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This is part 2 to a thread I started long ago about painful DATY and digits. I tried to implement a system wherein I told each and every client the value of safety and comfort during those activities. After a while I stopped having that conversation because clients got to know me on cerb and through my website and blog. I am a woman who speaks up. I met a client this week for whom "it hurts" was an aphrodisiac. I would say "I'm sore" "that's enough" "STOP IT" and he rolled his eyes and threw up his hands. I said, stay away from that area entirely, but his fingers gravitated towards my vagina every 2 minutes, as if I wouldn't notice stabbing pain. I just want to say: I am a person. The vagina is a very delicate area. Money does not offer anyone VIP access to my body. Money does not buy anyone the right to treat escorts as blow up dolls. Not every woman can sustain, or enjoy, repeated and aggressive DATY. When I say it hurts, it hurts-- it is not my way of 'cutting down' on my services, or 'cheating' the client. Instituting boundaries is a key part of being a happy escort. It is not a sign that I am uptight, prude, chaste, damaged, or other words. There is nothing wrong with me if I don't like what the client is doing. I have found that some clients tend to see the escort as defective if she does not like what he is doing. There is an automatic assumption that something is wrong with her. It's not that I need to 'relax', 'take it easy', or 'go with the flow'. There is nothing inherently defective in my sexual organs or personality just because I don't like certain styles of daty or sex. I may be an escort but the thing that sustains my business is my personality, not my ability to orgasm at the slightest touch, or my ability to withstand pain for the sake of the client's enjoyment. I am so sore right now, and feel so low. Yes, I will once again become defensive about daty. I just wanted to explain why. ps. This was a non-cerb client. This thread is my way of seeking support, not an attempt to call out anybody. I have never met a cerb guy who treated me like this-- thank you for that.

It has long been bizarre to me that BBFS is considered so verbotten while bbbj is routine. Although the threat of HIV infection is reduced with bbbj it is not nil, in particular if the sp has has brushed or flossed before. SImilarly, there need not be ANY sign of infection for herpes to be transmitted. Herpes has been reported to be in the population in anywhere from 50-85 % level. For HObbyiests - Even if it doesnt express itself. If you are involved with a significant other and you are getting a bbbj you are playing the same russian roulette with your relationship. For SP's think about this, has any one of your hobbyiests ever once admitted to having herpes before a bbbJ? ever? Exactly. No one does but its out there. Alot. And even if he is a long standing regular - who is the sweetest guy and you have the best connection - he WILL lie. ANy time I have been with a service provider I have had this convo and they have all said that so many more hobbyiests asked for that and they need/want the business. I tell them to offer facials (with your eyes closed), it adds kick and is much much healthier for both parties. I have never had a bbbj and while the sensation may be diminished, I never ever wake up wondering if the guy three dudes ago had something and most sps are so talented its still better than anything out there. Anyways just my two cents.

Doesn't sound too good to be true just plain sounds bad...IMHO gang bang, fantasy or real is just waiting for someone to get hurt, usually the woman. I'd rather spend some quality time with one woman for an hour or two than stand in line waiting for my turn I also think from the sounds of it, some guys (if not all) are going to end up get rolled for their money, and won't be able to do anything because of embarrasment And how many would see an sp if there was a line up of 10 guys ahead of you??? Stay away My 2 cents RG

That is a good point on #3. If the sp is renting the hotel room, which they often do in order to not be having a bawdy house type incall location, technically it would still fall under that definition. One thing she can do is outcalls to hotel rooms, which may be why sps think that renting one makes it ok. Probably legally speaking it is not any more ok than renting a small apartment or doing it from home (both of which would be simpler and less hassle anyway). The gang bang guy could collect money if he had a legit escort agency service, technically. But some dude taking money from guys who get services from the sp is not just a pimp, but living off the avails, and procuring. (also that it is being publically announced on CL, means that LE has an opportunity to be all over it. Would not want to be the naked dudes in the lineup when the cops bust in!!)

It's for this very reason that I have avoided in-calls all together.......perhaps I am overly paranoid, but I guess it comes down to a comfort level..... SNK

I find Red Heads very attractive, always have. Neat article to say the least. I just wonder about the bias?? I've had wild sex with blondes and brunettes as well. It's all about chemistry, not hair color!!:bddog:

Gem clients are the ones who are polite, respectful, appreciative and who repeat.

One of my male friends e-mailed the guy just for a joke. As CK said, he sent out pics, and they were...atrocious. One was clearly a fake. Someone posted a couple of replies to his ad on CL, showing how the math doesn't add up. Looking at the minimum of 10 guys and 1 girl, at 15-20 minutes a piece, it would take 3 hours to for everyone to get off. So who decides who goes first - do they pull numbers out of a hat. What does the last guy do while his bros are doing their thing. It's obviously just some wannabe pimp thinking he's going to clean up. In his ads for girls, he promises $1,500 for 6 hours. In the ad for the guys, he promises free booze, food, etc. As pointed out in one of the retorts, 10 guys times $175 is $1,750. Minus the girls' share is $1,500. That leaves $250. for the room and all the trimmings? He told my friend he would like to have 30-60 guys and 5-8 girls. As pointed out above, what hotel would accommodate that? Also, how does he know who will actually show up. I thought it was a brilliant example of stuck on stupid!

Even if I had the fantasy of fucking 10+ guys at the same time, there is no way I would feel safe meeting up with 10 guys from Craig's List at a hotel. There is something seriously not right about this.

CERB is meant to be a "positive and friendly environment for all" - so posting the content of a debate, or someone trashing another individual or group is likely not in keeping with the CERB culture. Just my two cents but the best authority on this are the mods. Cheers.

this thread literally has my head going in circles. Mainly because I dont understand the point of it even after so many pages -none of the girls are offended by being "hired" nor take offence to FS being part of the equation -no member seems to be disagreeing that he is paying for a lady's time and companionship..but agrees with the ladies that sex is part of the job...but is polite about it it is what it is.....you approach it how you want to SA but from what I gather you cant separate both "inviting an SP over" and "realizing that by doing so you are paying her for sex" and ask if whether one is different from the other. Its like saying when you go to Baskin & Robins do you go only because you love the feeling of being around ice-cream and enjoying it...or do you only associate B&R with having to pay $2 for your ice-cream fix....and asking which is the right way to interpret it.... most people would look at you and say...huh? isnt it expected that if you go to there you will have to pay? arent both scenarios technically the same? they're both the same....and everyone here except you seems to be ok with that for some reason. I'm really surprised this turned into such a defensive thread on your part. Just accept the way you do things and move on already, my goodness. My brain hurts now and I do agree that you may be trying not only to convince us but yourself that hiring -I men "inviting over a gal" is more than what money can buy. all that being said I now have a craving for icecream....argh

Just thought I would throw it out there.... I personally feel kissing is more intimate than intercourse.