Minors arrested for human trafficking

[jg24 3707]

How can two 15 yr old girls drive someone around illeagaly I guess but come on there had to be others involved

 

 

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/11/minors-arrested-for-human-trafficking

[nntsci 11076]

I betcha that one of the girls got caught by her parents and then claimed she was forced into it by the other girls. It all sounds rather fishy.

[Athos 108589]

There might be an older boyfriend they are covering for, who was doing the driving. Since they are young offenders they likely won't face really hard consequences.

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't think there has been a case involving threats like this one, but definitely there have been charges against a 14 year old a year or so ago out in Chilliwack, BC. She was doing ads for herself, then started also booking appts for her equally young friend.

 

Charged her with living off the avails I think. I was surprised they actually charged someone that young tho.

 

http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/Shocked+that+teen+girl+charged/3871151/story.html

 

 

The detractors are always 'shocked' that there isn't some male adult behind this kind of thing. I find it a bit offensive that they assume no teen girl is capable of doing this on their own volition. A lot of teen girls want/need money for a lot of things.

[Phaedrus 209521]

The detractors are always 'shocked' that there isn't some male adult behind this kind of thing. I find it a bit offensive that they assume no teen girl is capable of doing this on their own volition. A lot of teen girls want/need money for a lot of things.

 

Yep. Absolutely. Children can be just as evil as adults when they want to be.

[spud271 47779]

All three should be tried as adults in my opinion. It's sexual slavery, and they should spend the rest of their lives in prison if found guilty...slavery is slavery, and we should not except allowing them back in to society. I am a very tolerant man, but I have zero tolerance for any form of slavery!

[Boomer 33202]

This is really disgusting. I tend to agree that they should be tried as adults and sentenced harshly as I doubt they aren't really capable of rehabilitation.

 

I know that this isn't a side of the business our members would show an interest, but this a rare time where I think the client bares some responsibility. After all these thirteen year olds are children. Any client who shows up and is introduced to a child should walk away and have the guts to report the incident to the police.

[Athos 108589]

This is really disgusting. I tend to agree that they should be tried as adults and sentenced harshly as I doubt they aren't really capable of rehabilitation.

 

I know that this isn't a side of the business our members would show an interest, but this a rare time where I think the client bares some responsibility. After all these thirteen year olds are children. Any client who shows up and is introduced to a child should walk away and have the guts to report the incident to the police.

 

Agree completely on that. The clients should be prosecuted harshly.

 

My earlier comments were not meant to diminish the "evil" that so-called children can do. I'm fully aware of that. I only meant to suggest that adults using children to shield their own criminality is a long-standing, if craven, tradition. I hope the police are looking into that possibility, cause if it's there then you can bet the next recruits are already lined up. If it's not there, which is certainly a possibility, then these girls should feel the full force of the law.

 

Porthos

[bcguy42 38594]

There might be an older boyfriend they are covering for, who was doing the driving.

 

The news reports I heard today said they were also looking for a 17-year-old girl in relation to this. I think one could safely guess she was doing the driving if anyone was. Who knows... maybe they were using OC Transpo.

[Guest ott********44]

We are not in possession of all the facts.

[toine 30556]

I respectfully dissent from the majority position.

However despicable the alleged actions are, we are talking about minors. And they are not bordeline adults aged 17, but 15 year old. Minors are not considered adults in Canadian society, for good reasons. For example, they cannot vote because they are generally considered not to have attained the required intellectual maturity.

If their alleged actions are proven in a court of law, they deserve to be punished. But they also deserve an opportunity to rehabilitate, and juvenile courts and detention centres will provide a better opportunity to do that.

The victims and society would likely not be well served by their being judged and sentenced as adults. For one thing, it would have no deterrence impact on other immature kids tempted to act in a similar fashion as, again, they would likely not have the cognitive capacity to integrate such facts in their choice of action.

Best,

toine

[Guest ott********44]

very well put toine

[Nathalie L 112512]

Here's a another article by CBC on the same case. "Teen prostitution suspect sought by police".

 

I'm not willing to say these youth had no agency and didn't know what they were doing (i.e. the 'but they're just children!' argument), but I also don't think they should receive the full force of adult sentencing and detention. I would hope, like Tonie, that there was room for rehabilitation and youth criminal justice...

[Maria Divina 2262]

If there is really not adult(s) behind those little teens,

 

Two question remind:

 

Where did they pick the idea to make that?

 

and

 

How did they have the guts to make it happened? (with all that is implicating...)

 

I am more than surprised and can't even be able to imagine it could be true...

It is out of my understanding.

[nntsci 11076]

>We are not in possession of all the facts.

 

Very true, and consider the source. Is the Ottawa Sun as reputable as the Toronto Sun?

 

I still think it all sounds fishy... sounds too much like trying to cash in on a moral panic in order to cover their own issues... Teen girls accusing other teen girls of horrible crimes is not unprecedented (e.g., Saleem Witch trials, the Satanic cults of a few year back).

 

But as was said, we don't know the details so lets not jump to conclusions.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

CTV News reports, 15 Jun 2012:

 

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120615/Ottawa-human-trafficking-teen-prostitution-120615/20120615/?hub=EdmontonHome

 

A third teenage girl has been arrested and charged in connection with an alleged prostitution ring in Ottawa.

 

Ottawa police say a 16-year-old was arrested by police in Gatineau, Que., on Thursday evening and returned to Ottawa. Police had originally thought the girl was 17.

 

She is due in court Friday afternoon to face charges of human trafficking, procuring, forcible confinement, robbery, assault and uttering threats.

 

Two 15-year-old girls have also been charged in the case. The names of the accused cannot be released under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

 

Police allege that in three incidents, the three accused lured three other girls between the ages of 13 and 17 to a home, by posting messages on social media websites.

 

The victims were then allegedly forced to go to other locations and perform sexual acts on men.

[JoyfulC 132299]

I believe teenage girls are capable of organizing something like this, but the customers would mostly be adults, no?

 

This is something I've always wondered about. Wouldn't a customer know when he's with someone who's been coerced? When someone has to be beaten and threatened into doing something, it seems to me that it would be obvious that she doesn't want to do it.

 

I always wonder what kind of customers these sexual slavery ops get. I'm pretty sure they're a whole different species from the kind that I and my fellow independents see!

 

Any person who knowingly uses the services of a sexual slave or coerced person should be charged just the same as the person(s) operating the ring.

[roamingguy 300291]

I believe teenage girls are capable of organizing something like this, but the customers would mostly be adults, no?

 

This is something I've always wondered about. Wouldn't a customer know when he's with someone who's been coerced? When someone has to be beaten and threatened into doing something, it seems to me that it would be obvious that she doesn't want to do it.

 

I always wonder what kind of customers these sexual slavery ops get. I'm pretty sure they're a whole different species from the kind that I and my fellow independents see!

 

Any person who knowingly uses the services of a sexual slave or coerced person should be charged just the same as the person(s) operating the ring.

 

My guess any adult willing to have sex with someone underage doesn't care about whether the girl was coerced or not. Frankly those customers need to be strung up by the balls, they are as bad the alleged suspects in this case.

As for being under age and driving a car. If coercing under age girls into prostitution doesn't bother them, driving under age won't bother them in the least

And as has been said before, we don't know all the facts, there are very likely details the police haven't released...both from an investigative standpoint, and from this case still needs to go to trial

As for the suspects being 15 year old girls, would people's opinion be harsher towards them if they were 15 year old boys? As for them being minors, our prisons are filled with criminals who got their start as young offenders, and continued on in their criminal lifestyle when they became adults. It's hard to fathom for most of us, some people just like the criminal lifestyle, and no amount of programs, interventions by social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists changes that

Now all of what I said comes with the caveat we don't know all the facts, nor have they been convicted in a court of law

RG

[Phaedrus 209521]

I believe teenage girls are capable of organizing something like this, but the customers would mostly be adults, no?

 

This is something I've always wondered about. Wouldn't a customer know when he's with someone who's been coerced? When someone has to be beaten and threatened into doing something, it seems to me that it would be obvious that she doesn't want to do it.

 

I always wonder what kind of customers these sexual slavery ops get. I'm pretty sure they're a whole different species from the kind that I and my fellow independents see!

 

Any person who knowingly uses the services of a sexual slave or coerced person should be charged just the same as the person(s) operating the ring.

 

Well, WIT's second-last post implies that a tip-off from a concerned client may have triggered the police involvement in the first place. Whether that's the case or not, we don't know... but to be honest, I think that's the only viable way of catching this stuff. The victims themselves generally seem far to scared to seek help.

 

Of course, if we had Swedish-style laws here, we probably wouldn't be reading about this because the concerned client would have been quite justifiably concerned about being prosecuted himself, and would therefore have remained silent. And because they'd heard nothing, the politicians would now be congratulating themselves on having eliminated the problem.

 

Yeah, right.

[toine 30556]

 

Of course, if we had Swedish-style laws here, we probably wouldn't be reading about this because the concerned client would have been quite justifiably concerned about being prosecuted himself, and would therefore have remained silent. And because they'd heard nothing, the politicians would now be congratulating themselves on having eliminated the problem.

 

Yeah, right.

 

Well, if the alleged crime is serious enough, and this one is very near the top, police will follow up on anonymous tips. So a concerned client would always have that easy way out.

Whether we believe or not in his 'watching tv and pizza' story, the man who came forward has done the right thing, however uncomfortable it may make his social life for a while.

 

Best,

toine

[fortunateone 156618]

I believe teenage girls are capable of organizing something like this, but the customers would mostly be adults, no?

 

This is something I've always wondered about. Wouldn't a customer know when he's with someone who's been coerced? When someone has to be beaten and threatened into doing something, it seems to me that it would be obvious that she doesn't want to do it.

 

I always wonder what kind of customers these sexual slavery ops get. I'm pretty sure they're a whole different species from the kind that I and my fellow independents see!

 

Any person who knowingly uses the services of a sexual slave or coerced person should be charged just the same as the person(s) operating the ring.

 

 

 

 

I imagine they like the tradeoff of low rates and young girls, so the idea she might be coerced doesn't matter to them. Look at all the guys who line up at some of the illegal sex work setups of foreign sps working illegally on tourist or student visa. The guys could care less if she wants to be there or has a huge debt hanging over her head if she does, as long as the rate is low and the service level high.

 

They see what they want to see. Someone like the guy in the story is able to see past his own genitals and realize there is more going on. So good for him to do something (tho I was wondering what the girl was wearing if he has to give her clothes, and her stuff was taken from her?)

 

The one thing maybe men and younger guys may not realize too is how really evil some teenage girls (and younger!) are. Male bullies are sometimes a lot more obvious, as so many don't want to believe a girl is capable of this stuff. But just as many young girls experience bullying, cyber harrassment, lies, rumours, intimidations, threats, and more recently, physical assaults from their peers. Sometimes from their former bffs.

 

The thing that shocks some of the male adults here doesn't suprise me at all, having been a teenage female myself. You have a small example here of what they are capable of.

 

http://teenadvice.about.com/od/violencebullying/a/girlbullies.htm

[Maria Divina 2262]

I will follow this horror story and I won't even be surprised if there will be other people implicated whom names will be out soon.

 

I am against all persecution and violence, and I really hope that people who were implicated will be front of the justice, could it be persecutors who lead that exploitation as well as "clients-persecutors" of those teens.

 

Some people are really thinking their fantasies have to come true against

the rights and the wills of others.

 

:(

[JoyfulC 132299]

In my mind, there has to be a big difference between someone who likes young girls and someone who'd see someone who is obviously being coerced. I worked when I was underaged, and while at the time, I deluded myself that the men who saw me viewed me as being mature beyond my years (um.... no!), I was never coerced, and I'm sure it's always showed, through all my years in the business, that I enthusiastically wanted to be doing what I was doing.

 

The New York Times' Nicholas D. Kristoff is a huge voice for banning certain types of internet advertising as a way to combat sex slavery and prostitution of minors. I think he's wrong. First, I think allowing (even necessitating) such operations to advertise openly give the police a break on catching them and getting them shut down. Also, I think one of the best resources the community at large has for any prostitution related problems are adult, independent prostitutes and customers. Making it more difficult for us to do our business, driving us into the shadows might make it more difficult for us, but it will serve those with criminal intentions better than open advertising would. It would create a blackmarket that those interested will get onto (just like with child pornography) but at the same time, serve to shield and hide their activities, make them more difficult to catch.