is "a place of prostitution" if anyone was unclear about that. It is against the law to own one and against the law to be in one (even just hanging out).

 

Now my thoughts are that this law was intended for commercial building (lovingly known as whore houses by most people - like the well known red light district in Amsterdam and popular places in Nevada like the mustang ranch / bunnies ranch / etc...)

 

... so if the location is not a cesspool for drugs or really high traffic (lots of ladies working) as that would causes neighbors to complaint (and nothing like underage or sex slavery is going on - like many of the asian massage spa's that are getting raided all over Canada recently)... then most law enforcement from the look of it turn a blind eye (well until it's vote time - as that seams to stir up a need for some easy targets at times with the politicians in some cities)

 

The law and much of Canada understand that it is a needed service and it is technically more safe for the ladies to do incalls. Forcing them out of incalls would have negative effects as no mater what they do this business has been around longer then any other business and it's not about to just stop. If it's pushed underground it becomes more dangerous and police would have a much harder time getting the true criminals put away.

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I just prefer incalls, I would not hesitate to call police. I am just giving my opition, that doesn't make it law. I didn't realize I stepped on your toes, pot of gold.

 

No harm ment...

 

 

 

no harm meant,none taken....i just don't understand what exactly about my first post that u see the opposite of? And i don't think he's asking for opinions....he's asking to discuss the GOOD and BAD points of each. WHY DO U PREFER INCALLS.....what is it about outcalls you don't like? and not only from your perspective, think of it in their shoes also. I'm not "bashing" incalls, what do you think i did for the past 2 years?!?!? Wether its my preference or not, I'm tryin to help this guy by pointing out the PROS AND CONS....the good, the bad....maybe even the ugly....

[xxxAxxx 21016]

Interesting discussion here. I normally prefer incalls and its hard for me to believe that it will be illegal - if I am visiting an adult what's anybody's business to what so ever we may do in private.

 

 

unfortunately, wether u believe it or not, it's still illegal.

[d*mm*y 887]

I think Randy's point is prove it, if it is advertised and flaunted than you are asking for trouble. If there is no tangible connection to the location and activities there than it is hear say unless you ladies open the door to a by-law officer, and say the wrong thing! I believe that if you say or do nothing in the presence of the law that they cannot charge you on hearsay? I have not legal experience and certainly am not qualified to answer the questions, however it just seems that way to me? I know that there is a different part of the law dealing with solicitation and asking for the exchange is also illegal. However if you don't ask or act than no crime has been done?

[xxxAxxx 21016]

this is true to my knowledge, but in a sting scenario....who's gonna give up their cover BEFORE they catch you???

[p22*** 236]

I agree with Randy as well, and I understood it to be the same. I am quite, discreet with a clean environment, NO Drugs or Drug users ever on my premise, and I am certainly not underage...LOL

So if I keep to myself my business is my alone.

To answer Pot of Gold...

I don?t like outcalls do to personal experience (My alone).

I also feel if you are entering into a hotel, you are entering into an incall scenario, but the owners of the incall location would be hotel management.

The last thing a hotel wants is to get a complaint about a possible act of solicitation with in their walls.

Either way it comes down to personal choice, and they are risk factors involving both...

It just goes alone with the territory...

Be safe ladies, gentlemen have safe fun.

[ulixestrojan 3757]

After reading through this thread and having just experienced the delights of 4 cities in Germany, we really need to legalize prostitution. This debate is silly. Sex for pay comes in many variations. There is a market demand. It happens despite the illegalities. The main role of Government is to protect its citizenry. The best protection is licensing, medical care, pensions, and safe environments.

[c****s m********a 123]

I am more for incall, but even with 4 star hotel you dont call the front desk for clean sheet . So I make sure I choose my sp that work from home. just my opinion

[sexnonstop724 1727]

After reading through this thread and having just experienced the delights of 4 cities in Germany, we really need to legalize prostitution. This debate is silly. Sex for pay comes in many variations. There is a market demand. It happens despite the illegalities. The main role of Government is to protect its citizenry. The best protection is licensing, medical care, pensions, and safe environments.

In a way the law is also there to protect the ladies that might have been force into their current role. Agencies imports foreign workers and imprisoned them to do their biddings will have a tougher time under the current laws.

I agreed that we are free to carry out any activities paid or unpaid. But if we look deeper into this industry, some might not be free and willing.

The law give the law enforcement a leverage to protect the unwilling.

I enjoy my time with my companions, but cannot imagine someone is being forced to be with me. Making it legal is not going to help in these situation. It will only force them further underground.