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It's especially insulting to me as an intelligent man when I'm with a girl and she decides that greek or msog is suddenly on the "menu" but for an extra fee....what a mood killer! Like others have said, the whole "menu" thing is practical but really sets a bad vibe from the start. I'm getting fussy in my old age and I'm finding I'm only interested in girls that just have a flat rate, greek or msog or BBBJ or whatever...who cares...I'm in it for the GFE and attitude and experience.....I'm not dining at a restaurant and wondering what's on the menu.....I'm a boy spending intimate time with a girl and that's what it's all about.

[ Honestly, at the end of most days, most SPs know they sold a little part of their soul for the cash in their purse. The key is knowing you got a fair price for it. cat ] Sorry to hear you feel this way cat. Personally, my body may be for sale, but my soul never is. If I walked around thinking that the money in my account in some way represented how many times I sold a part of my soul, I would've never lasted this long. Infact, if that was indeed the case, I'd be an empty shell by now. There are many ways we can 'sell our souls', but my advice is if you're an SP, is to protect and cherish your soul, keep it sacred and close to you, and never sell it, it's far too precious. As an afterthought, if one feels like they are selling their soul by doing this work, is it the right path to follow?

For those SP's who charge extra for bbbj, it has nothing to do with the amount of work involved, the extra cost is because there is more risk involved.

So let me get this straight...I should not charge more if I am risking being exposed to STDs that are incurable? I'm sorry but that's nonsense! A woman who contracts herpes from a bbbj has it for life and I think she should be able to charge more for taking that risk. Excuse my language coming but what if it were you or your sister or your mother that were sucking a half a dozen dicks a day? Would you want to run the risk of contracting herpes without being compensated what you felt it was worth? Please, think about it from our point of view. We have value and respecting our own boundaries is an integral part of remaining whole. As for menus, it is up to the provider. If an hourly fee is low then its probably a good idea to inquire if its all inclusive and if it is, be full of care. Menus are how a lot of agency girls make their $$$. It's a different style of service, and caters to those on a budget who want a very specific experience. It all depends on what you are looking for. Menus are about the provider being comfortable with what she ends up with at the end of the work day for the work she has done. Honestly, at the end of most days, most SPs know they sold a little part of their soul for the cash in their purse. The key is knowing you got a fair price for it. I have had menus in the past and they worked for the market I was in. I wouldn't go back to a menu today because every appointment is on my terms, I don't have to put up with the nonsense the younger girls have to. A menu is sometimes a good way to keep your heart from getting bruised when you are learning to separate your self from the work. In most markets there is room for a menu style service as long as it is advertised as such. It may not appeal to all but it has its place. cat

Let's make a deal; You don't upsell me, and I won't start negotiating your price. Nuff said.

I think play by play is repulsive. My opinion has nothing to do with being decent, polite and it has nothing to with freedom of speech. I am not trying to censor anyone by saying that I find it rude. I still have hope that some people stay true to the word intimacy. Not everything has to be exploitative and pornographic. When it comes to grammar and spelling : nothing has to be perfect, but it's nice to see that some people try to demonstrate that they actually care. I'll never forget that essay I read about the devolution of the English language in correlation with texting/forums/emails.

Could also be the influence of a man. I'm sorry to say it, but over the years, I've known many pimps and men who exploit prostitutes. Almost to a man, they seek to instruct their girls to take a predatory view towards the customer. You'd think, being men themselves, they'd advocate for the man's perspective to help their girls provide better service and get more repeat business -- but instead, they seem to prefer to use their knowledge of men against the customer's interests. It's also a way of keeping control of the girls. After all, many women (especially young women) who are involved in this business are a bit isolated. It's not like they can ask their family or community for advice. But one person a young prostitute does come into contact with and who she can learn from is her customer! Often the customer has the prostitute's interests at heart far more than her pimp does! For that reason, a pimp always strives to poison a prostitute's mind against her customers to reduce any influence they might have on her. When I first started, in the 70s, it was almost always like this. The conventional wisdom was that, when a man is "thinking with the little head," he'll pay more. Consequently, the majority of customers got burned back in those days. We're lucky now to have the internet and an open dialogue between the hobbyist and the SP. We can learn more from each other than from anyone else.

For my part, I am a lady who truly believe that everything who could make a "private adult entertaining" a success has to be included in the donation. So, I included all in my donation. However, if someone has a particular fetish or desire, he should help the lady to be equiped (if it is required...). I am the kind of lady who always asked the gentlemen to not let know all around what we could do on the heat of the moment, because, when a lady is known to have shared some activities, some other gentlemen will believe, when they are reading that, that's something she will do automatically with all. And that could be a source of misunderstandings and disappointments. And an headache for the lady..... We have the rights to exchange at the level we all want (ladies and gentlemen) depending of the moment, the tastes of each others, and the heat of the moment, no? All this said without forgetting, respect of each others. I understand that a basic label like GFE or GFE + ( +++, whatever the number....hahaha...) is a good indication for the gentlemen, but the most important is to have good recommendations or a nice reputation. That's what is the most afraying myself about beginning to tour in cities where nobody knows me. Should I have to expose myself, with a list of acronyms (that was not really the kind of things I ever did really...) So, how to "export" myself with success, tell me that... I have really good references, I can tell you, but that's like to begin from scratch, I have the impression... I don't want to change the subject, but it makes me think about that... With no list, is this less interesting to meet someone or not? I'm curious to know the answers of the gentlemen.... 8-) Divina xox

Tipping is never on my mind and I truthfully never expect it. I only expect the amount I request to be in the envelope. However, when someone does choose to tip me, it makes me feel incredible. Only happens sometimes but when it does I feel like doing a little happy dance right in front of them. :grin:

Great Thread! The discussion is fantastic and all the viewpoints whether you agree or not with them are honest to the poster.

I've had almost 2 years to learn and grow and change from what I posted almost 2 years ago, and I still feel the same way: I don't believe tipping is expected, nor should we feel obligated to tip, but if you feel you got great service and want to tip, then go for it. And just because you tip once doesn't mean you have to do that every time from now on. And who cares if you tip before or after you get there....do it whenever you want, there are no rules about it! I have learned that tipping with gifts, especially thoughtful gifts, goes a long way to helping to build a relationship...just like in the real world.

As a self-proclaimed 'Realist', I just don't believe that man was created to be monogamous. If he had been, humankind would never have multiplied and flourished.

I'm thinking that upselling during a session is not right. For example; You either do bbbj's or you don't and to put an extra price on things like that ( daty, fk etc.) is just being greedy. Who would take a chance on their health for an extra 20 or 30 bucks. It just doesn't make sense. If you're worried about stds then don't do it at all but don't try to tell us that an extra 20 bucks is going to make it all go away. I can see extra charges for greek because it's your bum and not made for sex. Also some fetishes that are not normally asked for deserve an extra charge and all this can be talked about beforehand but not during a session. What a turn off. You ladies are awesome but please don't try upselling and I won't try negotiating a lower price. I know ymmv but that's ok with me. If I have a good time I'll come back. PJ

My rates are all inclusive. I don't like extras because they make things feel unnatural. Go with the flow is the best approach to me.

Monogamy is a great wood, but I wouldn't want a whole house made from it.

Well... .... I find upselling a HUGE chemistry killer... ... that being said.... "reminders" are not. If the rates and services are agreed upon in advance and a gentleman tries to get option B for the price of option A in the heat of the moment thinking you have forgotton that option B was a different price... well.. that's not upselling... thats a "reminder" reminders may affect chemistry but some men need reminders I'm sure. I know, I know, it's not that black and white because YMMV plays a huge role on any menu. I think it's best to go with whatever the agreement was before the session, YMMV permitted.

Monogamy is like chivalry. It's slowly disappearing.

I agree. The extra's is not kewl and I don't care what anybody says, it's dishonest and not a good way to do business. Thanks all for responding. This is a sensitive issue and i knew i would get good response. Thank you all!!!:butt: lol

Carlos I did see her pictures too (the shower 1) really caught my eye, but there is no rec on her yet. ;)

I'd have to disagree. Sexually perhaps not but so long as the client doesnt get emotionally involved to the point of forgetting about his SO I dont consider it cheating. Some men are in situations where their SO cant provide for them sexually or are too busy...it doesnt mean that because he sees an escort for a sexual release that he doesnt care about his SO in my opinion...sometimes its quite the opposite. If I quit escorting and decided to be in a relationship (ha..at this point I'm so happily single as well that I cant even dream of the day coming tho! lol) I'd almost rather my SO turn to an escort instead of picking up some girl at the bar ans sneak around with her on the side....somehow seeing this side of the fence I'd be way less threatened by it as I know this isnt a girl thats going to be calling at odd hours of the night wanting him to leave me for her. lol

Aside from my sibling ?NO ONE knows about what I do & that is the way I would like to keep it?.Best way to keep a secret is to NOT tell anyone!! I know my sister would NEVER sell me out!! Before reading, please note this is regarding my OWN personal situation!! I come from a very loving & caring family, far from perfect, however they are ALWAYS there for me and my daughter?Therefore, if my mom or dad or any other family members were to find out it would be devastating? Although I am a grown woman, my parents would not only be terribly hurt, but they would also be repulsed by my choices, and to me this is very understandable (my honest opinion). I personally feel that very few parents would want this lifestyle for their child, irregardless of how happy or content they were with their work. I realize this sounds very hypocritical, however this is something I NEVER, EVER would want my daughter to be a part of!!! I want her to value herself more than I do (How?s that for honesty??) To be completely honest, I have days when I feel sooooo liberated. Why? Because I do not have a boyfriend, no fuck buddies & I don?t date either-so basically the men I see are not only used for financial gain, but for my personal fulfillment too! Personal fulfillment is very important..It is a very nice feeling to enjoy & be paid for it too!!! Then, I have my days when I feel totally shamed for choosing to do this. Why? Because I am someone?s mother. Unfortunately, society as a whole, is not as open or as friendly as the members of this site, therefore, the thought of someone ever passing judgment on my child because of the lifestyle her mother has chosen to participate in ( should she or others find out) , worries me quite a bit . I try to be as discreet as possible & hope to get the same from the clients I meet with!!!

I encourage MSOG, whether it be in an hour session, or multiple hour session. Most men know if it's a possibility in an hour, but 2 or more hours should have the SP doing all she can to try and allow a second release. You disagree? I think those who say SSOG are the ones who are trying to get you in and out as soon as possible. So the session is likely to begin quickly, and sadly often end within 15-20 minutes. That's not an hour! So play with him, talk to him, kiss him, cuddle him, cuz honey, he paid good money, so do a little work for it!

I wish more couples were open like you are. That's so excellent! It feels good to confide in someone, eh? So my story, which I've told before, but goes like this. My mother and my sister know, but my father, grandparents, etc do not. Here in Ottawa, where I live, I'm out to everyone I know and people you have random conversations with and they ask, "what do you do for a living?" I always answer that I work as an escort. So my hairdresser knows, my waxer knows, multiple classes of students at the University of Ottawa and Carleton, as well as some of my professors. When you are sometimes asked to give guest lectures on the subject of sex work, you can hardly be "in the closet" about what you do. Why do I put myself out there? Because I personally believe that the more of the general population that is educated as to the variety of experience and diversity of human beings who participate in this industry, the more I can change public perception of whores/hookers/escorts/courtesans/sexual healers/sex workers/service providers. Oh and when I told my mom, she said, "I'm impressed that you have the courage to take advantage of such a goldmine." True story.