Any MA that offer bbbj?

[Guest realnicehat]

Your statement is noble..yes...but what kind of a knob would actually go to a spa, enjoy an oral finish, if the connection led to that...all this behind a closed and locked door, and then call the owner and report her?

The comparison using a drunken driver that might kill or maim another is, I feel, not nearly on the same level.

Sorry...I am just finding this thread a tempest in a tea pot, and while you may say I am not taking the LE implications seriously enough, I am finding it a way over the top with an imperious air where others will decide what's good or not good for me.

If oral gets going, then I guess the client can always say no if they are on a higher moral horse than I.

As well if it gets offerred as an extra for extra $, it can also be declined by those who disapprove.

Otherwise, I subscribe to "Live and Let Live" in this case.

 

The tempest in a teapot threads are the most fun. And besides, what the hell else would I do with a teapot?

 

Honestly Hector, I don't care how or where you get your dick wet. If you are in a spa, "behind a closed and locked door", and the attendant puts your junk in her mouth then good for you, glad you had a great time. As long as you know that what is happening is illegal, and are willing to accept the consequences should things go sideways, you go ahead and do what you like.

 

At no point did I make any moral judgements about what activities should or shouldn't take place. My concern, as a business owner, is the right to know if one of your employees is doing something against company policy that could put your entire business at risk.

 

I once had an employee drinking on the job. Some people knew but kept their mouths shut, I guess they were the "real men". I didn't find out until I was called by a client to remove him from a job site. My clients customer was the one who happened upon my employee drinking, causing significant embarrassment for the client. In the end I had to fire a man and lost a client but it could have been so much worse.

 

Personally, I think a spa owner has the right to know if their livelihood is being put in jeopardy and clients should have the right to insulate themselves from prosecution. If they are at a spa, under the impression that what they are receiving is above board, then shouldn't they be free to express concern to management if they feel that they are being put at risk?

 

Was my drunk driver comparison over the top? Maybe, but I was following an Al Pacino clip. You can't follow Pacino with Ed Begley Jr., you have to go big.

[Hector17 9215]

Honestly Hector, I don't care how or where you get your dick wet. If you are in a spa, "behind a closed and locked door", and the attendant puts your junk in her mouth then good for you, glad you had a great time. As long as you know that what is happening is illegal, and are willing to accept the consequences should things go sideways, you go ahead and do what you like.

 

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Just to clarify...I never said in my thread that I personally was experiencing..

 

"the attendant puts your junk in her mouth "

 

Your take of what may go on, and what possibly some Mas' do is interesting .

[2Legit 250]

That is quite a passionate speech from a great movie but if you're going to try and prove your point with a video clip perhaps you should choose something that everyone hasn't seen.

 

Yes, Pacino is standing proud and speaking loud, hooah, defending young Charlie and his right not to incriminate his friends but if you walked away from that movie thinking the moral of the story is "don't be a rat" then maybe you should sit down and watch it again.

 

If you are on the road and see what you clearly believe is a drunk driver ahead would you report it in the hope of getting him/her off the road or would you be a "real man" and mind you own business? It's not your fault if someone gets hurt right?

 

Worst case, you're wrong, and the drivers time is wasted while the police investigate but if they hadn't been driving like a jackass they wouldn't be in this situation. Best case, the driver is off the road no longer putting others at risk.

 

It isn't much different with the spa attendant. If she's done nothing wrong then she has nothing to worry about. I'm sure no reputable Spa owner is going to fire a girl over one complaint. On the other hand, if she is refusing to follow the spa's rules and puts others at risk she should be removed.

 

I would applaud anyone who speaks up with the intention of protecting others, especially when they know rules are being broken that could lead to very serious consequences. Sometimes there are more important things that worrying about how you are labelled.

 

You are making a few very valid points. Maybe the moral of the story in that movie wasn't that but something else, such as overcoming issues in life.

 

However I also see it another way, for not informing the proprietor about a bbbj: Who am I to attempt to limit the income of a girl who wants to make some extra money from a few more tips? Especially in this dreadful microcosmos hobby economy where I have seen girls who hurt financially? Plus, if the owner him/herself is so incompetent NOT to have controls to prevent that from happening, why should I do his/her work? So, yes, bbbj's at massage parlors are dead wrong but my motivations for not ratting on others are driven by liberal beliefs, not mafia or prison beliefs and God forbid not by some out of touch with reality, conservative beliefs (which by the way are as fucked up - pardon my french - as they appear).

 

Besides, and I guess this isn't the topic of this thread, I have always wondered why do guys go to these places? When for a few more dollars can visit or be visited by one of the fine SPs that Ottawa has, and advertise here. Trust me, most are spectacular, great ladies in body and soul and very reasonably priced, and can blow your socks off - no pun intended :D . But I guess that is off-topic in this thread.

[Guest realnicehat]

You are making a few very valid points. Maybe the moral of the story in that movie wasn't that but something else, such as overcoming issues in life.

 

However I also see it another way, for not informing the proprietor about a bbbj: Who am I to attempt to limit the income of a girl who wants to make some extra money from a few more tips? Especially in this dreadful microcosmos hobby economy where I have seen girls who hurt financially? Plus, if the owner him/herself is so incompetent NOT to have controls to prevent that from happening, why should I do his/her work? So, yes, bbbj's at massage parlors are dead wrong but my motivations for not ratting on others are driven by liberal beliefs, not mafia or prison beliefs and God forbid not by some out of touch with reality, conservative beliefs (which by the way are as fucked up - pardon my french - as they appear).

 

Besides, and I guess this isn't the topic of this thread, I have always wondered why do guys go to these places? When for a few more dollars can visit or be visited by one of the fine SPs that Ottawa has, and advertise here. Trust me, most are spectacular, great ladies in body and soul and very reasonably priced, and can blow your socks off - no pun intended :D . But I guess that is off-topic in this thread.

 

Wow, there are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.

 

What kind of controls would you suggest a spa owner have in place to ensure that an attendant follow the rules when behind closed doors? Short of installing cameras (that would be great for business) all that they can do is hire as carefully as they can. At some point you have to trust that the people who work for you will follow company policy. You can't get anything done if you're always looking over someones shoulder. After that, unfortunately in this industry, you are dependent on client feedback and offering honest feedback, even if negative, does not make one a rat.

 

If the hobby economy is as bad as you state, is it fair of these ladies, who are trying to earn more through "extras", to put all of the other employees at risk? How many people could end up out of a job if a spa gets shut down because she was trying to earn a little cash on the side? How many ladies could end up walking away from a job that they really need because they are tired of being pressured by clients to provide extras? How many guys could be "found in" because LE's attention was drawn to the spa after someone dropped a name in a "who provides bbbj" thread?

 

It's interesting that the two guys currently making the most noise in this thread don't actually go to Spas. I guess we've taken things a little off track huh? But what you see as potentially limiting the income of one I see as threatening the income of many.

[Phaedrus 209521]

However I also see it another way, for not informing the proprietor about a bbbj: Who am I to attempt to limit the income of a girl who wants to make some extra money from a few more tips?

 

And what of the interests of the spa's owner, who loses the entire business if it's shut down by LE? What of all the other MAs who are suddenly out of a job through no fault of their own? What of the unfortunate client who, despite never having asked for or received anything more than a normal MA session, happened to be there when the place was raided?

 

The MA at a spa who offers BJ/FS puts all these people at risk every time she does so, whether or not she stops for a moment to think about it. I have no doubt that the spa owners explain this to their MAs; I have equally little doubt that some MAs are more concerned with their own short-term financial gain than the long-term viability of the spa they work at.

 

Especially in this dreadful microcosmos hobby economy where I have seen girls who hurt financially? Plus, if the owner him/herself is so incompetent NOT to have controls to prevent that from happening, why should I do his/her work?

 

So an owner who can't control this is incompetent? I really don't get that. What controls do you think a competent owner should put in place? Do you want to be supervised during your massage? Would you prefer cameras in the rooms? If neither of these, what do you suggest?

[mod 135639]

Don't feed the trolls. These comments are obviously trying to provoke a reaction as you can clearly see the replies are intended to invoke emotions and cause drama. Hurting a ladies income when she is risking the guys livelihoods (who get caught in a bawdy house when its raided) and the spa's business and the other ladies as well... Its easy to see when a comment like that is just trying to make people upset. Some people get off on doing this, best to just ignore or report them.

[Ashley Ann 75247]

Yes, it's not only repeating threads. So many massage attendants have to explain multiple times a day that they do not provide blow jobs or extras.

 

If a gentleman wants to enjoy full service activities, he should pay full service prices and find full service providers.

 

Since I also offer MA services too, I thought I would chime in....

 

Clearly there are some MA ladies who offer more than HJ's.

 

 

I have recently lowered my massage rates, to cater to the HJ/massage type of guy. Well....I had to get really specific in one my ads (in the escort section of course ) to state that a massage , HJ and light touching is permitted, but not digits/daty and cbj....since many cerb members contacted me regarding my massage services asking for the items that are more suited for a GFE.

 

 

At least once a day, (mind you I also advertise elsewhere too) -I am asked if my massage services comes with a bbbj-cim-daty.

[Royalfun 55448]

I just want to bring my comments to this thread.

 

When I chose to begin this hobby, and I want to thank CERB for that, I valued a lot the values of safety, discretion and in some ways the ethics of the providers that advertize on CERB.

 

The last thing I want to experience with this hobby is being put in a situation where my life, my job and my reputation would be compromised by some people that don't care about safety.

 

We fight against BBFS,, we fight for any unsafe sexual practices,we fight for discretion either from the providers and the hobbiests, we fight against "bait and switch", we shoudl also fight against any other behaviour that put us at risk; and a MA working in a Spa that offers FS or BJs is putting us at risk.

 

I'm not a saint, and when I go to a spa, the emotions of the moment, (let's say that sometimes we think with our penises...) the temptation is real; even "the risk" can be tempting. But in front of judge, when the Ottawa Citizen will talk about the Johns, and your name is on the list, I'm sure that regrets will rise, and the point of no return has been passed. Too late.

 

I appreciate the spas that seems very rigourous about the limits of what the MA can offer, and I have experienced that they stick to it; discretion and safety are the main reasons for me to use their services. Au contraire, when I learned that some MA in some spas offers "more", and I wont even think to get there; for me, these spas are like a mine field where it can explodes in my face any time. I'm a promoter of safe sex, and safe sex is not only a health issue. Why we would put our life and safety at risk when it can be prevented?

 

There are son many possiblities in this business, there are so many indies that offer a range of high quality services in a clear and safe environment, that I don't see any reason to take a risk to ask and get a service that would be illegal.

 

If my expectations is to get the full service, I wont go to a Spa. Period.

 

And if ever, I would hope to have a more extended service, I would ask if the provider offers outcalls.

[Guest]

I also find this thread and this thread eye opening too. I guess I was sheltered and worked in a place were blow jobs and or full service was not permitted and I assumed that was the norm.(my mistake) If it was permitted no ma I worked with came out and said that she did "extra services" and it must have been kept really hush, hush. L.O.L, I actually remember a common phrase at the place I worked at, "no sucking and no fucking." I don't know if the place I worked at has the same standards or not but I could understand why they enforced those rules.

 

 

I'm not against people having their blow jobs. As a matter of fact giving and taking oral can be the best part of a session. I should have said that blow jobs should not be expected by ma's instead of ma's do not provide this service. However, I agree with everything that has been said about spas and receiving "extras" not because I'm against blow jobs or full service but because it just makes sense to me. If an independent ma wants to give a blow job, that's her prerogative and that's your prerogative to enjoy that service, have fun!!! Also some ma's provide out calls, what you do in your home is your business, enjoy.

 

 

I think this thread is informative to say the least.

[Sensual Erin 33898]

I have to admit that I get asked this question more and more these days. I'm aware that as an independent we can do what we want, but I do not appreciate the insistence or the handful I have to occasionally deal with in person after I have made myself clear before we meet. If a provider tells you she offers manual massage only, please don't see her anyway thinking she may change her mind. It's troublesome to be in an appointment with someone that does not understand the services that are outlined very clearly beforehand. The kicker is when I'm told who does.. My question back is why are you here and not with that person? To try to deceive is terrible and I sincerely feel the art of erotic massage has been lost in this grey area.

[rexscott 520]

I do consider this question closed as to what and what not to expect during a massage, but I am honestly confused by one thing.

 

BJ's of any kind are said to be discouraged at MP's because they are illegal in that venue and would cause trouble for the owners/etc.

 

But wouldn't HJ's be considered as illegal as BJ's?

[bcguy42 38594]

But wouldn't HJ's be considered as illegal as BJ's?

 

A strict interpretation of the laws that make BJs illegal in certain circumstances would also view HJs as illegal. But realistically speaking no one cares.

[CMJ 14869]

L.O.L, I actually remember a common phrase at the place I worked at, "no sucking and no fucking."

 

 

HAHAHAHA oh how I miss you...

[CMJ 14869]

I think this thread is great - and I am so glad there are many people who get it and see the entire picture. Its about more then the moment, or thrill of getting a lady to break house rules, or encouraging a staff member to do whatever it takes to retain the client. One bad apple spoils the bunch as they say...

[Hastings56 1148]

I agree with loneskater.....In other words Trying for a cheap deal!!!!!.....And I must say that I learned a long time ago that cheaper isn't necessarily better Guys!

Just say'in.........

[ZugZug 1474]

As mentioned above, trying to get a MA to break the rules not only may ruin the reputation, but it could also result in the police stepping in. And I am quite certain that no-one wants that.