I'm done - thank you C-36

[Guest **zz**x]

Hey there - i have not been a big time poster here but have engaged from time to time. Just want to say thanks to all of you for creating a positive community.

 

That said, I am done with all this thanks to C-36. I don't have any desire to be on the wrong side of the law when the thing is passed and comes into force.

 

It has been fun. I might be back if and when the thing is declared unconstitutional.

 

Till then, best of luck to you all.

 

JB

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

I respect your decision and everyone has a right to do what they need to do to protect their security.

 

Perhaps you will change you mind as time passes.

 

In MHO, we just need to be vigilant, both ladies and gentleman. Good common sense applies here. To me it so very simple, I will only advertise in a way that in no way will implicates me to money for any sexual service . Time, time , time.

 

Gents if you are unsure please see only a lady with a presence and a track record. If you are unsure gentlemen please contact a lady that you already have an established friendship with.

 

We are here to help and will never steer you wrong.

 

Good common sense will prevail and we will not be stopped .

[Phaedrus 209521]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I plan to treat C36 with the contempt it deserves and carry on as I do now.

 

As far as the guys are concerned, I suspect that provided you can avoid the cops who are posing as SPs either on the street or on BP, etc then your chances of getting caught are vanishingly small.

[Guest Cr**gCa***ng]

I'm at the point I don't know what to think anymore. I understand the concerns of all yet I am simply waiting to see how this all plays out and am continuing along as usual.

[FunValerie 8573]

Hey there - i have not been a big time poster here but have engaged from time to time. Just want to say thanks to all of you for creating a positive community.

 

That said, I am done with all this thanks to C-36. I don't have any desire to be on the wrong side of the law when the thing is passed and comes into force.

 

It has been fun. I might be back if and when the thing is declared unconstitutional.

 

Till then, best of luck to you all.

 

JB

 

For all of the optimism on CERB, several other people have called or emailed to express the same sentiment as this poster.

[spud271 47779]

As previously stated in another thread, since I'm not a Canadian citizen and only here on a work visa, once the 30 days after Royal Assent have passed and C-36 is officially a law, I'll be done as well. I'm only here another 3 months anyway, then gone home, so I have some "friends" around town till then who I can quietly see. As for CERB, I don't exactly have a choice...will have to call it quits at that time.

[Reuben Sandwich 13841]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I plan to treat C36 with the contempt it deserves and carry on as I do now.

 

Well you did speak for me here.

 

Won't Worry

Carry On

As Usual

 

Getting caught by the cops is the least of my worries.

[roamingguy 300292]

It's illegal to seek sexual services for money. The ladies, for the most part, that I see don't even have a menu. They are escorts and seeing them isn't illegal. When asking a lady for a encounter, I don't ask about any menu, it is about a date and time to meet her.

That said, why would I be done. I'm not in breech of C36. Having a date with a woman isn't illegal. Ladies who have a menu I will avoid, they may draw LE attention. But those in this lifestyle who adapt, both ladies and gentlemen alike will still partake in it.

A rambling

 

RG

[mrgreen760 37785]

The overwhelming majority of players both sp's and clients don't belong or participate on the various boards and I dare say some of have no idea C-36 is even coming down or what it might or might not mean. So obviously there will be some casualties and I assume ignorance will not be excused. There will be media coverage on the initial arrests and disposition of the charges for sure. Once that happens and a clearer picture is available there will be a further review of participation for some.

 

Each individual will measure the risk/reward based on their personal situations. Whether it be career related or life related. Opinions expressed here are just that......opinions as no one knows for sure what the level of law enforcement will be and the ramifications of same.

 

I respect the whistle through the grave yard types even though personally I think some of of it is a bit of bravado and even a little naive and I also respect the very concerned types whom might come across as a little paranoid or jumping the gun.

 

In any event times they are a changing and there will ultimately be a new normal and how long that takes is really anybodies guess.

 

Peace

MG

[loneskater 25635]

I am amazed reading all the different posts with regards to the new law to see how many got spoiled with this business having moved to the internet. In many cases its like many think this business did not exist before.

 

With the high price of advertising in papers and yellow pages, before internet, ladies did not have the luxury of posting menus and still had clients. Also we still had the solicitation law back then and no cell so conversation were limited to discussing time and a lady's general looks. Guess what, business survived.

 

Its all about risk mitigation and adjusting to the law. Am I saying there will be no risk: NO But then can anyone say there is absolutely no risks involved with having sex even if you use condoms: NO However in both cases the risk is minimal. You have to make sure you protect yourself properly.

 

Personally, as I did before the internet, I will continue building my network and not discuss sexual activities unless in private with someone. I will also continue attending social events. Unless I misread the new bill, there is nothing illegal in approaching a lady and say: Hi I am so and so, can I buy you a drink!

 

As far as I am concern no point crying about it, simply work around it!

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

It really does baffle me that some people think they are safe with the existing laws now. What about being found in a bawdy house? Point being is that most people visiting SPs have ALWAYS taken a risk in one form or another which could have also turned their worlds upside down and no one seemed to care. Only difference now is a criminal record will be in place to make it official.

 

The only thing that is going to change is that people are actually going to have to do their research. Many have been become very complacent and have also taken chances in meeting women they have no clue about. They see an ad and call. You don't know what's waiting for you behind that door. So why all of a sudden now?

 

If a person takes the time to do some actual research, there won't be a problem. Business will carry on as usual.

[squirtingmilf 1982]

Although I can certainly understand where the OP is coming from and his reluctance to keep on seeing ladies because he now risks the possibility of having a tarnished reputation, you really have to understand those in support of Bill C-36 and what their objectives are.

 

These are people that want to do rescue work (it's very profitable) and although they want to END our entire industry, the porn industry etc. they have main targets of where they want to start. And although I'm not saying with 100% certainty that what I'm about to say is true, I've dealt with some of the abolishment agencies personally and so that is where I'm coming from with my statements.

 

They believe that every single one of us are victimized, we are all here not of our own free will, however that being said; more emphasis will be put on those coming from other countries to work here, because those are "human trafficking victims". So targets, asian massage parlours and asian micros. Then the next thing they carry on about are the all the "underage ladies" that are being "trafficked" and working "against their will" or "being pimped". This will be where they start, because they can "rescue" more "victims" in massage parlours than they can individual ladies, ladies that are established and those of us that have been around for a long time.

 

When you think about it logically, who can they brainwash more easily into buying their "victim mentality and agenda"? Those who don't speak English and don't understand what's going on and those that are super young and naive. Those are the type of people they prey on, who they deem to be the most vulnerable.

 

If you've got super asshole police officers in your city where they bust frequently, etc. then yeah I can see them picking on some independent ladies, but remember one thing, the abolishment agencies have an agenda and your average independent lady isn't it.

 

I could be 100% wrong in what I've just said, but you really need to understand the inner workings of how they think.

 

I wrote a very long post about this here

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=197352

 

Additional Comments:

It really does baffle me that some people think they are safe with the existing laws now. What about being found in a bawdy house? Point being is that most people visiting SPs have ALWAYS taken a risk in one form or another which could have also turned their worlds upside down and no one seemed to care. Only difference now is a criminal record will be in place to make it official.

 

The only thing that is going to change is that people are actually going to have to do their research. Many have been become very complacent and have also taken chances in meeting women they have no clue about. They see an ad and call. You don't know what's waiting for you behind that door. So why all of a sudden now?

 

If a person takes the time to do some actual research, there won't be a problem. Business will carry on as usual.

 

 

I remember back in the day, there were no pictures, you called ladies from the yellow pages and you got what you got at your door. Then along came newspapers same thing. Then we could start putting pictures in our ads and when web sites were just starting everyone was asking for them .. now half the people don't read them or do research. Today some guy called me and asked me for information, I told him to google my number .. his response - "I don't have time for that, fuck off" .. He'll be one of those guys that will get a great shock to his system when he gets busted and frankly I won't miss assholes like that.

[dread pirate roberts 4036]

Broadly speaking those who plan to "carry on regardless" seem to offer one of two rationales: 1) what I do won't actually be breaking the new law or 2) law enforcement won't find it worthwhile to enforce the law, at least not in the circumstances in which I will be breaking it.

 

My own view is that any hobbyist thinking the first thing is fooling himself, though as I understand it that will be true for SPs a lot of the time. The second one, I don't know, that could be right.

 

It's true, what people have been doing has frequently been illegal under the current law and there hasn't tended to be much enforcement - other than in special circumstances, like a lot of media hype about underage prostitution, complaints about a particular location, or that sort of thing. I guess the question is whether "there's a new law" is in and of itself enough of a special circumstance that, at least for a while, there will be enforcement which otherwise wouldn't have taken place. Everyone's entitled to their own comfort level with that risk, and maybe it is accurately described as "vanishingly small", maybe not, but either way it's a mistake to pretend the risk doesn't exist.

[Ice4fun 78396]

I don't think the new law will change my continuing in the hobby... it will however mean i will need to be more careful in identifying SP's that i plan to meet.

 

Unfortunately this new law has raised the stakes for me in the past my risk was simply associated with my wife discovering or at most my hobby becoming public and i would have to deal with the temporary issue of my indiscretion becoming known. Now the fact that: it will be a criminal offense to purchase sex means that my career is on the line with every transaction as the code of conduct of my employer would see me lose my job if convicted of a criminal offense.

 

So i will continue to see the amazing women i have already met but i will be much more hesitant to contact new ladies until i have a much better understanding of how aggressively the law will be enforced

 

This initial hesitation by clients to see new SP's will make it very difficult for many ladies which is truly unfortunate. My hopes is that as in the past LE will target their activities on those areas of the sex industry that involve violence, underage workers or trafficking and let the rest of the industry return to a new normal.

 

Just my Opinion

[piano8950 32577]

Laying low until I am comfortable again. I don't fear the cops as much as I fear these 'rescue workers' wanting to make a point. Arrest and prosecution isn't the only bad outcome.

[Tallrichsexy 1546]

What a colossal waste of time , I think that if they took all the money and time wasted on this bill/law or whatever and donated it to the food bank or spca or Christmas daddies maybe they could spend a bit more time trying to catch real criminals . Really its just a giant clusterf#@k , I am not changing my fun habits , people have sex , always have always will , what a CROCK. My 2 cents

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

What a colossal waste of time , I think that if they took all the money and time wasted on this bill/law or whatever and donated it to the food bank or spca or Christmas daddies maybe they could spend a bit more time trying to catch real criminals . Really its just a giant clusterf#@k , I am not changing my fun habits , people have sex , always have always will , what a CROCK. My 2 cents

 

Agreed! More like #morallegislationbythecons. We are just pawns in a bid for them to win the next election. This will be another shit mess to clean up in the next 5 years when they finally get voted out because people are so sick of their right wing bullshit ideology.

[FunValerie 8573]

These are people that want to do rescue work (it's very profitable).

 

Thank you for your comment. Look at some of the people who supported this bill. They hands are in the rescue industry.

[Phaedrus 209521]

Broadly speaking those who plan to "carry on regardless" seem to offer one of two rationales: 1) what I do won't actually be breaking the new law or 2) law enforcement won't find it worthwhile to enforce the law, at least not in the circumstances in which I will be breaking it.

 

My own view is that any hobbyist thinking the first thing is fooling himself, though as I understand it that will be true for SPs a lot of the time. The second one, I don't know, that could be right.

 

I'm in the second camp... but I'm pretty sure I'm right, to the extent that I intend to continue putting my money where my mouth is :)

 

Every encounter I've had up to this point has been illegal because it took place in a bawdy house - I go to visit the ladies, rather than having them over to see me, and I'm pretty sure that I haven't been the only visitor to anyone's incall. Every encounter after this point will be illegal because there's an envelope on the table. What's changed, precisely? As far as I can see... not a lot.

 

These are people that want to do rescue work (it's very profitable).

 

Thank you for your comment. Look at some of the people who supported this bill. They hands are in the rescue industry.

 

And they're now fighting over who gets the $$$ from the government as a reward for having supported the legislation.

 

Irony, much?

[squirtingmilf 1982]

I'm in the second camp... but I'm pretty sure I'm right, to the extent that I intend to continue putting my money where my mouth is :)

 

Every encounter I've had up to this point has been illegal because it took place in a bawdy house - I go to visit the ladies, rather than having them over to see me, and I'm pretty sure that I haven't been the only visitor to anyone's incall. Every encounter after this point will be illegal because there's an envelope on the table. What's changed, precisely? As far as I can see... not a lot.

 

 

 

And they're now fighting over who gets the $$$ from the government as a reward for having supported the legislation.

 

Irony, much?

 

Yeah exactly, they already get money from the government and tons of donations because of their bullcrap victim perpetuation .. do NOT donate money to womans shelters and the like. I can tell you right now, Susan Davis and I did some research on shelters and abused womans transition homes and they do NOT accept working ladies at all. Every question was about drugs and drug abuse .. like every single lady was some transient drug addict .. smh .. it was ridiculous. And then they were all bitching and whining about how they were only going to get 100 or 200K out of this bill .. seriously, our activists barely get squat!

[piano8950 32577]

And they're now fighting over who gets the $$$ from the government as a reward for having supported the legislation.

 

Irony, much?

 

Do you have a link or something about this. I'm curious to see what they're arguing about exactly