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There are ways to promote yourself that don't involve denouncing others. What is regular to you is not regular to others. The point is to advertise and offer what you want without judging others. At the end of the day, you can't know what most people think, and you can't presume to know what services are marked 'regular' or not. If what is really important to you is what your clients think, there is no reason to judge other sps. What makes this board unique is the cross-sexual-culture of the members, and the encouragement and acceptance of difference.

I recently had the pleasure of meeting Constance. She advertises on EC. I really liked her pics in her ad so I sent her an e-mail and we set up a meeting at her hotel downtown. I arrived at her room at the set time. Soon as she opened the door and I saw that gorgeous smile, I knew the next few hours would be terrific and they were. As is often the case her pictures don?t do her justice. She is a very beautiful young woman with an amazing spinner body. She has a most wonderful looking bum and I had my hands doing some exploring while she greeted me with an amazing kiss (DFK). We proceeded further inside and started chatting about various subjects while having some red wine. Constance has such a warm personality, I instantly felt at ease with her. She is also very intelligent and can certainly carry on a stimulating conversation on a multitude of themes. It was so interesting chatting with her could have been there for hours and never get bored however the little head had his eyes wide open and wanted to meet this gorgeous lady. She must have noticed something in my eyes and after putting the wine glasses away she helped me out of my clothes. We laid on the bed and got into some heavy kissing. Wow this was perfect and it sure got some instant reaction. Without going in all the glory details, I can say her oral skills were excellent. The BBBJ was amongst the best and she was also highly responsive to oral stimulation. It was very obvious she enjoys DATY. Could have gone on forever, however my little head had other ideas. After she slipped a cover on him, we had intercourse in a variety of positions. Wish I could have kept going for hours. After we both reached a fantastic orgasm, we laid in bed cuddle in each others arms for a while. I needed to catch my breath and don?t think I would have been able to stand up as I felt like I had just ran a marathon. We talked some more, finished our glass of wine and I had a shower. She obviously was in no rush and not keeping an eye on the clock. However I did not want to overstay my welcome too much and after some more wonderful kisses I left the hotel and drove back home. Repeat: I already have and will again many times. I would like to thank her for such a wonderful time. Constance is a most wonderful young woman, who provides outstanding GFE. I hope she will be around for a long time. Her contact info is posted on EC (Escorts-Canada).

What a beautiful way to start a morning. I was very lucky to had booked Alannah for 2 hours this morning. She announced a week ago that she would visiting Ottawa. I thought it would be only fitting that she have a recommendation in the Ottawa section as she already has one in the Toronto section. http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25171&highlight=alannah I thought it would be best to wow this beautiful lady by bringing some gifts. Alannah and I exchanged some pm's and emails in the past week, basically flirting with each other and finding more about each other. Her pictures in her album reveal a very sexy hot body, and I was able to explore that body from head to toes. We experimented with some food play, listen to some music on a CD that I brought for her. She also got changed into a very "hot" sexy lingerie outfit that I bought for her. She looked amazing in the new lingerie, she has 1 very sexy bum, and a sexy body a great attitude as well. Alannah and I had a very sensual and erotic two hours spent together, and it was totally out of this world. I'm very happy to have met her, and I will see her again. She is YMMV gentlemen, treat her kindly she deserves the up most respect. Thanks Alannah it was pure pleasure spending time with you.:-D Pete ps Alannah take care of Baby Blue for our next time together;-) pss for those reading this recommendation it was approve both the author and the lovely lady:cooter:

My opinion is go with the All inclusive. It's simple, staightforward and both parties know exactly what is going on. There is Nothing hidden so you'll end up with a seamless business transaction where everybody walks away Happy.. I also agree that the rate for in service and out calls should be different especialy to cover transportation. I spend 80 one time to go see client and to get back home. The next day, I added a 50 transportation fee to my outcalls and things are much better now. My opinion on special services such as Greek & bbbj: There is no doubt that these risky services should be extra. :bjs:

What type of service providers? - Masseurs?, Escorts?, SWs?, Dancers? MPs: There has been a few arrests at incall Massage Parlours if FS was involved, as they are illegal. Escorts: Incalls (you visiting the lady) are illegal (reputable agency or not) but to the best of my knowledge I am not aware of any arrests, so far. Outcalls (the lady visiting you) are totally legal. SWs: Frequent swept by Ottawa police and large number of arrests of those seeing SWs (hopefully none on this board) all over the city. SCs: FS strip bars are illegal too (none in Ottawa to my knowledge but on Quebec Ontario border towns) so avoid those as well but otherwise legal unless extras are involved (FS but also other sex acts). Private dancers are legal as long as they are outcalls.

Let's show a sense of discretion and respect for women. Just because they're service providers, doesn't mean that they need to be eroticized at every moment possible.

This is exactly the point. Women in desperate situations (drug users, etc.) deserve our support, not our judgment. When a big, strong man comes into your home and tells you “have sex with me or I’m going to report you to ODSP and have your children taken away” that is rape or at least attempted rape. There is no consent. Threats and intimidation = rape. Actually, what would minimize rape is if people stopped raping others. We could go on forever blaming women…….. if women didn’t wear short skirts, if women didn’t act provocative, if women didn’t go out alone at night, if women didn’t escort, if women didn't accept blocked calls, etc. but ultimately 100% of the responsibility rests in the hands of the rapist. *Rape victims are not responsible for their own rape*.

Pete and others, keep the concise recommendations coming. Unfortunately it is impossible to appease everyone, so just go for the majority that do enjoy reading the play by play recommendations.

I think play by play is repulsive. My opinion has nothing to do with being decent, polite and it has nothing to with freedom of speech. I am not trying to censor anyone by saying that I find it rude. I still have hope that some people stay true to the word intimacy. Not everything has to be exploitative and pornographic. When it comes to grammar and spelling : nothing has to be perfect, but it's nice to see that some people try to demonstrate that they actually care. I'll never forget that essay I read about the devolution of the English language in correlation with texting/forums/emails.

Could also be the influence of a man. I'm sorry to say it, but over the years, I've known many pimps and men who exploit prostitutes. Almost to a man, they seek to instruct their girls to take a predatory view towards the customer. You'd think, being men themselves, they'd advocate for the man's perspective to help their girls provide better service and get more repeat business -- but instead, they seem to prefer to use their knowledge of men against the customer's interests. It's also a way of keeping control of the girls. After all, many women (especially young women) who are involved in this business are a bit isolated. It's not like they can ask their family or community for advice. But one person a young prostitute does come into contact with and who she can learn from is her customer! Often the customer has the prostitute's interests at heart far more than her pimp does! For that reason, a pimp always strives to poison a prostitute's mind against her customers to reduce any influence they might have on her. When I first started, in the 70s, it was almost always like this. The conventional wisdom was that, when a man is "thinking with the little head," he'll pay more. Consequently, the majority of customers got burned back in those days. We're lucky now to have the internet and an open dialogue between the hobbyist and the SP. We can learn more from each other than from anyone else.

Sorry I thought this was the brown shower thread.........my bad. Why did he have to go and do that? :confused:

Fascinating discussion. I have mixed feelings overall, but wanted to ask the men then, what would you do if you found out your SO was having a purely sexual relationship with another man? Just curious.

daty and kissing are what define gfe for me. It has nothing to do with charging extra. It's a totally different service so it's a different price. There really is no normal because everyone is different. There is also no such thing as 'regular' services. There is an industry standard, yes, but it doesn't mean everyone has to meet it. Those who charge extra for certain things, like greek, have as much right to charge extra as another sp who charges extra for things like kissing... it is a reflection of the sp's personal, emotional, and physical difficulties in providing a service. For some, providing kissing is as difficult as providing greek. No human mind and body is built alike. It's up to the girl, and as long as there are no HIDDEN costs, you cannot judge a girl for providing and charging what she wants. If it's all laid out on the table- exact prices and exact services- no one can take a moral stand. If you don't want charge extra? Fine! If you do? Fine!

So let me get this straight...I should not charge more if I am risking being exposed to STDs that are incurable? I'm sorry but that's nonsense! A woman who contracts herpes from a bbbj has it for life and I think she should be able to charge more for taking that risk. Excuse my language coming but what if it were you or your sister or your mother that were sucking a half a dozen dicks a day? Would you want to run the risk of contracting herpes without being compensated what you felt it was worth? Please, think about it from our point of view. We have value and respecting our own boundaries is an integral part of remaining whole. As for menus, it is up to the provider. If an hourly fee is low then its probably a good idea to inquire if its all inclusive and if it is, be full of care. Menus are how a lot of agency girls make their $$$. It's a different style of service, and caters to those on a budget who want a very specific experience. It all depends on what you are looking for. Menus are about the provider being comfortable with what she ends up with at the end of the work day for the work she has done. Honestly, at the end of most days, most SPs know they sold a little part of their soul for the cash in their purse. The key is knowing you got a fair price for it. I have had menus in the past and they worked for the market I was in. I wouldn't go back to a menu today because every appointment is on my terms, I don't have to put up with the nonsense the younger girls have to. A menu is sometimes a good way to keep your heart from getting bruised when you are learning to separate your self from the work. In most markets there is room for a menu style service as long as it is advertised as such. It may not appeal to all but it has its place. cat

I encourage MSOG, whether it be in an hour session, or multiple hour session. Most men know if it's a possibility in an hour, but 2 or more hours should have the SP doing all she can to try and allow a second release. You disagree? I think those who say SSOG are the ones who are trying to get you in and out as soon as possible. So the session is likely to begin quickly, and sadly often end within 15-20 minutes. That's not an hour! So play with him, talk to him, kiss him, cuddle him, cuz honey, he paid good money, so do a little work for it!

I dont see it as money (keep in mind I still see it as BUSINESS...just to keep in line..) My regulars are what make my day in this business...My relief from the BS I have to deal with on a daily basis. Sadly I've lost a couple in the following months for different reasons or reasons unknown and it has definitely left me a tad depressed. It is a very big compliment to have someone want to see you again...and again for that matter. Never hearing back from a regular is kind of like losing touch with an old friend...who you may feel akward by shooting off an email to asking how he's doing for fear of him thinking you were only contacting him for business means. The ones who I see again and again are indeed outstretching their hand to build a solid client-SP relationship (not to be confused with an actual relationship) but it makes conversation easier, catching up fun, and more than often the big hug at the door after reuniting after a few weeks that much more enjoyable. Money aside, The regulars are the ones that are the gems inbetween the rude customers and harsh phonecalls and degrading texts from would-be clients. They are the ones that at the end of the night, we walk to our cars with a smile on our faces. To the "collector hobbiests" I have no quams with wanting to try everything once, but in the end I will say that finding the right person (or two) and becoming a regular of theirs is the biggest honour a girl can give you, and if shes appreciative, a great compliment should you be a gentleman to her for her business and are a noble client...repeat business will definitely earn you a girl's trust and have her earn your's....from that point on it's all YMMV

I titled this WOW! because thats all I was able to utter following my WOW filled visit with Miss Constance! Although I vaguely recall having a conversation before leaving, I cant for the life of me remember because all that was happening in my mind was WOW. On my way back to the car people must have looked at me funny as WOW kept leaving my mouth every few paces. Thankfully I did not walk into anyone, nor into potholes(or off ledges). Which is surprising really, considering I am a clutz at times, and generally a spazz. I just kept thinking how I want to turn around and go back up and spend more time. Truly incredible!! Anyway... Where do I start...I guess at the start... Setting up an appointment was easy, or as easy as it gets with me as a client. I generally introduce myself in what is probably an epic email or pm, which may or may not put the person to sleep as I ramble on for like 30 pages. Well she responded right away and wasnt all "I think you need to get on some meds". After a flurry of correspondences, and nerves somewhat allayed(I am a bit neurotic especially upon a meeting), date and time where set! (and hyperventilating began). So the day comes, and my mind is going about a billion miles per hour. Any of the ladies that have seen me can probably attest that at first it probably seems like i could pass out at any moment!... I get to her door. Wobbly legs. Thinking 'Oh my God...I hope I dont know her or her me in personal world'. Knock. Thinking 'its probably going to be like my wifes best friend or some other..."Door opens. Thinking 'WOW!' I just stood there and I think I did a semi hand wave as I said 'hi' and stood. She semi hand waved back and suggested I'd feel more comfortable inside, so grabbing my hand she led me in, closed the door pushed me up against the wall and gave me a deep and passionate kiss. I think this is where I said 'WOW' out loud for the first time. She smiled at me and gave me a look as if to say 'if you thought that was WOW, wait til you see what Im going to do to you' (Now I doubt thats what the look was saying - I may be taking a writing liberty here, cause for all I really know, the look could have been for 'oh boy he is a terrible kisser!') Taking my jacket she asked If I wanted a drink and told me to make myself comfortable. Some chit chat ensued, and slowly the nerves started relaxing, but I think I managed to actually speak. As Lonskater mentioned, she is very intelligent. She is funny, sweet and gorgeous. Her personality is very warm and welcoming. Very easy to talk to(that is, when you finally get over the 'OH MY GOD SHE IS HOT AND SHE IS RUBBING MY LEG AT THIS VERY MOMENT AND WILL BE RUBBING AND TOUCHING OTHER PARTS SOON' that runs through and clouds your mind). As the conversation winds up she starts kissing me and its even more passionate then at the door. Taking my clothes off she starts kissing me all over and then stops at the one area and my mind explodes! Watching her give me a BBBJ was 'WOW'! she makes eye contact and does things with her tongue that you cant even explain! Well I wanted in on some tongue action too and went down on her. 'WOW' She is extremely yummy, so very tasty and very responsive as her legs started tightening up around me and she pulled my head in more and more. Hearing her and feeling her twitch was driving me wild. I could have stayed there in her tasty wonderland for a long long time... and i did for a bit longer(yay) as she positioned into a 69. And again I have no clue how she makes her tongue do those things. After a little while she looks back at me and says 'I want to feel you in me' and reached over for a cover. She turned around to face me and lowered herself on me and grabbed my hands and rasied them over my head as she rode me and kissed me and thrust her nipples into my mouth... and she started getting into a rhythm faster slower faster slower and it was getting intense as we pushed into each other. Before we had met we had discussed a multitude of positions that we were going to try out, but the way she was riding me with the intensenity and the ecstasy I was feeling I wanted to be in this same postion and rhythm all day and night long. To be honest I dont know how I lasted this long and was still going, as our breaths were getting shorter and the rhythm got faster and i could feel her quivering as she thrust me deeper and deeper within her and then she leant down and kissed me and then arched herself back as she started her orgasm and with that I joined her in that moment as she kept pushing herself down on me and i kept pushing myself up. She then collapsed onto my chest, pushed her hair back, kissed me lightly on the lips, looked at me and I said 'WOW!'... she laughed and rolled over onto her side and snuggled up as we talked a bit more... or I should say she carried a conversation with a guy who can only really recall 'WOW!'... Im just keeping my fingers crossed that my side of the conversation didnt paint me as a total moron! All in all it was an abosolutley mind (and I suppose, body) blowing experience. So much fun. Constance is extremely hot, gorgeous, so very nice and I could go on, but lets just say she has it all! I wish I didnt have to leave but like Loneskater I too did not want to over stay my welcome, as she is not a clock watcher. So heading to the door she again pushed me against the wall and kissed me, hard and soft all at once as our tongues met for the last time before leaving. Giving me a smile that said 'Good luck paying attention at work' (again writers liberty here...as it could have said 'Thank God hes finally leaving') and I stumbled down the hallway saying 'Wow!' Constance - I thank you for such an amazingly delicious time! It is something I will never forget and I can not wait until the next time (which hopefully will be really soon!!!)! Constance is for those looking for a smokin hot, smart, fun and amazing GFE gal. Treat her well guys as she is a gem that will (echoing Lonskater here)hopefully be around for a long while :) peace, spacey PS. Repeat? Duh... will be, I imagine, many many times! PPS. YMMV PPPS. WOW!

Well the girls age is what bothers me if there was a 15yr old in the room working throw the book at this jackass. There is no place in this hobby for guys or girls who use underage kids to benifit from it is just plain WRONG. I know if I go somewhere and the girl looks at all under aged I bail.