Who invented sex by the minute anyway ?

[bob54 2157]

Guess if one is short on time, sex by the minute works. But how can that be called GFE ? comon really !!

A GF doesn't look at her watch when you're together, doesn't set a meter running on your orgasms and doesn't check her phone every so often. Well an SP can become a true GFE if one is ready to pay the parking meter by the hour.

What ever happened to the 1930's clubs ? One would go in, have a few drinks, chat up the lady he likes; flirt, get hot, go to a private room have all the sex he wants, get back to the lounge, have a few more drinks; start all over again or go home. Nothing was by the minute then. One paid for the drinks and paid the lady for the session. No one looked at clocks then.

 

Ahh is it all in the movies or was it really the good old days ??

[fortunateone 156618]

Those clubs are actually illegal in Canada now afaik. The brothels in Australia, and New Zealand could give you that now, until or unless the bawdy house law gets fully overturned.

 

By the minute was invented, in my opinion, on review forums driven by clients. In the past, rates were set by services, not by time. The time would be up to the hour, but in general, you paid one amount for a hj, another for a bj, and another for FS. There was no GFE, ever, most understood the risks of risky services. If your hj was taking too long, the sp would need more $$, and the same for bj or FS lol

 

Oh, and normally you got a nice massage/rub beforehand.

 

But the guys would say that the sp tells them it is supposed to be an hour or half hour, but they didn't get that, and slowly but surely now we are all 'on the clock', and the time is more important than the service to a certain extent. time/rate combo that is.

 

I think to be honest in the past that the times quoted were actually code for the service. Like she would say 200 for a half hour and 300 for an hour, but what she meant was 200 for a bj and 300 for FS. Time had nothing to do with it. It is similar to the old asian joke of "love you long time", well it goes along with 'love you short time'. One is FS and the other is a bj.

 

In the past you didn't discuss rates for services in details on the phone, and there weren't any advertising venues that allowed for it either. People are so spoiled now, they don't even want to talk on the phone, they want everything in text or email and spoonfed the information about rates/services and details lol.

[roamingguy 300291]

Guess if one is short on time, sex by the minute works. But how can that be called GFE ? comon really !!

A GF doesn't look at her watch when you're together, doesn't set a meter running on your orgasms and doesn't check her phone every so often. Well an SP can become a true GFE if one is ready to pay the parking meter by the hour.

What ever happened to the 1930's clubs ? One would go in, have a few drinks, chat up the lady he likes; flirt, get hot, go to a private room have all the sex he wants, get back to the lounge, have a few more drinks; start all over again or go home. Nothing was by the minute then. One paid for the drinks and paid the lady for the session. No one looked at clocks then.

 

Ahh is it all in the movies or was it really the good old days ??

 

It's called GFE (girlfriend experience) because you are seeing a companion who interacts with you the way ideally a girlfriend should. I don't think anyone would consider sex by the minute, or better put the 30 minute encounter a GFE, it is a service for one purpose, to relieve sexual urges. And there is a market for it or it wouldn't be offered. But a GFE is much different. And it involves much more than sex IMHO. Personally, and just me, but seeing a lady just for relief of sexual urges would be an empty experience, but seeing a lady who provides a GFE, well it is an escape and indulgence of a few hours, with special ladies. And that isn't an empty experience, but a experience which is memorable and a fond memory too

And in my experience the GFE has turned out to be far superior to any experience I've had with any real girlfriend

My ex-girlfriend(s) it's true never checked their watch. They would go off shopping, promise to be back in half hour, and two to three hours later they would be back. Yup, never checked their watch once, or cared (why do women like shopping so much LOL) But god forbid if I would ever do that to them, I'd never hear the end of it

It's a GFE because the lady is the man's ideal version of what a girlfriend should be. It involves, not just sex, but all aspects of companionship, without the drama or strings attached like a relationship

And it has for me lasted the entire time I've requested with a lady,

never had an issue with clock watchers etc. But you do have to pay the lady's donation to get a GFE, and don't expect the clock to keep running

My experiences have been positive, I like the GFE's I've experienced and will continue to experience in this lifestyle. And the connections I've made with ladies in this lifestyle are real and memorable. The ladies are much much much more than simple providers of sex, they are companions in the true sense of the word. And it's been far superior to any girlfriend/dating experience I had...which is why I don't date anymore

And one more quick thought, at least for me, an encounter with a lady providing a GFE seems to work best if you treat her like you are her boyfriend...that for the few hours you've got together, you treat the lady like she is someone special, your girlfriend. And in my experience that has been easy, the ladies I meet are special and treated with all the respect due a girlfriend

RG

[cometman 35115]

Sex by the minute HAD to have been invented by a guy or guys. It's actually one level down from masturbation because masturbation is free. Isn't an intimate relationship supposed to be enjoyable? Gawd, gimme some laughs and relaxation. Uncomplicated fun is what life's supposed to include. I suppose if it were that easy, marriages would be the norm,not the exception.

[bob54 2157]

I believe the time complaint came out of body rubs not escort service. True, one would go for an hour body rub and get the HJ within 20 minutes and a good bye come again. Clients got pissed off and started demanding the time that was promised for the massage. This has now been fixed by professional studios and most independenants where normallly one gets what one paid for. With Escorts I recall it was different. The client laid out his expectations and the lady laid out the rate. You'd tell the lady that you wanted, for example, to sit and chat for a while, have a few drinks, get comfortable and do whatever you agree on. There was no set time limit. One talked about his expectations, figured out roughly what time it would take and the session was on a fixed price. Iits time ran out naturally without looking at watches. The by the service $$ mostly happened with in calls for a specific HJ, BJ or FS.

 

Guess one has to wait for brothels in Canada, travel to Australia or join CMJ.

[Guest]

I think getting paid in 30min or 60min intervals is a fair assessment. It gives both parties an amount of time to work in and is fair for the gentlemen and the ladies. Some gentlemen only have time for 30min. The gentleman knows that the lady will be gone in about 30min and he can go on with his day without worrying about have to kick the lady out. Also some gentleman who didn't have that time frame would take advantage of that and stay as long as they possibly could. How is it being a gfe to be demanding more money, some guys would argue that it was all inclusive and that could cause problems for the sp's. Most of my clients know how long they want and they pay me beforehand. These to me are just guidelines that help things run a bit smoother for both sp's and the clients. We both leave feeling like it was a mutually beneficial arrangement.(to me anyways) If the club was legal that would be great because you are dealing with girls and not just one individual. I still see the value of getting paid for the work you put in even in a club setting. So that again it is a mutually beneficial arrangement.

 

Great point Roamingguy. Gfe is a style of service the client receives. The time a clients spends with a sp is the time frame in which you have to work with. Gfe is just a relaxed friendly service. You are treated like a boyfriend for the duration of your session. You are greeted at the door by whomever you choose, you can have a lovely conversation or catch up and clock watching is done in a discreet manner. Rather than just having intercourse right away, it is more intimate. As I stated in the first paragraph the time frame just allows everyone to have a mutually beneficial experience.

[roamingguy 300291]

Gfe is a style of service the client receives. The time a clients spends with a sp is the time frame in which you have to work with. Gfe is just a relaxed friendly service. You are treated like a boyfriend for the duration of your session. You are greeted at the door by whomever you choose, you can have a lovely conversation or catch up and clock watching is done in a discreet manner. Rather than just having intercourse right away, it is more intimate. As I stated in the first paragraph the time frame just allows everyone to have a mutually beneficial experience.

 

I would add to what you said Peachy that a client looking for a GFE has to be willing to compensate the lady for her time and want to spend time with her, and for more than sex. And it takes time to have that relaxed friendly service, a thirty minute encounter isn't enough time. But it requires both the client as much as the lady to want to spend the time having conversation, catching up and so on. And for me at least, at least, the time spent getting to know one another, well, sexual intimacy is far more enjoyable with a lady you have got to know, rather than an anonymous one you see to relieve your urges. That's my opinion only

RG

[Guest jrose]

As a newbie / rookie to the hobby I have to say I have at time been a little overwhelmed. Betwen all the ladies in the various cities I travel to (I think if I even end up in Ottawa or Toronto my head will be spinning) we also have to factor in who like what, what you are looking for, different donations, all the short hand for different services, etc etc etc.

 

But sex by the minute? That bring visions of meters in the room, like in a cab, tracking things down the second. I noticed many reviews point out SP's that are not clock wathers and I think that's a good thing - as a newbie to the hobby I would hate to start out now if things are moving more to the TIME rather then the experience.

 

While of course we should apperciate time limits, if we as gents go into encounter with that virtual clock over our heads counting down, it's going to be reflected in the encounter, and lessen the enjoyment. That's not to say it should be ignored completly , but if you're in the middle of the encounter and you are focusing on the clock you are robing both yourself and the lady you are with. Sure, be aware of the time, but don't make it the main attention holder. Things become too mechanical - god, I have been getting a BJ for 5 minutes, time to change to this for 3 and that for 6......

 

Wow, that was a rant... T'was a long week...

[Guest]

I would add to what you said Peachy that a client looking for a GFE has to be willing to compensate the lady for her time and want to spend time with her, and for more than sex. And it takes time to have that relaxed friendly service, a thirty minute encounter isn't enough time. But it requires both the client as much as the lady to want to spend the time having conversation, catching up and so on. And for me at least, at least, the time spent getting to know one another, well, sexual intimacy is far more enjoyable with a lady you have got to know, rather than an anonymous one you see to relieve your urges. That's my opinion only

RG

 

I will have to both agree with you about the 30min option and also disagree with you. I was a bit hesitant to offer the 30min option because I want to attract clients who are generally interested in the gfe style service. After thinking about it for a while I decided to offer half an hours.

 

With regular clients who usually spend a good amount of time it could be a fun quicky and a fun change of pace. It is also a great idea for new clients to try as well because of not knowing about the chemistry.

 

My style of service never changes even if it is 30mins. I'm still friendly, I still try to offer a great service. It's just that I have less time to offer my service in. I do not change because I have less time. I still have a gfe style. That being said I still prefer longer sessions.

 

Sometimes 30min sessions do attract the type of clients who do not want intimacy or the gfe style experience. They just want a quick release. I can understand that too to a certain point. I still keep my friendly gfe style.

 

It is harder to have gfe style in the 30min frame because it is so fast paced but definitively doable because gfe is a style of service, an attitude the sp offers, the way a sp greats the client at the door and it is not uncommon for half an hour guys to extend to full hours.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Sure, be aware of the time, but don't make it the main attention holder. Things become too mechanical - god, I have been getting a BJ for 5 minutes, time to change to this for 3 and that for 6......

 

I had one guy say to me last week looking at his watch, "Well, I was here for 28 minutes, how about going one more round?" With 2 minutes left are you kidding me? Were you looking at your clock while doing it? Haha. And by the time he stopped complaining about it being only 28 minutes, the time was up. How about I alarm my clock and the buzzer goes off as soon as the person finishes to completion? What a way to kill the mood whether it's the SP or client doing it.

 

For many guys who partake in seeing women in this business, anything to do with time or companionship or just seeking out some company in general along with a good roll in the hay has completely gone out the window. Now many ladies are seen more than ever as a mechanical machine for oral sex or a blowup doll. Or some are just so fixated on a specific act that they just want to focus on that and they're done. It's all so impersonal. In and out you go.

 

I think next time I will only accept the "Love you long time" half hour plus type clients. I can offer a very good GFE session in a half hour or more and if one thinks they can get a gfe in under 20 mins, they are deluding themselves. If someone wants to treat me like a blowup doll "No GFE for you!"

[roamingguy 300291]

I will have to both agree with you about the 30min option and also disagree with you. I was a bit hesitant to offer the 30min option because I want to attract clients who are generally interested in the gfe style service. After thinking about it for a while I decided to offer half an hours.

 

With regular clients who usually spend a good amount of time it could be a fun quicky and a fun change of pace. It is also a great idea for new clients to try as well because of not knowing about the chemistry.

 

My style of service never changes even if it is 30mins. I'm still friendly, I still try to offer a great service. It's just that I have less time to offer my service in. I do not chance because I have less time. I still have a gfe style. That being said I still prefer longer sessions.

 

Sometimes 30min sessions do attract the type of clients who do not want intimacy or the gfe style experience. They just want a quick release. I can understand that too to a certain point. I still keep my friendly gfe style.

 

It is harder to have gfe style in the 30min frame because it is so fast paced but definitively doable because gfe is a style of service, an attitude the sp offers, the way a sp greats the client at the door and it is not uncommon for half an hour guys to extend to full hours.

 

I was speaking more for myself in that comment. If I am seeing a lady for an encounter, be it for the first time or for a repeat, I want to spend time with her beyond the bedroom. I can't envision myself driving anywhere from 2 1/2 hours to 4 hours (I live in smalltown Ontario,) to see a lady for a quick 30 minutes. Mind you I couldn't see the purpose of driving across town if I lived in a big city for a 30 minute date. But I emphasize, that's me. Nothing wrong with 30 minute encounters, but it's not what I'm looking for. I want to spend time catching up, conversation and socializing, to me that is part of the intimacy and escape. For me just a 30 minute date I just couldn't see me doing it. Hope that makes a bit more sense

RG

[cat 262460]

Old school rules, you or the time up bell, which ever came first. Today, providers and clients use time as a way to gauge value for dollar and quality of experience. It's really quite simple, just clarify with your provider upfront what is more important, sog's or quality of experience.

Like Nikki, if you treat a woman like a blowup doll, that's exactly what you are going to get. As an agency girl I gave a demon grudge fuck when I had been disrespected by a client's attitude. You get back exactly what you give...

cat

[billybob 20128]

What ever happened to the 1930's clubs ? One would go in, have a few drinks, chat up the lady he likes; flirt, get hot, go to a private room have all the sex he wants, get back to the lounge, have a few more drinks; start all over again or go home.

 

I've never been to the Brothels in Nevada, but I assume it works similar to what you are saying. Of course you'd have to pay for every round, but I assume you did in the 30's too, one way or another :)

[bob54 2157]

Clients that go for a blow up doll would probably have no issues with 30 minutes or less. Those that are looking for a GFE are more than likely to have more time on their hands. The portrayal of GFE as a style of service envisions a friendly get together followed by intimacy; which is great. The issue is the clock hanging over the session. It appears that both clients & SP's show preference to getting social before getting intimate. The question is if this is the preference, why stick to the clock ? is it because the lady has a backed up client lineup she needs to mechanically GFE handle ? Hates what she's doing and can't wait untill the bell rings to get out of the session ? or its just that she has to cut out the fun because of some business principal that SP's believe is the right thing to do ? As far as chatting is concerned; That may go on for hours. Any party to a conversation can direct both its duration and its orientation. The SP can get the client to bed. Once in bed, how many orgasms can a client really have back to back to make the clock an abseloute necessity ?

[2bigalow2 2936]

1-999 operators and chat lines invented it and the internet took it over

[roamingguy 300291]

Clients that go for a blow up doll would probably have no issues with 30 minutes or less. Those that are looking for a GFE are more than likely to have more time on their hands. The portrayal of GFE as a style of service envisions a friendly get together followed by intimacy; which is great. The issue is the clock hanging over the session. It appears that both clients & SP's show preference to getting social before getting intimate. The question is if this is the preference, why stick to the clock ? is it because the lady has a backed up client lineup she needs to mechanically GFE handle ? Hates what she's doing and can't wait untill the bell rings to get out of the session ? or its just that she has to cut out the fun because of some business principal that SP's believe is the right thing to do ? As far as chatting is concerned; That may go on for hours. Any party to a conversation can direct both its duration and its orientation. The SP can get the client to bed. Once in bed, how many orgasms can a client really have back to back to make the clock an abseloute necessity ?

 

No , the clock as it is phrased, just means that is the allotted time you paid for to have an encounter, irrespective of it being a 30 minute session, a gfe, social time etc. The fact of the matter there is a time limit no matter what type of encounter you are seeking. When time is up, the encounter is over. And I've had many wonderful GFE's with ladies, nothing mechanical at all with them. But the encounter was over when time was up. And the time up doesn't mean the lady has a backed up client list, nor does it mean she hates what she is doing. It means she gets compensated (remember, this is her job, her livelihood)

for her time. If you want time with a lady, no clock, get married. But this lifestyle, you pay, usually an hourly rate.

Sorry, your post really makes no sense to me, sounds like you expect, and maybe I'm reading your post wrong, the time to run on and on irrespective of how much of a donation you paid. You pay for a certain set amount of time, that's all the time with the lady you should expect.

And how will the lady know when the allotted time is up without a clock/watch. Or do you expect her to stay longer with you for free

RG

[aubreyxxx 20240]

I agree with RG - it seems as if this is why there is a time frame involved because if not there would be certain individuals who would EXPECT us to stay for any amount of time and never be fully satisfied with the experience.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Hahaha I feel a rigid, non-mechanical, non-gfe, inflatable experience coming on for some if this keeps up lol

Hopefully, it doesn't blow in the wind after the first try ;)

[bob54 2157]

Having been around the hobby for sometime; There are those ladies who appear to enjoy the time they spend with their clients while there are those who focus on the clients wallet and the clock on the wall.

 

No one is advocating taking advantage of a lady nor expecting not to pay for time and experience. However, breaking a GFE encounter or expediting a massage session for no other reason than that the bell rang is to say the least ludicrous.

 

Will 15 or 20 minutes past the bell break the 10 commandmants of the SP business ? There are times when a client is finished in 45 minutes and doesn't ask for a 15 minute refund. There are those SP's that spend an extra 15 minutes and don't ask for extra pay. These are the kind of people who enjoy their encounters. As suggested in this post, inflatable dolls may better serve clock watchers.

[JoyfulC 132299]

To me, GFE means once I get paid, I put the money aside and treat the guy like someone I'm meeting for an intimate encounter. Whether it be for a 30-minute "quickie" or a multi-hour session.

 

Rates have to be based on something, and I prefer basing mine on time. I never liked that old-school way of getting the guy off and getting him gone. That sucks for repeat business. Rather, I like to know how long a session is going to be, and then try to plan things so that we use up pretty much the whole session having fun. If I watch a clock at all during a session, it's likely to be for help with pacing things.

 

To me, it's like going out to eat. If I only have an hour for lunch, I might hit a local deli or someplace with a lunch buffet, like Pigale. But if I have a whole evening and plan to dine with friends, I might make a reservation at some upscale place that provides a little time for conversation in between courses. And if I'm planning a big party? I might even rent a hall and have it catered.

 

I would note that, back in the 1930s, women lived a very different reality than they do now. The very best most women could hope for was to be a second class citizen, and the women who worked in types of joints the OP described would have been thrilled to be able to access second class citizenry. Yes, it's true. Today women have the nerve to expect to be paid a fair wage for their services. That must suck for men who look back fondly on times of less equality. But I'm pretty happy about it!

 

Additional Comments:

Will 15 or 20 minutes past the bell break the 10 commandmants of the SP business ? There are times when a client is finished in 45 minutes and doesn't ask for a 15 minute refund. There are those SP's that spend an extra 15 minutes and don't ask for extra pay. These are the kind of people who enjoy their encounters. As suggested in this post, inflatable dolls may better serve clock watchers.

 

It depends on the session. If the customer insisted on a 30-minute session, then yes, going 15 or 20 minutes over is a serious matter. It means he should have booked a lengthier session. If this happens once, it can be excused as a mistake. But when someone consistently tries to book a 30-minute session, knowing full well that he's more likely to be around 45 minutes to an hour, then he's intentionally trying to get more time for less money.

 

As for the guy who takes an hour session and finishes in 45, it's up to the SP if she wishes to give him a refund. She may, if she wants him to repeat. Or she may be taking note and seeing how she could prolong things to last the full hour if she has another opportunity. In any event, the customer did book an hour session with her.

 

I don't see the correlation with enjoying one's work. I think most of the people I see would agree that I have no problem with thoroughly enjoying myself. But I don't think I should be put on the spot to prove that by being willing to give free time. I don't think too many other service professionals who based their rates on time would appreciate it either.

 

In an ideal world. we'd meet and just enjoy ourselves, and afterwards, look at the clock and settle up. Unfortunately, many clients are on a budget and have already decided what to spend. Unless we're going to adopt a "just pay us whatever you want to" approach, we have to base our rates on something. I base mine on time.

[misternaughty 316]

Thought I might toss a brace of coppers (the coins) on this discussion. I'm old enough to remember the fee for service type of pay structure and young enough to not remember it fondly at all. The song, "Trick of the Light", by the Who, might illustrate what I'm thinking of better than I can.

 

I'm fairly new to cerb and have had no prior experience with the whole idea of GFE. I must say that the recent encounters I've had can't be compared to previous experience. Just the knowledge that I have the entire time that I paid for, to relax and enjoy the company of a beautiful woman, makes every minute, of any activity, well worth the price. None of that "over and out", "blow and go" business, that if you think about it, is just kind of tacky.

 

There's also the possibility that a lady might choose to spend some of her own time with the client. I've experienced this and I have to say that it does wonders for my poor old sense of self-esteem. The gratitude I feel defies any measure and every second of that time is precious beyond price.

[bob54 2157]

Yes, one has to distinguish between SP's who behave like inflatable dolls that blow and go and those that are personable and enjoy what they do. Best thing is to read the reviews and chat on the phone before one commits to the meeting and the cash.