For all the " gentlemen" now offering their help!

[sandimoon 72517]

In the wake of the new Ontario laws regarding drivers, security,

accountants, incall locations & other services now legal to perform for escorts,

I, & a great number of my colleagues, have been inundated with offers to perform them & from complete strangers.

E-mails, phone calls, texts.

Men have gone so far as to join sites to solicit

us their " help " with these tasks.

NO man wants us to reach out whenever we please to ask if they want to see us therefore the same rule applies to this invasive new phenomena.

If we want you, we will find you.

What exactly do you think we did a month ago to

run our businesses problem free?

Put our money under our mattresses?

Go to a call, not screen, with no back up?

Show up at a friends home to borrow their bed?

Beam ourselves to appointments?

No.

We also did not blatantly, desperately, unprofessionally harass

the gentlemen who honour us with their time,

kindness, hard earned money to garner business.

Some of us have become quite successful by smart marketing &

forging lasting relationships built on,

and I can not stress this enough,

trust & mutually respectful boundaries.

There are women all over Canada who have worked for up to 20 years

without violence, legal or logistical stumbling blocks

& did so quite well long before any Supreme Court decision.

 

So to those who feel they are now doing us a favour,

conveniently after the risk factor has been removed,

please hear this:

 

I have a financial adviser, I keep receipts OCD style.

I have a lawyer, I am aware of what I can & can not

do under the Criminal Code.

I have a photographer & am happy with my pictures.

I have a website, I advertise for myself & need no help with writing or presentation.

I have an incall with a person I have actually met.

I have a driver for outcalls when I travel further than is possible by cab.

I screen well, have a safety person & an incredible relationship with VPD.

I have a boyfriend, seriously, & even if I didn't, I have the money for a vibrator.

Most importantly,

my brain is not pushing a triple digit I.Q.,

it's pulling it on a trailer hitch.

So get an advertising account, post your services & if I am interested,

exactly the same as when a gentleman wants to visit me,

I am perfectly capable of reaching out.

Until then, please stop pestering me & escorts everywhere.

Sandi

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

This posting is very warranted.

Seems now there are some guys looking make a quick buck off us, ain't happening.

 

All the people I have entrusted with my life, my money, my security, my investments, they were all here for me before the law changed. I think I will keep those trusted people around me as long as they want to be here.

 

So, as sandimoon says, if you want me to take up your services, advertise like the rest of us!

If someone wants your service, they will ask. Don't send us unsolicited pm's.

[theliquor (Lost but not fo 50595]

Awesome response, well thought out and articulated.

Pretty good for a Tiger fan!!!!

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

I find it downright insulting!

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Tastfeulness is something an alarmingly high number of people lack. I've had to write very firm e-mails to some who have tried to entice me to hire them for various things. And I never fail to mention that pandering to strangers for business smacks of desperation and extremely poor taste. I do not suffer fools patiently.

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[Guest dame*****n09*]

Clearly these guys are watching too many movies.

[Gia Wren Marlowe 67985]

I've also found this a bit insulting. But more than that, I find that it shows extremely poor knowledge of the industry and a total lack of professionalism.

 

First, this is not a place where door to door (or inbox to inbox) solicitation is appropriate. If you are applying business models from other industries without bothering to learn what works here, you are not inspiring my confidence. It looks like trying to make a quick buck, not like someone trying to run a serious business.

 

Second, it does not take into consideration what the original poster pointed out, which is that escorts have been running successful and safe businesses for ages. To come in with complete ignorance of that, and then expect me to trust you with my safety, is ridiculous. If you know nothing about the business and yet you are so sure of yourself that you email and pm me to offer your "extremely valuable and necessary services", well, let's just say I don't take you seriously. I am in no way inspired to hire these people.

 

My impression of this has been of young men patting themselves on the back for the brilliant money-making scheme they just discovered, rather than serious business people who offer a valuable service. This is never an image you want to project. So for those offering these services, it is perfectly valid to do so, but bear in mind how you present yourself. Cold calling is a bad idea.

[billybob 20128]

Isn't this just a case of people seeing a legit business opportunity and going for it? People hustle to make money, of course they're saying they want to "help" you, that's what people who want to make money off anyone would say, regardless of who you are or how they can make money off of you.

 

I don't think you should take this as a personal insult, you're a business opportunity.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I don't think you should take this as a personal insult, you're a business opportunity.

Then, perhaps and as suggested in another post, those who are interested in offering their invaluable services to SPs should take the time to set up their business and advertise- not solicitate- like every one else does.

[MightyPen 67414]

I don't think you should take this as a personal insult, you're a business opportunity.

I thought the original post made it pretty clear that the offers were unwelcome and intrusive: "E-mails, phone calls, texts. Men have gone so far as to join sites to solicit us their 'help' with these tasks."

 

And as the OP further pointed out, every one of us on this site who is a client represents a "business opportunity" for every MA and SP here, but you don't see them inundating us with calls, texts, PMS, or profile messages offering us their "help ".

 

That something is a "business opportunity" (aka a chance to score some cash off someone) doesn't excuse thoughtless, rude behaviour. That's not being entrepreneurial; that's being a selfish dick.

 

(And yes, in this case very likely in both senses of the word.)

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Precisely! Why would I want to partner myself with someone who can't even advertise properly? It's just as bad as getting contacted by wannabe pimps.

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[etasman2000 15994]

Ladies who spam gents via PM and wall post have been known to be sanctioned and banned from cerb. I would say the same should apply to anyone spamming the ladies.

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Dammit, I can't nominate posts on my mobile! I am totally in favor of that! Rules should be applicable to everyone. Period.

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[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Of course the providers of sexual services are allowed to advertise on the forums, and for free. Providers of other services are not - so their marketing strategy must be different.

 

Rightly, no one is (theoretically) allowed to use the other Cerb tools (pms, guestbooks, etc) for cold-call soliciting.

[grendall 658]

Then, perhaps and as suggested in another post, those who are interested in offering their invaluable services to SPs should take the time to set up their business and advertise- not solicitate- like every one else does.

 

This is not true at all, I do have a company and website (nothing to do with the industry) and I do receive tons of calls and emails from other businesses that want to help me to this or that or sell me something, that has nothing to do with the fact that you are SPs or not, but just like someone said you are considered a business and this is business opportunities for them. I agree it is poor marketing and I never did nor know anyone that did signup or buy any services that way, but I guess some do has they wouldn't be as much unsolicited offer if it wouldn't pay off to a certain point.

 

What I believe frustrates you (SPs in general, not yourself specifically) is that you think they actually want something more on the side, like you would do them a favor to close the deal or something. Which is generally not the case, not that they would refuse of course, but don't assume it is unless explicitly mentioned (and then you would have a reason to get mad as it would be disrespectful to you).

 

I do understand it is frustrating, but welcome to every businesses world. I am glad I can now share this with SPs (just kidding)

[etasman2000 15994]

Of course the providers of sexual services are allowed to advertise on the forums, and for free. Providers of other services are not - so their marketing strategy must be different.

 

Providers of other services can purchase a banner.

 

Can I advertise my web design company in the forum?

No, you can purchase a banner for this. Hosting, web design, etc.. if your looking to sell something here to our members you can pay for advertising. We offer free advertising to the escorts and agencies as it helps bring other ladies here and more guys here. If you wish to advertise your product or service to our members you can purchase a banner.

 

Before the entire re-org of forums there use to be a section for business to post their offerings. Not sure if we should bring it back, however the banner rule does cover these other services.

[billybob 20128]

That something is a "business opportunity" (aka a chance to score some cash off someone) doesn't excuse thoughtless, rude behaviour. That's not being entrepreneurial; that's being a selfish dick.

 

(And yes, in this case very likely in both senses of the word.)

 

I'm not excusing the behaviour, all I'm saying is that if you are a legitimate business opportunity you are going to run into these "dicks". Do you think that other people don't get the same annoying emails, phone calls etc. ? Is there a reason why this business should be immune to unprofessional, annoying rude people who want to make a buck?

 

I don't blame the SP's for being annoyed, I think if they are being solicited by members of this site those members should be expelled. But again, it's not personal, i.e. because you are an SP, it's because people are greedy and want to make money off of you. That's all I'm trying to say.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Providers of other services can purchase a banner...

 

Yes, everyone can pay for a banner.

 

I was pointing out the difference - to those who stated that rules should apply to everyone. If the same rules did in fact apply to everone, suppliers of these services could advertise on the forums for free.

 

I believe that Cerb is intentionally built upon the idea of the same rules not applying to everyone. Which in many respects is a good thing.

[Gia Wren Marlowe 67985]

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that this is an SP-only problem. I think they're pointing out that entrepreneurs should follow the appropriate business model for the industry they are trying to enter. Coming on to a forum like this and cold call messaging service providers displays ignorance of the industry, since that is not how things are done here. So you don't present yourself as a legitimate business man when you don't seem to understand the industry. That was my point, in any case. I don't find it insulting to me as an escort, so much as I find it unprofessional.

 

I find the TONE sometimes insulting, only because they have suggested that I may be ignorant of what I'm now legally allowed to do. The irony is a bit galling. I'm also not impressed that I'm supposed to trust my safety to someone who doesn't know the business. But I understand that the insulting tone of unwanted business solicitations is not something unique to this industry. I never meant to suggest otherwise.

 

I'm not excusing the behaviour, all I'm saying is that if you are a legitimate business opportunity you are going to run into these "dicks". Do you think that other people don't get the same annoying emails, phone calls etc. ? Is there a reason why this business should be immune to unprofessional, annoying rude people who want to make a buck?

 

I don't blame the SP's for being annoyed, I think if they are being solicited by members of this site those members should be expelled. But again, it's not personal, i.e. because you are an SP, it's because people are greedy and want to make money off of you. That's all I'm trying to say.

[sandimoon 72517]

My impression of this has been of young men patting themselves on the back for the brilliant money-making scheme they just discovered, rather than serious business people who offer a valuable service. This is never an image you want to project. So for those offering these services, it is perfectly valid to do so, but bear in mind how you present yourself. Cold calling is a bad idea.

Precisely my impression too. As though they have just invented the wheel.

Every one has the right to try to build a business but the way you go about it

is equally important. In this age of internet, once you have established yourself as

less than proper in your conduct, it will follow you in perpetuity.

Isn't this just a case of people seeing a legit business opportunity and going for it? People hustle to make money, of course they're saying they want to "help" you, that's what people who want to make money off anyone would say, regardless of who you are or how they can make money off of you.

I don't think you should take this as a personal insult, you're a business opportunity.

Like MightyPen says,

so are you.

So what's your phone number?

You know, so the next time I'm short on rent, I'll just pick up the phone.:icon_wink:

Seriously though, I get what you are saying, that someone could

conceivably make money from my business.

The point is, they already do, have done for some

time now & faithfully when there was some risk to them.

My driver & incall attracted me NOT by

hitting me up with spam but by advertising on sites specific to the industry.

However none of these new generous guys showed an interest in " helping " a lot of us last month.

So the timing of it all, coupled with the erroneous assumption that

1- We are too ignorant to be aware of the new laws,

2- We need to be told how to run a business,

3- They believe we are so stupid as to trust a stranger not yet vetted with our safety,

4- They have done absolutely NO research into MY business yet feel they are somehow suited to it & entitled to have a piece of the pie.....as it were.

is why I personally find it incredibly insulting.

 

I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that this is an SP-only problem. I think they're pointing out that entrepreneurs should follow the appropriate business model for the industry they are trying to enter. Coming on to a forum like this and cold call messaging service providers displays ignorance of the industry, since that is not how things are done here. So you don't present yourself as a legitimate business man when you don't seem to understand the industry. That was my point, in any case. I don't find it insulting to me as an escort, so much as I find it unprofessional.

Exactly.

Men have gone so far as to join sites to solicit us their 'help' with these tasks."

Some of us have received PMs/Texts from brand new members.

These are not businessmen, they are not even hobbyists, they joined

for one reason only: they are opportunists.

And cowardly ones at that.

If their services were so invaluable & honourable, they

would have stepped up prior to no longer having to assume any risk.

But I understand that the insulting tone of unwanted business solicitations is not something unique to this industry. I never meant to suggest otherwise.

It isn't, unfortunately.

My post was in direct response to tacky practices industry specific & while it has been more volume since the SC decision, it sadly isn't the first time.

I have been solicited by photographers & web designers.

I politely declined as I have both.

One photographer's response was to launch into a diatribe of vile insults including

" your pictures suck ",

" At least I make my money on my feet not on my back " &

the fail safe justification for being turned down,

" You are just a dumb fat whore "

This is only a fraction of what we are often forced to endure given the life we've chosen & most of us handle it with aplomb.

We are aware when someone goes to THAT route, they are just rage-aholic idiots, it isn't about us but them & we dismiss it as such.

However, it is why, at times such as this, we become very offended when it is

assumed we are dumb bimbos with no business sense.

After a while,

enough simply becomes enough & something needs to be said.

Sandi

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

Like Sandi said their timing for expressing their expetise to help us has been soon they heard about the laws change..Duh!

I personally erase all emails sollicitating me to hire them.

VJ

[roamingguy 300292]

When the ladies are looking for drivers, they are looking for professional drivers, not someone who just has a driver's licence and car. And unwanted soliciting via pm's and emails, that isn't professional.

If you are a professional driver, advertise. If the ladies are interested in hiring you, they will. But just having a car and driver's licence, well just about everyone has a licence and vehicle, that doesn't make you professional

And on a final note, the closest I could envision providing driving services, as such, is if I had an encounter with a lady at my hotel, and it's ended I would offer and be willing to drive the lady (only if she is comfortable enough with this) back to her place be it hotel or home and save the cost of a cab. I do emphasize it would be an offer, no pressure, and no strings attached

Another rambling

RG

[Athos 108589]

I find it quite astonishing that this is going on. I've said it before, I don't know how you ladies put up with all this BS and yet are still able to even tolerate the presence of men!!

 

You all deserve a medal!!

 

Porthos

[Kate von Katz 49953]

I believe that if someone is using Cerb to advertise a service, the rules should be across the board. (Pardon the pun.) irrespective of the service itself, advertising should be limited to posts in the appropriate forums and the use of banner ads. I don't think an advertiser - whether a lady or someone offering to be a driver/security/whatever - should have two sets of rules. It doesn't make sense. If you are advertising, do it appropriately according to the rules.

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[fortunateone 156618]

This is not true at all, I do have a company and website (nothing to do with the industry) and I do receive tons of calls and emails from other businesses that want to help me to this or that or sell me something, that has nothing to do with the fact that you are SPs or not, but just like someone said you are considered a business and this is business opportunities for them. I agree it is poor marketing and I never did nor know anyone that did signup or buy any services that way, but I guess some do has they wouldn't be as much unsolicited offer if it wouldn't pay off to a certain point.

 

What I believe frustrates you (SPs in general, not yourself specifically) is that you think they actually want something more on the side, like you would do them a favor to close the deal or something. Which is generally not the case, not that they would refuse of course, but don't assume it is unless explicitly mentioned (and then you would have a reason to get mad as it would be disrespectful to you).

 

I do understand it is frustrating, but welcome to every businesses world. I am glad I can now share this with SPs (just kidding)

 

 

 

I have other work that I do, with website, advertising, etc, and I agree other companies to cold call to offer me their services. But they do this knowing that it is a wholesale company and the company accepts CCs, so they have done some research on the idea that what they have to offer is an alternative to what I already use. They want to offer a different CC processing and assure they can do it for less. They want to offer a different phone service and assure they can save me money, etc.

 

The guys sandi talks about are doing mass emails to sps, regardless of anything they have researched. Does she offer outcalls? No. Then why email her offering service as a driver. Does she already have pro pics? Then by all means, send an email with your professional expertise, website, samples, references and contact info, but don't cold call her if you are offering her photography service, show her what you can do.

 

And I don't think most sps assume these offers are to be in exchange for free sexual services. Those offers are a different thing altogether, they do come in for sure of course. The ones sandi is talking about are the ones who want to actually be paid, because now apparently living off the avails in a 'non-exploitive' way is legal or going to be legal lol.

 

So they don't have to offer service for service trades now, they can actually make a buck. Fine, fair enough, but advertise those services. IF I am looking for someone because I need those services, I will do what any client does, either post my request for suggestions or look at ads. If I am sent an unsolicited text, phone call, email or pm, I will simply hang up, delete or ignore, because I am not looking until I'm looking.