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You see, Samantha Evans, dear, The poll results we had last year, The winner was our MegforFun, But outpolled was she, by one named "none." I checked for writings spawned by "none," But I could find nary a one. I searched and searched, both high and low, I searched and searched both to and fro. The enigmatic one named "none", Dressed not in lace nor like a nun, She was completely absent here, She showed no boob, no face, no rear. I sat and wondered who she was, Or more precisely, who she does? To garner such support from those, Who prefer their women with no clothes. So as I will most often do, I ask for members to eschew, The woman that will post no blurb, On our beloved little CERB. So in ending I will merely ask, That you take heed, here is the task: When voting for the girls we love, Consider not "none of the above." The End.

I have had several 'revelations' of late and they have caused me to try to put them in print, wondering if this is common for hobbyists or perhaps even for SP's. There have been a number of threads started previously and well responded to regarding relationships between SP and client, friendships between SP and client, and for me this aspect of CERB has been the source of questions about what is real, what is not, what are the boundaries, and where are the boundaries blurred. I am meeting with someone in the near future that I am terribly excited about. It will occur over a significant period of time and much of the activity will not be in a hotel bedroom - much will be like being a couple together, having a picnic, doing an extended physical outdoor activity, visiting a nice restaurant and I know there will be lots of talking about lots of things. It will be the most like a 'girlfriend' experience that I will have experienced. Another SP wrote me a note recently suggesting that I need a girlfriend, and she has suggested previously to me that maybe I should not be relying on the 'pay as you go', approach as I have been doing but perhaps looking elsewhere in the 'real' world. The fact is of course that for reasons of my own I do not wish to have a girlfriend or a relationship. The Catch 22 is that I REALLY enjoy personal contact - just the chance to engage in normal fun day to day sorts of things with a woman that can include anything from going out to dinner, having a walk on a nature trail , whatever, and yes of course more than that as well. The more that one partakes in these sort of activities with a paid companion the more one appreciates just what wonderful people the SP's are but the more that traditional thoughts and feelings learned over a lifetime kick in. Spending longer amounts of time with women that I like does cause me to enjoy their company even more. It can bring questions to mind about what if we had met under different circumstances outside of this industry. I also cannot believe that sometimes SP's don't have the same thoughts or questions about the occasional client that they meet regularly. Hence, the title of this thread, Time Donations - A Security Blanket. For me, it is that time donation that I use to remind myself of what is going on and helps me to keep things in their proper perspective. The time donation is what separates the reality from the fantasy and reminds me that I am merely a patron of some fascinating women who have brought the art of being a courtesan to the level of an art form. For me, money does not grow on trees and is not in unlimited supply, but I do not begrudge the costs of this. It is that very thing, the time donation, that helps me to keep this in perspective and to maintain the boundaries that could probably become very blurred if one were not careful to think this through. I am just thinking aloud and wondering if in fact there are others here, men and women alike who consciously remind themselves about the role that the time donation plays, besides the obvious one of being a cost or an income. Is it a security blanket for me alone?

I needed something to catch your attention but the truth is 'it' is not even close to what you must have imagined when reading the title. But although I will soon announce something very special (hint, hint website), I decided to use my 300 post for something a lot more special than that. During my time as a member of CERB I have noticed many in here have a big heart and like helping others. So I just want to invite everyone here to not forget about those in need and share whatever your possibilities allow you. Let's not forget we can also help with some our time. I am currently supporting food bank with personal donations as well as donations on behalf of the very kind gentlemen who when visiting me bring something from the list but I know there's many other associations in need of our support so I found this website that posts fund-raising and charitable events in Ottawa for those interested the link is I know not everyone in this community is from Ottawa so I created a new group that anyone can join and where we can post updates on institutions or events to support good causes anywhere in Canada. Thank you for your attention and hope that many will participate in this. Hugs :)

I used to accept credit cards via Paypal. That way, I didn't have to open a business account with the bank and register with Visa, etc. I never had a problem with PayPal, but I think I was simply lucky. Other companions have had problems with them because it's contrary to PayPal's terms of service for anyone to use PayPal for personal erotic services (as opposed to buying sex toys). If PayPal finds out that you're a paid companion, they will close the account and seize any money you have in it. You could try to get the money back, but you can be sure that it will be deemed to be the proceeds of crime and therefore not refundable to you. Visa, Mastercard and the rest will allow the client to dispute the charge for up to a year and, since you can't prove that you sold goods or unquestionably legal services, you will have a hard time if there's a dispute. Western Union can also be a difficult company in some cases, and their fees are very high. Use a generic e-mail address and have clients do e-mail money transfers to that address. You can tie the address to your own bank account. Once the funds arrive, they're yours. The client cannot recover them later. However, if you have clients coming from the States or Europe, they can't make e-mail money transfers. They can make bank transfers but you'll both have to provide complete, accurate name and address info. Banks are required to report deposits or transfers of $10,000 or more to the CRA. However, one of my clients is a leading expert in bank security and he has informed me that, in fact, the CRA monitors deposits of $5,000 or more. So, be careful about them! Break them up into smaller units if you need to. Always remember: Money is not a "real" thing unless it's cash. As long as it's being transferred around as numbers, the banks' interests are going to be served first, every time!

I offer this service, and very much enjoy it. But as Malika stated, YMMV--if you're average sized, no problem, but if you've got some monster cock, my skills aren't that good yet.

I would recommend only accepting interac money transfers. You do not need to reveal your real name, banking information, or any other personal information to the client, and once it's in your account it cannot be removed. If you charge credit cards, or use paypal, he could "backcharge" and take your money back.

Today's lesson is brought to you by the Letters Y, M, another M and V. And of course boys and girls, all together that means, Your Mileage May Vary. That means that what I describe here as my experience, may not be your experience. I don't need to explain why, it is among other things chemistry, trust, and familiarity with the people. I have seen both of these ladies multiple times, so there is a level of comfort and familiarity that others may not enjoy. So now on with the show!!! If you didn't already know, I am a big fan of both Katedot and Cleo Catra. I have seen both ladies on multiple occasions. I know they had both met at a social event some month's back, but I know they hadn't seen each other since, and had never worked together. I knew them both well enough to be pretty sure that they would complement each other, and would have a great time. So the gears started turning in my little mind, and I started planning to get them together. With a little luck and good timing, the girls met to discuss, and we had a date. I arrived Chez Cleo at the appointed hour and knocked at the door. I was surprised that the door was opened by the lovely Kate. There she was in a short black top and no pants, a happy smile on her face. We had a lovely hello kiss, and as I was taking off my coat and shoes Cleo appeared, dressed in a white tank top and panties. Again a quick kiss hello, and then we opened the bottle of wine I had brought for the occasion. Australian wine of course in honour of Cleo's impending vacation. We stood there savouring the wine and chatting, sharing a few laughs. It wasn't long before Cleo said, we should get this show on the road. I put down my glass, reached my arms out and drew the two lovelies in close to me on either side. I hesitated a bit and this caused Cleo to remark "Look at him, he can't decide which of us to kiss first." That was true, but I was also going for a little build up of anticipation. Since she spoke first I leaned in to give Cleo a kiss, her soft lips against mine, the tips of our tongues flicking together. Then I turned my head and repeated the same with Kate. I alternated this a couple of times, lips and tongues intertwining, then I stood back and watched as they kissed each other. There was definitely no prodding needed for that. Needless to say by this time the front of my jeans were stretching out of shape. Realizing that while standing in the kitchen in a triangular necking circle was cool, it would be so much better in the bedroom, so we headed off. The girls both removed their shirts and I my jeans and shirt, so that the three of us were in our underwear. The girls looked incredibly sexy in their bras and panties. We continued to kiss and caress building up the excitement level slowly and tenderly. Then the bras came off and two pairs of the most exquisite breasts came into view, and into play. I leaned over to Kate, gave her a kiss that continued down her neck and shoulders until I had one of her delectable and responsive nipples in my mouth. As I sucked and teased her breasts, I looked up to see the two girls kissing. Then I turned my head and took one of Cleo's nipples into my mouth. She sat back while Kate kissed her way down and took the other nipple into her mouth. Kate and I made eye-contact and shared a pleased glance as we both sucked and licked Cleo's nipples and heard her little moans of contentment. (were they purrs?) Of course as this was going on, both of the ladies were taking the opportunity to play with my cock as it pushed hard against my shorts. They were experts at teasing and making me get even harder, as if that were possible. Soon the remaining underwear was on the floor, and we were at it in earnest. Kate soon took charge and pushed Cleo back on the bed, crawled between her legs and started to lick her pussy. This provoked some moans of delight from both girls. I crawled up beside Cleo to kiss her and play with her breasts as Kate's tongue and mouth worked their magic between Cleo's legs. It was at this point that I think Cleo had her first orgasm. I am certain it wasn't her last. I slowly kissed my way down her body towards where Kate was licking. As I got down there she raised her head, and we kissed so that I could taste Cleo's juices on her lips. I then continued on my journey kissing slowly down Kate's back as she resumed pleasuring Miss Cleo. When I got to her lower back my hand carressed her beautiful bum, and then slid between her thighs where I discovered to no surprise that she was very wet. I slid my finger into her pussy, which caused her to moan; her back arched and she pushed back against my fingers. I fingered her pussy for a bit before moving her sideways so that my mouth could have access to her tasty wetness. There we were, Kate licking Cleo, me licking Kate and Cleo stroking my cock. A perfect example of teamwork and multi-tasking. For the next configuration change, Cleo decided she had to return the favour to Kate and do a little licking herself. As she pushed Kate back, she quickly had another idea and reached to the bedside table for a condom, which she quickly applied to my cock. She leaned her head between Kate's legs and pushed her own bum in my direction to give me access to her well lubricated and ready pussy. As I slid into her, she remarked that Kate has a very "pretty kitty" which surprisingly, was not the first time I had heard another woman say that very thing. She started licking and playing with Kate's pussy as I fucked her doggie. Kate was looking up at me, obviously enjoying the show, and as I could tell she had at least one "eye's rolling back" orgasm. Of course Cleo was not immune and had to occasionally stop licking as she had a "moment" or two of her own. I pulled out of Cleo, knelt down behind her and kissed the back of her thighs, and licked at her pussy. She then spun around from Kate, came down to my end of the bed, and pulled the condom off so that she could start sucking my cock. What followed was one of the "porn movie" highlights. As I stood on the floor at the end of the bed, the two very pretty ladies were kneeling on either side of my cock, licking and sucking up its length. Licking up the length together, they were taking turns taking it into their mouths, stopping to kiss each other, or have their tongues intertwine on my member. It was an image that will stay with me for a very long time. Kate then took the initiative and reached for another condom. Cleo was pushed back on the bed and Kate knelt forward allowing me to enter her doggie as she was dining on the kitty's kitty. At first I thought this might be a challenge as Kate and I have had issues with Doggie before. Although we are the same height, she has much longer legs than mine and we have often found trouble getting in a good spot for doggie. Perfect height for kissing and looking eye-to-eye, but not so much for rear entry sex. However, like in the Goldilocks story, Cleo's bed was just right, and all of our parts alligned perfectly. I grabbed Kate by the hips and pulled her pussy back onto my hard cock as she eagerly dined at Cleo's Y. Cleo was lying back, taking it all in and admiring a view that she described as very hot. I can say the look of her experiencing an orgasm as a result of Kate's work was equally hot. I think Cleo also liked it that she got a close up view of Kate having to stop for a second or two to have her own orgasm from us fucking. I then realised that there was one pussy in the room I had yet to lick during this session, and as I said that out loud Cleo's face lit up and she responded with a "Yes please!" I crawled between her legs kissing my way up her thighs to feast on her delectable pussy. As I was doing that Kate decided that it was time to suck my cock again, and she started with one of her incredible blowjobs. The girl certainly has oral skills. I used my mouth and fingers to tease and excite Miss Cleo, all the while she was looking down at how Kate was ministering to me. Watching Cleo orgasm, while at the same time Kate was using her hands and mouth to stimulate me was more than I could take. Cleo sensed this, looked at me and said "You are giving an orgasm just as you are about to have one, that is hot!" And she was very right. Kate sensed it as well, and continued to pump my cock with her hand just as my body started to convulse with an intense and prolonged orgasm, as I was locked into eye contact with an orgasming Cleo. Then, not satisfied Kate continued to play with and tease my now very sensitive cock so that I twitched and moaned some more. I am not usually an overly vocal person during sex, but I am sure the noises I was making could be heard two floors up. I looked down at Kate and there she was, my cock still firmly in her hands, held next to her face. She was displaying a "cat who ate the canary smile"; at the same time sexy, playful and satisfied. What made it hotter was that there was a small dribble of my cum running down her chin. I don't think an erotic photographer could have come up with a more exciting and evocative image. Kate reliquished her grip on my cock, crawled up beside me and into my arms to give me a warm and passionate kiss. Now I am sure some of the guys are going "Ewwww" at this, a kiss after a BJ, but not me. It was affectionate and intense. Something that turned me on incredibly. All three of us kissed a bit, and then Cleo jumped up and said, "Time for more wine!" We moved to the kitchen where the three of us stood around naked enjoying another glass of wine and trying to get our respective hearts back to a resting rate. That was particularly hard for me as I was looking at two of my favourite naked ladies. Or is that two of my favourite ladies, naked? All too soon the wine was gone, and it was time for me to get dressed and leave this little bit of heaven on earth. When I was dressed I gave them both a warm hug and a kiss tonight. I was a bit embarassed when Cleo said I was a genius for suggesting this in the first place. I just know people, and I had chatted and seen the both of these ladies enough to know the three of us were going to get along famously. Both Kate and I did say there was going to be a "Welcome Home Cleo" party when she returns from down under, and I have no doubt that it is going to be even hotter. I know we are all in violent agreement that it is going to happen again. I can't recommend these two ladies highly enough, either singly, or together. Of course the YMMV disclaimer applies. I have seen both of these ladies multiple times, and chatted with them often as well. There was a level of familiarity and compatability between us that made this event great and the services may be different for someone seeing them the first time. That is only common sense. All and all it was a legendary night, and to borrow a line from Californication, it was an event that "has my dick writing me thank-you letters!" :P

The bell rang and clase was dismissed. All except Carley. She was already warned twice about teasing the boys. She very rearly wore a bra, so you could always see her erect nipples pushing out through her top. Also you could notice how prefectly round and firm her bust is. On top of that her youthful face and silky skin, where hard to miss. Once all the students were gone Mr. Johnston asked Carley to move to one of the front desks. Then he got up and walked up to her and sat on the top of her desk. He leaned in a little closer towards her and explained to her she can not be disturibing all the boys. He places his hand on her upper arm and is gently rubbing her. She looked up at him with seductive eyes and a slight sexy smile. Now Mr. Johnston was focusing more on her upperchest, touching her ever so softly. He told her she need someone who can teach her how to make a man feel good. So she could please them. Now his hand was moving slighty more close to her breasts. Carley was enjoying it. She could feel her little tight p***y getting really wet. Mr. Johnston then took her hand and placed it on his leg. Carley moved her hand up and down and then felt his hard c**k. She paused for a minute, blushed, then started rubbing slowly up and down his c**k. Mr. Johnston then started undoing his belt. Carley looked at him and then helped him with his zipper. She was so hot now. Feeling this mans c**k with barley anything between it and her. He stood up and removed his boxers. Then sat back on the desk. With one leg on each side of her. He was looking down at this young gorgeous girl, who he could tell wanted him badly. She had her legs slighty apart. He could see up her skirt and noticed she was not wearing ay panties. By this time she was stroking his hard c**k. Her soft hands feel so erousing. He told her to start rubbing her little pu**y for him. She spread her legs a little more and followed as directed. Then he told her to slip on finger in and make her little p***y feel good. He started rubbing her hair, pulling her a little closer. Then he gave her a kiss on the forehead and pulled her head towards his c**k. She didn't resist. She puts his c**k in her mouth. He is pushing her head up and down. Deep at times. He oculdn't believe how thi little school girl was so good at it. Then he told her to start twirling her toung all over it, as well as his lower area, then work your way back up. He needed to feel her inside. He got up and told her to turn around and hold on the desk. She did as dierected. Mr. Johnston walked behind her. Ju. He had never seen an ass like that before. He slips it into her, just a little at a time. She is so tight, he does not want to her. Thrust after thrust, then Carley cums all over his c**k. Mr. Johnston the tells her what a tight little ass she has. He also asked her if she ever tried it there before. She hadn't, but always wanted to try it. He told her he would be gental and if it hurts they can stop. She agreed. He pulls his c**k out of her little p***y and starts rubbing it all over her ass. then finally puts the head of it in. He gives it to little naughty Carley. He asks her if she likes the taste of cum. She just gave him a sultry smile. Then he tells her he is going to cum, he tells her to get on her knees. She gets on her knees, the he tells her to open her mouth. She did. Then he let loose all over her lips and face. Then puts his c**k back in her mouth and gives a few thrusts. Mr. Johnston gets dressed and Carley pulls her skirt back down. He tells her to start behaving or next time you will have same punishment. Carley agreed. The next day Carley was sure to be bad during class

Search the porn sites for "Heather I can deep throat".......crap!!! Posted via Mobile Device

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Seeing that you have been on CERB for a while I suspect that you have your choice narrowed down to some wonderful ladies that you would like to spend some quality time with. Reading the recommendations, viewing their profiles and websites should give you a very good indication to your wants and desires. Most of all be clean, kind and respectful and you should have a fantastic birthday present. Cheers and Happy Hobbying

Google iDeepthroat. That is truly insane, and defies rational explanation. 8o

I'd have to write a new poem....

Nathalie, I read it before you re-evaluated. And I was going to comment that I couldn't have said it better. I struggled with it early as I'm sure lots do. Both parties are extremely vulnerable and emotions can and do run high. Afteral if you see someone more than a couple of times you must like something about them. Balance is the key to everything and finding ones balance here is pretty crucial. Though a little confusion once in awhile has some merit. Peace MG

Yes, I checked out those papers - definitely a good resource! :) It's nice to know that something exists in Ottawa. I'll be establishing the production company here but if it becomes too burdensome to try to organize shoots or find cast/crew, I may make a move to a larger centre. Either way, I want to get involved politically too because there are a lot of myths about sex work that need to be dispelled and I think we need to make it easier for people like myself to just be able to "be" without people passing judgment.

Personally I prefer a longer visit. It helps to have a chance to get settled and relax before getting to business, or a bit of time to do some quick stretches if need be ;) Plus you might be pleasantly surprised if you give yourself a chance to sit down and talk to the lady. Usually some great conversation develops and even though you came with something else in mind, you wind up enjoying yourself in multiple ways.

You may also want to let her take the lead. I spent an amazing time with an SP and she took control most of the time. It was one of the most incredibly sensual experiences I've had.

Half hour sessions work really well for both sides, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it is all the person needs/wants as they have things to do and trying to fit it into their day without having a noticeable absence, or due to physical limitations where the longer session really isn't required. My sessions start with sensual massage, so the idea that a half hour might feel rushed is not the case. There is conversation time, foreplay, stimulation, etc, along with the more obvious activities. There is sometimes a misperception (maybe reviews, maybe porn) that intercourse is "supposed" to last a certain amount of time, but the reality is that it really is unlikely to last for much more than 5 minutes the majority of times. The extra time is used in prep, or if someone is expecting msog, etc, but for many half hour afficianados, they don't have the msog as an option anyway, physically speaking. As an sp, I do enjoy these sessions, and one benefit is that yes the client is likely to repeat more often at that lower rate, shorter time. I do have clients who only take up to 15 minutes, tho I do not offer any sort of 15 minute rate. I don't like the idea of them, I don't feel that it benefits the client in any way, it seems to me more of a money grab than someone doing even half hour sounds like someone who wants to spend some time getting to know you, not just getting you off. Having said that, a 15 min session would be appropriate for someone who does a blow-and-go type of service. If they aren't doing massage, not doing full service, etc, and it is strictly bj and on your way, I can't see that needing more time. In some ads, 15 minutes sessions is just code for bj only, I believe. I like the immediacy and spontanaiety also that comes with a half hour option. It is usually a short notice appt, and someone arrives fresh and ready, and off you go, a pleasant and enjoyable lunch break interlude lol.. Also for client and sp, it can be better to start off with a shorter session, see how things go, then on a 2nd visit commit to more time. It can also be good for a 2nd or 3rd visit, when the client or sp doesn't have as much time to spare, since they are already familiar with each other, a shorter session can cut to the chase, so to speak.

Scorchin' story, Liana! A collaboration would be interesting, to say the least. ;)

well, it's no wonder you're such a beast in the sheets!!

I must say thank you all, once again. Coming home from a perfect day at the beach with the ones I love most, and reading even more birthday wishes from my cerb family was the icing on my cake!

Oh my goodness you're too funny, you just added another 10yrs to my life for that laugh. I can't even type, I'm laughing so hard. Some ladies don't advertise every menu item offered, check out reco's, ads and websites of your lady of interest. If she has one and don't skim it it, really read it. The ladies can tell if you have really read their sites, especially if you ask a question and the answer is there. Additional Comments: I have had gentlemen hold my head after asking and I don't mind that because I am in control and most times I'm the one to initiate the face fucking.

Admittedly, this type of encounter requires more planning and preparation than the routine one-on-one session. I've been very interested in this kind of experience, and have been working towards lining something up. The challenge is to find the right partners (both genders) that will provide the proper chemistry for this to work well.

I love how these Gals stand up for what they believe in..Back up their beauty with their brains. These gals are super awesome in each their own way, sweet, charming and turn me on. They rock hard!! Berlin Isabella Gia Nicolette Vaughn Gabriella L Samantha Evans Sophia Varouska Angela of Ottawa Carley Chase The men!The men are great supporters and will stick their neck out when needed and keep us all informed with great facts.Sweet and kind, they rock hard! The General Old Dog Wrinkled In time Steve Curious Pistol Pete Roamingguy Spud271 LeeRichards Castle Kisser Delux I have more that I will add..Just have to make sure I have their handle right.

I am not in the least saying this pertains to you roamingguy but, you would be suprised how many guys say this and then try it. Its been my experience that guys that push themselves to explore have the time of their lives and put it on the "must do again " list. After all when you have had many experiences its nice to expand even futher. This has been my experience and may not be typical . :icon_smile:

While it may not be everyone's cup of tea ( not mine either) the OP followed the proper guidelines and got straight to the point which I can appreciate. To some it may be vulgar but this site is part of the adult industry so he had a right to ask. Afterall, it is a public forum. As for finding an SP who does this, you might want to narrow your search down to those who offer PSE and then perhaps PM them to ask. I would suggest if you're going to contact an SP about particularly intimate details is to do it in a discreet and respectful manner. If I got a one liner asking if I would be willing to do " deepthroat facefucking" or gagging I would hit the delete button and not respond. It's all in how you ask the question.

That is the problem with us guys Julias. We and only work the equipment so long then we need a 20 minute break. Give the guy a few more minutes , give him a little oral orifice to organ resuscitation then get at it again! If he doesn't you need to treat him like a lame hourse and threaten to send him to the glue factorty. But it is only fair to warn himw first. lol

... and you waited until now to post this?????

Also it's YMMV. if you are 2 inches, I think everyone can deepthroat, but not everyone can deep throat 9 inches or is actually willing to do...you said you are looking for gagging and facefucking...I would recommend you to at first to seek someone that can deep throat, see her a first time and after sent her an email asking if she is comfortable to do it. Vulgar? eeh depend on how sensitive you are. Blunt, yes but it isn't the end of the world:)

I can totally assure you this info I rec"d is 100% valid. I have talked to this person on Cerb for many a year...I trust him totallt. As for posting the address I in hindsight should not have and I understand why MOD had to remove that info.....and as for going to the police, I think explaining that to his better half may have made that difficult. Pm me if you want to know more. I can assure everyone this really happenned!

As a patron of paid companions I have come to appreciate that there can be critical issues of trust and that these issues do indeed apply to both parties in the arrangement. As a patron, one wishes to feel assured that you are going to meet with the lady that you thought you were going to see, that you will be in a safe environment, that the interchange will be fun and respectful, and that your own personal information is treated confidentially. All of those same considerations are due to the lady as well. For the patrons of CERB we have an opportunity to communicate ahead of time through PM's or sometimes email, texts or even through telephone calls. We can read contributions of the SP in the forums, we can read recommendations and I suppose even contact other gentlemen who have seen a specific SP. With time and care and due consideration, one can be reasonably assured that your privacy and other concerns will be met. For the SP's there is potential in some cases to do the same sorts of things. There is a difference however. It is their body that they are choosing to share with us, in many cases it is their own personal space that they are choosing to share with us, and ultimately it is their decision as to whether to meet us. I am only surprised with the apparent number of SP's who do take last minute bookings, and I always wonder just how safe they really are? Every encounter involves two people, each of whom have their own ways and means of providing for their own protection. Each party has the absolute right to determine what it is that they need to know in advance. If and when that need to know becomes too much for the other party, then a, "Thanks, but not this time," is all that is required, from either one. I do believe that it is uneven ground, and that it is the women who need to be even more careful than the men. So do what you need to do to feel comfortable and safe. We will work with it.

woke up to the craving of MacD hashbrown ... omg! hahaha

Sky, I completely agree with what you've written. Although it's everyone's personal choice to disclose their involvement in this industry, it can have a very power humanizing effect. It's a very similar strategy that queer people took a few decades ago. "Come out of the closet and into the streets" they chanted, because we all know someone that's queer, just like we all know someone who is a part of this industry. I told my father I was a sex worker approximately 2-3 months ago. Throughout my life, I've let him 'know me' in all of my facets, and have had nothing but unconditional love as a response. "Why should this be different?" I wondered. To my delight, it wasn't any different. My father's response was two-fold. "I'm surprised you didn't start earlier" he said in a non-judgmental way. I obviously laughed at this response. Secondly, after reassuring him about screening mechanisms, and how the industry functions on a day-to-day basis, he said "I trust you to be safe, you don't need to reassure me about how you're enabling that". It was surreal to have my father trust me to be safe. Rather than be paternalistic, assume to know what's in my best interest, and judge the choices I've made in my life, he just took my declaration at face value and loved me for all of who I am. I think we can all benefit form disclosing our status (as either hobbyist or sex worker) to our loved ones if we are in a position to do so (not everyone is, as Sky mentioned). My relationship with my father is that much more authentic now, he knows all of me, and loves me.

Go figure, lol!! Mine is Thai too, but only when you are the main course. Sweet and spicy with a hint of sassy and my chopstick loves to stir up your menu. Hmm, been a while since I have had a little Thai treat. Will you allow me to have a five course meal at your white tablecloth dinery?:icon_biggrin: