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As the ohhhhh so lovely Kimberly and Meg have stated, we have rules and one of those rules is that we don't discuss things that are illegal. CERB provides a great opportunity to express views, share stories and generally have fantastic discourse between business person and client. I really believe that this industry is a pioneer in open and frank dialogue - and this outlet, our beloved CERB, is one of the safe havens where you can develop and foster a real understanding of the concerns that are out there. Sometimes we all make errors in judgment. We assume that people will be on board with our personal sense of humour, our moral code, and our sense of joy or outrage at world events. We push the boundaries of good taste, we make light of other's misery, we dismiss other's beliefs because they do not align with our own. That's life. That's reality. That's also the rationale for having rules. The rules, let's face it... the rules are pretty damn liberal. We talk about stuff here that would make our moms blush. It's lively, it's serious, it's lighthearted, it's sexy... and it's all ours. The few rules that we have are there to protect our collective derrieres. We may not always agree. We may regret what we have written. We may have to sit in a corner for a week or two (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa...) for being too lively in our discourse or intercourse (hehehehe I said intercourse!!!) - but warts and all, you will NEVER find a better group of people with a sense of commonality and community than we have at CERB. That's just one cents worth... I am saving my other penny for the champagne room ;)

tongue firmly in cheek... why the over 35 crowd gets the girl.... 1. Multiple shots on goal means a three day booking 2. We are extraordinarily grateful that someone will even stay in the same room as us when we are naked. 3. Nap time is on the clock. 4. Cuddle time may just be the best we can do. 5. Less likely to stalk, we barely even remember where we live. 6. While we remember to bring the envelope, we might not remember why we came. 7. We can help with history assignments in post secondary courses. We were there when it all happened. 8. Arthritis prevents us from being too grabby.

There comes a time when we all face tough decisions and have to make difficult choices, let's show her some support and love by celebrating her sparkling eyes, witty sense of humor and wish her the best in her future path. We'll miss you Cindy!!

I'm very curious as to why you, JoeBlow, seem to be encouraging extras in the CR at strip clubs? You know this is prohibited, you know the girl could get in trouble if she is caught, and you know that if you really wanted your dick sucked, you could simply go to an escort. But for some reason, since I have moved here(to Canada), I have witnessed Strip Clubs being no more that under-exaggerated Brothels. Don't mean to hijack your thread, but it seems to me that there is a lot more to risk and in the end benefits only the gent and screws the lady over. Because as I see it, no girl starts as a stripper thinking she's gonna be sucking dick for $40 in the CR when all she really thought it would be was dancing naked. The entire reason girls end up doing extras at clubs is because they feel pressure to do so. They think "well if others girls do that to make money, I better keep up or I'll go home with nothing!" Maybe I'm too sensitive, but I don't see bragging about illegal activities is really all that cool. And the girl in your story had it right on.

Illegal as in the letter of the law or illegal as in what is currently practiced in Ottawa? Currently, roughly 96% of charges for prostitution are "soliciting in public or within public view" which is what joeblow1969/gagagaga was talking about. Bawdy houses are not currently being prosecuted in Ottawa unless there are exceptional circumstances. The practice of the law is much more relevant than the letter of the law.

Words do have meaning and a force either taught or by cultural assimilation. For me, faggot is always a bundle of sticks and fag a cigarette. *shrug* There is no need to call someone a slut or whore just because they reclaimed the word. As long as you understand the context in which it is used the words themselves would take the meaning the speaker intends. Call the ladies in the polite manners in which you were taught.

We're all daytime dancers :). Cherry is a night girl but will sometimes work the occasional days. hope this helps Ps. I'll start posting up my schedule on my profile. Sonia Posted via Mobile Device

I might be in the minority here but I disagree that when reclaiming a word it's still only appropriate in familiar circles, I think that goes against the idea of reclaiming a word because you are still giving the word it's negative power by restricting it's use and putting limits on it. I believe if you truly want to embrace a word and reclaim it you need to accept that others will use the word in a variety of contexts and ways and it's your responsibility to not give the word such power. If someone calls me a slut I can smile and agree with them; I can then examine the context and tone in which they used the term and respond appropriately, if I believe the term was used in a positive light I might expand on my "slutty ways" and extend the joke, story or however it was used, if however it was meant to degrade and insult then I will agree that I am a slut and explain why I think that's a good thing (strong and healthy sexuality, comfortable with my own body, informed and making informed decisions about my sexuality, etc. depending on their objection) and ask them why they find these things so offensive and would believe that would be an insulting term. I don't believe that those trying to reclaim a word are doing a movement any favours when they tell people they limit the word use and definitions. I believe the most important part of fully reclaiming a word is accepting both the positive and negative definitions and uses and working to change the perceptions surrounding that word. The LGBT community has shown how effective this can be, they have taken many words including Queer and made it mainstream, you cannot insult someone with a word that they as a community use as a descriptor. They didn't tell people they couldn't or shouldn't use the word instead they made it mainstream so that those who would normally be 'on the fence' those that would avoid the word because it might offend someone had to use it at some point. Queer was on posters, documents, community group handouts and even in the names, it was on tv (Queer as Folk) and found it's way into music and eventually popular culture - it didn't take long for the ladies around the office water cooler to start using the word queer and once they started using it then you could no longer insult someone by calling them a queer - the word had no power. I'm not offended if someone calls me a slut, whore or any number of names but I am offended if someone is trying to degrade or insult me no matter what words they use.

i have 2 golden retrievers very good with people there not a cross dog but not much of watch dogs i think they would help the people rob the house lol but if u want some kind of a dog that could be a kid there a dog for u always got to be stuck to you

First I thought of the manatee.....but now I am beginning to think that the snufalufagus is better.... What the f is a snufalufagus.....Sesame Street character. I am kind of big I am kind of hairy.....almost furry Some people do not think I actually exist No one believes the people that have said to ha ve seen me My best friend is my big bird I kind of have a b ig trunk...... Yup....looks more like snufalufagus Posted via Mobile Device

I agree! Sometimes we just need a break and taking a step back is as good or even better than cutting all ties. Just recently I too was contemplating my role and future here on Cerb. I removed my avatar, profile pic., guestbook and just "lurked." By doing that I realized that I wanted to stay and by staying it didn't mean I had to live and breathe Cerb. We all have lives and opinions and sometimes our lives and opinions momentarily clash with others and even ourselves. My advice take some time, contemplate things and make an informed decision.

Joeblow, I know I'll miss you. I'm like you....but I just don't come around for a while then try again every so often. The world isn't always black and white...member or not a member. The grey area, meaning being a silent member is good sometimes.

That's what it states in the rules/faq section: Under the heading - "Do Not Discuss Anything Illegal" http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_discussillegal .

As I always have said I'm a visual creature, and I had just loved Emily's photo albums just recently posted. She is a MA with Paradise Spa, and today was her first day! I was quite pleased and happy to be her first client as well and her first of the day, as she said 'I popped her MA cherry' Emily is stunningly attractive, and really knew how to create sensuality,eroticism while we showered together,had some hot tub fun and of course the finale..the sensual massage. Emily did NOT need any assistance or training with another experienced lady of the spa, she was quite capable,and more then, capable of delivering one very fine hour time spent with a gorgeous lady. I will repeat no doubt about it, she is gorgeous,has a beautiful body (must of told her that several times) has an infectious smile and delivers a exploding finish to a great massage. Thanks Emily you certainly will be a sucess and Paradise Spa, Paradise has done a excellent job recruiting you. Oh here is some visual for you gents... And I just loved her perfect bum...she is amazing!!

When I was an educator and telling kids about "life long learning', or when I was in workshops and seminars where I was on the receiving end of that message, never in my wildest dreams did I believe that one aspect of my life long learning would be in the area of sex workers and language development. Slut. Whore. Prostitute. Queer. Words. The first time that I received a communication here from a lady who used some of those words to define herself, I was in a state of confusion. "But she seems like such a nice person", I thought to myself. I was rather quick to write back, questioning her on the choice of words, explaining that for me, they all came with negative connotations, thoughts and attitudes. Did she not demean herself by using them? And thus, another aspect of my education had begun. She was quick to respond, and took time to try to explain how those words are being 'reclaimed', and that she and others have adopted them again with pride. I know that in the spring of this year was the first that I heard of slut walks in various cities around the country, and even at that time I wondered, but those events had already started me along the path of accepting that some women WERE redefining language, and doing it positively and emphatically. Reality however cannot be ignored. Lifelong learning is a concept, but a life time of having LEARNED something is a very very difficult thing to overturn, or at least to overturn quickly. How many generations has it taken to achieve equality between races, and no, we are not there yet either. I am trying desperately to reconcile. I know with certainty that my thinking has changed 100% in regards to a woman using those terms towards herself. I understand why, and I understand and respect them for doing so. And I think to myself, "Good for you. Be who and what you are." We live in a society, and some of us have lived in it longer than others. I have a sense that many of the men here on CERB are 'older" while many of the women are a lot younger and therefore of a different generation. Even with what I have learned to this point, I honestly in my heart would find it virtually impossible to refer to a woman as a slut. It is ingrained. It has been forever. And the curious thing is that no one ever specifically taught me that. It just seems that it was, and is, disrespectful for me, who likes to think of himself as a gentleman, a respectful person, to address someone with that language, and yes, there is even a 'tone' associated with it in my head. As I said, ingrained. I have seen over and over here in various threads that women enjoy meeting with respectful, polite, gentlemen. Is there a contradiction there, or does the contradiction lie solely with me? I cannot and should not presume to speak for a generation of men, but, I wonder if others are having difficulty 'unlearning'? Respect for others is something that I believe all of us believe in and try to practice. The respect from others for being who you are and what you are and the language that you define yourself by requires a huge jump by perhaps many of us in that 'older generation'. It is a curious phenomenon that right now, I DO respect the choices that people make in terms of language that they apply to themselves, to their choices of living openly as queer, or prostitutes. I respect the choices and I respect the women who choose that for their right to decide and be and act and define themselves as they wish. But yes, and there is a but here, education is key and that education will take more than simply becoming open with who your are and your semantics, or explaining it once. There is a generation such as myself, who have, who truly have the best of intentions to accept and respect the words/terms and language, but we have many years of indoctrination to overcome. It will take time to change the thinking and attitudes of a generation. I am trying. I am there to a large degree. I am not yet ready to call you a slut. So, where am I in reality? A lifelong learner I am.

Fawlty towers kills me. I love it!

Absolutely, CK. All the best to Cindy!

Bridgette will post her schedule in her 'about me tab'; she is both day time and evenings, about twice a week... http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/member.php?u=44586 and she is gorgeous!

I certainly can't say for sure re most of these ladies but I've seen Sonia at Barb's in the afternoons, and Bridgette and Crystal as well. Ariel too I think. Jade told me she is a Mon-Wed daytime dancer. Sorry I can't be more helpful regarding the others.

http://mamelles.net/ boobies land...boobies heaven!

I'm a little confused. We're not supposed to discuss anything illegal and yet incall encounters with SP's are discussed regularly. And even after all these years I'm a little shady on the laws surrounding this hobby, but I was always under the impression that incall encounters were illegal as where outcalls are legal. Am I missing something?

My Favorite Kentucky saying- As the redneck revs his car at the edge of a cliff "Watch This!"

I think you shouldn't worry about what anyone says to/about you on an Internet forum. Don't like it? Move along to another thread.

This thread is sort of in response to some of the reactions on the Amy Winehouse thread and is also inspired by recent conversations I have been having with my wonderful friends in my personal life. I would like to bring to everyone's attention that when issues such drug-addiction/sex working/ racism etc. etc. are brought up, these things are a matter of life and death for some people. Thus, it's really important to not only be gentle with our words, but also with our thoughts when commenting on them. I personally believe that most people are not maliciously trying to stir up shit when they say things like "she was JUST a junkie", but rather this kind of thinking can be coming from several places: ignorance, a societally perpetuated idea, or past experiences where loved ones who've gone through things like drug-addiction have ended up hurting those they love in the long-run. Nevertheless, it is still important to always assume that people in your audience are going to be deeply affected by these things (either through their own experiences with them or through experiences of loved ones) and thus saying things that demonstrate your anti-drug user/anti-mental health mentality (or whatever the issue may be) will end up deeply wounding many of the people who come across it. I am not of the belief that everyone should be absolutely free to express all opinions (but we'll save that for a later conversation), but if you choose to do so, be mindful of the fact that some people's hearts are at stake. A good example for me is when I hear about a woman who's credibility is challenged for sex working in court cases where she is accusing her husband of abuse. In my eyes, this could very well be me. And so news like this can be quite hard to handle because of the immense injustice I perceive to be happening. Additionally, when people are backing up what is going on, its even more painful to have to defend something you perceive (and feel in your heart and gut) is so blatantly wrong. Maybe I'm just having an emotional night but I thought I'd share anyway. With love and in struggle, Sky

I may be cynical when I say that very rarely is the beloved more than a shaping spirit for the lover's dream. And perhaps such a thing is enough. To be a muse may be enough. The pain is when the dreams change, as they do, as they must. Suddenly the enchanted city fades and you are left alone again in the windy desert. As for your beloved, she didn't understand you. The truth is, you never understood yourself." - from "Sexing the Cherry" By Jeanette Winterson I think we all fall prey to this, at various points in our life. We are all constantly changing, and it is important we always give the people in our lives the opportunity to fall in love with us over and over again (be they friends, family, or lovers). 'Loving' is a verb, after all. We also need to make sure that we do not grow so attached to people that we do not allow them the latitude necessary to change, and become whoever it is they want to be in that present moment. Just thought I would share my thoughts on such a beautiful passage... What kind of experiences have you all had, that reinforce, or conversely, that contradict, this passage?

"The pain is when the dreams change, as they do, as they must." How true Nathalie. Dreams change, realities change, and having never truly thought ahead to an inevitable future, the pain of loss has been and is crushing. How can one have so long deceived themselves about and ignored an ultimate reality? While being in that enchanted city with my lover the love did evolve. The initially raw passion. The initial years of being and acting as one. The change when children arrived, understanding that the love was still there but no longer focused solely on each other, and the requirement to accept that from a partner. Later, the love of solitary, quiet times together, the familiarity sometimes allowing conversation without words, but 'knowing', merely with thought and manner. The evolution of each of us as individuals, with mutual support for each other - careers, friends and interests, but always we were 'us'. And then a different kind of love grew. The children growing up and finding their own loves and moving out to share them. And for us, time together again, acting as one. The assured confidence in each other, that regardless of anything, we were together, always. Always love, but always changing. We were so fortunate, as we did fall in love over and over as life changed. But, "The pain is when the dreams change, as they do, as they must." "Suddenly the enchanted city fades and you are left alone again in the windy desert. As for your beloved, she didn't understand you. The truth is, you never understood yourself." She understood. But now I recognize that I maybe never did understand myself, as the author has stated. It has been an incredible insight into something that I never appreciated before. Alone leaves one floundering with my new understanding that it was my wife that ultimately gave a meaning to virtually everything that I did. And now? Love will not disappear, yet evolve again in its own way. My daughters and I are closer than at any other time ever in our lives. A pretty special love, but again, a different one. Thanks for the passage, and yes, it brings sadness, but also great joy to stop and remind myself just how fortunate I have been in my life - how fortunate WE were in life. I wonder what love has yet in store? That thought scares me to my very core.

Love is everything. It is our motivator and goal, our beginning and end, our reason and means for acting. When we feel loved, we feel confirmed as persons: recognized, met, accepted. Love nourishes and sustains us. By love, we celebrate what is lovely and we deplore what is not. The best of us will search loveless places and unloved people to find love in them and to express love for them. There is something to love everywhere, in everyone, though only loving people see it. Pain and fear are not the worst things in life. The worst is to feel that we are not loved because in that radical isolation, pain, fear and every loss intensify unbearably. But when we know we are loved, there is clear light and fresh air, we're filled with hope and a renewed sense of possibility that becomes a creative drive. Pain becomes manageable; sometimes it vanishes. Fear evaporates. The losses we suffer open us to discover new opportunities to love and to be loved again. There are different kinds of love. Motherly love is fierce and self-sacrificing. Fatherly love is strong and protective. The love between siblings, friends and neighbours sustains communities. Erotic love is the force of creative, vital nature. Hatred is love informed by anger which is, in turn, infused with fear and grief. Apathy, not hatred, is the antithesis of love, yet love is the only cure for both. The greatest love is indelible and ineffable: it binds souls together, transcends time and space, and it is stronger than death. Love judges only by its own measure. Love shines its light into all the dark corners of our being. The greatest condemnation is not to love. The paradox of love is that, unlike most things we value, to have more of it we must give it. The surest remedy when we feel we are not loved, or not loved enough, is to love more and to love more freely. Love is not a commodity. It is the ultimate reality, the ground of our being. Love is God and without love there is nothing good or godly. Love is the only thing that matters.

I think you bring up some great points, and I agree with most of what you've said, but I can't say I agree with the above. I'm pretty open with clients and I don't think that makes me any less professional.

I think this topic is now beating the proverbial dead horse with a stick. CharAznable, I respect your moral righteousness, I am very much of the same mind when it comes to people I date, I don't date people who are attached and/or married. Made that mistake once and never again...but that's dating, not hobbying. If you're going to continue in this hobby you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that a good many of the ladies you will be seeing probably have a bf/gf or spouse. These are all intelligent, charming, beautiful women. I can't picture any of them staying single for very long unless they make a conscious decision to do so. Posted via Mobile Device