SP seeking advice from other SPs

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I'd like to start off by saying that I am not giving in to the Bill C-36 fear-mongering that seems to be going on a lot. Progress is described as a "positive" thing, and cannot occur without change.

That being said, I'd like to quickly mention that I hate this bill and the horse it rode in on.

Moving forward... SPs like myself who very openly advertise a "menu" will need to change our methods of operation should this bill become law. Fine. I don't like it, but it is what it is...

 

I would now like to address the SPs who DON'T advertise this way.

 

What kind of advice or tips can you provide in terms of how to now word our ads so that the intention is clear, but wouldn't be breaking any laws? I get the whole "time for money" thing... and just because I don't operate that way doesn't mean you shouldn't! But, I personally believe that I sell SEX. I just happen to sell it in the form of timed quantities, which up until now was perfectly legal. How can we express our restrictions, etc? I do not plan to converse with gentlemen at all about "services offered" (if) once this bill passes, and I see this as problematic simply because in my personal experience, about 80-90% of hobbyists have very specific questions in regards to what they can or cannot do during a session.... I need to get my ducks in a row so to speak and any help on the matter is appreciated much!!!

[EmilyRushton 253346]

Your advertising should reflect you and the more descriptive words the better.

 

"Money is being exchanged for time or time and companionship".

 

While I don't know what type of dates you offer, the following is a suggestion:

 

Wild, adventurous and Intense could be used to describe a hot pse style date.

 

Sensual, romantic, and gentle could be used for a gfe style date. Put the word safe anywhere in there and you have a safe gfe date.

 

Basically a visually descriptive paragraph describing you and the time together, more is better in this case for what you write. It is about getting people to read between the lines, yet being clear so they get it.

 

I suggest, start with the highlights about you and then get more visually descriptive as you start writing about the date you offer. Think about your best asset and go from there. Once you start writing it does get easier.

 

I hope this helps.

 

xoxo

Emily

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

I've always hated those asking me "what they are going to get for their money". I am not the sum of bj+daty+intercourse=me/$. Sorry, but I'm a feminist at heart. I am much more then that.

 

I'm taking the stance that my reputation speaks for itself. There are those that have met me, know I know how to rock their world.

 

So, I will not discuss specifics anymore. What I do with one guy, might not work with the next. So, they can see me on my terms. If they need specifics, they need to move on. I'm willing to loose out, to see those that understand we as women are not the sum of our parts.

 

Would a first time blind date on pof ask ahead what they are going to get at the end of the date? Of course not. He can hope, dream, but at the end of the day, ymmv.

 

So i suggest your recos, stories, titles work better. Guys need to read between the lines. If they need to be spoon fed, they need to go back to preschool.

 

Look at USA sites. How do they advertise. Take your cues from them.

 

I am taking this opportunity to market myself the way I want. I no longer let clients make me put myself in a position of having to promise something I am not sure I want to provide. It's like the guy who wants daty, and shows up with a full blown beard that's stubble. It's not fun, and if I promised it ahead of time, how do I now say no? Guys that know me, know I'm a greedy slut to good daty, but if it's crappy, why would I want to continue?

 

So, I've said it before. I'm not worried. I'm not the one who is in danger of being arrested. The guys are the ones that need to change how they choose. I'm going to continue rocking the world of those that seek me out. Just taking back my power in this dynamic.

[roamingguy 300291]

I learned (well taught by a certain lady ;-) )early in my newbie days that seeing ladies was not about the sum total of menu items she offers...it was about the companionship a lady provides. In fact most of the ladies I see now do not even have a menu of services. And I don't even ask about the lady's menu (if she has one) when booking a date. There is so much more to a date with a lady

Whatever happens in an encounter is private, and unfolds naturally, not to a prearranged script

This has been my experience and dating life with professional companions since learning there is much much more to seeing ladies than the sum total of her menu (if she has a menu) And this is pre C36

That said, all of us, SP's and Clients alike know about C36 and it's restrictions. But contrary to MacKay's delusion this lifestyle will continue.

Offer time and companionship as an escort. But not as sex provider, prostitute well you get the idea. No discussion of sex for money, or is that money for sex

It's means changing practices. But what happens privately, well that's no one's business but yours and your client's. The ones who adapt will continue on in this lifestyle, those that can't adapt, they're the ones who may find trouble with C36

A rambling for what it's worth from a client who reads lady's websites ;-)

 

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

I've never posted a list of services, and never posted rates for such services. The closest i've ever gotten was on a more permissive escort ad site where i put down what I do not provide, such as bbbjs, quickies for example.

 

sps never used to post ads with menus, it would be considered against the law for the longest time, misinterpreted as public solicitation, and correctly interpreted as admission of an illegal bawdy house (INCALLs), and we got along just fine until the internet and the less informed advdertisers started up with complete menus, options, times/rates, etc.

 

it has gotten to the point that sps without menus/rates/times would be penalized by certain types of clients for making them make a phone call to ask about the rates lol. so they don't call anyone without the info.

 

i am waiting to see what those types of control freaks are going to do in the future if all advertisers go under the assumption that posting services in ads are forbidden.

 

The conflict here is that it would not be illegal to post all that info, as an sp you can advertise your own sexual services. The confusion is running towards what effect doing so could potentially have on clients who contact your ad. Realistically, I can't see any enforcement policies that could possibly be applied to take your ad and link it to a certain client in order to charge him with something. However, the common consensus is that it will or could be, therefore the clients are warned to only contact sps who do not post this info in their ads, and do not discuss such info in text or emails.

 

 

In any event, i won't change what i have been doing with advertising, because as i say i have never done that in the first place. Also, when you consider some ad sites, that info is not allowed anyway, so just use something like your back page ad as your guide.

[peacectryguy 12523]

I find it interesting that there is so much confusion and fear that most people are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees, so to speak. As was said, so eloquently by Fortunateone, there never used to be menus and some sites still don't allow it. The biggest problem I see as I read posts and reviews and such is clients that have gotten lazy and complacent and frankly, some who are too worried about specifics. I don't understand how they can enjoy any encounter or this hobby, period. For me, it has never been about specific details but about two people enjoying the moment and going with the flow. It's not always perfect but then again what is. However, more often than not, it becomes a great sensual, sexual experience for both of us. Now maybe my maturity has something to do with it. Yes,I am paying out a good amount of my hard earned cash to be with a lady but that does not mean and never should mean that it is all about me.

As for ads and websites, it really isn't that hard to read between the lines and understand what is coming. Guys need to quit looking at ads worrying about bbbj/ cbj and all the other acronyms. It's really not so much about the "what" as opposed to the ability of the SP to read signals and react to maximize the pleasure. Her skill is far more important than what she offers, Honestly, I hope that all you ladies continue to thrive in this industry and that the fellows out there take the time to understand and appreciate the great thing we have here in this hobby. If we all treat this as mutually beneficial without expecting too much, we will all continue to enjoy ourselves and the details will seem less important as we go along. We are all adults, after all.And like RG , I too, take the time to actually read your websites and posts and whatever else so I can be as good as a client as you are as a SP.

[tanyathetgurl 857]

 

I enjoy a good game of chess, so when I read about high-quality people planning several steps ahead, I like it. Kudos ...

 

Here's a brief overview as to my background in case it's relevant to what I'd like to contribute: I've done my share of escorting work south of the US-Canada border, and several of my friends are colleagues; a close friend recently got "busted" by the local sex police. Her experience has convinced me that it's not a process I want to personally experience. That's why, when I work in the US, I'm so legally cautious that my clients' feedback reassures me that I'm one of the most cautious girls they've engaged. That includes clients who work in, ironically, law enforcement -- yet pay for my services.

 

Here's a made-up story to illustrate the point I'm about to make: two acquaintances are out camping in the woods. They wake up, barefoot and in their pajamas, just in time to see a couple of cute grizzly bear cubs coming toward their tent. Beyond them, in the middle distance, is the mama bear, on the warpath, charging towards them. One of the guys hastily starts putting on his shoes. The other guy looks at him, puzzled, and says, "what are you doing? You know that even a grown man can't outrun a bear. The bear is faster." The first guy replies: "I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun YOU."

 

The story illustrates my central point: if C36 passes, law enforcement is probably going to allocate a finite amount of time, energy and enthusiasm to arresting SPs and/or their clients. It's unlikely that they're going to spend months laying an elaborate trap for one brilliantly crafty girl as if she were a mastermind cat burglar who's already stolen the Crown jewels twice over.

 

My guess it that they'll go after low-hanging fruit, with all the lack of enthusiasm that good law enforcement officers show for bad laws. Many of them, I'm clear, are aware how unjust laws like C36 (if it passes) are. They'll enforce such laws because they'll be instructed to, not out of a sense of zeal. My guess is that an informal minimum-quota system will drive the process.

 

Hawaii is a good example. There are many violent criminals there and the Honolulu police relish being an effective counterforce. An annoying distraction for them is that they're also tasked with enforcing Hawaiian anti-prostitution laws. The numbers speak for themselves. Officially, the Honolulu PD is on board with enforcing anti-prostitution laws. But, a watchdog group analysed the statistics and found that out of 25,000 arrests that the Honolulu PD made in a particular context, maybe 7 of them were for breaking anti-prostitution laws, and the majority of these seven arrests occurred on a weekday night but before midnight. To me, that smacks of lack of enthusiasm, and I'm all for this sort of passive resistance by law enforcement, when it comes to bad laws.

 

Nevada law enforcement, and much of the entire State of Nevada bureaucratic structure, works on the same informal premise. Clueless activists push unprincipled or misguided politicians to pass dumb laws. It happens. Even so, we all have lives to live, so let's see how we can minimize the impact that these dumb laws have, and let's try to allocate the time and energy of Nevada law enforcement to catching actual "bad guys" like bank robbers, guys who beat up their girlfriends or wives, etc.

 

For example, when I'm in Nevada, I cheerfully drive 10 mph above the legal speed limit on freeways. I'm there often enough, and yet I haven't gotten a speeding ticket in maybe 15 years -- and when I did it was due to exceeding this "margin" -- a margin informally suggested to me by a kind State of Nevada Highway Patrol officer. Good advice, that. As I zoom along at 70+10 = 80 mph and I get passed by folks doing 90+ I'm pretty sure that they're going to get pulled over, and sure enough, I tend to be prophetic as such.

 

Reno, NV is a good example. While I was there, there was a very recent much-publicized bust. As I understand the story (I didn't see the actual newspaper) a half-dozen clients' names and pictures were posted on the front page of the local newspaper, along with the names and pictures of the one or two service providers who were arrested. Most of Reno culture is very open-minded and the moral taint from being "outed" is pretty close to zero unless the person is a pastor or politician. Cynically, I think the real reason the Reno PD is working so closely with the newspaper and enabling the press to run the story up the flagpole is that this assuages the peanut gallery of zealous conservatives who pushed for these laws in the first place. When they see the newspaper, these folks are then convinced that the cops are "doing what they're supposed to be doing" because, the "proof" is right there, plus the conservative also gets the bonus of feeling Schadenfreude. As a consequence of all this, the mayor's office for a while doesn't get lobbied to "do something," the police chief doesn't get ordered to "do something," and the folks in blue don't get told to "do something" because the conservative lobby needs their pound of flesh yet again. So, for a while, the Reno PD can get on with focusing on catching the actual bad guys, which they do very well when they're left free to do that.

 

Back to Canada: unless the government appoints a rabid and misguided C36 enforcement task force with the zeal and moral blindness of the Spanish Inquisition, my guess is that a few of the most careless SPs and clients in the business will get arrested in highly publicized events to fill quotes and appease the people who pushed for these laws. The rest of us will do business as usual as long as we're careful enough, meaning: if we avoid being the "low-hanging fruit" for law enforcement.

 

Using my friend as an example, she hosted a hugely publicized New Year's Eve event with her as the center of ten guys' attentions, meaning she sold sexual services blatantly in a Bible Belt US state. The fact that she didn't use condoms, is a t-girl and looks like a mix between a beauty queen and a porn starlet ... that probably contributed to the publicity. One of the guys spilled the beans, a spouse lodged a vociferous complaint with the local PD and they sent out a stooge to bust her. My friend has a different alcohol and drug policy than I do, so during the bust, she was inebriated and hopped up on cocaine, so her mental defenses were totally down. Plus she was 20 at the time, and basically considered herself as able to get away with anything and everything. She admits to me that she was extremely careless at the time of her arrest.

 

So, in practical terms, what the C36 law (if it passes) will probably end up punishing, really, is: carelessness.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

When I first began as an escort there was none of this menu b.s. Clients were actually interested in the mystique surrounding the SP. Services were still important but was secondary.

 

Most did their research on review boards and perhaps a few exchanges between a member who had seen the SP and the person wanting to meet her.

 

Most SPs had websites and invested in themselves where marketing and advertising was concerned.

 

This is where things have changed. As someone else mentioned many have become complacent with the fact that al they have to do is look up a classified ad where in a lot of cases it is all laid out. In the early days hobbyists took more time and invested in seeing an SP including paying higher fees. There were no singular acts or get in and get out service where services are heavily focused on. This is where things have changed. It is no longer about companionship for many.

 

In a lot of respects and coming from a seasoned SP, without a menu SPs who are were used to having one are going to have to focus more on selling companionship and not so much the services they offer. We as SPs are literally going to be selling ourselves and not through the types of services we offer. Expect to invest more in website and advertising. They are going to have to explain to potential clients why they should visit them. It's time to get creative. If an SP can do this, they will be able to adapt to the various changes this industry will go through.

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[roamingguy 300291]

One thing, it shouldn't be hard, or you'd think it wouldn't be hard, for existing ladies and gentlemen to adapt. Unless you've stuck your head in the sand, everyone here knows about C36 and it's ramifications to this lifestyle. But we should all be able to adapt, and enjoy this lifestyle as we have before

It is the ladies and gentlemen who want to start in this lifestyle post-C36 that will need to learn. Ladies need to learn they offer time and companionship and gentlemen need to look for companionship.

Terms like sex provider, prostitute, hooker etc can't be used. Terms like escort, companion are used. And absolutely no mention of sex for money

This lifestyle exists in the United States where prostitution is for the most part illegal, it will still continue on...well unless the government plans to add saltpeter to food LOL

A rambling

 

RG

[Brad 49548]

I'm a little nervous to ask this question in case I'm missing something obvious, so if I am please be gentle, but...

 

I'm wondering what the rationale is for so many independent providers to switch to only talking about "companionship only", etc and not mentioning sexual services if that's what they're used to.

 

Don't get me wrong, those that have always preferred to stay away from such things have every right to do so, and others in this thread have pointed out why many even prefer that approach.

 

But I feel like I'm missing what part of the bill makes it a problem for an independent provider who is accustomed or does prefers to list/discuss services from continuing to do so.

 

My understanding of the bill was that there is an exemption that allows an independent lady to advertise their own sexual services. I get why the wording of the bill may be problematic for agencies, but as I say, I'm hoping someone could explain for me what in the bill makes it a problem for independent ladies to continue as they've done? (if they so wish)

 

Thanks. :)

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

The reasons are because the "advertisers" are not allowed under the new bill to advertise sexual services. Even on cerb, they will not allow "known prostitues" to advertise, so they will not be allowed to remain as a member.

 

Hope this helps

[roamingguy 300291]

I'm a little nervous to ask this question in case I'm missing something obvious, so if I am please be gentle, but...

 

I'm wondering what the rationale is for so many independent providers to switch to only talking about "companionship only", etc and not mentioning sexual services if that's what they're used to.

 

Don't get me wrong, those that have always preferred to stay away from such things have every right to do so, and others in this thread have pointed out why many even prefer that approach.

 

But I feel like I'm missing what part of the bill makes it a problem for an independent provider who is accustomed or does prefers to list/discuss services from continuing to do so.

 

My understanding of the bill was that there is an exemption that allows an independent lady to advertise their own sexual services. I get why the wording of the bill may be problematic for agencies, but as I say, I'm hoping someone could explain for me what in the bill makes it a problem for independent ladies to continue as they've done? (if they so wish)

 

Thanks. :)

 

Because sex for money will become illegal

A lady's website needs to post her rates.

Nothing illegal about paid companionship, being an escort and so on

But being a prostitute, sex provider, hooker etc, those are ladies advertising sexual services for money. That will be illegal

And gentlemen seeking to buy sexual services are going to be breaking the law

Not only are ladies' websites going to need to be changed, emails/texts/phone calls to and from companions are going to have to be changed, no mention AT ALL of sex for money

At least that's my take on it

 

RG

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I'm a little nervous to ask this question in case I'm missing something obvious, so if I am please be gentle, but...

 

I'm wondering what the rationale is for so many independent providers to switch to only talking about "companionship only", etc and not mentioning sexual services if that's what they're used to.

 

Don't get me wrong, those that have always preferred to stay away from such things have every right to do so, and others in this thread have pointed out why many even prefer that approach.

 

But I feel like I'm missing what part of the bill makes it a problem for an independent provider who is accustomed or does prefers to list/discuss services from continuing to do so.

 

My understanding of the bill was that there is an exemption that allows an independent lady to advertise their own sexual services. I get why the wording of the bill may be problematic for agencies, but as I say, I'm hoping someone could explain for me what in the bill makes it a problem for independent ladies to continue as they've done? (if they so wish)

 

Thanks. :)

 

 

 

Mostly it's because YOU (the hobbyist) will no longer be safe in buying "SEX" so if I don't * cough,cough * sell it, well... you see what I mean by now, I hope.

Yes, I am still allowed to advertise my own "sexual services" but the catch 22 is that you are not allowed to purchase them. So, by selling you "TIME" not "SEX" you are safer.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Yes, I agree with Alexxxis. You took the words out of my mouth.lol. I would rather be discrete in exchanging communication with the client as she mentioned to keep the client safe. After all, aside from services, clients are paying for discretion. That is what I have always given them and will continue to do so. Why would I put my clients in jeopardy for the sake of being able to discuss certain things? I will cover them because these are my clients and how I make my living. The customer comes first in this situation. Pun intended!

[fortunateone 156618]

It is government logic.

 

Premise A: Govt plans to shut down all prostitution by eliminating all advertising (because they know that no ads means no sex workers).

 

Premise B: Govt knows it will get flak from voters if they have any legislation that criminalizes anything done by any sex worker, including any self advertising (which includes standing on street corner)

 

 

Conclusion by govt: create a law that will make criminals out of all Canadian advertising venues (online and paper advertising) if they accept money from any sex worker to publish her ads

 

 

Results: sex workers will have no place that can legally accept her paying them to publish to her legal ads, therefore all prostitution will come to a screeching halt because no client will be able to find a sex worker.

 

Ever.

 

Solution: sps now write ads that do not advertise their sexual services. Advertising sites and papers happily can take her $$ to publish her ads. Clients benefit because they will also not be contacting/solicitating the services of sex workers for advertised sexual services, they will be contacting an escort for time/companionship services, or a massage provider for massage services.

 

 

Side benefit: Govt happy because they are the first country in the world to eradicate and stop all sex work!! And we can tell, because there are no sp ads anymore. And sp ads are used to determine the number of underage sps (because their photos 'look' underage) or trafficked sps (because they 'traveled" from Ottawa to Toronto, therefore must be trafficked). Thus, all abolitionist groups will be out of work, nothing to see, nothing to do, no one to rescue.

[roamingguy 300291]

It is government logic.

 

Premise A: Govt plans to shut down all prostitution by eliminating all advertising (because they know that no ads means no sex workers).

 

Premise B: Govt knows it will get flak from voters if they have any legislation that criminalizes anything done by any sex worker, including any self advertising (which includes standing on street corner)

 

 

Conclusion by govt: create a law that will make criminals out of all Canadian advertising venues (online and paper advertising) if they accept money from any sex worker to publish her ads

 

 

Results: sex workers will have no place that can legally accept her paying them to publish to her legal ads, therefore all prostitution will come to a screeching halt because no client will be able to find a sex worker. Ever.

 

And that is why the United States does not have, never has had, nor never will have prostitution

And you can take that to the bank

 

Stephen Harper & Peter MacKay

Your Dream Team

 

..........................................-

Egad, my post has been hijacked by the Goddamned CPC's LOL

 

RG

[Phaedrus 209521]

So, to go back to the original question... maybe a little creative writing is required?

 

Perhaps you could write a few sentences on why a BJ is so much more awesome to give when condoms aren't involved, or maybe write something on why safety is important even for oral. Maybe you could describe that time you had buttsex with someone and it was the best thing ever, or perhaps that time someone thought he could slip it in your ass and you wouldn't mind... yeah, right. Perhaps link to something on Pornhub or wherever and casually mention that you totally get off on stuff like whatever you linked to. Or mention the guy who tried thought you wouldn't notice that he whipped the condom off and then couldn't sit down for a week 'cos you kicked his ass so hard. Scatter stuff like that around your website, and people will get the idea... if they're paying attention. Those who don't may or may not learn. And none of it is a direct offer to provide any particular service. Oh no. Definitely not :)

 

I'm not sure how to communicate something like "Greek is $50 extra", but I'm sure someone will come up with something cunning... even if it's only making it all-inclusive and putting up your rates by $50.

[Brad 49548]

Thanks for the responses all, that helped (and yes, you were all very gentle).

 

Because sex for money will become illegal

A lady's website needs to post her rates.

Nothing illegal about paid companionship, being an escort and so on

But being a prostitute, sex provider, hooker etc, those are ladies advertising sexual services for money. That will be illegal

RG

 

Thanks RG and I think I see what you're saying, but from what I've read of the bill this doesn't seem to be quite the case. The purchase of sex will indeed become illegal, but the sale of it will not be, at least in the case of an independent lady advertising her own services. There's a specific exemption that says no one will be prosecuted for "an advertisement of their own sexual services." That's why I was confused about why ladies would have to change their websites.

 

I do get the idea that ladies making changes to 'companionship only' and such do protect clients. Though I wouldn't think someone would have to be too concerned talking with known and reputable ladies any more in the future than someone would be now who arranges an incall which is technically illegal. But yes, I can see how it might make a gent more comfortable and protected to make contact knowing they aren't technically asking for anything illegal.

 

And not being to advertise or even be a member on places like Cerb (I do remember reading that now that you remind me) certainly make a compelling case to make the change.

 

Thanks again all for the helpful responses.

[50 Shades Raven 31380]

I have done a lot of reading on this bill C-36, and find it completely contradictory and confusing in wording.

 

I have websites that will have to be totally revamped, and that is not the problem.

I believe Fortunateone put this all too well, we as providers, will be impossible to find if this goes through.

 

Companionship, in this instance, will have to go back to the ways of almost secrecy and mystery.

Yes we can have pictures on our sites, but the chosen wording will be basically 'if you like what you see, come and find out'. Which is unfortunate.

 

We as sp's quite often have no idea of who we are dealing with when engaging in a 'first meeting' with a new client. We don't know what you look like, what you are looking for, or if we as the provider will even have a sexual attraction to you. Clients are going to have to become diligent in being patient with providers as to which services will be available to them.

As far as I am concerned, there are a lot of services that I offer, and only a few that I do not, but for providers that offer only a limited 'selection' of services, there will be the aire of mystery for the clients. They may not get what they want when contacting a provider, until the client is actually with the provider and finds out what is available.

 

It seems to me that freedom of the press is taking a turn for the worst in this case. I am not free to say what I want in advertising.

[mrgreen760 37785]

For me personally, with all the confusion and speculation my course of action will likely be that come December move to the sidelines for 6 months or so and then get the lay of the land. By that time some of the kinks should have been worked out.... or not. And then decide if the new landscape suits me.

 

Peace

MG

[peacectryguy 12523]

One thing that came to mind as I am reading this is because of SP's having to be more creative in their writing and not actually talking about services, I think we may see more bookings for longer sessions. I could be totally wrong but it seems that if we, as clients, have to find out after we arrive, we may not be able to do those walk in 15 min or fast15 or whatever that I see in some ads. Of course, there are guys who just want a quick bang out there and don't care about anything else so maybe things won't change much. Personally, I like to have more time and enjoy myself. Even 1/2 hr sessions are too short for my liking but that's just me.

When all is said and done, I do go back to reading and comprehension, though. Guys need to slow down and read the ads/websites thoroughly and develop the skill of reading between the lines. Learning how to pick out the subtle nuances of clever writing will go a long way to avoiding confusion, imo. And saying they don't have time or can't because they are on their I-phone is a total cop-out. People need to stop being lazy and maybe that is one good thing that could come out of this.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Re: Getting creative... maybe a few short erotic stories clients can find on another site that is not associated with the SP. I enjoy writing and have a dirty imagination. lol.

[tanyathetgurl 857]

@peacectryguy I'm tempted to applaud since I fancy myself as being an escort to the elite, but it probably would not be fair for me to expect everyone to change their buying decisions accordingly.

 

I suspect there's room in the market, and a legitimate need, for not just fine-dining restaurants but also fast-food places.

 

I presume the same premise applies to sexually themed work. I'm not even saying it varies from person to person; it might be the situation for that person on that day. I suspect that even Bill Gates knows what the inside of a fast-food restaurant, or the perspective from a drive-through lane, looks like.

 

Could be that someone who normally likes to linger is in the mood for a quickie on that particular day ... I have to concede there is nothing wrong with that. :-)

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

I came working from usa with a good experience and with a business model and it got crush the first year I work in Canada

I had a lot of bitter impressions toward Canadian ..Moving forward with my situation it had gone worse ..

I'm sorry to say but I will embrace that sex for money will become illegal maybe Canadian will be more like the great usa ones I met

(Please do not generalize my comment..I did met great ones in Canada it's just rare)

[fortunateone 156618]

I hope no one got the impression that i think sps will be impossible to find. That was very much tongue in cheek. Sps will be as easy to find as they always have been, the sites that accept our ads continue to accept our ads.

 

Majority of ads are placed on non Canadian sites, and if you word ads in regards to their terms of use, your ads go up. The new direction is that now you will word your ads in similar ways when posting on Canadian sites that allowed more graphic ads.

 

I really fail to see any problems going forward, other than it makes screening harder, which is the whole point behind this part of the C36 complaints. Screening allows sps to be safer. Advertising services dos and don'ts is a form of screening. Not allowed ad sites to post ads that show dos and don'ts and services prevents sps from prescreening, and therefore increases danger to them, therefore C36 is not SCC compliant.

 

 

the old way, which may still be done in some massage parlours, was a posted list of rates:

 

Body wrap 1/2 hour $x

Body wrap hour $XX

 

All inclusive 1/2 hour $XX

All inclusive hour $XXX

 

 

Going into a spa guys knew that body wrap was massage and hj, and All inclusive was FS. It was up to the individual sp to determine or let the client know if GFE things were available and if they were included in the pricing or extra, usually adding 50 bucks or so. If indy sp ads used the same coding, or used massage instead of body wrap, i'm sure it will pass inspection. and by that i mean during a phone call. You won't tell someone if bbbj or cbj, so that's their problem if they are so rigid in their thinking that they cry if they don't get a bbbj, and maybe not being forced to do competitive advertising and services means sps will no longer be forced to go along with a menu that does not sit well with them and their health.

 

I know a number of sps who are pleased that they won't be forced to list services, therefore won't be forced to provide them or have an argument with someone about why he isn't going to get one, and maybe, with luck, the prevalence of chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis will finally drop again.