Negotiating

[craig101 3213]

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal.

I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted.

Isn't this a lot worse? You just shortchanged them 5 thousand. Perhaps their kid can't go to college anymore. How about the realtor? She lost a few hundred dollars of income. You hurt her family too. Maybe this couple was going through a divorce or someone lost their job and you came in like a vulture and took advantage of them.

If your consistent, you must also admit that negotiating for a house is wrong. If you think asking an SP if she can do 200 for 45 minutes instead of doing 220 for an hour is rude and trying to take advantage of her you must be even more disgusted with people who negotiate for a house.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal.

I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted.

Isn't this a lot worse? You just shortchanged them 5 thousand. Perhaps their kid can't go to college anymore. How about the realtor? She lost a few hundred dollars of income. You hurt her family too. Maybe this couple was going through a divorce or someone lost their job and you came in like a vulture and took advantage of them.

If your consistent, you must also admit that negotiating for a house is wrong. If you think asking an SP if she can do 200 for 45 minutes instead of doing 220 for an hour is rude and trying to take advantage of her you must be even more disgusted with people who negotiate for a house.

 

Well Craig. I was once a gigalo and never had one damn client.... but my opinion is $200 for 45 minutes as apposed to 220 for an hour would be honky dory to take under consideration. Offering $200 instead of $220 for an hour would not be quite the same thing.

[craig101 3213]

Well Craig. I was once a gigalo and never had one damn client.... but my opinion is $200 for 45 minutes as apposed to 220 for an hour would be honky dory to take under consideration. Offering $200 instead of $220 for an hour would not be quite the same thing.

 

The opening post in this thread said it was not acceptable.

[piano8950 32577]

That's exactly what I understood from it, as well as a certain amount of contempt for the author of that post. Looking again, I see no reason to change my mind based solely on that comment of yours. Perhaps some of the subtleties were lost in the brevity... anyways, if you're going to dish the snark out, you can put up with getting some back.

 

Okay, now I'm getting a little annoyed. I said as clearly as I possibly could, I was surprised at his no bargaining for anything under the sky policy of his. I thought of the one thing everyone I know tries to deal on, and ask him on it. I am literally telling you the meaning of a simple question I asked, and now there are subtleties? Again this comparison thing that you've said I've done is very presumptuous on your part. I have no idea what snark you were talking about, and I'm frankly insulted.

 

And I know comparing other businesses is frugal to many of you but, honestly, does McDonald's cut you off for asking how much a big mac sandwich is? Cause it is listed on their menu board, they shouldn't have to tell you....right? PFFFFFF...lmao!

 

I don't believe I've taken her words out of context.

 

Now, to address the objection you're actually making... both of these things made a direct comparison between SPs on the one hand and commodities on the other (cars, burgers). Between people and things. I object to this, strenuously, and I have no regrets about challenging it. I frequently don't because by the time I see it someone else has beaten me to it... but in this case, they hadn't.

 

I will say that I can't determine with absolute certainty in what spirit she said that, and I apologize if you are correct on that. But I think before you went ahead and accused her of making the SP and burger comparison, it would've been more polite to ask. If you think it's clear cut, how about proof that between the two of us, we've come out with widely different interpretations.

 

And since you said again that I've made a direct comparison to cars and SPs after I specifically said I did not and in what context I left my remark, I'm not sure what your purpose is. I don't know why you feel compelled to tell me what I meant when I said something specific, or why you are trying to read more into something and 'read between the lines'.

 

 

And why, you might ask is that such a heinous sin? First, it's simply an insult to the ladies to give so much of themselves to us, over and over again, in return for so little. Secondly, it's the first step on a very dangerous road: once you start treating people like things, it's easy to start to believe that they matter less. And then you don't have to worry so much about their welfare, or care that someone lost out on that $20 you saved, or do more than shrug when you read in the news that yet another street worker has vanished. It's far to easy to not care about mere things. And that's why it's so important to remember that the ladies we see are, above all else, people.

 

And I have no idea why you think this necessary to tell me that there is a difference between a person and an object? Is this why you've made the same incorrect assumption about what I said twice? Because you think I'm for negotiating? (For the record, I've already stated much earlier in this thread I'm against negotiating on rates). Or something else?

 

Before you respond, think about what you just said about comparing an object to an SP, a heinous sin. I don't hold that exact view. I think comparing anyone to an object or anything not human is beyond disgusting. I've seen people treated little better then slaves and was told "that's just how life is", I grew up in a society that regards foreign labourers as replaceable, and I've lost friends who were labelled as 'collateral damage'. For you to insinuate that she and I could even draw a comparison of that sort, without even being completely sure is worse then calling me a bigot, racist, or hell even a terrorist. You've assumed I've made a comparison that only a monster would. And even though you are just another name on just another board, I can't tell you how much you insulted me.

 

Now can you please stop assuming things that I supposedly meant? If I want to say something, I will spell it out. I promise you, if I wanted to say something, it would not get lost in subtleties.

 

 

...-

 

Back on topic. Guys, don't negotiate, ladies don't like it, and it's not classy

[Guest fi****ek]

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal.

I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted.

Isn't this a lot worse? You just shortchanged them 5 thousand. Perhaps their kid can't go to college anymore. How about the realtor? She lost a few hundred dollars of income. You hurt her family too. Maybe this couple was going through a divorce or someone lost their job and you came in like a vulture and took advantage of them.

If your consistent, you must also admit that negotiating for a house is wrong. If you think asking an SP if she can do 200 for 45 minutes instead of doing 220 for an hour is rude and trying to take advantage of her you must be even more disgusted with people who negotiate for a house.

 

That party who's asking for their house $305,000 could've bought the house for $200,000, making them richer by $100,000 to the good, even if they accept my lower offer. So, tell me again, how I'm taking advantage of them?

[lipualipua 4704]

@Phaedrus:at 10:07pm yesterday you wrote : "Unless I've missed something, your definition appears to be concerned solely with the maximization of income. But... there's a lot more to life than money"

At 6:49pm the same day, I had written :"The problem with my adversaries, if I may call those who hold a view contrary to mine, is that they are thinking only of providers maximizing money earned"

 

We seem to agree then, that although money is very important it is not the sole determinant of how a lady goes about her business. Please see post #279 for the details of what I wrote.

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal.

I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted.

Isn't this a lot worse? You just shortchanged them 5 thousand. Perhaps their kid can't go to college anymore. How about the realtor? She lost a few hundred dollars of income. You hurt her family too. Maybe this couple was going through a divorce or someone lost their job and you came in like a vulture and took advantage of them.

If your consistent, you must also admit that negotiating for a house is wrong. If you think asking an SP if she can do 200 for 45 minutes instead of doing 220 for an hour is rude and trying to take advantage of her you must be even more disgusted with people who negotiate for a house.

 

Please tell us that you didn't get this far without knowing the answer to your own question.

From your post I suspect that you are comfortable in an environment of lawyers, accountants, real estate agents and the dealing associated with them.

 

Could it be that you get a little out of the comfort zone when it comes to more intimate interactions?

I'll admit that I get a little nervous too because I can deal with the dollars and cents of this quiet easily I never know exactly how a date will go. What I do know is that any time I want to book time with a lady I present myself as the best I can be. Do you know why Craig? Because for that 1 or 2 hours its just going to be me and her and whatever happens in that time I want that woman to have had a good experience too.

I think I have experienced a fairly good range of what this community has to offer and and I just can't see the comparison to a real estate deal or dealing with a lawyer.

 

My advice to you Craig because you're the nervous type like me, is to pick a lady and convince her you are somewhat charming and witty, book her at the posted rate, buy the GOOD wine, brush your teeth, chew some gum, a little cologne and drag your humble ass to her front door.

 

Hopefully at the end of the time together you will understand what I mean.

 

P.S. If you're really lucky you will text her telling her you can't get the smell or taste of her out of your mind.

Careful you don't send it to your real estate agent or lawyer. They might not get what you mean.

[mod 135639]

Okay Mod, You do have a point - the lady can move to a better market or reduce her prices. But wouldn't a provider unilaterally reducing her prices make her appear vulnerable to hobbyists(who may think she is not getting enough clients) and so perversely seek to take advantage of such a provider? Why wouldn't she approach each potential encounter bearing in mind its own set of conditions, even if it should be necessary to negotiate? And remember, Mod, moving away may not be an option for everyone.

No, not at all. Ladies when they need a quick buck or when business slows many will run "Specials" where they voluntarily drop price for a short time and do higher volume of calls.... they do this themselves and not from someone trying to negotiate. It's supply and demand.

 

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal.

I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted.

Isn't this a lot worse? You just shortchanged them 5 thousand. Perhaps their kid can't go to college anymore. How about the realtor? She lost a few hundred dollars of income. You hurt her family too. Maybe this couple was going through a divorce or someone lost their job and you came in like a vulture and took advantage of them.

If your consistent, you must also admit that negotiating for a house is wrong. If you think asking an SP if she can do 200 for 45 minutes instead of doing 220 for an hour is rude and trying to take advantage of her you must be even more disgusted with people who negotiate for a house.

A house is a TANGIBLE item not a "SERVICE" and most certainly not a SERVICE that is this personal. Your probably not going to go into your lawyer, doctor, accountant, etc... and negotiate a rate (however I am sure some of you would try). When dealing with a escort they are not selling a tangible item and not selling a standard service either, they are selling a very personal service.

 

Bottom line here (as you can see from the ladies responses and the true gentleman's replies) it is NOT acceptable here to negotiate rates. Bottom Line.

 

Unless the lady states she is negotiable in her ad you probably should not try to negotiate (you may find yourself blacklisted for doing so as well from the looks of some posts).

 

I think we have educated the guys with this thread.... lets hope.

[Wolf Knight 29667]

I can't sleep so I'll answer...

 

Sadly, there was no typo ;)

 

I wrote it the way I did to put the emphasis on the infinite of density due to a lack of "volume" to affect the "mass" ;)

But, then again, I could be wrong as I am no mathematician... At least it made a few of you laugh!

 

 

Miss Laurence,

 

I did understand the greek symbol ρ (rho) is often used torefer to density and that your original equation was the correct equation for density = mass divided by volume. Also, you were indeed correct in your inference that when volume is less than mass and in particular when volume is approaching zero, density does move to infinity. This scenario that you are describing is commonly known in astrophysics as a black hole. I found your equation post so hilarious because not only did you convey in an unusual form that the posters question was not enlightened but you also described that this thread is quite becoming a black hole, whether you realized it or not. (Seriously, it's so witty and quick that I still giggle at it.)

 

Now, I must apologize to you for taking my own liberties and modifying the variables of this equation to suit my own needs and try to make a silly post of my own. I had no intention to discount you point at all, just have some fun with it. I'll have to be excused for letting the typical man in me come out, thinking that I knew what to say better than others. As Miss Evans pointed out, when it comes to the business models and pricing of all you ladies that choose to offer your companionship to us gents you, and only you are the A (alpha) and Ω (omega) (beginning and end) of the discussion.

 

For those silent majority out there and any other newbies who read this thread I'll say that in a environment where pleasure is (or should be) the ultimate goal of a client, it's not worth it to risk tainting what could be a fantastic human experience to satisfy your inclination to haggle or negotiate. If haggling is what ultimately gives you your kicks, go to a flea market instead it's much more cost effective. If pleasure is your ultimate goal then find a lady that appeals to you, grab a fat wad of cash that you know is at least twice what the rate that she might charge then contact her. For you newbies I added the little tip of having at least twice her rate because trust me there is nothing worse than enjoying your time with a lady and finding that you're having so much fun then having to just up and leave with a feeling of wanting more. By having twice her rate then you be in a position to ask her to extend the date for another hour. Trust me from experience, you'll be glad you did.

 

Just pay up and have fun.

[eagertopleaze 2366]

Dear MOD... How can you say it is NOT acceptable to negotiate when there are women who do negotiate?

 

I appreciate 100% the ladies who state clearly in their ads NOT NEGOTIABLE and I respect that. I have always followed the NO means NO rules in life.

 

You will always have guys who try to negotiate and you will always have girls who are willing to negotiate. That is a fact and it will never change.

 

We just needs guys to respect the girls who say NON NEGOTIABLE.

[FLESHPROP 120]

If they specify what you're looking for then book their time. If they don't then ask politely in an email. If they are vague about what they offer then don't waste their or your time. Time is money for everyone involved. Only invest in specifics.

[craig101 3213]

No, not at all. Ladies when they need a quick buck or when business slows many will run "Specials" where they voluntarily drop price for a short time and do higher volume of calls.... they do this themselves and not from someone trying to negotiate. It's supply and demand.

 

 

A house is a TANGIBLE item not a "SERVICE" and most certainly not a SERVICE that is this personal. Your probably not going to go into your lawyer, doctor, accountant, etc... and negotiate a rate (however I am sure some of you would try). When dealing with a escort they are not selling a tangible item and not selling a standard service either, they are selling a very personal service.

 

Bottom line here (as you can see from the ladies responses and the true gentleman's replies) it is NOT acceptable here to negotiate rates. Bottom Line.

 

Unless the lady states she is negotiable in her ad you probably should not try to negotiate (you may find yourself blacklisted for doing so as well from the looks of some posts).

 

I think we have educated the guys with this thread.... lets hope.

 

A house is a tangible object but NOT THE PERSON SELLING IT! Its apparently ok to negotiate and shortchange this PERSON but in this industry it is disrespectful.

With a lot of ladies advertising rates non- negotiable what does that say about the ones who don't? Were suppose to think that they forgot to mention this in their add but the same applies to them?

The ladies here are quite intelligent and give a lot of thought to their adds. If its not written in their adds its not silly for one to ask.

Simple solution here. Put it in your add.

[Wolf Knight 29667]

With a lot of ladies advertising rates non- negotiable what does that say about the ones who don't? Were suppose to think that they forgot to mention this in their add but the same applies to them?

The ladies here are quite intelligent and give a lot of thought to their adds. If its not written in their adds its not silly for one to ask.

Simple solution here. Put it in your add.

 

The answer to your question, is a definitive yes. Assume it applies to all ladies. Absence of having it specifically stated or written does not automatically constitute an invitation to negotiate. It would serve all clients well from an SP client positive interaction standpoint to always, unless informed explicitly otherwise, assume rates are non-negotiable.

 

Ask yourself, in a situation where I would assume you as a client are seeking out an SP for a pleasurable experience, is it worth the risk for the sake of 20 bucks to jeopardize a potentially mind blowing experience. The fact remains that for ALL of these ladies (non-negotiators and negotiators alike) the better you treat them as a client and the more they feel valued as a woman the better experience you will have. (YMMV) I personally always seek the most pleasurable experience possible and quite frankly can't grasp why anyone would ever want to do anything that might even slightly taint that experience.

[Guest realnicehat]

A house is a tangible object but NOT THE PERSON SELLING IT! Its apparently ok to negotiate and shortchange this PERSON but in this industry it is disrespectful.

With a lot of ladies advertising rates non- negotiable what does that say about the ones who don't? Were suppose to think that they forgot to mention this in their add but the same applies to them?

The ladies here are quite intelligent and give a lot of thought to their adds. If its not written in their adds its not silly for one to ask.

Simple solution here. Put it in your add.

 

Once again you're comparing apples to volkswagons.......

 

Everyone knows how the housing market works. Prices are inflated, low ball offers given, all with the hope of meeting in the middle at an agreeable price. It is designed for negotiation, everyone involved is expecting it.

 

I understand your viewpoint on negotiating with escorts: Men shouldn't be made to feel foolish if they enquire about a deal, especially if the ladies haven't been specific in their ad by stating price not negotiable. Gotcha. Heard you the first time. Also the second through thirty second times.

 

At this point it has been pretty firmly established that the practice is, at the very least, frowned upon. Yes, there are occasional specials, extraordinary circumstances, and the occasional girl who advertises that she will negotiate but does every other SP have to take the time to make sure each and every one of her ads states "No Negotiating"?

 

This list of things that the ladies already have to specify is embarrassing. The fact that they need to inform potential clients to clean themselves, to arrive on time, to pay them upon arrival is ridiculous.

 

At what point will they need to start posting things like:

 

Please don't shout "Hey baby, it's blow job time" when you knock on my door.

If you use my bathroom please don't wipe your ass with my shower curtain.

Please don't toss used condoms from the balcony.

Please don't ask if my dog can join us.

Please refrain from all wet willies, titty twisters, and wedgies.

 

I realize these are extreme examples. I just think that at some point common sense needs to kick in.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal.

I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted.

...

How about the realtor?

I think you, me, the realtors and others all know that negotiations for such a purchase is quite common, if not the norm, in the real estate business and that in fact, most realtors encourage you to negotiate a better price even if that means they make less of a commission. This is what offers and counter offers are for.

Where the realtors most often "get their money back" and then some, is when you recommend them to someone else and/or contract them again for your next purchase or sale or both.

 

On the other hand, if you really want THAT house and they're a lot of offers on it, the realtor will most likely suggest you make a higher offer then the listed price to ensure YOU get the house and not someone else.

 

So, following that logic, if you are so powerfully sexually attracted to the lady you just contacted, you would at least pay her listed donation or the quote she gave you and maybe even give her a generous tip ;)

 

There is a time and place to negotiate, just like at the flea market and the SP industry is not one of them!

 

 

 

Additional Comments:

The answer to your question, is a definitive yes. Assume it applies to all ladies. Absence of having it specifically stated or written does not automatically constitute an invitation to negotiate. It would serve all clients well from an SP client positive interaction standpoint to always, unless informed explicitly otherwise, assume rates are non-negotiable.

Thank you! :)

 

Now I think I may have to come up with a new and made up equation for "wind"! lol

[Socrates 100]

This is good to know.

[SexxxyRebecca 57974]

I didnt post anything yet as I couldnt add more of what being said. Negotiation is a no-no. Comparing a house (few hundred thousand purchase) vs "sp rate" doesnt make sense! Bragging for 20-40$ is just plain cheap. Seeing escorts is not a necessity, but a luxury. Life is expensive, yes! But it is for everybody, Sps included! Btw, why should I take off 20$-40$ of my rate for YOU when other gentlemen will pay my full rate? Some guys will say its better than nothing but its funny how everytime I refuse some "generous" offer there is always another respectful gent who is happy to pay my full donation (wich I believe totally deserve) + tips! This is what I call karma!! :icon_razz:

[Justhavinfun 431]

Ok so I've been following this thread and it kinda belongs in rants and raves on that awfull site. It's kinda outa hand and has become a bitching point on this site. That's not what this site is about. My view is anyone can post special rates for whatever reason and I read all the reasons. But simply put when someone posts a rate it is cheap and not respectful to the ladies to try and get a better deal. This is not a flea market where one can say ill give you what I think your worth. That thought is disgusting. We're not talking about buying a blanket in a Mexican market here. We are talking about truly respectful ladies offering up an hour or so of very personal and intimate time. To think anything else is insulting to the ladies. Wow this should not even be a debatable topic on here. This is a service you should not only pay the price stated like on a menu but if the service is good a tip is always in order. To do otherwise is not showing good taste or manners. And if its out of your budget eat at McDonald's.

 

Sincerely,

 

Justhavinfun

 

Remember the best tip............is not the tip of yer dick

[roamingguy 300291]

Me unequivocally NO NEGOTIATING

Something a gentleman wouldn't do to a lady

Even if a lady says she allows negotiating (something I haven't run into btw) her first opening rate if you will is what I'll pay. I won't negotiate. Only she knows what her time is worth, what her expenses are and so on. It's IMHO devaluing a lady for me or any man to even suggest a donation when the lady is providing her companionship, which has an intangible value far exceeding any donation that could be asked for

RG

[Guest realnicehat]

I also voted No.

 

The thought had never crossed my mind to negotiate prior to this thread. Nothing I have read here has changed that.

 

RNH

[Guest fi****ek]

I voted no, but, to be truthful, I wouldn't contact a woman who advertised negotiable rates.

 

These women are vulnerable enough as it is, I have no intention in rubbing salt in a wound by suggesting they're not worth their advertised rate. These women are under considerable pressure from men to drop their rates because they're not pretty enough, they're too old, their services are too restrictive, they weigh too much, their tits are too small, their asses are too big, they live in the boonies, there's no such thing as a gold plated pussy and about a hundred other reasons that certain men come up with to justify their low ball cut rate mentality of wanting something for nothing. On a personal level I'm fed up with it.

 

Pay or don't pay is how I see it. Everything else is just white noise.

[Genevieve Marceau 68000]

It absolutely blows me away that you feel you understand what goes through a woman's mind when she is contemplating this industry as a career and what is "best" for her and what her optimal earnings should or shouldnt be.

 

Until you become a woman and decide to do this for a living frankly this is none of your business.

 

 

Men who try to give us advice on this very particular business seem to miss the most important point: every woman has her price, and there will always be a man ready to pay it.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Men who try to give us advice on this very particular business seem to miss the most important point: every woman has her price, and there will always be a man ready to pay it.

 

Why yes yes there are and I am happy to say I am one of those men !!

 

and if I couldn't afford it I would promptly ask you if you would take a post dated cheque or an IOU written on a block of ice !! ;) hehe and I am kidding :roll:

[Mikeyboy 27112]

It amazes me how often this topic seems to come up in one form or another. If I've learned only one thing in the four years I've been on this site, it's that the surest way to piss off most sp's is to try to negotiate their rates. This is not a possession you are buying, it's a service. (And a damn amazing one at that!) Insulting the lady and making her feel bad about herself before a meeting is only going to lessen your own experience. (If it doesn't prevent you from having it altogether). Do you really think she is going to give you her all when you started the relationship in this manner? In many cases we are talking about maybe saving $20. If that $20 is that important to you, then you need a different hobby.

 

I won't say that cost is never a factor in my decisions. I don't have an unlimited budget for this, as much as I would like to. If I find a lady is out of my budget at this time, I move on. I simply could never imagine asking a lady to reduce her rate.

 

When she tells you her rates, she is saying "I feel I'm worth $X" , and you're replying "I disagree! I think you are only worth $Y. Turned on yet?"

Seems like shooting yourself in the foot if you ask me.

[SexxxyRebecca 57974]

I had an idea! To all those who believes its fair to negotiation someone salary, I will call your boss on Monday morning to take off couple hundred dollars of your paycheck. I can guarantee you that you will complain when its gonna be pay day!! This is EXAXCTLY the SAME thing! Fun isnt it???