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Just thought I would throw it out there.... I personally feel kissing is more intimate than intercourse.

Great thread, SA! And thanks to all for your contributions. I try not to be too philosophical about this, but simply to have total immersion and enjoyment of the experience. But here's my take. Like anything else in life, the attitude you adopt toward something determines its meaning, what it is. Of course there are material and economic preconditions. The experience wouldn't be happening without the commercial exchange, but that's just the entry ticket. What happens next, how it feels and what it contributes to your happiness, is not determined by these conditions. You can chose to think of it just in terms of the basic economic transaction, or you can see that transaction as opening up other possibilities of interaction with a new and fascinating person, who is also skilled at the art of pleasure. But that's a free choice, and that's what makes the experience what it is for you. I've said this before, but in the past year and a half I've never met an sp I didn't like, and enjoy to the full. I love getting to know the person, talking and laughing together, and the intimacy that can feel and be real, though conditional. Once we accept that there are conditions and limits, the rest is up to us. And we don't have to reduce the experience to its preconditions. The art of pleasure isn't just lovemaking itself, but everything that surrounds it, including the attitudes and expectations we bring with us to the meeting. We're free to make of this what we want.

I think if you still wondering about getting back or not, then you may not have considered all your options vs why you've quitten... -Have you quit because you we're to tired? (Maybe a new and regular schedule to stick with...); -Have you had issues with clients? (Maybe a new screening process...); -Maybe you were'nt 100% cormfortable in your work? (Considering a new listing of services...) -... Of course, those who miss you will tell you to come back, and, a everyone had bad experiences, some will not write at all... It's not to others to decide if you should come back or not, it's all about knowing why you've quit the first time, and getting to know your limits, so it does'nt happen again... Best of luck, XxXSabrinAXxX 613 262-7164

Sex workers and their clients are highly stigmatized and so I think it's normal for one to want to separate him or herself, though it is also delusional. When I first started stripping, I told myself and others "Well you see, there is no penetration and no exchange of bodily fluids, so it's not prostitution." Yeah I rub my nude body all over guys, but I'm not like those nasty prostitutes was essentially what I was saying. Over time, I have accepted that I am just like escorts. Sure, I don't offer FS or BJ, but it's pretty damn close and ultimately not really that different. There is no need to distinguish myself as a way of justifying my work. I accept that I am a sex worker and there is nothing wrong with this! I feel this is what you are trying to do, S_A. There is also a lot of stigma surrounding clients. "You're so low class to hire a prostitute. You're paying for sex because you can't get any in real life. I can't believe you would sleep with a hooker. Did she give you a disease?" I have heard so many clients say things like "I'm not like the rest of the guys you see" assuming all the guys I see are creepy assholes which is simply not true! There is the need to distinguish himself. Maybe it makes you feel better to say "She's a guest in my home and if she likes me and wants to be intimate with me, then she may" but ultimately you are paying for sex and there is nothing wrong with this. I'm a lot happier now that I've stopped constantly justifying myself by distinguishing myself from hookers, and maybe you would be happier if you accepted what you are doing and stopped distinguishing yourself from a John. I just woke up so forgive me if this is not perfectly clear.

I'd like to see an escort from CERB go visit Secret Admirer and accept his money then just hang with him and watch TV then leave, and see Secret Admirer NOT be upset because that's all he got! Give me a break dude....

I have noticed a recent comment or two referring to hobbying as paying for sex. I beg to differ and this is my personal view. To me hobbying is NOT paying for sex and I do not get upset by it at all and these are my reasons: I invite a lady to my home as a guest(or she invites us to hers for those who do incalls) and I pay for lady's time and companionship only. By all means she is a guest in my house (or we are a guests in hers, if incalls) and is treated like one (and many like myself do their best to ensure they feel like guests). What happens after is between two consenting adults. They do not have to do what they wish not to. And they can leave if they wish too. In many cases when I invite nude dancers there is no FS. In most cases the visiting lady has equally good time (I can tell by her wet ......and hot body and flushed face lol) and thank us for the great time she has had. It is a date (RendezVous) not pay for sex. The only difference is that I use cerb (or internet) to find my date instead of going to a dance bar or night club and I donate for her time and kindness with material value in an envelop rather than dinner or jewelry or ring, etc. The reason for hobbying in my case is the "Variety" factor. I love variety. It is possible to do this in certain cities like Montreal (where I lived for 6 years before moving to Ottawa) by going to a night club or dance bar or at the university social events and every Saturday night (with a good chance) to come out with a different lady. I used to do this myself for 6 years (besides as student I didn"t have money to hobby). This is not possible in a relatively small city like Ottawa. Therefore if I want to do what I enjoy most (playing the "variety" game), then I have to hobby (or go back to Montreal where likely I won't have a job). I consider visiting ladies as guests and I hope that they are equally feel like being a guest and having a real good time. How many of you would agree that we should enjoy our time and be happy and how many would disagree that in fact hobbying is indeed paying for sex or we should be upset about it? Am I too optimistic living in a fictitious imaginary world of my own, or at least some of you would share my view?. Views from lady providers are specially welcomed. I do hope that this post does not offend anyone, otherwise I would have to request the mod for its removal. PS - This post is not in any way with reference to any individual or individuals and only expresses my personal views on hobbying.

Yes I know the poll is private, then again so is my affairs unless a lady asks myself for a recommendation, most of my recs are time spent with SP's and there is some with MA's. This is not attack on this poll, but looking at the results so far, Kissing,DATY,BBBJ and Full Nude are on the top. Just an example, me the new guy reads this, and then what? goes to a MA and says well everyone seems to be getting all these extras "why not me" It could lead to individuals wishful thinking? Food for thought....

Actually hun.. the way you used ''Dear''.. it is condescending... esp when you know our names which is why my last response to you on here was sarcastic.

Amen Sister!!!!... just remember, that you are a smart, strong, beautiful, incredible woman, and each one of us appreciate the strength and courage it takes to be open enough to share your thoughts and experience, whether they are good or bad. A little inspirational thought to live by: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" Not sure who wrote that, but I wake each day, to remind my self today is better than yesterday.... The next incredible positive experience is just around the corner, or a phone call away!!! Smiles... xxx Sophie

Where there's a will (or to be more accurate, a willy) there's a way. :P

ok your posts could really be addressed without the word "dear" so many times SA. it comes across as very hostile and condescending. And I have to agree that in the past you do state DFK in your requirements for an encounter....regardless of the levels of intimacy you are still making a monetary arrangement for intimacy. If you were only stating that you wanted a girl to come over and hang out as a guest thats one thing but expectations are expectations. I personally find theres nothing "highly rated" about this thread tho. thats just my opinion tho. still amazed that its actually still going, but thats what happens when things go in circles i suppose, lol

It would be my opinion that the sps contacted simply feel that you have a quirky or interesting way of setting up an appt. I highly doubt that that it seriously crosses their mind that sex is not part of the package. When you do invite them to the bedroom, I do not think that any one of them sees this as any symbolic, but simply the second half of the appt. I think you are overthinking and putting something into it that really is not there. In other words, they have already decided before they met you that things are going to progress to the bedroom. There is no "decision" or "connection" made after arrival as I am pretty sure not one of them considers the donation as just paying for their time and companionship, and that the next stage is what progresses naturally if they were on a real date. In other words, if it were a real date and they really did believe that they could leave no questions asked full donation in hand because they just weren't feeling it, they would. Additional Comments: I think I have had the pleasure of being treated well by almost every visitor, but still take care of the biz first. It does not seem to me that the two are at a conflict, but I have never felt the need to dress things up fancy (like in an unsealed envelope, laid by the door, untouched (and unchecked lol) or no discussion of services and rates, as tho none of that is taking place nor is it why I was contacted in the first place) I find the entire experience, from contact to discussion to settling up to that main event part of the process, and also, part of what helps clearly define the boundaries and lines and rules of engagement. Without clear discussions, and clear acceptance of payment and clearly outlined schedule of events, far too many clients have the potential of losing it into a fantasy world of thinking something is happening that is not: a good time is not a love match or connection. Someone who is good at what they do should make him feel like wonderful, but then they part company and he goes his way and she goes her. No illusions, and no need for more.

I've only seen duo shows on stage a couple of times in hundreds of visits. I like getting duos in the CR, though (now there's a way to burn through money extremely quickly!). In my experience, though, it's best to get one of your regular girls to choose the girl to go with you so they're comfortable with them and the show is much better than if it's two strangers.

I always strongly dislike these polls because they lead people to believe that you get way more out of your typical MA than you actually do. If you want FS, BJ, etc. please see an escort!

This whole area should NEVER be assumed is ok. It would be like having someone stick their finger in your eye, then asking later if that is ok, and/or ignoring the fact that you tell them it is not ok and just keep on doing it. As far as part of GFE at all, I would say no. It might be something a greek provider is open to. I would put it as part of a PSE tho, for those who offer it. Like anything, this is something you should be asking about before you start poking your fingers or tongue into anything at all lol. Also, be extremely careful of trying to combine DATO with DATY. Transferring bacteria from anal to pussy can be extremely harmful, in terms of infections. I would say the same thing about combining DATO with kissing. Just be aware of what you are doing and try to take some precautions; also to be aware of the "ick" factor. I am not too sure of how many people, m or f,, who would welcome the idea of kissing someone who has been licking their ass. A little courtesy and common sense goes a long way. There are far too many unpleasant byproducts of DATO, like exposure to parasites and hepatitis, that make it a really bad idea. But along with that is the fact that many people simply do not want anyone poking around down there, find the sensation unpleasant, and if you are expecting someone to enjoy what you are doing, you should know that going in to always ask first before you do anything whatsoever. And I suggest that if you are a fan of giving and receiving DATO, the very first thing you should get are the hepatitis shots. This will ensure, at least for some part, your continued good health. Oh, and in case anyone was confused by my post, if anyone ever tries to do this with me (consider, I tell you up front it is a no go zone) I will hurt you lol. Be prepared for a very strong and negative reaction from anyone you try this on without asking first.

Naomi is one gorgeous woman who wears glasses! She totally has the sexy librarian look. As someone who wears glasses myself, I find it a big turn on when a very attractive woman has a funky pair of glasses on!