Why ask me if I am a cop?

[CBee68 110]

Definitely too much American television...

[Junkmail 110]

To those guys that insist on asking if I am a cop, I want you to think about your question. If I was an undercover cop, would I tell you the truth and say Yes? If I was an undercover cop and you wanted me to kill your wife for money, if you asked me if I was a cop, would I tell you the truth? No, of course not, I would lie and say I am not a cop. Touching my breasts would only give you an assault charge if she was a cop.

 

I think you need to realize that if you are worried that your sp is a cop, dont discuss business in public, dont pick her up on the street corner or a hotel lobby. I am not a lawyer, but my understand of the law in Canada is that if you are not soliciting in public, if everything is being conducted behind closed doors in a private place, you are ok.

 

Not sure if others are noticing an increase in these types of questions, but I just have to shake my head. Cops lie all the time, especially those that are undercover.

 

Just incase you are wondering, no I am not a cop, I am not an undercover police officer or any other combination. I am just a sp who works alone, will never work for an agency and trying to makie some money on something I love doing. I only advertise on CERB and will never do a call in public (ie, your car is very public), or in the washroom of your local restaurant etc...

 

Have a great day!

Still, entrapment is legal here.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

ummmm, I think it is legal in the United States, but here in Canada it is not.....

 

Not a lawyer, but

 

"

In criminal law, entrapment is conduct by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.[1] In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability.

Depending on the law in the jurisdiction, the prosecution may be required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped or the defendant may be required to prove that he was entrapped as an affirmative defense.

Sting operations are fraught with ethical concerns over whether they constitute entrapment.

[perchie15 120]

sooo it is legal to go on incalls with escorts???

[zorobaby 4121]

Still, entrapment is legal here.

 

 

Nope it is not. Ever wonder why, as you drive along the highway, you can see a cop on the side of the road? Why wouldnt they hide alone in the bushes with the gun and radio information ahead to other officers? They cant, that is a form of entrapment. Ever wonder why a cop sits in, lets just say a church parking lot, in the middle with, maybe not his headlights, at least his running lights on and far enough towards the road that you can see that there is a car there?

 

Legally if a cop is fully hidden from vision and pulls you over, its entrapment. The same could be translated to this industry, thats why "stings" arent all that common on our side of the industry. You may hear of the odd one involving street prostitutes, but not on our side.

 

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sooo it is legal to go on incalls with escorts???

 

you wont be bothered as long as your not picking someone up in the lobby of a hotel, side of the road, or discussing details in areas such as bars and restaurants. its a grey area but no one usually bothers you.

[perchie15 120]

Nope it is not. Ever wonder why, as you drive along the highway, you can see a cop on the side of the road? Why wouldnt they hide alone in the bushes with the gun and radio information ahead to other officers? They cant, that is a form of entrapment. Ever wonder why a cop sits in, lets just say a church parking lot, in the middle with, maybe not his headlights, at least his running lights on and far enough towards the road that you can see that there is a car there?

 

Legally if a cop is fully hidden from vision and pulls you over, its entrapment. The same could be translated to this industry, thats why "stings" arent all that common on our side of the industry. You may hear of the odd one involving street prostitutes, but not on our side.

 

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you wont be bothered as long as your not picking someone up in the lobby of a hotel, side of the road, or discussing details in areas such as bars and restaurants. its a grey area but no one usually bothers you.

 

 

so i was wondering about the site ........s.. is it really a safe site then? for us guys to look for the escorts?? i never really worried about this getting caught stuff until i came onto this site lol.. and seeing what everyones opinion has been..

[zorobaby 4121]

so i was wondering about the site ........s.. is it really a safe site then? for us guys to look for the escorts?? i never really worried about this getting caught stuff until i came onto this site lol.. and seeing what everyones opinion has been..

 

it is fully legal for an escort to advertise on CERB, just as it is fully legal for us to discuss different aspects of the lifestyle and the women themselves. What would be considered illegal is if a lady and a client discus rates and services and book a date on the public forums rather then over pm/the phone

[WriteOn 3250]

Nope it is not. Ever wonder why, as you drive along the highway, you can see a cop on the side of the road? Why wouldnt they hide alone in the bushes with the gun and radio information ahead to other officers? They cant, that is a form of entrapment. Ever wonder why a cop sits in, lets just say a church parking lot, in the middle with, maybe not his headlights, at least his running lights on and far enough towards the road that you can see that there is a car there?

 

Legally if a cop is fully hidden from vision and pulls you over, its entrapment. The same could be translated to this industry, thats why "stings" arent all that common on our side of the industry. You may hear of the odd one involving street prostitutes, but not on our side.

 

I am not a lawyer nor do I claim to have a vast legal knowledge, but I have been on the planet for more decades than I'd like to admit and I'm certain that you are wrong with regards to entrapment.

 

Cops hide all the time with radar guns, anyone who has had a speeding ticket knows that you come over that hill or around that corner then... boom! there's the cop sitting there with his/her radar gun. Yes they're visible, but by the time you see them it's too late.

 

How does not seeing a police officer make it entrapment? That just doesn't make sense to me. Also, what about the cameras that now catch people speeding?

 

I realize this is not official, but check out the Canada section here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

[perchie15 120]

it is fully legal for an escort to advertise on CERB, just as it is fully legal for us to discuss different aspects of the lifestyle and the women themselves. What would be considered illegal is if a lady and a client discus rates and services and book a date on the public forums rather then over pm/the phone

 

so site like ........s the same thing! mhmm, so say no sexual details were discussed until you get to the hotel/place, and then u discus them in private room... its all safe?

 

what if undercover cop? ha

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Why on earth would a canadian police department waste their time with an undercover "sting" operation if drugs and/or under age and/or human trafficking violations were not suspect? Seriously, they have bigger fish to fry!

[Phaedrus 209521]

sooo it is legal to go on incalls with escorts???

 

Short answer: no, but it's like driving at 101 on the highway. Nobody cares provided you don't disturb the neighbors.

 

And, unlike driving at 101 on the highway, we're all waiting on a Supreme Court ruling which will make it completely legal if it goes the right way, and until that happens the chances of anyone getting prosecuted are even more remote than previously.

[zorobaby 4121]

I am not a lawyer nor do I claim to have a vast legal knowledge, but I have been on the planet for more decades than I'd like to admit and I'm certain that you are wrong with regards to entrapment.

 

Cops hide all the time with radar guns, anyone who has had a speeding ticket knows that you come over that hill or around that corner then... boom! there's the cop sitting there with his/her radar gun. Yes they're visible, but by the time you see them it's too late.

 

How does not seeing a police officer make it entrapment? That just doesn't make sense to me. Also, what about the cameras that now catch people speeding?

 

I realize this is not official, but check out the Canada section here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

 

all im saying is that you have to be able to see him, they cant say hide in a bush with the gun and mail you the ticket or radio ahead with information

[MightyPen 67414]

all im saying is that you have to be able to see him, they cant say hide in a bush with the gun and mail you the ticket or radio ahead with information

Mmm... not so much. "Entrapment" means the police have somehow actively enticed you to commit a crime that you probably wouldn't have committed without their prodding. For example, if they posted a highway sign that says "NO COPS NEXT 100kms!" and then stopped all the opportunistic speeders. It's their active role in contributing to the crime that creates the problem.

 

A cop sitting passively by and observing a crime -- even if he's completely hidden -- poses no legal problem at all. Complaining "but I wouldn't have done it if I'd known you were there!" won't get you far as a legal defense.

[roamingguy 300291]

I am recalling a old (original) Law and Order episode. The detective went undercover as a "john" to arrest a prostitute needed in an investigation.

After he convinced her he was a "john" she told him the rates and services. No surprise, out came his badge and she was arrested

Back at the precinct while booking her, (and I'm paraphrasing) she says words to the effect "you lied, isn't that against the law" to which he replies words to the effect, "they pay me to lie"

Point to this, there is no requirement for police to reveal they are police...that is a myth. And even though fiction, as the detective in Law and Order says, "they pay me to lie"

Just think, if police really were required to identify themselves if undercover as really being police, then any criminals be it Mafia, outlaw bikers etc would not have anything to fear anymore

RG

[WriteOn 3250]

all im saying is that you have to be able to see him, they cant say hide in a bush with the gun and mail you the ticket or radio ahead with information

 

 

Camera speed traps take a pictures of of license plate numbers and mail tickets every day.

 

It doesn't make any sense to say that if someone commits a crime and a police officer is not in plain sight that that police officer has entrapped you.

[zorobaby 4121]

Camera speed traps take a pictures of of license plate numbers and mail tickets every day.

 

It doesn't make any sense to say that if someone commits a crime and a police officer is not in plain sight that that police officer has entrapped you.

 

 

all the locations of the cameras are marked or have been marked at one point, also you can find a list of the cameras online

[PonyBoy 246]

all im saying is that you have to be able to see him, they cant say hide in a bush with the gun and mail you the ticket or radio ahead with information

 

Yes they CAN hide and radio ahead. Have you not seen on the news story on TV that they had a police officer dressed as a construction worker? He was standing among real construction workers with a special laser radar gun on a tripod using it like a surveying device but actually pointed at oncoming traffic. The officer could tell who was speeding (i.e. exceeding construction zone posted speed limits, big concern and crack down on that), who had set belts on or not on and who was using their cell phone while driving. The "construction worker" police officer then radio ahead to a police car with description of vehicle and license plate and the police officer in marked police car pulls vehicle over and then either issues a warning or a fine. All the data on what the driver was doing was recorded on the laser radar by undercover "construction worker" police officer. Is this legal or not. I do not know but was reported on news and was being done in Ottawa and Toronto in September 2013. Perhaps someone here was stopped in such a manner. I do not recall which city, but the construction worker officer had said they had issued several hundred tickets for various offenses over a five day period working at one construction zone only. Comparing driving offenses to using escort services is like apples and oranges in my opinion. Driving violations and highway traffic act are quite clear and straight forward. Laws surrounding escorts and prostitution in Canada have wide grey area. Hopefully the courts clear it up and make it legal for those that choose to work in escorting of their own free will.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

American t.v. shows portray this wayyyy too much of LE posing as escorts or clients. The prostitutions laws differ greatly here in Canada as it is NOT illegal to be a prostitute whereas in the U.S it is.

 

I believe that one has to familiarize themselves with the prostitution laws in Canada before meeting an escort. Being paranoid and asking an SP if she is a cop is not a valid one if one isn't aware of the laws regarding prostitution. And it's a question that isn't going to give someone brownie points with the ladies. Instead they may ask that person to leave. If a person has hesitations about this then maybe it's not a good idea to meet an SP in the first place.

 

If a client is really worried that an SP may be LE, rest assured that once she touches you sexually and she is fully naked, you know damn well she is not a police officer. Discuss rates and services before visiting and if these questions aren't brought on by the SP at the beginning of the visit, she is NOT LE. Also, visit ladies who are reputable and well known and you won't have any problems. Just do not pick up a woman on a street corner. They focus more on streetworkers.

[cinelli 22184]

all im saying is that you have to be able to see him, they cant say hide in a bush with the gun and mail you the ticket or radio ahead with information

 

Wrong.

How could you think such a thing?

Some jurisdictions use spotter aircraft to observe speeders, and then have the offender pulled over and ticketed. I was caught this way driving from Banff to Calgary. I came over a hill and there was a huge roadblock with cars lined up getting tickets...

Others have officers using handheld laser radar, who radio to cars down the road to pull over the offender and ticket them.

BTW, if someone speeds through a construction zone they deserve to have the book thrown at them.

Some jurisdictions use photo radar in cars parked at the roadside. The operator turns on the radar as cars go by and the ticket is mailed to the offenders. No sign is necessary.