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Try not paying your lawyer or your mechanic and see what happens. They may send you demand letters, get a collection agency to call you endlessly, take you court, put a lien against your house or your car or make a report about you to the various credit bureaus. But if you don't pay me, what can I do? I could try to let others know what's happened. The chances are that I know more about you than you think. But will I? Probably not. Because in a conflict between me and a client, the man suddenly turns into a fine, up-standing man, a pillar of the community, admired by friends and strangers and a fine example of all that it is to be kind, conscientious, thoughtful, charitable and deeply good, not to mention the best and most faithful husband in the world. At the same time, I will rapidly turn into a lying, conniving, home-wrecking, desperate, likely drug-addicted bit of trash with nothing going for me but my probably-fading beauty and thinking too much of myself to do anything but lie down on a soft bed and expect men to shower me with $100 bills. Even more important than all of that, if I go after the guy who decides not to pay me, I have to "out" myself, not Samantha Evans, but me. Realistically, after that, my landlord could evict me and my ex unquestionably will act to take away the children that he refuses to support now. :tresmauvaisehumeur: Okay... I'll calm down a little bit. Let's put it this way. We screen our clients. We do the best we can to decide whether a prospective client is safe for us to see. Not just to see, but to have into our homes, into our beds and into our bodies. Those of us who don't have a pretty well-developed intuition don't do very well in this business, but none of us is perfect. We all take calls that we wish we'd turned away, sometimes. We're concerned about compatibility, for sure, but mostly we want to know that we're safe, that we don't have to worry that we're going to be harmed or outed publicly. A client's first meeting with a companion is the last step in the screening process. How that meeting goes will determine whether she's willing to see him again. If you show up and don't pay me before things get underway, you fail my screening test. Period.

I think it's a natural, obvious and generally wrong assumption that there is a necessary linkage between the price of the service and the quality of the service. I think that in general we are conditioned to believe that anything that comes with a price tag can be assessed by the level the price is set at. This gets transposed onto SP services as well. In Ottawa, the average hourly rate appears to be between 200 and 250 or so. In my limited experience here and elsewhere, I have seen some within and some above that range. And, regardless of what I paid, there was variability in the quality of service and my level of enjoyment of the time. Yes, the ones I paid more for were great experiences, but I also had a great experience for less. At no point did I think that it would be reasonable to haggle, negotiate or define that lady's quality of service by the price bracket they fell into. Frankly, I think that the service provided regardless of the person is so utterly personal and intimate that the going rate doesn't come close to meeting its true worth. It's one hell of a privilege to be able to share that level of intimacy and closeness with a woman. How do you truly put a price on intimacy? That said, I'm one of those less old guys with less free money to throw around, so I am necessarily limited in my activities and how far I can go with things. It's not that I don't think a lady charging $500 an hour isn't worth it, I simply have to look at the economics of it and see that I probably can't afford that. It's unfortunate because I'll miss out on meeting some truly sensational women, but it's just the reality I live in. That's not to say the ladies charging $200 are less sensational. So, to the point of lower prices being degrading, I don't think that at all. I think that, as others have said, the ladies should charge what they feel their time is worth, and the guys will just have to hope they are able to swim in those waters or look elsewhere. The only thing that is degrading is to do something that you don't want to do because you don't think you have a choice.

I read your post, re-read it, and read it again, you used the phrase overinflated, not me. And that term is disrespectful to the ladies no matter how you want to spin it now. Ladies charge what they think their time and companionship are worth. If you find for you it's too much, or your words, value for that $200, then see another lady...but to call her rates overinflated, it's not a fair comment towards the ladies I stand by my original comments RG

I think all you would need to do in your initial contact with your chosen lady would be to tell her just that. Its quite normal and helpful to outline any health problems before hand. Posted via Mobile Device

I see a number of posters have credited the PM with being prompt in referring this indiscrection to the Mounties. I would on the other hand be suspect that this wasn't known about in government circles already, and to be fair maybe his staff didn't inform him. It's called plausable deniability. I'm a cynic and think Harpers refferral was prompted not for any lofty reasons but because it was about to become public when released in the media.

Do your research guys and as others have said 95 to 99 % of the time you will be fine... With first time meetings or when I toftt always make the pmt up front.. After I have repeted a couple of times or more I like to pay in advance by Email when the apointment if confirmed if the SP is set up to receive money that way (most are) If you really want superior service and know you will see her regularly or a few time in the next few months try putting her on a retainer $$$ every 2 weeks for xx visits a month :) This may not work for everyone but has worked well a few times for me and it is easy to budget and it take that "GFE" illision more to a mistress situation which IMHO is far more realisitic... Loki318

First of all, I must say, I am absolutely amazed how many different opinions are here for every aspect of my initial post. I didn't think it would be of this variety, and I appreciate everyone how have responded to this, and to the degree of their opinions. Absolutely mindblowing! And to thoes who commented on my "degrading" portion of my post, degrading to me would be the amount of SP's who would lower their cost, to get more clients to "get their fix" I'm sorry to actually say that, but in thunder bay, there is a high drug problem here, which is sad, but is a fact I would NEVER mean to say any certain price is degrading because when I lived in winnipeg, just getting started I charged very very low ( I worked on "phone date lines" like lavalife and grapevine) and I am sorry to thoes who thought I ment that once u reach a certain level, its degrading, that was not my intention. I agree with everyone really, the high volume vs. Low volume, the qualitly of service vs. the lower quality, and "the better deal" and just what u can afford. To each their own Posted via Mobile Device

FO, you can take whatever you like from my posts. It is not manipulative at all, but if that is how you feel, so be it. I guess as a consumer/client and a guy that works hard for my money, I like to spend it the way I like. I don't pay my mechanic, doctor, lawyer, landscaper, carpenter or anyone else before they deliver their services. SP's claim that they are like any other professional that delivers a service, and want/demand to be treated as such. Mechanics, doctors, lawyers, landscapers do not get paid until they deliver their services to the consumer, so because it is for "companion time", it should be different? Aplying your thinking, taking the money before "companion time" has been enjoyed sounds manipulative to me. What recourse as a consumer of your "time" do I have if the she does not "deliver" What if she just sits there watching TV, on her cell, bitching about her husband/boyfriend/kids during my "companion time"? What if the agreed on " companion time" is 60 minutes and she decides to leave at the 40 minute mark? What if she is hungover or high during my time? Not like I can go to LE (which I would never do) or to the Better Business Bureau or Chamber of Commerce and lay a complaint is it? Is she going to refund me 1/3 of the agreed price if she cuts out at 40 minutes....don't think so. Those cases are very very few and far between. It is much more likely that they guy is screwed and has to suck it up, there are tons more cases of this happening than getting a refund. What happen's if I ask for 1/3 back for her cutting out early and she refuses, what if she decides to accuse me of sexual assault or something? Can I lay a complaint and have her license pulled? Fat chance. Truth of the matter is, once the guy pays, the SP has ALL the control and pretty much can do as she likes. The only recourse client's have is to post a review what happened and warn other's and that is pretty much what a "Review" forum is about, the exchange of information regarding SP's. The only thing we have going for us is that we can not repeat, post a review and warn others which puts a kink in an SP's reputation and may lower her income in getting fewer sessions when word gets out. I know you from other forum's FO and I actually do respect and agree with your thinking on quite a number of issues. As we are both aware, this is a recommendation board, and thus not your typical review board. Everything here is pretty much rosy and shinny and glowing, but not the real world if you think about it for a bit. There are many, more cases of guys getting ripped off than ladies, think CL, BP, Dutt's. When guys or ladies are exposed for ripping the other off, community peer pressure ensues and nature takes it's course and hopefully things get fixed most of the time. What it comes down to is trust and respect for each other. If you read my quote at the top, you can see that I agree with paying a girl up front if that is her policy. So, I don't quite get where you get off hanging this on me, because I did not disagree with you. What I indicated was that a number of ladies that "I have seen" are fine with the donation being given at the end and if they are a good provider their product "companion time" will stand the test (payment after a session). If a guy has a good reputation and the girl has a good reputation, it should not matter when the donation is given. As you ladies want to be treated as "professionals", then have your product stand the test and deliver your product with the confidence that your client will be happy and satisfied with your services. I pay my doctor after the visit, I pay my lawyer after the visit, I pay my mechanic after repairs are done. If their services are not what I paid for, I have the recourse of lodging a complaint with a professional association. Who do I lodge a complaint with when I pay up front and services are not delivered? I will tell you who......no one, except a review board. Any SP that I have seen a few times has no concern that I will pay after my "companion time", it is a given. I always pay no matter the service, because that was the agreement, I have no issue with that. The thing that I do is research extensively prior to a session (95% of the time) and only see ladies that have a proven track record of delivering. With respect and a proven track record by both parties there should be no concerns over when payment is to be received. If you want to be viewed as professionals then accept it for what it is. In my view if a lady is demanding payment up front there is usually a reason for it..............and it is not a good reason.

It's really interesting to read all of these opinions, and I guess pretty validating of my own strategy as a part-time, low volume gal. I certainly understand that an ability to pay higher rates does not a gentleman make, but nothing is more of a turn-off to me than haggling. I find those guys are usually offensive in other ways too, so the relationship ends then and there. I wanted to yell "don't shop at Holt Renfrew and ask for Sears prices!" last week, but kept my cool. :) PS. roamingguy and jackpackage, I particularly appreciate your respectful and thoughtful comments.

I know that I've learned a lot of things in my time as a paid companion. Thinking about some of that made me wonder what the men, here, might have learned from time they've spent with paid companions about sex about women, women's bodies and responses about their own bodies about themselves in general If you feel that you haven't learned, or needed to learn, anything, that's perfectly okay. But if you have learned something you didn't know before, I'd love to know what that might be! Additional Comments: To be fair, I thought I should say something about what I've learned. Two things come to mind. First, I am continually and profoundly saddened by the stories men tell me about their wives' apparent loss of interest in sex over time. I believe what men tell me because I hear the same things over and over again, deeply personal, sometimes painful stories or admissions about the lack of intimacy and erotic connection in their relationships or marriages. I was married for along time, myself. I know how exhausting raising children, running a house and managing a career can be. I recall too many times when, by the end of the day, I was worn out and couldn't imagine wanting one more person to touch me, to need something or to require my attention. But sex has always been very important to me and I never wanted to do without it, so I wasn't willing to let it go. I also recognize that only some men seek a companion's services because of the loss of intimacy at home. Many men are content with their marriages, their partners and their sex lives at home, but the want something else, more variety, or to scratch an itch or two that they can't, at home. I don't judge any of these reasons for seeing a paid companion. But I do feel sorry for other women who have decided to give up on pleasure, or who for whatever reason weren't able to find it to begin with. The second thing I've learned is how many men have felt inhibited about exploring women's bodies fully. Men who thoroughly enjoy sex, who say that they're happy in general, and who seem truly to like women, but who haven't been able to have the opportunity to examine, touch, experience and talk about things like g-spots or the anatomy of clitorises. That has surprised me. I've spent a lot of time lying back and showing someone what's where and how it works or how it feels to me. I'm happy to do it. It's often a heck of a lot of fun! But, since most of my visitors are over 50, I also feel a bit sad that they haven't been able to do this before.

The study is further flawed regarding age ranges, if you consider that the majority of reviewers will review sps in that age range simply because the majority of reviewers equate who they see with a perceived level of sexual attractiveness and stamina, etc on their own parts. I think you will find that the majority of 40+ sps, or even 35+, are rarely reviewed by anyone. When a reviewer "type" is trying to establish his own street cred, it won't be by showing everyone how he impressed a 40+ year old woman, but how studly he appeared and performed with a 25 year old. So rates as a reflection of age, not so much. This isn't to say that there are not more in that 25 ish age range. There are, oodles more. It just means tho that those who are in the higher age bracket are just as busy, if not more so, than the average 25 year old. There is less competition in that age group, and they do not need there to be as many clients vying for their attention as a 25 year old does. It is interesting as well that they assume that all sps are single, let alone that they have no children or even that they do not work while pregnant. While rare indeed, there always have been pregnant sps lol. And we have no way of telling solely based on a template style review (we will assume it is T E R, since they are the main ones with an imposed numbering system), which of the sps are single, divorced, married, engaged whatever whatever. You'd think part of their study might include actually discussing this with an actual live sp. Having said that, I think it is a fun study and certainly interesting conclusions. I think it would be a good rebuttal for anyone who thinks rates are too high for some sps lol. Now we can cite a study that proves that 25 ish year old sps must charge more, since they are giving up their child bearing years for the benefit of their clients.

Most gentlemen on this board are to polite to publicy reply to such a question because each experience is unique and personal. Some one may have a teriffic experience with one lady but to say she is the hottest is comparing her to other ladies and usually is not done. Take some time and look at all the ladies profiles and check the Recco Pages and I am sure you will find a lady that suites you to a "T".

Mines a bit sadder, but ultimately in a good way for me: although I always tremendously enjoy the time I spend with the ladies I have met here, there is sometimes a pretty profound since of lonliness and sadness after the end of an encounter. That's probably because I only "hobby" when I am in Ottawa visiting, so an encounter always ends with me in an empty hotel room. However, there are always good memories and the hope of maybe exchanging an e-mail or two to keep up later, and I am always very happy to get back to my home life and family. Maybe this is what "male menopause" is all about? :icon_smile:

I have learned that even escorts are like dating I have met ones that i like and didn't like. Some like to to teach. Others don't. Some are just it it for the money and others exude at what they do and make it enjoyable for their clientele. Each person is an individual an can only be themselves. To me the ones who make me feel good about myself after session are the ones I would like to repeat with. But all you ladies I believe provide a service that is required in society. And I hope you all have a great time with us hobbiests.

Cindy - love your avatar. :bowdown: Here are three more movies for you that involve escorts and personal/professional aspects of the business. I recommend them all. Klute with Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland. She plays a New York escort who's being stalked; he plays a detective using her to try to figure out what happened to a friend who disappeared and seemed to have a secret life. She's brittle yet powerful; he's low-key, drawn to her, falls in love/tries to protect her (and she's a little stressed/messed up). Unusual combination and great chemistry. Mona Lisa: revolves around a driver (Bob Hoskins) for an escort. He's not too bright, she's beautiful, complicated, and disappears - he tries to find her, discovers unexpected feelings. Two things stand out: Hoskins is fantastic and makes the movie, and the title song ("Mona Lisa" sung by Nat King Cole) just blows you away because it perfectly captures the movie's mix of beauty and sadness. Hustle and Flow: about a small-time pimp (Terrence Howard) who's terrible at his job and tries to find a new path. Howard is funny, and simultaneously pathetic and sympathetic. Great opening scene as Howard lamely tries to convince a john to book something with one of his girls, who's sitting right there in his car, bored and totally unimpressed with how bad he is at his job. Maybe we should have a movie night???