I have legal concerns

[blatoblang 310]

I am very interested in seeing a service provider, however, I am also very interested in keeping my record clean in the eyes of the law. Here is my concern. I have been frequenting the forums here for months now. I have never seen much discussion on the legl side of things here. What exactly is the law in Canada/Nova Scotia dealing with service providers? I see articles in the paper from time to time about men getting caught for soliciting. How do that happen? Why is it thy no one seems to post about it here? I would like to join the community here but I am a little scared of the ramifications of doing so.

 

Any help or suggests would be welcome.

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

There are some posts on that subject if you search.

 

I think the bottom line is to choose a lady off CERB that you have done research on you won't have to worry.

 

J

[dread pirate roberts 4036]

There are more complete discussions elsewhere, but a general guideline is that soliciting is hiring an SP off the street, so if you're here on CERB that shouldn't be an issue. "Being found in a common bawdy house" is also a crime - again, a general guideline is that incall to the SPs location probably violates that law, so there's some risk there (practically speaking it seems to be pretty small, but it happens), but an outcall to your home by the SP is not against the law.

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

If you want to be totally in the laws, not in the grey zone, stick to outcall (have the SP visit you to your home or hotel) and stick to reputable ladies on Cerb

[Guest t****ster***ke]

it is somewhat simplistic to say, but it should be obvious to anyone that there is no 100% safe way to do anything illegal. one can only take every reasonable precaution possible and hope that is enough. as suggested on here already, if you choose a well recommended provider in a safe setting, you should not have any problems.

 

most of the people you hear about getting bothered about soliciting are out "trolling" on the streets (highly dangerous) or visiting fly-by-night secret parlors. a reputable, well-established provider will already have considered a number of your concerns, as it is not in her best interests to have the authorities buzzing around :)

 

also, perhaps you should ask yourself if you are genuinely afraid of the legal ramifications, or if you're just being a bit chicken-sh--t about the whole thing :) no shame in admitting it - everyone has a first time.

[Athos 108589]

as others have said, prostitution is not illegal in Canada. Various acts around the sex trade, however, are or may be.

 

So public solicitation is illegal. This really only applies to the street trade, which you should stay away from in any event.

 

Being found in a common bawdy house (a place routinely used for prostitution) is an offence under the criminal code. So technically that makes incalls (you visit the lady at her location ... whether it be an apartment, condo, or hotel room) potentially illegal. However, if you stick to well respected ladies, this isn't a problem. Generally the police are interested in incalls only if there are other issues: underaged girls, reports of drug use, disturbances, neighbour. complaints, etc. An Ontario court, however, has ruled that the Bawdy house provisions of the Criminal Code are unconstitutional, although this is being appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada. So the law in this area is a bit up in the air.

 

So it is quite clear, that outcalls to your location are 100% legal in Canada. Incalls with respected ladies are not a problem. If the lady is operating out of hotels, make sure she is working out of a respectable hotel, rather than some dive. In my area there are a couple of hotels known for having lots of working girls, associated drug use, pimps, and general problems. Not necessarily unusual to have visits from the police in these locations.

 

As has been suggested, stick to the wonderful women of CERB and you'll have no problems.

[Andee 220524]

Check this thread out:

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101055&highlight=incalls+risky

[blatoblang 310]

Thanks for all the great replies.

[backrubman 64800]

it is somewhat simplistic to say, but it should be obvious to anyone that there is no 100% safe way to do anything illegal.

 

And having a CERB lady come visit YOU is completely legal in every way (in Canada) as long as she is of or beyond the age of consent :)

[boomer01 5548]

My concern with the incall scenerio is I know for fact that a couple of years ago Hfx Police set up an incall sting operation to arrest " johns " for prostitution offences. Granted this was done by them booking a hotel room and arresting the guy when he knocked at the door. This sting was setup via CL when it was at its peak of escort listings but I wonder would / could Cerb ever be used in the same way. I for one will use incall but only after she has been verified by a fellow Cerb member who is established. I know and trust Cerb and appreciate what the various MODS do to protect our site but if it happened on CL it could happen here.

 

Just out of curiousity does any one know the legalities of the law if for example you have had email conversations with a potential SP , discussing rates and services , and maybe you weren't 100% sure that it could be a sting in progress and you ask her just to meet you in a public local ( like Tim H ) as a procautionary step could you be arrested there even if no talk about procurring her services occur during this meeting. I don't know the law well enough to know . Can anyone shed some light on this situation.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

My concern with the incall scenerio is I know for fact that a couple of years ago Hfx Police set up an incall sting operation to arrest " johns " for prostitution offences. Granted this was done by them booking a hotel room and arresting the guy when he knocked at the door. This sting was setup via CL when it was at its peak of escort listings but I wonder would / could Cerb ever be used in the same way. I for one will use incall but only after she has been verified by a fellow Cerb member who is established. I know and trust Cerb and appreciate what the various MODS do to protect our site but if it happened on CL it could happen here.

 

Just out of curiousity does any one know the legalities of the law if for example you have had email conversations with a potential SP , discussing rates and services , and maybe you weren't 100% sure that it could be a sting in progress and you ask her just to meet you in a public local ( like Tim H ) as a procautionary step could you be arrested there even if no talk about procurring her services occur during this meeting. I don't know the law well enough to know . Can anyone shed some light on this situation.

 

I am no lawyer but as your second question, only solicitation in a public place is illegal in Canada and that to my knowledge does not extend to the internet, email, or phone conversation. But if you do spoke about services in Tim H then you will definitely break the law right there.

 

Honestly I am surprised to hear about sting operation in Canada. I thought they do that in US but was not aware they do it in Canada too. As for incall escorts it is very low risk unless underage, drugs or noise are involved. If the incall is an MP or SC where sexual services or human trafficking or drugs are involved, it is definitely risky to be there.

 

To be safe on legal side, do outcalls to your home or a hotel room. To be safe on all grounds call for reputable SPs who are recommendated multiple times and see them outcall as well. Avoid temptation for BP.

[roamingguy 300292]

If you want to be totally in the laws, not in the grey zone, stick to outcall (have the SP visit you to your home or hotel) and stick to reputable ladies on Cerb

 

Short sweet and very well said Malika

 

As for police setting up stings, they just don't happen in a vacuum. Likely there has been activity which has attracted the attention of the average citizen who in turns reports it to the police. Police just don't have the time or budgets for random sting operations. But they will investigate complaints.

Always be discrete in seeing escorts...don't draw attention to yourself or the escort and she vice versa, and there shouldn't be any issues

RG

[cyclo 30131]

Solicitation in the context of prostitution law means communication in a public place. The courts have ruled that private communication is excluded. Defining public versus private communication is dependant upon the means of communication and/or the place where the communication takes place.

 

Offering, discussing or negotiating compensation (financial or otherwise) in a public place (street, park, bar, hotel lobby etc) is solicitation. It doesn't matter that only two people are participating in the discussion and that no one else hears or observes the discussion. The communication is occurring in a public place.

 

E-mail, snail mail, texting, phone, skype, talking in your home or a hotel room are all private communications. Offering, discussing or negotiating compensation for sex in these situations is legal. These communications are all taking place in private spaces or are communications to which only the particpants have legal access.

 

It's possible that the privacy of these communications may be violated by a third party, but that doesn't make them public communication (i.e solicitation). It just means that the third party has violated your privacy, which depending upon the facts can be a criminal offence. Communication involving more than two people (e.g. negotiatiatung a threesome or an orgy :-)) is still private communication. It doesn't matter how many people participate in the communication. What matters for the purposes of solicitation is how and where the communication occurs.

 

So, communicating by privately by e-mail (legal) and then meeting in public without any further discussion of compensation (legal) is not a problem.

 

I've never heard of the police action which was described as taking place in Halifax. There may be more to it. This tactic has been used to arrest men who have been seeking underage girls, for free or paid sex. If it involved adults it sounds like entrapment, which is an illegal police tactic and would explain why there haven't been any similar cases.

[backrubman 64800]

My concern with the incall scenerio is I know for fact that a couple of years ago Hfx Police set up an incall sting operation to arrest " johns " for prostitution offences. Granted this was done by them booking a hotel room and arresting the guy when he knocked at the door. This sting was setup via CL when it was at its peak of escort listings but I wonder would / could Cerb ever be used in the same way. I for one will use incall but only after she has been verified by a fellow Cerb member who is established. I know and trust Cerb and appreciate what the various MODS do to protect our site but if it happened on CL it could happen here.

 

Of course these laws are in dispute and we await to hear from the Supreme Court. Already two courts of competent jurisdiction have ruled they are a Charter violation so if you were charged (as people were in the past) the outcome of the resulting trail is already predetermined (until we here from the Supreme Court) by these precedents so they aren't going to go down that road again unless there is something more going on . No prosecutor wants to get whacked for a third time.

 

Just out of curiousity does any one know the legalities of the law if for example you have had email conversations with a potential SP , discussing rates and services , and maybe you weren't 100% sure that it could be a sting in progress and you ask her just to meet you in a public local ( like Tim H ) as a procautionary step could you be arrested there even if no talk about procurring her services occur during this meeting. I don't know the law well enough to know . Can anyone shed some light on this situation.

 

The offence would be "communicating for the purpose in a public place" so if as you say "no talk about procuring" is going on and you are just having a friendly lunch date, it would be all good (and that one is not in dispute so I guess we can expect it to linger for a long time).

 

I do this as a matter of routine (a lunch date). SP's screen their clients, I think it only fair the other way around if you are willing to pay for their time (and provide a nice meal) and the SP is agreeable of course. Of course I am never seeking a lady I want to see once, I am seeking a lady I will see many times given the opportunity.

[PhobosJack 201]

Thanks for starting this thread. I'm also a new guy and looking to get into this hobby. I'm not at all afraid to say that I'm completely chicken to see it through just yet, mainly because of the legalities surrounding it.

 

Reading through everyone's posts makes me feel much better about eventually taking part as well as offers great insight in what is proper protocol.

 

Now, once I learn all of the acronyms I'll be set!

 

So once again thanks and hi everyone! :)

[cyclo 30131]

 

Now, once I learn all of the acronyms I'll be set! :)

 

In the "General Discussion Area - All of Canada", there's a thread listing all the acronyms. You can also google Urban Dictionary for more detailed definitions. There'll be a quiz this Friday ;-)

[blatoblang 310]

Wow. Thanks for all the insight. I am glad I decided to post. Also glad to see I am not alone in having these type of questions. Great replies from all. Thanks again

[PhobosJack 201]

In the "General Discussion Area - All of Canada", there's a thread listing all the acronyms. You can also google Urban Dictionary for more detailed definitions. There'll be a quiz this Friday ;-)

 

Lol! Thanks!

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

Thanks for starting this thread. I'm also a new guy and looking to get into this hobby. I'm not at all afraid to say that I'm completely chicken to see it through just yet, mainly because of the legalities surrounding it.

 

Reading through everyone's posts makes me feel much better about eventually taking part as well as offers great insight in what is proper protocol.

 

Now, once I learn all of the acronyms I'll be set!

 

So once again thanks and hi everyone! :)

 

Hi to you!

We all have jitters, ladies and gents. Its quite natural and I am always a little excited/ nervous meeting for the first time.

Best advice for a great time is contact a lady you are interested in meeting . Introduce yourself , be polite and if you feel the connection is there you will have no issues with a Lyla lady .

Be kind, courteous and follow her booking instructions and I am sure she will do her absolute best to make you feel at home and like old friends.

Good luck and make that plunge! :icon_smile:

[backrubman 64800]

And having a CERB lady come visit YOU is completely legal in every way (in Canada) as long as she is of or beyond the age of consent :)

 

NOTE that this was completely accurate at the time I wrote it but due to the Supreme Court striking down some of the the laws that were in effect at that time and our wonderful government subsequently implementing some new very repressive laws (contrary to the spirit of what the Supreme Court was trying to accomplish) that makes the world much more dangerous for everyone involved this is no longer "completely legal" in Canada as it once was.

[Ice4fun 78396]

 

Originally Posted by backrubman

And having a CERB lady come visit YOU is completely legal in every way (in Canada) as long as she is of or beyond the age of consent

 

NOTE that this was completely accurate at the time I wrote it but due to the Supreme Court striking down some of the the laws that were in effect at that time and our wonderful government subsequently implementing some new very repressive laws (contrary to the spirit of what the Supreme Court was trying to accomplish) that makes the world much more dangerous for everyone involved this is no longer "completely legal" in Canada as it once was.

 

Having a CERB (LYLA) lady come visit you still is completely legal so long as you have not communicated with her about the purchasing of sex from her or you have not actually purchased sex from her.

 

I was under the clear understanding that since the implementation of the new laws in Canada in December of 2014 all of us perverts had turned over a new leaf... we now only meet ladies for companionship and any money that changes hands is simply compensation for their time and in no way purchases any sexual activity from her.... we never talk about sex and stick to things like tiddlewinks and bible readings... some of us have taken up a maritime theme and now bring along rope to practice knot tying and I heard a few people were practicing their canoeing skills with paddling and something about the J-stroke or G something or other.... some have even reached back into their childhood days and are into watersports.... I am assuming that's something to do with really large water balloons that squirt all over the place....

 

It's really good to see a community like ours embrace the new laws and set an example for the country about turning something that was dirty and illegal into such positive and legal activities.

 

Congratulation Everyone for all You Hard hard work...