Words now in the CENSOR list and why...

[Guest D***el B***e]

The silent one has returned.

 

Folks, let's make this simple.

 

There is absolutely NO point in making a censored words list that is available to the general audience. Besides, if you use the "preview post" function, you will know what you can't say. (Thus the substitution of the words "business operator.")

 

We are all adults. We all know what double entendre is about. Unfortunately, so does the powers that be.

 

You don't discuss any SPECIFIC activity in regard to actions between a client and a business operator.

 

A recommendation?

 

"I had a lovely evening with Madame X. She looked fantastic and we enjoyed our time together immensely. I look forward to future meetings."

 

Pretty frickin' simple.

 

The general discussion area will be a minefield for the time being BUT it will get better. Again, avoid using specifics in regard to the business. There is all sorts of sexy talk that can be had - it's conducted on all sorts of venues, not just escort sites.

 

PMs? Use your brains people. That is the kind of stuff that CAN BE subpoenaed for disclosure. Communication for the purposes of prostitution is what everyone needs to avoid. PMs are to arrange meetings. NO DISCUSSION OF ACTIVITY.

 

Websites. Everyone is guilty of being lazy and asking questions that probably are answered on a business operator's site. Go to the site. READ THE FAQs. Don't ask questions that could get either or both of you in trouble.

 

Text Messaging. See the rules for PMs. Same thing.

 

Bottom line... if you don't like the rules, you don't have to stay. CERB is a community that has to operate above board. If you don't like the rules, pack your bags and find a site that suits your sense of danger.

 

Now... back to being an enigma.....

 

 

 

I find this is a rather rude post. You're insulting the intelligence of most people here. No need for you to treat us like fucken kids and use that tone of voice.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Forgive me if this is a stupid question but I simply have to ask.

 

How would you propose mod supply us with a list of censored words? Wouldn't that be a list of dots.............?

IF Mod decided to create that list, all he would have to do so the words don't appear like "........." is to add spaces or dashes within the words. For example, C 3 6.

[Old Dog 179138]

I find this is a rather rude post. You're insulting the intelligence of most people here. No need for you to treat us like fucken kids and use that tone of voice.

 

Okie dokie Daniel. Thanks.

[Miss Jessica Lee 43328]

IF Mod decided to create that list, all he would have to do so the words don't appear like "........." is to add spaces or dashes within the words. For example, C 3 6.

 

I understand that. However wouldn't it defeat the purpose of banning the words if the mod then posted them all in cryptic fashion the way he doesn't want us to?

 

I think I agree with old dog. It's not difficult to preview any post to ensure its compatibility with new guidelines and censorship. Just my thoughts.

[Talia Ciarra 3360]

Are we still allowed to post our rates?

[peacectryguy 12523]

It is sad that our government is systematically taking away our freedoms and freedom of speech is the one we are talking about here.I despise this as much as anyone, especially in the week that we honor so many who have sacrificed so much for these freedoms. However, we have to do what we must to "weather the storm" as it were. This is hard for all of us and we will need to keep our wits about us and work together. Being divided amongst ourselves only hurts us. Let's support the site and the mods in their attempt to keep this community alive and safe for us all. What I see in this community is a great many intelligent, thoughtful adults, not a bunch of squabbling teenagers so let's try to remain civil with each other and united even in the face of something designed to tear this all apart. We will prevail in the long run. I truly believe that even though I admit that it won't be easy. I did not join this site for some "penthouse letters" talking about all the positions and details. I joined here because it seemed to rise above that with class and dignity. Maybe I'm talking out of my butt here but I want this place to go on and remain as a beacon of how to engage in this hobby the "right" way.

[Barney 2543]

Can I still say the Bruins Suck LOL. Habs kick Bruins ass tonight !!

[Jabba 18389]

... What I see in this community is a great many intelligent, thoughtful adults, not a bunch of squabbling teenagers so let's try to remain civil with each other and united even in the face of something designed to tear this all apart. ....

 

If you think this is bad, you should sit in the House of Commons during Question period.

[cinelli 22184]

Are we still allowed to post our rates?

 

As far as a specific value for a specific amount of time, okay.

 

A fee for any kind of specific activity is obviously against the law.

[peacectryguy 12523]

If you think this is bad, you should sit in the House of Commons during Question period.

Lol, I seriously think I would snap if I was in the House for that. One time, I watched about 5 minutes on TV and it took every ounce of will I had not to throw my TV off the balcony. :roll:

[MightyPen 67414]

How would you propose mod supply us with a list of censored words? Wouldn't that be a list of dots.............?

Easiest way is to make a list and then capture that list as an image, then post the image in a thread. The board filter catches text, but it can't tell one pixel in an image from another. (And for this reason, if you post ads that include images containing text, you'll want to check those closely because the filter can't read the words.)

 

There is absolutely NO point in making a censored words list that is available to the general audience. Besides, if you use the "preview post" function, you will know what you can't say. (Thus the substitution of the words "business operator.")

 

Not surprisingly, I disagree. :)

 

First, posting the list make it easier for me to write posts because I know ahead of time what not to say. Second, by seeing the full list of words I'll be able to see the reasoning behind mod's selection and obey its spirit, not just its letter; I can avoid accidentally using even synonyms that the list might have missed. (And there's the text-in-images thing I mentioned above, but that's a minor point.)

 

Right now I have a vague sense of the list's intention, but mod knows much more about its specific intention and boundaries than I do. (I can't write a certain bill's name? Really? Okay. Any other surprises?) Seeing the list would leave me much better informed and make posting here a better experience.

 

(If you were in a new country and they mystifyingly refused to tell you the laws, but assured you that the instant before you did something illegal someone would always be there to tap you on the shoulder so you could change your mind... would that seem efficient? And a native strolling up and exhorting you that "c'mon, it's simple, just use common sense" really wouldn't improve the situation much.)

[bewlayb 7480]

Hey Mighty, many thanks for explaining exactly why I wanted to see a list. I'd much rather be informed so I can take a more direct and intuitive approach to writing within the rules. This to me is preferable to a Pavlovian conditioning approach, which I consider terribly inefficient and would probably find annoying.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Are we still allowed to post our rates?

 

Yes but now potential clients will be paying for time and companionship on this site.

[Ice4fun 78396]

Change is never easy... no matter how the MOD does this someone will think there is a better way or a way they would like better. Now don't get me wrong... i don't see anything wrong with the discussion as it might identify suggestions that are adopted and benefit everyone. What I would suggest is that we pause for a moment and ask ourselves is the comment i am going to make a positive input or a rant...is it a suggestion that is about process or is it a personal attack on others.

 

As i read many of the posts on various threads I am struck with the level of stress and confusion and frustration that is being expressed and I can't help but think that Mr. Harper and his band of excessively right wing follower must be loving the level of rancor that they have caused everyone who participates in this industry.

 

For me... I am pretty certain that we will find our way through the growing pains. I am going to continue to book "time" with the wonderful ladies of CERB and after my next meeting with a wonderful lady I will make a point of sitting down to draft a well worded recommendation that will meet both the legal requirements and the CERB wording requirements...will it be harder than in the past...yes of course because change is hard... hard but not impossible.

 

Just my Opinion

[Old Dog 179138]

 

Not surprisingly, I disagree. :)

 

First, posting the list make it easier for me to write posts because I know ahead of time what not to say. Second, by seeing the full list of words I'll be able to see the reasoning behind mod's selection and obey its spirit, not just its letter; I can avoid accidentally using even synonyms that the list might have missed. (And there's the text-in-images thing I mentioned above, but that's a minor point.)

 

Right now I have a vague sense of the list's intention, but mod knows much more about its specific intention and boundaries than I do. (I can't write a certain bill's name? Really? Okay. Any other surprises?) Seeing the list would leave me much better informed and make posting here a better experience.

 

(If you were in a new country and they mystifyingly refused to tell you the laws, but assured you that the instant before you did something illegal someone would always be there to tap you on the shoulder so you could change your mind... would that seem efficient? And a native strolling up and exhorting you that "c'mon, it's simple, just use common sense" really wouldn't improve the situation much.)

 

Yup. I get where you are coming from... and I do agree.

 

That being said, we don't have the advantage of knowing any and all legal advice that the owners and moderators of the board have received. I know that if my lawyer told me to stop saying or writing the word "poo" or I would face lawsuits and jail time, "poo" would be a word eliminated from my vocabulary ASAP.

 

It's an adjustment and it is conformity to something that we didn't want to face. Whether it's temporary or not, that is yet to be determined.

 

For the time being, it's our reality. Whether a "list" can or will be revealed is entirely up to the site owners and moderators and their legal counsel. The fact that we still have a venue within which to debate this matter is something for which we should be extremely grateful.

[gecho 171]

Well said. I doubt it the law enforcers are astute enough to "translate".

[xxxAxxx 21016]

The silent one has returned.

 

Folks, let's make this simple.

 

There is absolutely NO point in making a censored words list that is available to the general audience. Besides, if you use the "preview post" function, you will know what you can't say. (Thus the substitution of the words "business operator.")

 

We are all adults. We all know what double entendre is about. Unfortunately, so does the powers that be.

 

You don't discuss any SPECIFIC activity in regard to actions between a client and a business operator.

 

A recommendation?

 

"I had a lovely evening with Madame X. She looked fantastic and we enjoyed our time together immensely. I look forward to future meetings."

 

Pretty frickin' simple.

 

The general discussion area will be a minefield for the time being BUT it will get better. Again, avoid using specifics in regard to the business. There is all sorts of sexy talk that can be had - it's conducted on all sorts of venues, not just escort sites.

 

PMs? Use your brains people. That is the kind of stuff that CAN BE subpoenaed for disclosure. Communication for the purposes of prostitution is what everyone needs to avoid. PMs are to arrange meetings. NO DISCUSSION OF ACTIVITY.

 

Websites. Everyone is guilty of being lazy and asking questions that probably are answered on a business operator's site. Go to the site. READ THE FAQs. Don't ask questions that could get either or both of you in trouble.

 

Text Messaging. See the rules for PMs. Same thing.

 

Bottom line... if you don't like the rules, you don't have to stay. CERB is a community that has to operate above board. If you don't like the rules, pack your bags and find a site that suits your sense of danger.

 

Now... back to being an enigma.....

 

I find this is a rather rude post. You're insulting the intelligence of most people here. No need for you to treat us like fucken kids and use that tone of voice.

 

I'm sorry you were personally offended by his post, but I for one agree fullheartedly with his comments. Majority of hobbyists can't be bothered to follow the simple guidelines he mentioned.

Stupidity? Maybe, maybe not.

I would like to continue treating people who act like children, like children!

If you go through threads on here, you will see MANY threads started by ladies to vent about all the "dumbfuckery" and "tomfoolery" we have to deal with on a daily basis. 80% of the questions I have had to answer via text/email/PM could have been avoided if the person had bothered to look at my website.

His comments were not aimed at you directly, and seeing as they don't seem to apply to you, congrats! You're one of the few men who isn't wasting ladies' time... As for the rest of the gents, maybe his post did apply to them. Keep that in mind.

Also keep in mind how many people are completely uninformed about the new laws and have no comprehension at all about why cerb is changing.

I myself have been guilty on more than one occasion of "dumbing things down" because I have personally witnessed how difficult it seems to be for some people to educate themselves.

 

Unrelated .. In regards to the list being published... Ladies who post on BP would know this, but the "General public" might not.... BP has had word censorship from the get-go.

They do not have a list of censored terms (that I am aware of).

I am not allowed to post my name, email or website with them because they all contain 3 X's in a row. Have I flipped out and accused BP of denying me freedom of speech?

No. Because they didn't. I simply chose not to give them any of my money.

The best part was, I did not find out about the censoring until I had finished writing the ad (which never got posted), when it was time to publish, I got a pop-up informing me that "XXX" is a forbidden term.

Now, if this method of operation has been working for BP for so long, why can't it here?

Are we, as a whole, less enlightened than BP users?

If you can't preview your own post before writing, then you deserve to look stupid with a bunch of "......" cause I personally preview every post long before this censorship came about. Any good writer ALWAYS proof reads their work.

/endrant

 

PS- all the "..." In this post were intentional.

[peacectryguy 12523]

One thing to add to my previous statement is that while I understand having to remove certain terms from ads and recos because of this law, I am rather disturbed that many words/ terms have to be removed from our day to day conversations on our forums. It can sometimes take something away from the context. However, the way this law was written can confuse even some brilliant legal minds, let alone a bunch of average "joes" such as myself so we have to adapt and deal with it accordingly. I'm sure the legal council for the owners of the site have scoured every minute detail to protect the site from government and LE so I'll preview, edit or whatever I have to do in an effort to comply. Eventually, this will be just a blip on the radar, I hope.

[Angel's Touch Ottawa 22561]

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[Boomer 33202]

I understand that there is new law, and I would point out that it is untested at this juncture. I'd like to make two points.

 

The first issue is one of accountability, and here there are two people that are responsible for the content. The poster should and must take ultimate responsibility based on the rules of the board, and the board has some part, but I don't thing can be reasonably expected to police every word that gets published in the ads and posts.

 

The second point is about the degree of paranoia about what is coming. It reminds me of the Quebec language laws and the well documented diligence and blunders made by their language police enforcing the sign laws.

 

There may be some scrutiny of content by the authorities, but I can't see them drilling down to analyze content on a board like CERB on a word by word basis. That said, they may occasionally investigate on obviously objectionable ads, but I can't see them devoting their resources unless they get enough complaints.

[Ice4fun 78396]

The second point is about the degree of paranoia about what is coming. It reminds me of the Quebec language laws and the well documented diligence and blunders made by their language police enforcing the sign laws.

 

There may be some scrutiny of content by the authorities, but I can't see them drilling down to analyze content on a board like CERB on a word by word basis. That said, they may occasionally investigate on obviously objectionable ads, but I can't see them devoting their resources unless they get enough complaints.

 

I certainly agree with you I don't expect that LE will be going to that extreme but the rub lies in your last comment about complaints... i don't think that LE will have any interest in allocating resources to things like CERB unless the militant right wing decides that this is the cause they want to push and start joining these boards and causing shit by making complaints when someone inadvertently crosses a line.

 

I totally understand why the MOD and others who are running this board would want to try and protect themselves at least until they have a good understanding of where this is going.

 

Those people who are in favor of change will tout all its many benefits and those against it will speak of doom and gloom the truth inevitably will come down somewhere in between the challenge for the MOD and us is to figure out exactly where that middle ground is so we can all mitigate our risks. A year from now this will all seem just a stupid but will be way easier to navigate.

 

Just my Opinion

[sweetpeachamp 100]

thank you very much

[tanyathetgurl 857]

I travel a lot, and some of the time I spend is in the US.

 

For many happy years, there used to be a US-based forum named MyRedBook, and I advertised on it, chatted, posted on the forum, and met friends and prospects. One of the main mods became a personal friend and it was interesting for me to see things more from her perspective. She, with MyRedBook management, ran a tight ship, but there were nevertheless some blatant violations by members of the same lousy laws as we're concerned about here.

 

Even though MyRedBook was officially based in the Seychelles it had a local-to-the-US team. Not that long ago, the FBI swooped in, arrested the MyRedBook folks and confiscated (government-speak for "stole") all the servers, which had both providers and clients concerned because all this could be used as "evidence" which made it a lousy bureaucrat's wet dream. I really hate laws like these, and the folks who enforce them with with gusto don't rate highly with me either.

 

Much as I love the US, in so many ways Canadian society is a more thoughtful and benevolent version of whatever happens south of the US-Canada border, and so I am glad that the folks on CERB (mods, escorts, clients) are taking some very pro-active steps to make it less likely that what happened "down there" would happen here too. Certainly, the LE and government vibe is much nicer here, but still .. it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

~Tanya

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