Clients, what will you do if the Nordic model becomes law

[roamingguy 300291]

I read an article that says Joy Smith does not like the parts of the bill where officers can arrest women for communicating anywhere a child could reasonably be present.

 

Not to make light of things, but I'm safe then emailing/receiving emails as long as their are no children present....and I don't do it in front of police now

Seriously, with ladies I contact, most don't advertise a menu of services, and I don't ask about what services offered...I ask about setting up a date, time, place etc.

I wonder, this more thinking out loud, if ladies required a user name/password for someone to see their website. That way it is more a case of "members" viewing the website than the general public surfing the web

Anyhow a quick off the cuff rambling off the top of my head working off only one cup of coffee...time for cup two

 

RG

[LeeRichards 177238]

New CaNordic law ? Still be horny I be ....

 

Whilst being a pervert I shall wear my Nordic horny hat .....

 

 

and crazy glue my name tag on the front for shits and giggles. You can also call me Jon, Johnny and John John Lepracaun

 

 

Just DON'T call me Little Johnny or Little John !! ;)

 

But ya can call me Big John....

 

BIG BAD JOHN !!!

 

[drlove 37202]

Joy Smith and her current allies won't stand for full criminalization because it means criminalizing the "prostituted women". Current feminist thinking hates the concept of victim blaming/shaming, which is why the Nordic Model is so popular with them. I read an article that says Joy Smith does not like the parts of the bill where officers can arrest women for communicating anywhere a child could reasonably be present.

 

Interesting... So, what will the government's options be once the bill (and soon to be law) gets struck down by the SCC?

[roamingguy 300291]

Interesting... So, what will the government's options be once the bill (and soon to be law) gets struck down by the SCC?

 

MacKay doesn't care...by the time it comes to draft another bill the Conservatives will be voted out, PM Justin Trudeau will appoint someone as Justice Minister to make an enlightened law, and Peter MacKay will go back to Central Nova and hang out a shingle and go into private law practice

 

RG

[drlove 37202]

PM Justin Trudeau will appoint someone as Justice Minister to make an enlightened law...

 

So, there's a good chance that after the next challenge prostitution will be decriminalized?

[roamingguy 300291]

So, there's a good chance that after the next challenge prostitution will be decriminalized?

 

Oh I don't know for fact, but I think there is a lot of people getting fed up with the Conservatives, not just those of us in this lifestyle

 

RG

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

 

We may get our wish!

[roamingguy 300291]

 

We may get our wish!

 

 

I don't know, Ford just might be supportive of this lifestyle...I wouldn't be surprised if he's had a "date" or two in his past...but now that he has "more than enough to eat at home" LOL he probably doesn't get out as much as he used to

 

RG :-)

[drlove 37202]

Oh I don't know for fact, but I think there is a lot of people getting fed up with the Conservatives, not just those of us in this lifestyle

 

RG

 

That's for sure!

[Cloud 1210]

drlove, I now think Justin Trudeau is remaining silent on purpose. When he becomes PM is when he will act on this issue. It's political suicide for him to do so now because Harper will attack him as a pot-smoker who wants to sell your daughter for sex (I got that from article too)

[TheRiddlerMan 872]

So, there's a good chance that after the next challenge prostitution will be decriminalized?

 

You're dreaming if you think the Liberals would support decriminalization. As others have said, the Conservative bill is not really the Nordic model. You guys keep thinking that the Nordic model is a social conservative thing. It's the opposite, a progressive idea out of socialist Europe. It's being used by Harper as a means to an end, that's all. I suspect that if this bill is struck down during a Liberal government, they will strip out the restrictions on the sex workers and go with a straightforward "charge the johns" bill.

[roamingguy 300291]

You're dreaming if you think the Liberals would support decriminalization. As others have said, the Conservative bill is not really the Nordic model. You guys keep thinking that the Nordic model is a social conservative thing. It's the opposite, a progressive idea out of socialist Europe. It's being used by Harper as a means to an end, that's all. I suspect that if this bill is struck down during a Liberal government, they will strip out the restrictions on the sex workers and go with a straightforward "charge the johns" bill.

 

If the bill has to go back to the drawing board, it's because it won't meet Charter challenges, the same challenges which brought the issue to a head to begin with. A new bill will address Charter challenges. But what is progressive about the Nordic model as you post. How can straightforward "charge the johns" bill be progressive?

It feeds into the stereotype of this lifestyle as being only about victims and victimizers, and not for one second considering consenting adults can enter into a mutually beneficial sexual relationship based on services for money, with no strings attached.

And just charge the johns, well that makes as much sense as legalizing drug trafficking but making it illegal to buy drugs. This lifestyle we are opposite sides of the same coin, either all victims or all victimizers, or as I prefer to think, consenting adults engaged in a mutually beneficial arrangement

A morning rambling

 

RG

[conquistador 18487]

I suspect that if this bill is struck down during a Liberal government, they will strip out the restrictions on the sex workers and go with a straightforward "charge the johns" bill.

 

this is what I think will happen period, in a Con or lib gov.... like to think not with a lib gov but...

[Brad 49548]

If the bill has to go back to the drawing board, it's because it won't meet Charter challenges, the same challenges which brought the issue to a head to begin with. A new bill will address Charter challenges. But what is progressive about the Nordic model as you post. How can straightforward "charge the johns" bill be progressive?

It feeds into the stereotype of this lifestyle as being only about victims and victimizers, and not for one second considering consenting adults can enter into a mutually beneficial sexual relationship based on services for money, with no strings attached.

And just charge the johns, well that makes as much sense as legalizing drug trafficking but making it illegal to buy drugs. This lifestyle we are opposite sides of the same coin, either all victims or all victimizers, or as I prefer to think, consenting adults engaged in a mutually beneficial arrangement

A morning rambling

 

RG

 

You're preaching to the converted, I think. No one here is arguing that it actually is progressive or makes sense; TheRiddlerMan was just correctly pointing out that the Nordic model was created and generally supported by groups and countries that are considered liberal progressive.

 

I agree with 90% of the politics and ideals of such countries, but clearly no one gets things 100% right! But it's truth the nordic model is supported by at least as many self-identified liberals as conservatives. Pointing out it's a flawed model doesn't change that unfortunately.

 

Personally, I think Trudeau and the liberals would generally make a better bill than the one currently proposed (I don't think they would have included the ridiculous clause about advertising), and I hope your prediction that Harper gets ousted turns out to be true, but I certainly wouldn't count on the liberals backing full decriminalization or spearheading a bill overly friendly to johns.

[fortunateone 156618]

Oh I don't know for fact, but I think there is a lot of people getting fed up with the Conservatives, not just those of us in this lifestyle

 

RG

 

 

You can see that in the comments section of just about every single article in every single media outlet on the topic.

 

I can't even begin to imagine what got them adding the advertising part. other than they lost an attempt to make newspaper ads illegal like 20 years ago, in some court of law in Ontario or something. they can be offended by adult content of sp ads, but that doesn't stop the adult content of strip clubs, porn sites, and so on.

[drlove 37202]

You can see that in the comments section of just about every single article in every single media outlet on the topic.

 

I can't even begin to imagine what got them adding the advertising part. other than they lost an attempt to make newspaper ads illegal like 20 years ago, in some court of law in Ontario or something. they can be offended by adult content of sp ads, but that doesn't stop the adult content of strip clubs, porn sites, and so on.

 

This might actually work in our favour. Aside from wanting to be one up on the SCC, it's rather odd that the Cons framed their legislation in this manner. E.g. (to appeal to their base). I would suggest that they've got their base in their pocket, as who else would they really vote for? If all the Cons really care about is staying in power, they should have appealed more to mainstream society,and concentrated on winning the swing voters. It's clear that most Canadians are in favour of decriminalization, even if they don't approve of the industry. It's the principle that's wrong here - trying to legislate morality, passing a bad law in the name of politics, Harper's continued attempts to turn our democracy into a dictatorship etc.. These are the issues voters will rail against in the next election. Hell, even the Conservative party is divided on the issue. Moreover, they know the new bill would never pass constitutional muster, and yet they are hell bent on ramming it through anyway! They are content to make life harder for prostitutes, even if it means some will die. The Conservatives will have blood on their hands from the very people they are supposedly trying to protect. It doesn't get anymore hypocritical than that. Government should take the same approach to prostitution as they did with the abortion debate - hands off!

 

Additional Comments:

One more thing... they've since raised the ire of print publications everywhere, since they stand to lose a great deal of advertising revenue under the new proposed law - more votes that won't be going to the Conservatives!

[roamingguy 300291]

Unless, unless, there is a planned cabinet shuffle, MacKay is out as Justice Minister, a new "enlightened" MP goes in, says this bill is crap, back to the drawing board, and returns with a new enlightened Charter/SCC compliant bill which makes everyone in this lifestyle happy

The conservatives doing it so they will be seen before the election as enlightened

Somewhat scheming and Machiavellian of them isn't it...if that's what they intend to do

Just thinking outloud

 

RG

[mrgreen760 37785]

There is obviously no political win here for the Liberals or they'd be all over this issue, so they'll pretty much stay on the sidelines in my opinion.

 

There is much more wide spread and public support for the decriminalization of marijuana which the Liberals speak pretty freely about.

 

Not sure if it's strategic or merely an acknowledgement that this isn't of much importance to the electorate at large.

 

Peace

MG

[cinelli 22184]

Not sure if it's strategic or merely an acknowledgement that this isn't of much importance to the electorate

 

I work/hang out with a lot of rough and ready type guys. Not one of them has mentioned the new bill, ever.

 

People have other things on their mind.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

Given articles like this one - Should pimps and johns pay to help human trafficking victims it looks LE may suddenly be motivated to do more enforcement than some commentators earlier in this thread would believe.

[Finch20 826]

Before the new bill becomes law, I would have to see some SP's that I have never seen and re-evaluate after that. It sucks, but I'll wait and see. I can't imagine I would be able to go on without having ever met Lexy Grace!

[fortunateone 156618]

Similar legislation was presented in France recently. It was understood and abolitionists rejoiced, France was going to use the Nordic model. Except, the senate of France today, sliced thru this fancy bill and said, no to criminalization of clients. The reason was that resources used to pursue clients would be better spent on looking for trafficking victims.

 

Vive le France.

 

 

(i can't find any links via google on this, but both Boivin and Plecet brought this up today)

 

Plus vive le Eve Plecet. I like her :)

[Rysard 110]

I have a few ladies I will visit for 'tea' until I see where the dust settles - C-36 will never stand review by the SCC but until then things will depend on local LE enforcement policies and I don't want to be the exemplar case...

[Mikeyboy 27113]

[Lexy Grace 103696]

I'm not sure if this has been said and I apologize if it has.

The hobbyists know who the established, reputable and legit companions are and the companions do as well for both hobbyists and companions.

I see no reason to have this mass panic (rightfully so we should all be upset and pissed as hell but there are ways to deal with this shit, if the BS bill passes).

There are many wonderful companions to spend quality time with and not worry about being caught or getting in trouble for spending time with a companion that you know is safe to contact for "time and companionship".

Just my thoughts..

Hugs and Kisses,

Lexy