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Please add your name or nod to this thread as a show of strength for THE LIQUOR and as a force against that sob cancer that keeps invading his life. May all this positive energy help kick it out of his life for good!

Straw man argument, Loopie. The specific scenario of the 22 year old who is arrested for having sex with someone underage when they were lied to and had every reason to think the person was older--and had they known the truth they wouldn't have touched the person--is not what is being debated here. A lot of people would agree that enforcement of the law is flawed or at least problematic (assuming the older person can truly demonstrate they couldn't have known better). What most people are discussing, and I think you know this, is the issue of the older person who knows the other is not of the legal age of consent as it is currently defined. Where I--and I think some others--disagree with you is your assertion that: To my mind, once you cross the line of puberty, you are a sexual being capable of sexual desire and sexual functions and your sexuality should be yours to explore. Now, if all you mean is that these young people should have access to sex education (and not the unhelpful abstinence-only type advocated in so much of America but real education) that would be one thing. If you mean self-exploration, you likewise would have few people disagreeing with you (I doubt anyone here thinks young people should be ashamed of their bodies). Where I and others disagree is any suggestion that puberty alone is enough to warrant sexual exploration with others of any age. There is no practical test someone can write to demonstrate that they are mature enough for sex. If there was, no doubt some would pass it at an earlier age, just as others would likely go their whole life never making the grade! But the test doesn't exist. And let me emphasize, having reached puberty is not the test! Being physically capable of conceiving a child is no indication of emotional or mental readiness -- or indication that the person is ready to hop in the sack with someone twice their age who does likely know better. So all we as a society can do to protect people from predators is pick an age for consent that seems reasonable, based on what most people of a given age in our society have in terms of life experience and maturity. It may mean the occasional 15 year old who is just as mature and ready as most 19 year olds doesn't get to have a relationship with an older adult. But that is a fair trade off to ensure that the many more younger teenagers who would be taken advantage of by older adults are protected.

You make a criminal out of the 22 year old because if you don't, then you are also not making a criminal out of a 35 year old, or 45 year old or 55 year old. The girl is still 15. or 14, or apparently, 13, since according to the definition, only the 12 year olds are considered prepubescent and therefore off limits? See the difference? And yes, it doesn't matter how you spin it or how 'willing' the 15 year old is, there isn't enough life experience to make that informed consent. So you put the onus on the adult, the one over 5 years older than her, to be the one making the informed decision. From a female perspective, which is the assumption here, any interest in a 15 year old (as in a 15 year old who admits their age, not the 15 year old who tells the 22 year old she is 18 ) is predatory. On that note, as a 16 year old I was easily able to enter a licensed bar without ID check. As a 19 year old, I celebrated my 19th birthday in my favourite club, the one I'd been a regular at for over a year. I am not much of a drinker so it was about the dancing not the drinking lol. So i do forgive the 22 year old who is lied to , but if the 15 year old lies and says they are 18, I really don't forgive the 45 year old who pursues her.

Questions eh ? Welllllllllll Alllllllrighty then..... I got some dooozies What color are your brownies Mr T ? are they brown ? After 1 PM how long does it actually take you to get to the location ? What time does the bar open ? Where is the closest stable to book in my donkey for the night ? Am I gonna get hit by a car again when I cross the street after the social ? I am from the boonies. Due to there being 60 people are there lots of outhouses ? I pee Alotta when I drink Allotta ;) too much info there Will there be boobies there and if so am I allowed to look at them ? Not touch....LOOK ? If not do you supply sunglasses ? Been a loooong trip .... all I got left clean is my Mankini .... can I wear that ? Do you have Club beer there ? I hear it is always cold and old. and finally ..... Will you still allow me in the door ? ;) hehehe

Well..... unless there is a sticky note attached to the nipple saying ... "don't play with these tits" then IMO.....ALL BOOBS ARE BEST FOR PLAY :) Yay boobies !! Hip hip horray.

I'm voting for my own breasts...why? because they're big and heavy and have lovely hang with thick juicy nipples that are very sensitive and reactive and I love playing with them even if no one else does! lol *rawr*

:aggressif025: Fuck Cancer! :tresmauvaisehumeur: And not in a nice way! I hate hearing that a member of our community has to deal with cancer's shit! Stay strong, fight hard cause you're worth it. When you come out on the other side of this you can look back and say "I kicked Cancer's ass". :vf: I'm counting the days till I see your nominations for all the special CERB ladies.

Hey, Empty83 is right. His method of doubling or dividing in half is often a very quick way to have that pesky mis-posted entry jump of the page or computer screen particularly when you have a number of entries to go through. I'm not in Ottawa right now to help you in person but I'll offer any help I can via distance to help clear things up free of charge. Feel free to PM me if you like and I'll give you my email. Oh BTW...... I know that you mentioned trading services but I know there are lots of accounting tutors in Ottawa that will charge you MUCH less than your services are worth. You'll be better off to go that route IMO. Any tutor that's any good in a 1 on 1 session should be able to help you see things more clearly in 3 hours at maybe 40ish$ an hour.

Yeah, but the last line of Season 4 was Walt saying, "I won." You knew Breaking Bad would never leave the story there. Check back in after you've finished Season 5. ;)

By chance I met Salina... stopped into Paradise Spa and asked to see who was working. This beauty caught my eye and I'm glad she did. From the moment she entered the room she exuded sexuality. I couldn't take my eyes off this blonde bombshell. She teased with her words and her fingers. Her massage was fantastic, hitting all the right spots and reading my reactions. She played... "you don't want me to massage here do you" but I did! This added so much more to the experience. Then she asked me to turn over. The tease ended and the real fun began. Lots of attention where it was needed. So hot! So good! Sad it had to end... until next time... Check out her smoking hot new pics too!

Both Brad and roaminguy have explained my comments well. I am not sure what point loopie is trying to make by focusing on my comment, when the focus of that is a younger man (22) being lied to by the 15 year old who claims to be 18, and he believed her. He is looking to be with someone 18, not someone who is 15 in other words, even being 18 might make him question if she is too young for him. I forgive him for believing the lie that she told him in order to convince him she is old enough to date him, that there isn't much of an age gap between them. But 18 isn't the right age for a 35 plus year old to consider as a suitable dating companion. This has nothing to do with the sp/client relationship and their relative ages, fwiw. Only dating, BF/GF situations, which I consider open to more of an exploitive situation. When you take the 18 year old (as in the legal age to work as an sp and the legal age to provide consent to working as an sp) out of this discussion you are left with the 17 and unders, btw. If someone think it is appropriate to take advantage of the desire that is growing in the developing bodies and sexuality of a teenager, then they have to assume that others are going to see them either as predatory or emotionally immature. What you see in a 15 year old is the ability to have a crush on someone older. This is why there are laws against dating them, in order to give them time to get beyond school girl crush immaturity which will develop into mature adult relationship ability. School girls don't usually have crushes on same age guys, so being BF/GF with a same age guy is entirely possible. When

Plot twist: she's being quiet because she recognized all the faces in the images -- she's been seeing the same escorts and is afraid you're on to her! - M. Night Shyamalan

The $100 tip, plus door fee is comparable to what most independent MA's or an all inclusive spa charge for a complete massage experience. I suggest clearing the financials up right away with your MA, just like you would with an independent or agency before you start the session. That way you just relax and enjoy without the worry. The attendant appreciates this as well so she knows she's being compensated fairly and everyone is happy. Independent MA's and all inclusive spa's apply part of the fee's collected to keeping the business maintained, so a door fee is really no different. It's just an extra transaction.

I have reviewed all the pictures I could find very carefully :) and I have been unable to find a single set that I didn't thoroughly enjoy and want to get to know better. ;)

this is a very sad discussion but in the end we will all prevail with our positivity don't worry Tom I am lighting a candle for you at church everytime I go and you're constantly in my prayers God and I are arguing right now but I think I might win so I will keep my fingers crossed lol you have so much support and with all of us and our positivity like I said we can kick this cancer's b*** Xoxo K

Luscious Tianna is sending all her prayers and optimism to the Number 1 Hobbyist The Liquir!!! It is always a great day when he comes in to say Hi!!! All the best Lover!! Always thinkin of you and missing you xxo

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You are woman enough for me hun... we'll just have the two beers together....

Someone in favor of same-sex marriage is automatically gay or bi? Speaking for rights isn't always just about the one speaking.

Yup, last night's episode was possibly the best hour of television I've ever seen -- for writing, cinematography, and of course acting. In Walt's phone call toward the end of the episode, he has to say hateful things in Skyler's direction that are really intended for the audience he knows is listening in; the whole speech is designed to help position her as innocent, abused wife instead of accomplice. Those minutes should win Cranson the Emmy all by themselves. And Anna Gunn did a great job as Skyler on the other end, realizing what Walt is doing and playing along -- so hopefully she'll be around for what's left of their family, at least. It's true, the episode could almost have been the series finale. Walt's world has collapsed, everything he'd hoped for is destroyed, and he's completely on his own. He's paying the full price for his own crimes at last. I'm guessing the last two episodes are about two things: a) getting revenge on the Aryan guys and destroying the organization (including Lydia?), and b) bringing Walt's personal story and most probably his life to an end, hopefully with a bit of redemption while tying up Jesse's final fate. I usually agree with a lot of other people and prefer to wait 'til I can watch everything at once on disc. But this is one case where I'm happy to see these last hours bit by bit, week by week, reacting and discussing things with others as they happen. It's television I'll remember in 20 years, and how often can you say that?

Nikky promises to take all your stress away, and she does. After an exciting pm exchange over the past week, we had a very fun meeting today. No time wasted, she was out of her dress in seconds, and spread out on the bed looking sexy and tempting. Perfect spinner body, perfectly proportioned. My philosophy is that the woman cums first, :) and she did, repeatedly, dancing on my tongue. My turn, and she treated me to a hot bbbj. Then sex, mega- and multi-orgasmic. I love kissing while I'm fucking, and Nikky kisses so well, non-stop. She's an energetic and responsive lover. I felt satiated, unstressed, and unrushed. A great experience. I enjoyed this session hugely, and hope that Nikky comes back for more, soon!

All the best to you as always, missing seeing you and just talking about life. May we all provide enough strength so that you know you are far from alone in your fight! Kisses to you my dear XoX

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You are strong and full of life....beat this crap my darling!

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The body can be weak but the will and mind can be strong....When it's one of "those" days, think about the lovely ladies here and those pleasures you can have. That will create positive energy to help get you over the moment. If not, keep doing it with everything good and wonderful you can think of. Call someone, anyone, reach out. Sometimes it's hard to be solitary even when dealing with something alone. Hugs to you...as many as you need.

lol, love it!

all the best to you be strong but how can you be strong when it knock's the shit out of you

i just saw WORLD WAR Z with brad pitt. I was pretty good, let's just say it's not your typical zombie movie.

Round Two with Nikky was just as good as Round One. She looked even more beautiful to me than the first time, a real stunner with a perfectly proportioned spinner body, perfect everywhere, and yes, those kissable lips. I love passionate kissing during sex, and Nikky delivers. I love it when she thrashes around being oral-ed. Cowgirl, mish, doggie, all amazing (though it's harder to kiss in doggie LOL, but the view, and the feel, are sooo good :)). A great time with a fun girl.

W is for wishing I could taste Midnite right now!

A bit of good news to a really horrible story. They caught the guy suspected of murdering my friend today. He's a 24 year old. He hit my buddy's scooter with his pickup last Tuesday and instead of going through insurance and other stuff, they decided to work out the repairs between the two of them, with my buddy being the recipient of $1000 for the damage to his bike. Thursday, the 24 year old allegedly went to my friend's home at 8:45 in the morning and stabbed him to death. My friend? A 62 year old guy who looked and acted like the Dalai Lama... would not hurt a fly. It sucks that my friend had to die. It's great that they found the guy as quickly as they did. Let's hope justice prevails.

Marie-josee is part of ALO group now for those fans :)

There is only one Kayla, aka Shedevil

I was particularly impressed by Dean Norris' acting in this episode again. Sometimes I thought he was a little overboard playing Hank. A little too self righteous, but I was amazed by his words to Walt "You are the smartest man I ever met. But you are too stupid to see he made up his mind ten minutes ago." Somehow I have a feeling the one who gets out of this alive and in reasonably good shape will be Jesse.

You're basically looking for a younger girl who provides a GFE like I'm looking for. Well, I think you're gonna have to maybe raise the age limit a bit if you want all those services. Kayla (She devil) and leighxox here on cerb would be solid recommendations.

EDIT: Ah, never mind.

Welcome to cerb ott9721! How to find services? Great question! A good place to start is by using your free membership to cerb, and reading-up on all the information members have already shared here. For example... Here is the Recommendations forum where you can read all about duos: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=125 Here is the Advertising forum where you can read all the latest ads for duos: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=316 While actively participating and contributing to the forum like others whom build this community, you will also inherently get to know veteran community members whom can also share personal experiences about such services (and often do ;) ). As well, for more instant and spontaneous exchange of information, you can also use the chatroom - where ladies and gentlemen congregate on a daily basis. Also, don't forget the Search function here which can help you locate the information you are looking for. Enjoy using cerb and the wealth of information which can easily be found here, as we all look forward to your contributions (and seeing you around the neighbourhood)! Take Care, Play Safe & Happy Hobbying!

I agree. This is not something someone just figures out alone. I am on meds and occasionally going to counseling. Depression absolutely is an illness and that's my point too. U just can't just will yourself to be happy.

Well thank yall for the warm and sexy welcomes. Im really excited to get to know you all more. Thanks to Cleo for showing this gal the ropes, I bet you have allot more tricks to teach. ;) xxx Bella Additional Comments: Next weekend Kingston then Ottawa may be on the menu I want to be personally trained by the queen sexkitten herself.

Wow, I was in the place this afternoon. The quality of talent was astounding. I never go to Taboo on a weekday, clearly I need to go more often. I saw some sexy dancers: Samantha or maybe Sandra - Cute redhead, natural ginger, loved her freckles. nice to chat with and friendly. She was fun in the CR. Evelyn - Sexy older woman, great body, sexy as hell. Straight platinum hair. Sasha - visiting dancer from Montreal. She's a natural red head too, but she dyes her hair. Her hair colour was aubrn. Nice freckles too. Hope she comes for more visits. Very attractive. There was a blonde whom I saw dancing on stage. She had shoulder length blonde hair. Her body was amazing! Didn't catch her name. Wish I got a dance in the CR with her. I was surprised and amzed by the women I saw at the club today!

Julie Wilde use to have a picture in her albums where all you saw was her lovely legs in thigh-high rainbow socks. I really missed that picture. Of course all her other pics are fantastic, then again she is pretty awesome herself. Still miss that picture.

Those are very sexy Tess......definitely liking them on you!

Zoe would be a awesome choice!!

I've been in this situation but much worse...I was on an outcall as a new SP to a client's home and I was literally walking out the door when his wife pulled up. It wasn't a good scene and the reason why I no longer offer outcalls to a person's home unless I know the client and/or he is single/divorced/widower. Some guys do like to live on the edge and I agree with Emily about some men wanting to get caught.

I know I'm no marathoner LOL. I like the date to start off with a glass of wine (water in my case, I don't drink) and either sit on the couch (or jacuzzi, even better) and talk, get to know one another, or if a your seeing the lady again for a second, third, forth...well you get the idea, talk like old friends catching up Then let nature take its course It should be mutually enjoyable, (and thus far, throw in a massage, the ladies seem to love that) and listen to what the lady likes (she'll like you for listening and responding)...yesterday the lady requested something I didn't expect, but I was very happy to oblige. And good advice P Pete about head to toe, ladies seem to like their feet pampered too RG

I always like to pleasure my lady first,by sensual kissing,erotic touching,exploring her body from head to yes toes too!, giving her long lasting oral (which I thoroughly enjoy and getting most excellent at with age and experience ;) ) In a particular hour appointment I like to explore her first so she can orgasm and enjoy herself. It actually really turns me on when she grabs my hair on my head,and pulls or pushes my head deeper between her legs. It is a known fact is most men really don't last a real long time penetrating, therefore personally I like mutual satisfaction. I normally enjoy the ride at the end of the date, and stop and use multiple positions. Eroticism and sensuality go hand in hand, pleasure each other and it will leave you breathless and sore muscles after,if done correctly by both parties.Both of you will enjoy it more,at least that is what I find.