johnybird 4391 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 In my experience it isn't just your real name required. Ladies also want a reference from a reputable independent companion, email address, contact phone number. Some also like your board handle (confirmed by PM) and a work phone number. Information for screening/verification is more than just your name. Just my opinion, but ladies are seeing a man alone intimately. Something that takes a great deal of trust on their part. Ladies, in spite of men's fear for their privacy, run higher real risks than guys do. Anything clients/potential clients can do to minimize the risks, well I for one am willing to doA rambling RG I agree, I am willing to give them as much reasonable information to make them comfortable, I won't give out my SIN number though lol! But out of all the ladies I've seen, all but one required my name and some personal information (which I didn't mind giving). All the other ones have known only my first name, not that I didn't want to divulge my last name, it just never came up. I was frankly really surprised that these ladies agreed to see me just from one text. Yes I was polite, but crazy people can be polite. Google is a wonderful tool but it's not that difficult to create an Alias online, it's very easy to create Facebook, Linked in, Twitter accounts etc... Even though I couldn't imagine someone going through all that just to hide their identity from an Escort, but it really is pretty simple. Some of them don't seem to screen as thoroughly or at all. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78396 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 No but having your real name does give us some recourse if we need to report you to the police should you assault or rape us, for example. Yes I fully agree... just saying that people can still do stupid things and that having a real name be that the client's or ladies really is very limited protection... I am constantly amazed by the willingness of you ladies to assume such great risk... my comments were not meant in a negative way.. I hope they were not seen as negative. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300291 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Yes I fully agree... just saying that people can still do stupid things and that having a real name be that the client's or ladies really is very limited protection... I am constantly amazed by the willingness of you ladies to assume such great risk... my comments were not meant in a negative way.. I hope they were not seen as negative. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk I wouldn't say it is protection so much as risk reduction How do you know the ladies assume great risks? Do you know how many dates ladies have declined because of their screening procedures I don't. Not to mention screening/verification may be but one tool in their arsenal so to speak to protect them... they may employ security etc etc etc. And for those men who are bad dates, time wasters etc, I'm sure the ladies share that information with other ladies without being asked...how many men out there are known to escorts, and not in a good way But it is their verification/screening methods, as one tool, that reduce their risk, the great risk you assume they take RG 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I thought this should be discussed because of the many gentlemen lately, on here and elsewhere, that seem hesitant and reluctant on divulging their real name when booking an appointment. Out of interest... I know this has always been the case (this is far from the first thread on this) but... has it become worse since the laws changed before Christmas? Although I trust a lady when providing my name and contact info, and have done it a number of times, and I trust when she says it's in good hands and she's going to safely keep it away from prying eyes. The problem arises if she gets her computer hacked, if she loses her phone, if she mistakenly leaves a backup usb key in a restaurant and the information falls into the wrong hands. That's the problem. To me this is the most serious issue in providing my name to a lady. It's not so much with the lady herself, it's all the "what ifs" around it. Absolutely. I really, REALLY hope that all the ladies that ask for names, contact details and other personal information make damn sure they get rid of it once the meeting has been satisfactorily concluded. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabriella Laurence 301887 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Out of interest... I know this has always been the case (this is far from the first thread on this) but... has it become worse since the laws changed before Christmas? Personally speaking only, I haven't experienced any changes since C-36. The gentlemen contacting me still provide me will all the information I request for a first-time rendez-vous and none have tried to negotiate my screening process. It's pretty much "business as usual"... 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78396 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I wouldn't say it is protection so much as risk reductionHow do you know the ladies assume great risks? Do you know how many dates ladies have declined because of their screening procedures I don't. Not to mention screening/verification may be but one tool in their arsenal so to speak to protect them... they may employ security etc etc etc. And for those men who are bad dates, time wasters etc, I'm sure the ladies share that information with other ladies without being asked...how many men out there are known to escorts, and not in a good way But it is their verification/screening methods, as one tool, that reduce their risk, the great risk you assume they take RG Was not really trying to start a debate but sure if you want to pick up on every word fine feel free to do so... My point... probably not as articulate as I may have hoped, was simply that ladies take a risk in this business every time they open that door to a man they have never met before... of course they use many strategies to mitigate that risk and certainly some ladies are better at doing so than others but that does not change the fact that this is a risky business. It is risky for the clients(even more so with the new law) and risky for the lovely ladies we go to see. Because of the risks inherent in this business it is not unreasonable for a lady to want a clients real name and I don't have a problem with that I just also know that that is only one piece in the best practices ladies must employ for their own safety and is not a guarantee of no problems. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D***el B***e Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I'm sitting in the bleachers, watching the discussion from a distance. It's getting hot in here but I'm staying out of it. It's someone else's turn this time! lol lol just waiting for another jab. lol lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CristyCurves 169032 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Out of interest... I know this has always been the case (this is far from the first thread on this) but... has it become worse since the laws changed before Christmas?Perhaps. I've noticed more new clients to be reluctant giving this info. New, meaning gents that appear to be new to hobbying and perhaps that's just it for me, perhaps I'm just getting an influx of new clients?. But I would suspect if you searched the threads that have been started since post c36 for many it isn't business as usual. Many have reported changes in their business. For the aware, obvious changes have occurred on this site alone. I believe mod even posted something to keep spirits up and to assure, not long after xmas. Many hobbyists have left and many companions have complained of a drop in business and many are now offering reduced rates/promo's/different sessions/offers that have never before. The number of clients I recieve hasn't dropped but the cycle of when they call and other things have changed this could be because of c36 and it could be just a change. Absolutely. I really, REALLY hope that all the ladies that ask for names, contact details and other personal information make damn sure they get rid of it once the meeting has been satisfactorily concluded. Shouldn't that be assumed? As I consider doing so part of being a discrete and responsible companion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilguy 241 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I have been told here that if I want the ladies real name -"I should get a Girlfriend". I guess I could return that same statement by saying if you need a real name "Get a Boyfriend". In My Opinion its a two way street. Fanning the flames. lol. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 It is your opinion yes, and you have every right to stick with providers who do not require a name or any information from you whatsoever. I hope everything works out for you. However, fanning the flames on purpose is disrespectful especially after the numerous comments about risk and safety here. These ladies provide a service and as with ANY service, there are conditions and safeties in place. What you choose to do or not do is your business however your comment had no relevance except to create animosity. The situations are not comparable and it is NOT a two way street. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Assume, as the saying goes it "makes an ass of u and me". That said, I have never had to give up my full name to any companion, here or traveling abroad. I think the screening methods put in place by companions, and the type of gentleman you are, dictates how you are approached by ladies, and how the lady will ask you for further details about yourself if required. When I hosted, they came to my hotel room when I was down south, I had no issues ever. I guess you can say, I'm just glad that I am using a preferred screening method widely used by companions here in Canada and abroad,which gives some details of my "real" self, but never asked for it when meeting took place. I'm ALL for the ladies discretion and safety and certainly understand the circumstances as to why they have it in place. Lastly, when I give up my contact info, as it has been said before in this thread, I also certainly hope that my contact info is discarded after that said appointment. Happy HUMP DAY ;) Shouldn't that be assumed? As I consider doing so part of being a discrete and responsible companion. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnybird 4391 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Personally speaking only, I haven't experienced any changes since C-36. The gentlemen contacting me still provide me will all the information I request for a first-time rendez-vous and none have tried to negotiate my screening process. It's pretty much "business as usual"... ;) I haven't changed the way I conduct myself whatsoever and haven't felt any additional risk either. Could it be because I only see independents, so I feel safer? not sure. I have been told here that if I want the ladies real name -"I should get a Girlfriend". I guess I could return that same statement by saying if you need a real name "Get a Boyfriend". In My Opinion its a two way street.Fanning the flames. lol. More like adding gasoline lol! you should quit while you're behind. :) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CristyCurves 169032 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Assume, as the saying goes it "makes an ass of u and me". That said, I have never had to give up my full name to any companion, here or traveling abroad. I think the screening methods put in place by companions, and the type of gentleman you are, dictates how you are approached by ladies, and how the lady will ask you for further details about yourself if required. Again "assume" doesn't in this case "make an ass of you and me", especially when many reputable and responsible professional ladies have that protocol clearly stated on their sites and sometimes in ads. When I hosted, they came to my hotel room when I was down south, I had no issues ever. I guess you can say, I'm just glad that I am using a preferred screening method widely used by companions here in Canada and abroad,which gives some details of my "real" self, but never asked for it when meeting took place. I'm ALL for the ladies discretion and safety and certainly understand the circumstances as to why they have it in place. Lastly, when I give up my contact info, as it has been said before in this thread, I also certainly hope that my contact info is discarded after that said appointment. ?? I thought you never had to give up your contact info, so why then mention when or the need to have it discarded? I think yours and Phaedrus's comment concerning deleting info is a mute point as anyone who takes such precautions thus needing that info for screening is doing so because of their care and concern for themselves and others, so mishandling or keeping that wouldn't be productive or beneficial for them, that's as known as being safe in any other way. So I think it is safe to assume, but then again I don't mind making an ass of myself:) Happy earth day;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Assume, as the saying goes it "makes an ass of u and me". That said, I have never had to give up my full name to any companion, here or traveling abroad. I think the screening methods put in place by companions, and the type of gentleman you are, dictates how you are approached by ladies, and how the lady will ask you for further details about yourself if required. Again "assume" doesn't in this case "make an ass of you and me", especially when many reputable and responsible professional ladies have that protocol clearly stated on their sites and sometimes in ads. When I hosted, they came to my hotel room when I was down south, I had no issues ever. I guess you can say, I'm just glad that I am using a preferred screening method widely used by companions here in Canada and abroad,which gives some details of my "real" self, but never asked for it when meeting took place. I'm ALL for the ladies discretion and safety and certainly understand the circumstances as to why they have it in place. Lastly, when I give up my contact info, as it has been said before in this thread, I also certainly hope that my contact info is discarded after that said appointment. ?? I thought you never had to give up your contact info, so why then mention when or the need to have it discarded? I think yours and Phaedrus's comment concerning deleting info is a mute point as anyone who takes such precautions thus needing that info for screening is doing so because of their care and concern for themselves and others, so mishandling or keeping that wouldn't be productive or beneficial for them, that's as known as being safe in any other way. So I think it is safe to assume, but then again I don't mind making an ass of myself:) Happy earth day;) Contact info.. WELL yes of course like a phone number as per any said appointments how else does one know room number, on time etc etc etc, in fact some ask to speak to the real you days prior to the appointment... OH an like an email address too...how many times do you think we may get an email from someone stating they are coming to your city...or even sometimes a text right of the blue from a lady that I removed from my contacts in my phone after our last appointment over a month and half ago but she texts me saying she is coming to town, I kinda of chuckled, as I was in Mexico when that came through. So yes Cristy THAT IS personal contact info required too. ;) And I like to be quite clear, it IS NOT a MUTE point. Happy Hump Day ;) 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300291 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I have been told here that if I want the ladies real name -"I should get a Girlfriend". I guess I could return that same statement by saying if you need a real name "Get a Boyfriend". In My Opinion its a two way street.Fanning the flames. lol. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fr33yay0 1172 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I understand the fact of providing some other items... but not my real name. I have seen plenty of girls and never once used my real name. I'm not starting the debate of your safety over my privacy again... but it's a two way street. Honestly, it's not a huge deal for a real name. Other things can be done to accomplish what is required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Perhaps a different perspective will help with this "two way street" debate. Couple questions: How many escorts or providers have been killed, stalked, threatened, beaten, blackmailed etc. from a client? That is to present time with no real names being utilized. How many clients have been in the same position from an escort? Some providing real names. If a providers real name is out there, . what do you think the increase rate for harassment or other negative behavior might be? A real name links to FB or an address, real phone number, info on kids, job, parents etc? How many other may be on the receiving end of negative behavior from being connected to someone now known to be doing this? How many may have an impact via schooling, another job, losing a job etc? Many ladies work from hotels or an Incall location. They keep business separate from personal usually for a number of reasons. MY point is that saying it is a two way street and that a client having a real name is the same as a provider having a real name and being NO big deal is absurd. If it was really no big deal, this would be a legitimate business, acceptable as any other form of work, fully accepted by society with no stigma attached, would receive rights and benefits afforded regular workers and not be the focus of so many people wanting to out, save, slam etc. This is the point, it IS a big deal to many of us. If it's not a big deal to you, great, find those who agree with you but at least acknowledge that it can and is a big deal to many. 15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fr33yay0 1172 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I completely agree with you Mid, Maybe I was a bit to indirect with my previous comments. What I meant to say is: from a person on the other side of the table whether my name be Eric, John or James has no bearing on the outcome of the situation. Maybe it does when it comes to background checks and other information that you like to collect. But not from my end, if I chose to see a lady; whether her name be Mary, Janice or Melaine again doesn't matter for my outcome (Although it might be a bit selfish). I understand that for certain people it's quite important... point taken. My issue is privacy; my real name can be linked to many article on the internet that are career/work related. That being said, everything is done with an alternate name and I haven't had any issues. I do however understand that the rate of crime/unnecessary voilence is greater for a service provider than a person like myself. I just don't understand why many individuals choose to say that privacy is something that's taken with a higher regard then safety of the service provider. If you are a true person who enjoy's the hobby the provider's safety will always be your top priority. Just my two cents... 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeeRichards 177238 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 On a two way street everyone is equal and you wave at each other.....or honk and give the finger....but that's the extent of it. This industry is far from a two way street. Ladies CAN get hurt, taken advantage of........and worse. We all know !!! A fact. A dude may lose his anonymity, personal perception, family heartache and maybe business financial losses....etc. Big difference. That said. Ladies run their business model different ways. Whether it be by receiving a clients real name and info.... or by other screening methods, that is Your chosen method. If it works for you and economically then Yay. If the fellas don't work with your method then move along....as the fella's do. To throw a thread out there asking why guys won't give up their real name ? and it should be that simple....won't be Mary Poppin'ish....it's gonna be a shitshow. Those that are willing.....already do. Those that won't....never will. Sorry peeps.... But Wow !! 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genevieve Marceau 68000 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 I have a real name for those who needs a reality check. Bradley Barton. Bradley Barton was recently found NOT guilty of killing an prostitute by letting her vaginally bleeding to death after, and I quote "rough sex". Bradley Barton is a free man. Hell, as far as I know he could be here posting on this very thread! This world is full of Bradley Barton. He is not an exception. Now before I hear someone wining that not all men are the same, let me tell you something: If "losing" the business of a hundreds clients gives us the chance to avoid only ONE Bradley Barton, we win big time. There is no lost here. Two-way street my ass. Boner vs Murder.... Read the full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/30/cindy-gladue-protests-bradley-barton-not-guilty_n_6966806.html 18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D***el B***e Report post Posted April 22, 2015 This discussion is on a serious one way street. Unless guys agree with Ms Marceau for the sake of looking good and thank you or nominate your post, they're going to be flamed by every single provider. You've purposely set it up to be a lose-lose situation for anyone who dares to comment. It's an extremist view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CristyCurves 169032 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 On a two way street everyone is equal and you wave at each other.....or honk and give the finger....but that's the extent of it. This industry is far from a two way street. Ladies CAN get hurt, taken advantage of........and worse. We all know !!! A fact. A dude may lose his anonymity, personal perception, family heartache and maybe business financial losses....etc. Big difference. That said. Ladies run their business model different ways. Whether it be by receiving a clients real name and info.... or by other screening methods, that is Your chosen method. If it works for you and economically then Yay. If the fellas don't work with your method then move along....as the fella's do. To throw a thread out there asking why guys won't give up their real name ? and it should be that simple....won't be Mary Poppin'ish....it's gonna be a shitshow. Those that are willing.....already do. Those that won't....never will. Sorry peeps.... But Wow !! Why is it that when some think a topic is not for discussion they'll refer to it as a shit show or inappropriate, or something other than a simple discussion. Which this is, a discussion. There will always be differing opinions and opposing sides in any discussion concerning any subject, that shouldn't cause it to be a shit show. The subject at hand is something we as companions deal with daily so discussing it is appropriate or how else does one understand or get resolve? "Throwing" this thread "out there" as you put it, was done because of my and others need to know and to inform. A topic shouldn't have have to be "mary poppin'ish" to be discussed. I don't think anyone has been overtly rude, sarcastic perhaps, but not offensively imo. To comment to your last statement "those that are willing already do, those that won't never will", none of us can speak for everyone, nor should we and I've gotten many gents to give their name after explaining why it is needed. Quite a few aren't aware of our needs as companions to screen, nor do a lot understand what info is needed to do so or why. So part of the reason for "throwing this thread out there" is to give a general explanation to those who may read this that aren't in the know or who may be reluctant simply because of that stupid new bill, which I feel has caused some to be more nervous than before and sorry "we" all don't know. There are many new members joining here, many who are new to everything so it can never hurt to discuss subjects that keep us all safe, sorry if this discussion offended you. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fr33yay0 1172 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 It's a great discussion... many opinions :) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Northman 16522 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 This discussion is on a serious one way street. Unless guys agree with Ms Marceau for the sake of looking good and thank you or nominate your post, they're going to be flamed by every single provider. You've purposely set it up to be a lose-lose situation for anyone who dares to comment. It's an extremist view. I think we're descending into Godwin's Law here. I agree that it's pretty inflammatory to start throwing the Robert Pictons and Bradley Bartons in our faces. Most of us are good men and I for one, don't appreciate being verbally bludgeoned into silence by the sex work equivalent of being accused of being a Nazi. Genevieve, please consider: the anti sex-work people often use inflammatory rhetoric and single out particularly horrid cases to make the argument that your job should be illegal. Would you use these same tools to silence discussion among those who are on your side? There are risks on both sides with using real names and contact information. Probably less so for men but still, not insignificant. I don't worry about using my real name but I can certainly understand some people being reluctant. In any event, it is definitely a two way street if only in one way: Both clients and providers have their own screening procedures and are free to not see someone for any reason they choose. Clients who won't give real names don't get to see providers who insist on them and providers who insist on them give up the segment of clientele who won't provide them. Simple economics. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeeRichards 177238 Report post Posted April 22, 2015 Clients who won't give real names don't get to see providers who insist on them and providers who insist on them give up the segment of clientele who won't provide them. Quite simple isn't it. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
