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Dr.Love, For what I read you are more describing what you know is right when you mention what you want and what matters to you when it comes to dating someone. You are telling us you are looking for someone caring, warm and decent and this woman seems to have all of that BUT she in your opinion is not attractive enough which means that you may want someone with those characteristics but the priority is the way she looks. You saying your ex girlfriend was a trophy because she was gorgeous in spite of her serious issues shows looks matter more to you. Now, I'll try to say this as respectful as possible as I have no intention to offend you but 'giving her a chance??' that sounds arrogant in my opinion as you would be giving both a chance, in the end the possibility of her not liking what she sees or your personality is there too. Now, there is something you are forgetting, is the way someone carries her/himself that is really attractive more than her physical atributes. I have dated guys that if I have made the decision based on a pic I would probably pass but the whole package made them perfect for me as well as I have dated the hottest guy ever with an ugly and shallow personality which was a big turn off. I think you should think about what you really want and what you think is right to want and if you find that appearance matters more to you don't make this woman think there is a possibility she has found someone to date, waste her time and as you said hurt her feelings.

'Extras' in the CR are, I think, illegal and best not discussed on cerb or publicly. The clubs don't wish to be pulling more grief onto their plates by allowing them. If you're looking for 'extras' there are many fine ladies here on cerb who offer outcall services that are totally legit.

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me ranting We live in a generation that have access to a lot of technology and it's more then awesome. But...it does have some downfall by time. A couple years ago,good digital camera were really expensive, therefore pretty much only photographers would buy good camera, but now they are relatively non-expensive and more and more people buy some. And they think that since they are now armed with a camera, they are photographer and all 20 years old woman will want to strip naked in front of them! I am sure that some people are honest and really want to geniously take some pictures to help a lady for her portfolio and too improve his own skills. But...a lot of people (especially man) have "bad" intentions. They will ask to take your pictures, claiming they want to help you...the thing is a lot of them actually keep those pictures for themselves in a more pornographic way(aka wank to them) and this is WRONG. So please everyone, unless you ACTUALLY are a photographer, or part-time one, have some pictures to prove your skills, do not say that you are a photographer and say you can take pictures. It is just rude and impolite at the end, because I can also be a photographer and take pictures of my cat and my pigeons. So unless a lady ask you to take some pictures of her...better keep if for yourself end rant

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I was was wondering if anyone can clear this up for me - I have heard through the grapevine that there are a few stripclubs in the National Capital Region where the girls offer "extras". Has anyone else heard/experienced this? Does anyone know the costs and what the "extras" are?

Haven't seen her in more than a year. Anybody else hear if she really retired? She was definitely one of my all-time faves and I wish she would come back. Hope you read this Amy wherever you are.

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Has it really been that long??? I am so sorry Angel I have been meaning to give that disc to you every time I see you but I have been a little busy using it myself.:handjob: Disclaimer: I am not nor have I ever been a photographer...and I am not actually the "guy" in question. Ha ha

Thanks for everyone's comments so far... I'd just like to say I'm looking for a good combination of personality and looks. My reason for writing is that first and foremost, I don't want to hurt this lady. I don't want to lead her on if I have no intention of pursuing anything. That's why on our initial meeting, I'm going to focus more on her as a person in terms of her character, values, outlook on life etc.. I'm not looking for a supermodel by any means; just that I need to feel physically as well as emotionally attracted to someone, as is the case for most of us. Additional Comments: Looking for someone else...

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But this one is hotter!

I think that Avatars are a great way to play around with a "display" or "piece" of your personality :) They can be fun!

Tis true that some people need to grow up there in the East..a few of the ladies, and i think as well a few of the men.I lived in Halifax for 7 years and had and still have some of the best clients in Canada. Prices are what they are in every city so no need to compare Hali with Toronto. I don't see why there should be any lady competeing ..in fact one can't. Everyone is different.Every lady is different,every man is different. As an experience provider I know and understand all this, not all ladies do and try to put down the others. Thus creating conflict not realizing that they are only harming themselves. just my 2 cents. Emma a ps- I love Halifax and it's many great men. MUAH

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Rather than looking for outcall/incall/residence/hotel or whatever, I would focus on the lady. Find a lady who has been around for awhile and who is very positively reviewed. If you choose the right lady, the location shouldn't matter too much.

Interesting thread, but I'll agree with Angela when I say its a bit of a pot-stir-er (shh! its a word now! lol) I had a conversation with a client when he phoned me for my rates, when he heard my difference in incall rates to outcall rates he kinda scoffed and said "hmm...isn't incall supposed to cost less??" (I charge more for incalls) however, some girls work out of their homes for incall and I work out of another SPs apartment when I need to do an incall and pay her a fee per call...therefore I charge a little extra to handle that fee. it did kinda bother me that someone was telling me which of my rates was *supposed* to cost x-amount. I have never given a special until this week...but thats because unlike other weeks where I dont need the volume, I have something extra special I'm trying to work towards this week that I need the funds for. Not desperation. every girl has her reasons, and like it was said before, if one person is comfortable charging x-amount over x-amount it shouldnt be up to anyone else to wonder why....and definitely not up to anyone else to tell them that their prices dont fit the "market" of their surroundings.

A lot has to do with supply and demand as well. If no one is paying the price she is asking... the prices will go down and if she is getting overwhelmed with calls the prices will go up (just like any business). Unless of course she wants the high volume of calls. The type of guy she wants to attract as well... no one wants the guy who takes back his empty bottles and raids the couch for loose change to get laid. EWE! The ladies want generous gentlemen (Men with deep pockets are very hot to many ladies... us guys often stare at the ladies breasts where many ladies just want to know what kind of plastic you have in your wallet). - I am probably going to get a slap from that comment (and I know very well not all ladies are like that so please don't hang me for that comment - but we all know many women are attracted to money and not physical attributes) The local economy also makes a huge difference. If you live in a area where very few people are wealthy the rates are not going to be as high if the ladies want to work in your area... usually what happens is the ladies leave that area and go to bigger cities. In cities like Montreal where they have a LOT more ladies in the business the prices drop as well (They often have price wars as the area may have too much competition) so you have ladies who could easily charge 300+ per hour in other cities working for 100-/hr at times when competition gets tough. Not many ladies can work on high volumes of calls in this business for long periods of time and be happy.... and lower rates often means higher volume or too high level of competition as I mentioned above. In a market like Ottawa someone charging 100.00 may do 6 calls a day (or more) and probably have to turn down calls as the phone will be ringing non-stop so they can easily reach that goal but that is a lot of work so the lady would be soar, tired and just burnt out after a few days of that .... someone charging 300.00 per hour and only doing 2 or 3 calls a day makes the same (if not more) money. Those ladies have less calls to deal with and are generally a lot less stress. This would improve the quality of the experience a great deal as well in most cases. Many guys think the ladies should charge less... but that only benefits the guys!! Some guys will complain about the ladies rates being too high but if she is doing lots of calls at those rates and meeting her goals she DOES NOT need a guy like that. Lowering her rates and doing more volume may look like a smart way to do business but in this business it just leads to bad service, tired providers and a very unhappy lady who is burnt out... then those same guys will post nasty crap about her saying her service was poor. We always say if the rate is too high for you either save up or find someone else (don't be ignorant and complain about it be a gentleman and move on to someone in your price range). The lady charging 300.00/hr will say "I need to do two calls a day on average to meet my goals" and if she does not get enough calls to keep her busy enough to maintain this income level the donation amount will go down and the number of calls she takes per day will go up until she reaches her goal or she sets new goals. I can't afford a Ferrari so I don't drive one, I dream about driving one but I don't get mad and complain to Ferrari and tell them they need to lower the prices of the car so that the average person can buy one too. Maybe one day I will save up and buy one.... but right now I drive a Ford as my daily driver. It's nice, it's reliable, it's comfy and I like it... it's not a Ferrari but I am not complaining.

You are definitely going to stir the pot with this one Wellie. I am wondering what your motivation is. I think you are full of it when you say "very young and very old command lower prices". Where did you come up with that? Since there is no "going" rate - we are not governed by some union rules or legislated rate guidelines, believe ladies set their rates according to what they believe the market will bear. Sometimes they are realistic in their thinking - other times they are way off and learn the lesson when their phone doesn't ring. Some ladies who charge low rates do so to get the volume, or they don't know any better to charge more. Often young girls getting into the business will reason that $80 or $100 is better than working at Timmies. This is especially true with some agencies who charge $180 for the hour and give the girl $90 and keep $90 for the fee and driver. Maybe some ladies do not believe they are attractive enough to charge more. Maybe some are financially strapped and are desperate for the money. Some have habits to support and will adjust their rates to suit their desperateness. Then there are some unattractive ladies who charge high prices and wonder why they don't get a lot of calls. Then there are some attractive ladies who charge a little less than they could be, because they're happy with that number, or want to maintain volume. Then there are some attractive ladies who charge very high rates, hoping to attract a more elite type clientele. The reasons and factors are varied - I believe there is no "right" or "wrong" answers. Yes, some cities, like Montreal, seem to operate on a lower rate structure, but you still have your $300 an hour SPs living there. Age and attractiveness usually are what we consider the driving forces. But I also believe, attitude level of service and other things dictate the bottom line of how popular an SP is going to be. I learned that when I got into the business and thought I was too chunky to be an SP and learned very quickly that there is something for everyone and if you're willing to provide good service, there will always be someone out there who will be willing to see you. :butt: