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Try not paying your lawyer or your mechanic and see what happens. They may send you demand letters, get a collection agency to call you endlessly, take you court, put a lien against your house or your car or make a report about you to the various credit bureaus. But if you don't pay me, what can I do? I could try to let others know what's happened. The chances are that I know more about you than you think. But will I? Probably not. Because in a conflict between me and a client, the man suddenly turns into a fine, up-standing man, a pillar of the community, admired by friends and strangers and a fine example of all that it is to be kind, conscientious, thoughtful, charitable and deeply good, not to mention the best and most faithful husband in the world. At the same time, I will rapidly turn into a lying, conniving, home-wrecking, desperate, likely drug-addicted bit of trash with nothing going for me but my probably-fading beauty and thinking too much of myself to do anything but lie down on a soft bed and expect men to shower me with $100 bills. Even more important than all of that, if I go after the guy who decides not to pay me, I have to "out" myself, not Samantha Evans, but me. Realistically, after that, my landlord could evict me and my ex unquestionably will act to take away the children that he refuses to support now. :tresmauvaisehumeur: Okay... I'll calm down a little bit. Let's put it this way. We screen our clients. We do the best we can to decide whether a prospective client is safe for us to see. Not just to see, but to have into our homes, into our beds and into our bodies. Those of us who don't have a pretty well-developed intuition don't do very well in this business, but none of us is perfect. We all take calls that we wish we'd turned away, sometimes. We're concerned about compatibility, for sure, but mostly we want to know that we're safe, that we don't have to worry that we're going to be harmed or outed publicly. A client's first meeting with a companion is the last step in the screening process. How that meeting goes will determine whether she's willing to see him again. If you show up and don't pay me before things get underway, you fail my screening test. Period.

Good lord, saying 'poor girl' here is a complete oxymoron. And regardless of whether or not there was anything illegal going on, the fact that she was an escort is integral to how all of this came to be in the first place. Do you think this couple met at a mixer for affluent, influential, retirement-aged men and barely out of their teens Paris Hilton wannabe's? If she wasn't an escort, most here reading this story would be whispering 'golddigger' under their breath. But no, instead it's a tragedy about the media outing a girl who was once a popular SP here. And she's been tied to this man for a least a few months as a fiancee, as a homeowner, with a Mercedes - yet when did her website with pictures clearly showing her face go down? How monumentally stupid are these people? Poor girl my ass. This story has more than a few similarities to the recent Macklem drama. The blatantly callous and malicious aspect is missing, but the age old fable of foolish men with money and a simple young girl using sex to get into that life of luxury is all there.

Wow, this post is so offensive I don't know where to start. 1) I recently hired a lawyer to research for me all the legalities surrounding my business so I could have a thorough understanding. She received a $1000 retainer before delivering her services to me. 2) The professionals you speak of have LEGAL recourses to obtain money not paid. Didn't pay your lawyer? She can take you to court! But look luck seeing an escort pursue such legal means! I think the point many of us make is that we would LIKE to be like any other professional, and that is why activist groups exist, but we are not there yet! I would love to have the same rights as others professions! Sounds to me like you're actually the one interested in manipulating. Afraid of getting screwed over? Choose a well-reviewed companion! Have someone screw you over? Post that on an online review board! On another note, I provide much better service when I'm paid upfront, as I do request. When I'm not paid upfront (as I didn't always ask in the beginning) there was a minor stress throughout the session wondering: "Is he going to pay me?" I'm actually more likely to get the client out the door right on time when he hasn't paid because I'm eager to get my money and get that stress out of me. When he has paid, I sometimes allow things to linger a bit. I'm in no rush, though when I'm not paid I'm certainly in a rush to get paid! Summary? If you don't pay me upfront, I won't provide as good service because my mind is elsewhere, and I'm more likely to boot you out the door because I want to receive my payment. This doesn't happen anymore as I ask for payment upfront! Withholding payment because you think you will get better service just sounds ridiculous to me. If you have to do this to get good service, you obviously haven't chosen a good provider! FYI, every time I've heard of a lady getting ripped out (an envelope filled with Canadian Tire money, a stack of bills with $5's inside, and $20 on the outside, etc) it had NOTHING to do with her service! Guys who like to rip off ladies will rip them off no matter what the service. If you are not satisfied with the service, you should NOT withhold payment. You should discuss it with her and see if you can come to an agreement. Could she give you a partial refund? A longer session at the same price? You don't have the right to withhold payment just because you didn't like the service she offered. This isn't a "pay me what you feel I was worth" deal. If you agreed to pay her $200, you need to be honourable and pay her the $200 for her hour. If you can't agree to do that because you don't trust the lady will deliver the service you're looking for, then don't go see her. Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. I'm well-reviewed, give great service, and ask for payment upfront. The reason being: I want to be relaxed during the session and not thinking about money & I don't want to get ripped off. There is no alterior motive or hidden agenda. I'm also happy to say that in 3.5 years in the sex industry (stripping and massage) I have NEVER been ripped off. As such, I will continue my "payment upfront" policy.

and the reason usually is some dude got the service and didn't pay or short changed the lady.

FO, you can take whatever you like from my posts. It is not manipulative at all, but if that is how you feel, so be it. I guess as a consumer/client and a guy that works hard for my money, I like to spend it the way I like. I don't pay my mechanic, doctor, lawyer, landscaper, carpenter or anyone else before they deliver their services. SP's claim that they are like any other professional that delivers a service, and want/demand to be treated as such. Mechanics, doctors, lawyers, landscapers do not get paid until they deliver their services to the consumer, so because it is for "companion time", it should be different? Aplying your thinking, taking the money before "companion time" has been enjoyed sounds manipulative to me. What recourse as a consumer of your "time" do I have if the she does not "deliver" What if she just sits there watching TV, on her cell, bitching about her husband/boyfriend/kids during my "companion time"? What if the agreed on " companion time" is 60 minutes and she decides to leave at the 40 minute mark? What if she is hungover or high during my time? Not like I can go to LE (which I would never do) or to the Better Business Bureau or Chamber of Commerce and lay a complaint is it? Is she going to refund me 1/3 of the agreed price if she cuts out at 40 minutes....don't think so. Those cases are very very few and far between. It is much more likely that they guy is screwed and has to suck it up, there are tons more cases of this happening than getting a refund. What happen's if I ask for 1/3 back for her cutting out early and she refuses, what if she decides to accuse me of sexual assault or something? Can I lay a complaint and have her license pulled? Fat chance. Truth of the matter is, once the guy pays, the SP has ALL the control and pretty much can do as she likes. The only recourse client's have is to post a review what happened and warn other's and that is pretty much what a "Review" forum is about, the exchange of information regarding SP's. The only thing we have going for us is that we can not repeat, post a review and warn others which puts a kink in an SP's reputation and may lower her income in getting fewer sessions when word gets out. I know you from other forum's FO and I actually do respect and agree with your thinking on quite a number of issues. As we are both aware, this is a recommendation board, and thus not your typical review board. Everything here is pretty much rosy and shinny and glowing, but not the real world if you think about it for a bit. There are many, more cases of guys getting ripped off than ladies, think CL, BP, Dutt's. When guys or ladies are exposed for ripping the other off, community peer pressure ensues and nature takes it's course and hopefully things get fixed most of the time. What it comes down to is trust and respect for each other. If you read my quote at the top, you can see that I agree with paying a girl up front if that is her policy. So, I don't quite get where you get off hanging this on me, because I did not disagree with you. What I indicated was that a number of ladies that "I have seen" are fine with the donation being given at the end and if they are a good provider their product "companion time" will stand the test (payment after a session). If a guy has a good reputation and the girl has a good reputation, it should not matter when the donation is given. As you ladies want to be treated as "professionals", then have your product stand the test and deliver your product with the confidence that your client will be happy and satisfied with your services. I pay my doctor after the visit, I pay my lawyer after the visit, I pay my mechanic after repairs are done. If their services are not what I paid for, I have the recourse of lodging a complaint with a professional association. Who do I lodge a complaint with when I pay up front and services are not delivered? I will tell you who......no one, except a review board. Any SP that I have seen a few times has no concern that I will pay after my "companion time", it is a given. I always pay no matter the service, because that was the agreement, I have no issue with that. The thing that I do is research extensively prior to a session (95% of the time) and only see ladies that have a proven track record of delivering. With respect and a proven track record by both parties there should be no concerns over when payment is to be received. If you want to be viewed as professionals then accept it for what it is. In my view if a lady is demanding payment up front there is usually a reason for it..............and it is not a good reason.

I was asked about a dozen times to let members know how the Sybian party went so I thought I would do it here. First we had a couple of fairly late cancelations and two ladies were a no show inspite of the fact that 1 re-confirmed the night before. We received no cancelation phone calls but a reasonable explanation after the party. Fortunately I had a lady that I was confident would come on short notice. She had experienced the Sabian the previous night and I told her about the party. Inspite of the fact that she was shopping when I called her, she was at the hotel suite in less that 45 minutes. Until 9:00 we chatted, sipped wine or juice , nibbled and shared experiences.I had no idea that TS persons were of such interrest to ladies ( they don't interrest me in the least.) At 9:00 the games began. The first event was the fully clothed, panties on, no penitration Sybian experience( there was a reason for this modest introduction). There was a little hesitation about who would try this first. When a small remuneration was offered there was some friendly buisness negotiation, but nothing I precieved as greed. Kaylee was the first rider. The idea was to ride the Sybian in full view of all present without exposeing one's panties. The concept being that everyone was going to see the ecstacy on the rider's face and witness the changes in her body. For the rider the object is self explanitory. A hush(almost embasassing) fell over the party as everyone watched Kaylee take her first ride. I shouldn't really describe it any further than to say it was beautiful for all of us; as was Elizabeth's first ride, as was Cindy's. I am very happy to say that not one of the ladies mounted the saddle for 10 seconds, got up and said " that's enough". There was a little minor adjusting and positioning but other than that each lady rode that stallion to satisfaction. After that event we held a panty auction. Here the ladies stayed out of sight from the men while I described in turn each ladies panties and I acted as auctioneer ( and sometime bidder) in a panty auction. Now you can see why we had the ' panty on Sabian experience' first. I think that it helped add a little something to the value of the panties that the men would bid on. This event was fun, I certainly had fun, and I think all would agree. The proceeds went directly to the ladies involved and the prices paid were pretty much where I hoped they would be. Except one of the guys became overly excited and purchased 2 pair. I planned the party withequal number of men and ladies. Unfortunately I lost out. (I will have to discuss with him the concept of share. lol) After the auction the men had the priviledge of removing the panties from the ladies.They did so with all the haste of a worker on a goverment contract. Which only added to the anticipation and delight of everyone. Once the panties were in the posession of their new owners, they were given back to the ladies, temporarily, for the panty toss. If we were in the Jakarta room at Marriagi's this would have been a toss into the chandlier. but since we weren't the ladies tossed their panties at a make-shift ring toss board that was festuned with prizes in various denominations. This worked out to be not quite as easy as expected so it took a bit of time and several tosses for each pair to find a home and suitable reward for their former owners. I believe one of the guys was drafted in as a relief pitcher. When the prizes were distibuted each lady also got a gift certificate to La Senza for garment replacement. The ladies surrendered their panties, and the panties were not replaced for the duration of the evening. Time for more refreshments, and conversation , a bit foreplay and intamacy. After that two of the ladies treated us to some shadow dancing of a decidedly suggestive nature from behind a back light screen, hot, hot,hot ! From this point on I will try always to include this in our evenings entertainment. We followed that with our version of a glory-hole. In every respect the evening was ment to be as delightful for the spectators as for the participants and I think it worked. After that there was more conversation, refreshments, and a room was made available for private intamacy. Then the ladies availed themselves of the Sabian, again. This time without panties and with the small size appendage attatched , and penitration. Once again the din of silence was unbelieveable as the machine was dialed up to 70% power and a little beyond on both rotation and vibration. Again the rides were not short duration and one lady even chose to ride it a third time. The party lasted well past midnight and may well have lasted longer but more than a couple of us had work and go to meetings in the morning. Intersperse with the activities were booty bags for the ladies and prise draws for the ladies. The final draw for the evening was for a Colombian emerald ring of .69 ct. There was a picture taken of it, which I don't have. Maybe the owner of the photo can add it to this post. There were activities that I can't comment on and others that I won't. I think most of us would do it all again, or something close to it. (there should always be changes). I am not sure when the next 'chicas party for ladies and gentlemen' will be held, only that there will be another. ...chicas/chavez

I like your choice of words, Megan. Language can not only be interesting but also dis-interesting! You have the good fortune to not need any augmentation! In my opinion your's are perfect just the way they are.... no augmentation needed. J

Remember sitting at the kitchen table, dad giving me the talk. This was the talk (keep in mind I was just a young pup teenager, not even old enough to drive) Every girl you go to bed with you must be prepared to stay with her for life, because if she gets pregnant, you HAVE to support her and marry her. That was my home sex ed talk...got a better one at school How did everyone else's parents deal with the talk RG

I agree - I have had a few sessions right before work over the years and it was amazing... the rest of the day just seems to much better! If I was the boss of a large organization, I'd hire a full-time massage provider to do the rounds every day... I can only imagine the increase in productivity!

Your way off with this....I travel and ask for pre-payment from some new clients via money transfer. Never have I felt so offended by some ones comments, take your negativity to another board. If a lady feels the need to ask for money upfront she has her reasons and they are really none of your business or concern. This is a business (A REAL Business) to many of us, so have the respect to respect our policys

This woman must be going through hell right now. This `political operative` she got involved with already has the battle scars of his `profession`'''-she has just learned in the most difficult way. Being aware of the manner in which funding/scams and First Nations operatives work, all of this is very plausible. And there is always collateral damage on the way through. That damage is to her and the fact they will likely never see that contract brought to fruition. At this point it does not matter if the allegations are true or not--the damage has been done to her. Politicos like him have 9 lives'''they just move on to other `opportunities`

Wow...I'm a little slow picking up on this thread but ya....this is not a mechanic shop here. Curious though. If someone just got their car fixed but said "hey, I am not happy with your quality of service so here, I am giving you $200 instead of $300". You think they would be driving their car outta there? Don't think so. Pretty straight forward. Pay the SP upfront. That is just exactly how this world of SP / Hobbying works. And a wonderful world it is. But, just like anything else in life, if you have had a bad experience then what can you do but suck it up, learn from the experience and make better or different choices in the future. These ladies deal with a lot of risk and a lot of BS as well from the idiots out there so how about at least we Cerbies be courteous and considerate and follow a very simple requirement. My take on it.

I would walk in stark naked with a straight face and ask my roommate" Is this tonight's starlet? When are you going to be done, I'd like my turn soon." Or..One I've done on my friend that invited me over and disappeared to the bedroom, making obvious sex noises, so I grabbed a camera, walked right in and took some pictures, and another time, same girl, different guy.. I walked in, he had her on the edge of the bed and his back was turned to me, I sneaked up, grabbed his hips yelled "oh baby, yes, this is what I'm talking about" and proceeded to dry hump his ass as if I was doing him doggy style. They got a little miffed, but in my defense I said "If you want to have loud over zealous sex (knowing I can hear you), you'd go to his place or obviously you were inviting me".

I had never really seen a naked woman before, until Playboy, and I will honestly say it fucked me up. I thought you had to be blonde with huge tits to be sexy. Never imagined you could be sexy with brown hair and small boobs until I was 18 and had unrestricted access to the internet.

As far as I can recall neither my parents nor any of the schools I went to ever gave me the talk. We moved alot and that might explaine how I missed it at school. If any one can fill me in it would be greatly appreciate it. November

So much of pricing is subjective, in the end. We make generalizations because they work for us in nearly every aspect of our lives, whether they're always accurate or not. There are some wonderful companions out there who may charge as little as $100 an hour. They're caring, compassionate and beautiful women who give fabulous, individualized service and enjoy what they do. As long as they're enjoying their work and are treated well by their clients, I'm happy for them. I can well understand why it may appear that some of us charge too much. I hear this, myself, occasionally. I'm almost 45 years old. I'm not as beautiful as I was, say, 20 years ago. Isn't it arrogant of me to has such high rates? Surely no one really pays them! I can probably be convinced to take less and be glad that I got a meeting, right? No. If someone can't afford my fees, I tell them they can see someone else, now, or they might wait awhile and save a bit of money until they can afford me. I have clients who say they're happy they did that. Other men have opted for someone else. I'm in this to make a living. If I can't find enough clients who will pay what I ask, often enough, I won't succeed. I'll need to figure out what's wrong. Maybe I'm not advertising enough or in the right places. Maybe I'm not available at the times that prospective clients can see me most easily. Maybe the quality of what I offer isn't good enough to bring in as much repeat business as I'd like. Maybe there aren't enough potential clients out there whom I would like to see and who can afford me. Maybe my rates are too high. I've been in this business for quite awhile. I'm earning what I want to be earning both because I seem to appeal to a particular demographic--older men who want the company of a woman my age--and there are comparatively few companions my age to compete with. An abundance of purchasers seeking a relatively rare commodity does tend to translate into a higher price. It helps that I'm very good at what I do, too, if I do say so myself. :biggrin:

I remember every client I have ever met! Every one of them have taken a piece of me with them when they move on in their lives. I completely agree with SA. Some were great people and we did create some kind of relationship, that I will miss. I also know this is not true with every person. I have met some people in this business who just want to forget day to day. But for me it is so much more. I like to help people, and show them some one does care for them. Even if it is just lending an ear, or giving them a hug when they need one. This is just my opinion, but I completely agree with you SA! I will always remember and cherish my time. It is how we learn and grow in life, by experiences and learning from others experiences.

It may not be a big deal for many or many cases but when I see someone and we exchange hugs and cuddles and kisses and love and passion and with some even intimacy, unless I am a total robot, there will got to be some kind of emotions or passions developed too between two humans so intimate... For me it is most of the time a date and ladies that I see are regarded as guests and friends.... For example I used to see several beautiful college/university student dancers over several years each. We must have exchanged thousands of kisses and many many hours together including private dances in CRs but also shared drinks, views, talked about personal life, friends and family, dined, kissed, hugged and ...... and suddenly she graduates and gone (leaves Ottawa to another city) and I am likely unable to see her again for rest of my life. If I am not supposed to feel anything then I would be a robot (or Mr. Spock lol:icon_smile:). Yes I am very very happy for all of them that they found better jobs or a job to their liking or bfs or got married and I still enjoy the pleasant memories of the time we had together, but as I said I can't help missing them and their companionships:icon_cry:.

If your up to it . . . . . . .if you have any friends with dogs who are looking to get away one weekend, offer to puppysit. hat way your room mate will understand what it's like to live with a dog as well. It might teach him some appreciation.

I never call it money {present}. I've had it happen a few times. Sometimes we just are so caught up in things that we forget. Forget to mention our "present", forget to leave the "present". Every time it's happened i just ask...did you remember the present? The guys have it and give it to me..no hard feelings. We usually laugh as i know it wasn't done on purpose. I do feel awkward having to ask but hey you would ask if you didn't get paid,right? I've even had times when we both forgot and the gentleman returned right away with it. So i wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure she knows it was an accident. It would be a different story however if you didn't even have the "present" on you. Then I would kick your ass...hahaha kisses, Emma

First question that comes to mind, why no cell phone...cheap throwaway phones under $100.00 are available. I'm was one of the last (pre hobbying days) to get on the cell phone craze, now I'm converted, all I have is a cell phone. (not only for calls, but texting too) As for a lady, there are alot that do not require references, as WIT said. Using the search function on CERB, you'll find alot of great ladies. If we knew what city you were going to be in, some suggestions could be made. But just because you have alot of money and higher end tastes (not actually sure what that means) doesn't get your foot in the door. When you see a profile of a lady that interests you, contact her. Be a gentleman. Be respectful in your questions. Put simply, treat them like ladies...because they are. In person, again, be a gentleman...as a matter of fact cardinal rule #1, ALWAYS BE A GENTLEMAN. And hygiene (freshly showered, shaved, brush your teeth, mouthwash etc) Don't show up under the influence. Be punctual, and if running late, phone the lady to let her know. If you have to cancel, call her, let her know. Others may have more pointers and tips...that's all I can think of past my bedtime Good luck and have fun RG

I found the ultra thin from trojan was garbage. Other than the tearing problems (so thin... what'd u expect) I found it did not roll on so smoothly. Overall garbage.

Taylor Rain, Sasha Grey, and Gauge are my favorite 3 girls to watch.

Last night I broke out of my cocoon and flittered over to Prestige to sample the sweet nectar of their Asian flower, Zoe. Knowing it was her birthday I brought a bouquet of Pink Roses for Zoe to put in her Garden of Eden. After sorting things out, we toasted each other with our favorite, an iced Baileys. Then we settled into each other arms to celebrate another year of friendship. Nestled back in our private meadow, we twisted and turned until the warmth of our bodies caused a sensous flow, the sweet taste of nectar I could not get enough of. This Asian Flower, always in full bloom. Her beauty exquisite, her scent intoxicating. Mother Nature has gifted us with a treasured garden. See for yourself, book a tour of the Garden and let Mother Nature share this amazing Thai Flower with you. Thank you My Sweet Angel for another spectacular visit. XXX...OOO