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as a newbie, this discussion has helped me immensely. I've discovered stuff that hadn't really occurred to me before, including: - social time can be more challenging emotionally and mentally for her if the chemistry isn't right - there's still significant getting-ready work for her to go out - keeping the lines from getting blurred would actually detract from the experience for me So if I want to include a movie, p;icnic, etc., I'll look for someone who offers a multi-hour package that seems to have a mixture of public/private time already built in. I'll also discuss the things I'd like to do on the date more fully beforehand, so that there are as few unexpected awkward surprises once we get together. Thanks to all that helped me learn from their experience.

I for one, was never offended by the use of the word "cougar" to describe an attractive older woman. I realize that after awhile, it denoted a 40+ lady chasing a 25- man. Originally, I think it was used to describe sexy, sassy, Sex in the City type ladies. Then MILF became the term...but mother I'd like to ....does not accurately describe the ladies that the term is used for.... I say bring back the Cougar as it was originally intended. A beautiful woman, of a certain age, who looks after herself, takes pride in her appearence and is un-questionably sexy!!! Not all 40+ sexy ladies are seeking the attentions of younger men! Mature ladies of Canada; unite and fight for our right to be awesomly ravishing! (I completely apologize for any spelling and gramatical errors that may have occured during this, my recent rant!)

After reading your thread I decided to do a little homework on All Toronto, So I dove right in taking one for the team, I gave them a call requesting a young lady providing g.f.e. I asked who was available from the website and yes they told me the same story,That everyone is available, then I asked who from the sight that has an accurate photo can come see me well after her whole spew about how all there photos are genuine and there updated regularly she recommended Alissa tall slim polish lady, so I agreed I ended up waiting 1hr instead of the intended 30 minutes but gentlemen to my surprise when I opened the door was standing this fascinating creature I mean wow! pretty face nice skin well dressed with killer legs, so she came in and spent an hour providing me with a definite full g.f.e. So I can relate to alot you were saying however I can say from my experience the photos of Alissa are accurate. ;-)

I can't believe I read the whole thing. :shock: I'll throw my penny in, it's not quite worth 2cents but hey anyone still reading might appreciate a little extra coin for their efforts thus far. I believe a part of the issue is that there is an assumption that all ladies provide the same types of services but the reality is we don't. Some ladies offer very specific sexual services as a main priority and others place the focus on the companionship and some comfortably go between the two. They are two very different business models and two very different providers and asking one to provide the other is the same as going into a Tim Hortons and asking for a steak, likely you are going to be stared at by a confused counter person and if you do receive your steak you won't be happy with it. Now it's believable that someone from another country may not know what's on the menu at a Tims and therefor they are asking simply because they don't know any different and asking is the only way they are going to find what they are really looking for, which I believe a lot of clients fall into this category. They don't have the industry knowledge to understand that not all companions are the same and don't know where to go for a specific style of service (or why they are not receiving what they want from the ladies they see). Many women don't provide cuddling, outside encounters, etc. they prefer to offer a no strings 30min (or 1 hour) date, they are comfortable with the parameters and they enjoy it. Other ladies offer a slightly more rounded experience, it's about building a connection, talking, teasing and engaging the client on levels beyond the physical. Both these types of companion have a market and there are many clients that prefer one over the other. One isn't better than the other, both are equally hard work. It reads to me that the OP typically seeks the former type of companion, someone that doesn't engage in the "GFE" date (unless you define GFE as a type of sexual service, BBBJ, DFK, etc.) but he's finding that lacking now and would like a little more variety, a connection, a real date feel. Perhaps the thread might have gone a little better if someone had explained that ladies that advertise as companion (courtesan, etc.) are more likely to offer that type of experience and the various other ways to determine what type of companion a lady is (keywords, rate structure, etc). The ladies that offer companion services generally have already structured their rates to include "out of bed time" as that is the bulk of service that they provide. Now there are many ladies that bridge the gap and offer both styles of services but not one of the ones I know believes that one is less work than the other, they are just different types of services. I may enjoy going to a movie, having dinner out, etc. but being professional about it means I put a lot of effort into my date, I dress appropriately, I make sure that I've shaved the legs, put on a little makeup, etc. All of that takes time and to make it appear effortless is even more work and expense. If I am working then I make an effort that I do not in my private life, when I visit a friend I dress comfortable, I don't worry about the chipped nails or the hair that is frizzy from the rain but when you are a client I do, it's just good business sense to put your best foot forward. So when someone asks me (and all ladies have heard this before) if you're not doing anything anyway why not make some money instead you are asking me to work. Everyone in every job enjoys having a bit of downtime, so why don't I choose to work when I'm off, for the same reason everyone else does, it's my time to relax and enjoy my private life. When I agree to work then no matter what I am doing whether it's a wine tasting or a few hours locked in a hotel room I am still "on" and making sure that I am representing myself in the best way I can which is work. For those that are client facing in careers they might appreciate this, when a client (especially a new one) asks you out to dinner on a Saturday night you will often hum and haw over it. It's not that you don't like the client, it's not that you don't like eating, it's that you are required to represent your business which requires your "professional image" and you are now unable to enjoy a meal with your college buddies, your hockey team or just relax in your underwear drinking beer and watching the game.

Since I began this hobby, it's clear for me that when I ask an appt. from an "escort" or a "courtisan", it is to be with her, all her, and I pay for her time. And I always like the idea to pay at the beginning, so the "business" aspect of the encounter is behind us, putting all the possibilities in front of us. Calculating, negociating, having X Y Z expectations, having some goals, imposing a certain level of performance, are, for me, a killer of the encounter. For me, the real luxury is to let this special time with this special "courtisan" go with my feeling of the moment; sometime to have torrid sex, sometime a relaxing and cosy moment with a glass of wine, good music and a deep conversation, or ... who knows ? So the issue of the rates or donations rely on the free choice of the lady.

In all fairness 'social time' isn't a well known concept especially if your initial bias of escorting is the common understanding that it is for sex only. It is rare that a lady advertises this particular offering. I've only seen two in the last year, Victoria Jolie 9 rounds of golf and another SP's offer for 'blue smoke' (i.e. cigars). To your point, this thread might also be asking if there is a different/lower compensation if there is a lack of sexual service and there was at least one reply indicating there is. However it is also true that this does not imply all ladies should adhere to this and if they prefer to have the same compensation for any services so be it. Additional Comments: I'm with Ava Foxx on this one..... Unfortunately the rule of the game changed when the statement came into play. It is incredible rare to be in a social setting [1] and also topless. Lets step back......what is the understanding of 'social time'. To me it implies things done in a social setting and that are socially acceptable in the public eye. Spooning topless crosses that boundary. For me examples of social time would be dinner (and just dinner), movies, attending a theater/ballet play, shopping together, picnic in an open park. [1] nudist friendly environment aside.

I'd say lack of certain sexual services, seeing as it was stated that things such as being partially undressed, kissing and fondling would still be expected; which to me are sexual services. In my opinion, I don't think a lower rate should be expected or asked for just because there is no actual intercourse which is essentially the only thing that is eliminated in this scenario. Many SPs charge for their time, not specific services. If a gentleman wants to use his time with an SP to just cuddle, great! But don't expect to pay less for it. That being said, at the end of the day, every lady has the right to choose what they will, and what they won't, do and how much they will charge for their services. They should never be made to feel like they should charge less than what they are asking because of the elimination of certain sex acts.

Wow... I really don't think she was attacking you.. I think she was making a statement. There are a handful of guys out there who seem much interested "making friends" more so than using our "services".. I get that you were joking around with your comments, but it did come off to me as one of these people who's looking more for a friend or "free time"... not that you are, was just my first thought reading your posts... I personally would never offer 'social time' to a new client.. I've done it before and it can turn into a big uncomfortable mess. I don't really see the point of this thread at all.. There are girls who offer social time, and on other ladies sites I've read that state; "This is not an offer of prostitution, you are paying for time and companionship only." Making this thread seems (to me,) to be more like a way of asking for lower prices because of lack of sexual services...

16. The Elite Crown, for anyone reaching 1000+ posts!! (I just noticed this today, and thought it looks pretty cool) :smile: (sadly, I am far far far away from my crown.....:-( ) (I just wish there was a greater selection of smilies.....:razz:)

I'd much rather fewer posts and camaraderie on CERB, instead of endless posts (mostly back and forth insults and arguing) and the drama that unfolds on the other boards. At least here everyone is respectful. A lot of the other boards consist of a lot of mudslinging and all around negative attitudes. My 2 cents. Additional Comments: LOL! I just used the same line!