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I'd say lack of certain sexual services, seeing as it was stated that things such as being partially undressed, kissing and fondling would still be expected; which to me are sexual services. In my opinion, I don't think a lower rate should be expected or asked for just because there is no actual intercourse which is essentially the only thing that is eliminated in this scenario. Many SPs charge for their time, not specific services. If a gentleman wants to use his time with an SP to just cuddle, great! But don't expect to pay less for it. That being said, at the end of the day, every lady has the right to choose what they will, and what they won't, do and how much they will charge for their services. They should never be made to feel like they should charge less than what they are asking because of the elimination of certain sex acts.

Wow... I really don't think she was attacking you.. I think she was making a statement. There are a handful of guys out there who seem much interested "making friends" more so than using our "services".. I get that you were joking around with your comments, but it did come off to me as one of these people who's looking more for a friend or "free time"... not that you are, was just my first thought reading your posts... I personally would never offer 'social time' to a new client.. I've done it before and it can turn into a big uncomfortable mess. I don't really see the point of this thread at all.. There are girls who offer social time, and on other ladies sites I've read that state; "This is not an offer of prostitution, you are paying for time and companionship only." Making this thread seems (to me,) to be more like a way of asking for lower prices because of lack of sexual services...

I've noticed in my travels, espcially more recently that many ladies, even a few here on cerb promote or list there cup size inaccurately. It makes me wonder why ? Given the nature of the activities we pursue here the truth eventualy comes out or rather off. I recently met with a provider who promoted her self as a B-38, what I like to think of as a nice handful, upon arrival her description matched up until the padded push up bra was removed to reveal the fact that she was more like an A 32, essentially just nipple. This is not to say that I did not enjoy my time with her, but felt a little cheated as I did not get my handful that I was hoping for. I like breasts, breast of all sizes and shapes, some days I like to admire and play with B's and C's other days when I'm feeling more adventurous, a D or Double D may be in order and I certainly do love playtime with an A cup girl from time to time as well. But I think it's only fair that I be the one to decide and shouldn't have to be disappointed. Don't tell me what I want to hear, tell me what I need to know. I could go around stuffing my drawers with a few socks and tell people my buckaroo is 10.5 inches long and round like a can of tuna, but why would I. Eventually the truth would be discovered. We guys are driven on visuals and tangables and while it might seem petty it does make a difference. I'm not interested in what your padded bra size is made to make you look like, I wanna know what your actual breast size is. I'm asking the question as to why the need to fib about the measurements and to the clients do you feel cheated or disappointed when things are not as the appear to be ? Is the (B) cup half full or half empty

I pronounce it "facebook" when family or friends walk in as I hit the panic button!

In all fairness 'social time' isn't a well known concept especially if your initial bias of escorting is the common understanding that it is for sex only. It is rare that a lady advertises this particular offering. I've only seen two in the last year, Victoria Jolie 9 rounds of golf and another SP's offer for 'blue smoke' (i.e. cigars). To your point, this thread might also be asking if there is a different/lower compensation if there is a lack of sexual service and there was at least one reply indicating there is. However it is also true that this does not imply all ladies should adhere to this and if they prefer to have the same compensation for any services so be it. Additional Comments: I'm with Ava Foxx on this one..... Unfortunately the rule of the game changed when the statement came into play. It is incredible rare to be in a social setting [1] and also topless. Lets step back......what is the understanding of 'social time'. To me it implies things done in a social setting and that are socially acceptable in the public eye. Spooning topless crosses that boundary. For me examples of social time would be dinner (and just dinner), movies, attending a theater/ballet play, shopping together, picnic in an open park. [1] nudist friendly environment aside.

Well, this is an in-between of 'social' time and 'sexual' time, but to use the great word others have, its like 'sensual' time, thus the play on words for 'Snuggle Provider'. (Which is unlike someone who is strictly a MP (which I'll get to this later), as no massage would be required.) As an example, polite conversation while spooning topless, rub her belly and caress her arms, hips and legs, hold hands while kissing the nape of the neck between scenes of a movie and giggles, maybe at most touch a boob. Another service niche to the overall industry, like any other niche/fetish out there is they way I see it. No different than other items ladies list on their menus with varying price structures relative to the demand of the service. ...and asking about the scenario, rates and agreeing on time is what it's all about :smile: thus here I am. I would like to sincerely thank all the nice people who PMed with all their positive replies and support, rates and desires to enjoy similar company, and will get back to each and every one of you later this evening when I get back home, but for now, I have to address the very serious matter of below: I am very disappointed a veteran and respected member such as yourself (whom I have never met before, online or off) would so blatantly slander someone (me! :-( ) and make such unprovoked, unwarranted and untrue accusations. I am most definitely NOT looking to 'indeed' 'manipulate' anyone and find your remarks offensive to not only myself, but all men. (Is this how you view all men, whether you do business with them or not?) I find this sad and disturbing, and I hope the Moderator with review this and take the appropriate action to the Zero Tolerance CERB has demonstrated in keeping this forum a respectful community. (It even says below the title of this section 'No negative comments'.) I can say I have always paid 'honestly' the rate which a lady has requested for her company, which is not something I can say for all the people I have met since starting hobbying. I have had many people renege on negotiated services, time and rates, leaving rushed and without performing. (...but I don't paint everyone with the same brush as you have done here). Thus, my attempt here to get to know someone a bit first before sinking 1000s of dollars (which I have been known to do in 1 evening) into spending time with someone I will thoroughly enjoy as much as they honestly would too. (Is that too crazy?) Your pre-emptive attempt at trying to justify your slanderous comments (or as your called it, your 'opinion', vs. being any matter of fact) tells me you know, on some level, that you were projecting your defensiveness on me (for a negative experience you suffered elsewhere) for something you know I have never done (which is manipulate anyone). You may have me confused for someone else. While I too appreciate your concern for the ladies, I do not feel what you have done here helps make things any better for anyone. Please clarify your statement, as I would like to believe it was a momentary lapse of judgment which I do not believe is how you truly feel against me or all men - only trying to manipulate you (or at least, I'm Not! If starting this thread is seen as an attempt to manipulate you, then I am sorry, but you have mistaken the spirit and intent of my discussion). It is with a heavy-heart I even have to make such a reply as this, but feel I am forced to do so with your false and misleading defamation of my character. I know who I am, and what you describe is not me. If anything, I would like to solve this matter amicable, and let this serve as an example of making lemonade out of lemons by showing others this type of language on CERB is not appreciated nor desired nor tolerated, but can be overcome in a sensible way. If someone has truly 'manipulated' you, then there is a section for posting such warnings, and even for SPs - a private section you have the privilege of having just for yourselves. (I just hope statements as yours above are not the norm, but the rare exception to being a mistake.) I look forward to your hearing back from you at your convenience. Enjoy the rest of your day! PS: Telling jokes is one way I can find someone I like - what can I say, I like ladies with a sense of humour similar to mine ;) as I find laughter is the 2nd best medicine :-D PPS: To hijack this thread back on topic, Does anyone have any Movie Recos for such an occasion?

Well now Old Dog, I certainly did not want to ruin your day, but our quite wonderful community is made up of much more than just hard "c"s. In fact I do believe that "c"s or "C"s come in all shapes, sizes and degrees of hardness or softness depending on gender and the moment. At times is it not the hardening of the "c" which causes great pleasure while at other times it is the softening of the "c" which leads to ecstacy. Perhaps it is the swinging of the pendulum, so to speak, and that movement from soft to hard and back again, and perhaps a repitition or more of this movement, which causes such happiness for amorous partners! ;-)

Well , I tour Barrie .. I love going .. Toured there 6 times last year . Pm me ... tell when l'm going back

After having spent 3 years working in the Lingerie Department at The Bay, I know my bras, and how they are supposed to fit. A proper fitting bra can actually improve your posture, is healthier for your breasts, makes you look better in clothes and can even make it appear as if you've lost weight! I believe many women are unaware of the damage they do to their breast tissue by stuffing them into bras that don't properly fit. By the law of measurement, the way a bra is supposed to be designed size-wise goes like this... 1.) The band around the ribcage is measured with a tape measure, to comfortably, but firmly sit under the breasts, at the top of the ribcage. This results in 32, 34, 36, 38, 40.... 2.) Next, the tape measure is placed around the fullest part of the breast, while wearing a bra. 3.) Finally, you take the fullest breast measurement and subtract your ribcage measurement from it. The difference in inches, represents your CUP SIZE. For example. You measure 36 inches around your ribcage, and your fullest breast measurement is 40, there exists 5 inches difference between the two measurements. This would be a 36DD, which I happen to naturally be. To determine your own CUP SIZE, you use the following 'standard' size chart. 1" difference A Cup 2" difference B Cup 3" C Cup 4" D Cup 5" DD Cup 6" DDD or E Cup And so on.... I hope that helps some women out there who may be sporting '4 boobs' because half their breast isn't covered by their bra and the cup size is too small. Don't be dismayed by whatever your measurements reveal. Luckily these days, there are beautiful bras available for every size. Healthy breasts to all! (.)(.) :boobies:

cerb versus other boards, simply no comparison because: 1 - Members are friendly and respectful. 2 - Ladies are classy and beautiful. 3 - mod is fair and decisive. 3 - There is so much interaction with ladies (I mean on the board). Ladies frequently take part in debates and exchange of info (yes flirting on the board too). 4 - Provides a safe environment for ladies (and gents) to meet and exchange pleasure. 5 - Provides the SP private area where ladies can check clients for unsafe behaviour or no shows. 6 - Provides free advertisement for ladies. Important for new indies. I don't know of any other board as such. 7 - Very active board in Ottawa section and large number of ladies highly recommended. 8 - The only board I know of with reputation points where members are rewarded for their positive contributions. 9 - The semi annual valued SP event rewarding freely elected SP as valued SP 10 - The semi annual valued member event, rewarding freely elected member as valued member, 11 - The nominated value members nominated by members for their contributions. Do you want some more .....:) 12-The albums where we can look at our beautiful ladies. 13 - The Appreciation Groups where we can join and enjoy. 14-The No fighting or negative comments rules credited for providing a friendly classy environment free of hostility or lies and deception or cheating (unlike the other board). Nobody no matter how valued can get away with any of that. 15-A board that rigorously fights bait and switch and deception where pictures are verified. In summary, friendly, respectful, classy, trusty and safe environment for all where all are equal and treated with respect. Now, can anyone give an example of any other board with even half all that above???!!!!.

Personally I think whether or not a release (or multiple releases) takes place on any date is actually a secondary concern. When I visit an SP, what I am actually most interested in, is spending time with an interesting, beautiful, preferably funny woman. Don't get me wrong, sex is nice, but if that's all we really wanted, a common street hooker would do. I think most of the hobbiests here would agree that the reason we seek out SPs is that we want something a little more special. We want a partner. We want someone we can truly enjoy being with outside sex. That's what makes the ladies here so special. I've had guys outside the hobby ask me why I don't just go hire a street girl cus it's generally less expensive. I usually use a car analogy to eplain it. I ask, If you could afford your dream car would you really drive a civic? Both serve the same function but they're on entirely different levels as far as enjoyment. Trust me these Ladies provide way more than physical pleasure, they are a total pleasure experience. Rant over... lol

Here is my 2 cents on this discussion. I am, or have been a member on pretty much every other board in Canada. This is the only one where there is regular interaction between SP's and hobbiest. The vast majority of other boards are too busy bad mouthing SP's and agencies for no reason than to cause problems. Here, it is a fun enviroment where I think both the ladies and gentlemen seem to feel comfortable enough to chat with each other, discuss common interests and have a good laugh once in a while. The other boards take themselves too seriously, complain too much and get in to huge arguments over nothing. CERB is by far the best enviroment in this hobby of ours, and to the person who started this thread I would suggest leaving this board and continuing with the rest of the morons on the other boards!

*looks up from sucking a dick* Oh, what's that? Sorry, I was busy ;)

I am surprised at the number of SPs who get into this business and do not educate themselves about such things. These days there is so much information available, I consider such ignorance just plain laziness. For example, anyone who has heard or seen the Sue Johannson's Sex with Sue Show would know this. I have met SPs who didn't even realize men can orgasm without even being erect!! I have a client who is diabetic and although he orgasms, does not ejaculate liquid. Any SP who would treat you like you lied, should undergo some "sensitivity" training I think. I am truly sorry that that happened to you. She should be ashamed of herself.

I agree. If both parties feel that the session was fun, then the release doesn't matter. That being said, there are some times when a gentlemen is obviously having difficulties with achieving that ultimate moment, and I do feel bad when it doesn't work out. But often this is out of a girl's hands as to why. Sometimes it's stress, blood pressure, new medication, etc. As for myself, the release is never the fun part for me. I would rather get my man off than get off myself. So guys, relax. Don't try so hard and just relax and enjoy the ride :-)