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You are definitely going to stir the pot with this one Wellie. I am wondering what your motivation is. I think you are full of it when you say "very young and very old command lower prices". Where did you come up with that? Since there is no "going" rate - we are not governed by some union rules or legislated rate guidelines, believe ladies set their rates according to what they believe the market will bear. Sometimes they are realistic in their thinking - other times they are way off and learn the lesson when their phone doesn't ring. Some ladies who charge low rates do so to get the volume, or they don't know any better to charge more. Often young girls getting into the business will reason that $80 or $100 is better than working at Timmies. This is especially true with some agencies who charge $180 for the hour and give the girl $90 and keep $90 for the fee and driver. Maybe some ladies do not believe they are attractive enough to charge more. Maybe some are financially strapped and are desperate for the money. Some have habits to support and will adjust their rates to suit their desperateness. Then there are some unattractive ladies who charge high prices and wonder why they don't get a lot of calls. Then there are some attractive ladies who charge a little less than they could be, because they're happy with that number, or want to maintain volume. Then there are some attractive ladies who charge very high rates, hoping to attract a more elite type clientele. The reasons and factors are varied - I believe there is no "right" or "wrong" answers. Yes, some cities, like Montreal, seem to operate on a lower rate structure, but you still have your $300 an hour SPs living there. Age and attractiveness usually are what we consider the driving forces. But I also believe, attitude level of service and other things dictate the bottom line of how popular an SP is going to be. I learned that when I got into the business and thought I was too chunky to be an SP and learned very quickly that there is something for everyone and if you're willing to provide good service, there will always be someone out there who will be willing to see you. :butt:

I really need some kind of conversation and basic connection if I'm going to enjoy the session at all. It just starts simply -- how are you? how long have you lived here? how do you like Ottawa? -- and goes from there, unfolding naturally for as long as we're both comfortable. On average, maybe the first 15-20 minutes of a two-hour appointment. I have no illusions about the depth of my relationship with an SP, but at least some friendly conversation and a little laughter lets me feel I've spent some time with a person, and not just someone's body.

I actually drove 8 hours to see a 24 year old virgin with Cerebral Palsy a couple of months ago. He had emailed many other SPs, but apparently I was the only one who responded. We exchanged emails for months beforehand, due to his excitement and inexperience. When I finally got there, I met one of the sweetest, kindest and warmest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. I mean this guy was an inspiration to me. He had nothing, (couldn't move his hands properly, couldn't walk and was wheelchair-bound for life). Yet, he rarely stopped smiling, he was generous and thoughtful and most importantly of all, I made a dear and special friend. It didn't occur to me, when I received his email, to say no. Just because he got a shitty hand dealt to him, in my mind, doesn't exclude him from needing to be held, caressed and cared for. I say do it Erin! Remember that each one has special needs, and one of those is to be touched. The disabled, I found, need it more than most.

For what I see in almost all the ads or websites of the SPs, rates are non-negociable and to discuss the matter is considered as a downer to the kind of relationship expected. In a way, I find that kind of policy quite clear and practical, and allows the "service" to go on without that plain fact, that nothing is free in life. When I see a SP, I want to have fun, to relax, to meet someone sexy and in a good mood, to prepare to pleasure, but not to begin a discussion on the cost and benefits of the service to be provided. I dont need this hobby to negociate, I do that for free in my job all day long. Given that, the "rates" are based on the free choice of the provider, who in that manner chooses the "clientele" she wants, and accordingly offers the services she wants to offer. YMMV, as we say.:???: When I prepare my encounters, I look a their pics, read a lot of recs, and sometimes ask advice on the SP, and I also consider their rates and services; after all, it's a business relationship, and as a hobbiest I know that I will spend money and I also know that I can choose where I will spend it. I just look forward to meet the magnificent ladies here, and unfortunatly, I know that I will not have enough time and money to see everyone I would like to see. But I am trying hard.:motion:

When I first started out, which incidentally is a year ago today, I used to receive calls with a half hour to an hour's notice. I used to do as many as possible, which weren't that many as I HATE to rush. But because I didn't know any better, I figured this is just how it is. Now, don't get me wrong, if I can, I will do a last minute request. However, after building my reputation for the last year, I'm finding (thankfully) more and more clients are booking far in advance, which I love. It gives me time to send a couple of emails, maybe a phone call or two, and by the time the appointment rolls around, I'm not nervous or anxious because we've provided ourselves a bit of time to soak it all in, ask questions, find out each other's preferences, and most importantly of all, ENJOYING THE ANTICIPATION! That's the difference I think. With a new client, whether he be in town or not, it's essential you build some sort of foundation with a newbie so you can ensure the session goes exactly how the client wants it to. Not necessarily guaranteeing a repeat session, but at least giving the client the ride of his life during that one magical hour. It is possible with a little communication. The anticipation of an appointment booked in advance works both ways, believe me.

I met with Brynn Winters and I had the unique pleasure of being Brynn's first appointment on her Ottawa trip. Brynn is from the GTA where she has earned an outstanding reputation as an SP with a loyal clientele. Brynn's pics are accurate so yes, she is DDG! She looks younger than her age and her body is very nice with curves and amazing breasts. We started with a glass of wine getting while acquainted. Brynn is very down to earth in conversation & she makes you feel at ease & relaxed. Brynn offered a massage to start. It was both sensual & therapedic as Brynn got a knot out of my back! I then enjoyed an awesome BBBJ with some incredible use of her tongue. Then it was my turn to use my tongue on Brynn which was enjoyed by both! More BBBJ and on with the cover for multiple positions. Brynn must do her Keigel exercises because she has very good muscle control! She loves doggie and it shows. Russian finish was spectacular and left me drained! Brynn is travelling her friend with Kaelyn Kroft and she indicated they will be back as they have enjoyed their time so far. Hopefully, the rest of their trip is issue-free and they will be back. I can just imagine these two on the train together....HOTTIE OVERLOAD! You will have to book early if you want to see Brynn when she announces a return to Ottawa. I would absolutely repeat! :motion:

I'm just running through all the typical responses I'd expect from other, less-tolerant boards, and I'm starting to realize how this one is very different than the rest... I remember when I was dancing in a strip club, and a guy with a badly-disfigured arm came in and sat down. He was a trucker who had read about tgirls, but just hadn't had the opportunity to meet one. The other girls avoided him like the plague, but I went over, chatted with him for a few minutes, and took him for a few dances in the back. He was so sweet, so shy, and so respectful - the polar opposite of some of the jerks who used to visit that place. After the dances, he asked me if he could buy my panties from me! It was an unusual request, but I had a few extra pairs in my bag, so I gave him a pair to keep in his rig. The other girls were grossed out when I told them, but I thought it was a wonderful compliment; he wanted something to remember the experience, and all it cost me was a $6 pair of La Senza panties - a small price to give someone a few moments of happiness. Once in a while, I'll picture him driving in his truck, occasionally glancing at the glove box, knowing what's inside - and I can't help but smile. :) Enjoying sex is a human desire. It exists independent of age, gender, tastes, dis/ability, or partner of choice; at the end of the day, all we really want is to enjoy that feeling of connection with another human being. That's all that really matters; the rest is just a matter of details. :)

The exact same rule can be applied to sex. What I mean is that despite the fact not everyone is a skillful lover, if you can find at least one thing you appreciate about them sexually and focus on that, it will make it a lot easier to enjoy yourself. I think that's how you can achieve having pleasure with most (not ALL of course) of your partners. It's not so laughable when you think about it this way. :) (Did that make sense? Sorry, my English is deficient at times!) Oh and about the rate question : Angela, mod and Carrie already provided excellent answers!

I think that's kind of the point.. In some cases anyways. Sometimes (some of us) use methods of keeping clients we're not really interested in seeing away from us. Some people probably aren't interested in someone who can't or isn't interested in them enough to simply take the slashes or spaces out of their posted number.. "Having gold doesn't mean you'll get a gold-digger, it's not always your gold they're after..."

Just another reason to hate CL I guess... I thought it was to avoid the FLAGs and such as the bait and switchers all seam to do it. I didn't want to just assume anyone doing it was bait and switch so I had to ask. > The google reason (customer used his work phone) that is his own fault not yours. You should not hide your working phone number from google because of that (That is a bad reason)... > Hiding from the people flagging ads... that is just part of CL I guess and another reason for the guys to avoid it and the ladies to stop using it. Legitimate business's should not hide contact information like this or mask it in this way. It just makes you look shady and I bet a lot of guys just ignore ads like that.

Nothing better than sucking off that gorgeous cock he is stroking in your face the second your eyes open up....WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE WOMEN???? I LOVE MORNING SEX!!!!

Sorry, again I disagree. If you can't take the time to figure it out, then why would I or anyone else for that matter, want to see you?

ha! I drive a ford too :) I don't even want a ferrari... just not my style.. but I would like a BMW! I like comfort not speed in the case of a car at least :) and yes. you are correct.. that a gentlemen who bargains with us will lose respect in our eyes coming from a professional perspective BUT in my personal life I don't look at a guy's wallet. Yes. He should be able to pay his own way in life but I'm not materialistic. After all I earn enough money to take care of myself. Angela! As always you make great points! hugs. Carrie.

A lot has to do with supply and demand as well. If no one is paying the price she is asking... the prices will go down and if she is getting overwhelmed with calls the prices will go up (just like any business). Unless of course she wants the high volume of calls. The type of guy she wants to attract as well... no one wants the guy who takes back his empty bottles and raids the couch for loose change to get laid. EWE! The ladies want generous gentlemen (Men with deep pockets are very hot to many ladies... us guys often stare at the ladies breasts where many ladies just want to know what kind of plastic you have in your wallet). - I am probably going to get a slap from that comment (and I know very well not all ladies are like that so please don't hang me for that comment - but we all know many women are attracted to money and not physical attributes) The local economy also makes a huge difference. If you live in a area where very few people are wealthy the rates are not going to be as high if the ladies want to work in your area... usually what happens is the ladies leave that area and go to bigger cities. In cities like Montreal where they have a LOT more ladies in the business the prices drop as well (They often have price wars as the area may have too much competition) so you have ladies who could easily charge 300+ per hour in other cities working for 100-/hr at times when competition gets tough. Not many ladies can work on high volumes of calls in this business for long periods of time and be happy.... and lower rates often means higher volume or too high level of competition as I mentioned above. In a market like Ottawa someone charging 100.00 may do 6 calls a day (or more) and probably have to turn down calls as the phone will be ringing non-stop so they can easily reach that goal but that is a lot of work so the lady would be soar, tired and just burnt out after a few days of that .... someone charging 300.00 per hour and only doing 2 or 3 calls a day makes the same (if not more) money. Those ladies have less calls to deal with and are generally a lot less stress. This would improve the quality of the experience a great deal as well in most cases. Many guys think the ladies should charge less... but that only benefits the guys!! Some guys will complain about the ladies rates being too high but if she is doing lots of calls at those rates and meeting her goals she DOES NOT need a guy like that. Lowering her rates and doing more volume may look like a smart way to do business but in this business it just leads to bad service, tired providers and a very unhappy lady who is burnt out... then those same guys will post nasty crap about her saying her service was poor. We always say if the rate is too high for you either save up or find someone else (don't be ignorant and complain about it be a gentleman and move on to someone in your price range). The lady charging 300.00/hr will say "I need to do two calls a day on average to meet my goals" and if she does not get enough calls to keep her busy enough to maintain this income level the donation amount will go down and the number of calls she takes per day will go up until she reaches her goal or she sets new goals. I can't afford a Ferrari so I don't drive one, I dream about driving one but I don't get mad and complain to Ferrari and tell them they need to lower the prices of the car so that the average person can buy one too. Maybe one day I will save up and buy one.... but right now I drive a Ford as my daily driver. It's nice, it's reliable, it's comfy and I like it... it's not a Ferrari but I am not complaining.

If I could make a suggestion, many of us can view the ads on our mobile phones, iPhone or Blackberry and when these is a properly formatted number you can just click it to connect. When the girl adds all the other characters we have to find a pen or try and remember. So if you put a number in your ad please include the area code and don't use letters or symbols or put in extra spaces and make things easier for us guys to get in touch with the beautiful ladies.

I agree with everybody. I also prefer a few days booking or even a day but being ready in 15 minutes is rarely doable. we have lives outside of what we do and there is great need for preparation beforehand. I've had several people get mad at me because I am never ready when they call. One time he gave me 10-15 minutes but i declined as i hate to rush, it's not natural. Gheeze, 15 minutes isn't enough time to take a shower and get dressed! Appointments are appointments! You don't call you doctor 15 minutes before you want to see him! Were no different. If you want us to be pleasant, totally ready, clean and in a good mood, for petes sake give us at least a few hours. This thread was much needed... Tks Emma :butt:

I am on your side Emma. Besides, morning sex is wonderful!!!