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It's too bad she viewed her time as an escort as a dark side in her past. Unless she had a bad date, or was exploited by a pimp, really, she should be looking at her time as an escort as providing her with an opportunity to pay her tuition and help her family out. She had her reasons for becoming an escort and she shouldn't be ashamed nor view it as a dark side. Ladies become escorts for all sorts of reasons, just as guys see escorts for all sorts of reasons. It is the viewing of escorts and escorting as a dark side, a secret, that keeps it stigmatized by mainstream society. But those, be it ladies or gentlemen who partake in this lifestyle should be accepting of others, be it ladies or gentlemen who are also involved in this lifestyle. We all have our reasons for being here And a quick quote comes to mind, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones A quick rambling since I can't get to sleep RG

Hey Cat - A bit of an extension on this but I think it's important for the guys to know as well as each lady is different. I appreciate when they contact me but I don't respond to all inquiries for various reasons, sometimes it's simply because I thought the inquiry was offensive and I do state that "rude, graphic and vulgar emails" will not be receive a response. I've had some introductory emails that would make Sasha Grey blush and there is no need for that so I simply delete without response. Also as I state on my website that I prefer communication via email but some still insist on searching out my phone number (I don't advertise it) and calling, often I will only pick up the message a week or more later and if the call is out of date I don't want to be calling somebody and catching them off-gaurd. I do state on my voicemail that they should mention if it's okay to leave them a message and that I will only call back if they leave a specific time to call and I can call during that time but I'm not sure everyone pays attention to that as I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard those details in a message. Anyway just thought I'd mention that, I agree that a well written and polite inquiry deserves a response and sometimes those can be lost in the shuffle but I would encourage clients to review your inquiry and the ladies contact page to see if there is any information you might have missed (such as did you call a lady that says "email only") before resending. Cheers!

I like Roaming Guy because he had the brilliant suggestion of a threesome with myself and Gabrielle Laurence. I've been thinking about that one for days! :)

Once upon a very long time ago, I knew this little redheaded girl. She had long curly red hair and creamy skin. A smattering of freckles across her button nose. Her blue eyes bristled with intelligence behind sober spectacles. She was bright, she was funny. She could dress up girly girl but I knew better. She was a tomboy of the first class, and she could out shoot me, out fish me, spin a lug wrench faster than me. We played the same video games, we liked the same movies, we read the same books. We had a lot in common. I would write about her, gentle words I could never say in person to her. She would laugh with a snort if I tried, make fun of me. But somehow she always knew what and when I wrote without my even mentioning it. I liked Red a lot. And she liked me back. But we drifted apart, and I don't know why. We went from being good friends, to just friends, to acquaintances. And one day long ago, I realized it had been a very long time since I'd heard from her. If there has been one thing that this hobby has taught me since, it's that life is full of the moments that memories are made of. And that I should savor them, keep them close to my heart. Be glad I had these moments, and not pine that they have passed by. But I still can't help but think of Red sometimes and wonder what might have been. Wonder where she is. Wonder what she's up to now. .................................................................................................... Years passed. I grew older, if not actually up. And I got on just fine, thank you. That is, I thought I was just fine, until the door swung open one fateful day. Before me stood a little redheaded girl. She had long curly red hair and creamy skin. A smattering of freckles across her button nose. Her blue eyes bristled with intelligence behind sober spectacles. I felt a moment of deja vu, as if I had been teleported back years earlier. I blinked and the feeling that I was there with Red again passed, leaving this stranger standing before me, puzzled by the frozen smile on my face. She did resemble her a little. But as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I reached for her, looked into her clear cornflower blue eyes. Our lips touched and our mouths opened slowly, our tongues tripping the light fantastic. I was lost from the first kiss. The years fell away and we started to strip where we stood, frantically pulling at our clothing between kisses. I half kissed, half dragged her to the nearby bed and I pushed her onto it, falling together with her. A momentary pause for the necessary, and we were madly thrusting together, ragged breaths and sighs. Deep groans from me, higher pitched squeals from her. Her hair was flouncing wildly, her face contorted into anguish of the most enjoyable time. She must have seen the same on my face. In a few minutes, it was over. I opened my eyes to see her smiling back at me, dewy perspiration on her brow. I finally spoke. "I'm Birdboy. It's nice to meet you." We laughed at the sudden formality, and that was what truly broke the ice for us. I came back, to my new redheaded friend, a few times over the next few months. We came to get to know each other after a fashion. And I saw that after the surface, the superficial, had been forgotten and she no longer reminded me of Red, she showed flashes of my long lost friend. They had the same quick temper, blowing hot and passing as quickly as a summer storm. They had the same lust and passion for life. They even had a few of the same interests. She came to remind me more and more of Red until I realized it was Carine I now thought of, not Red. The foolish and superficial out there think that this hobby is just about sex. Sure, that is there. And there is companionship, a momentary respite from a lonely existence. But sometimes there's more. Sometimes what you get are not just services, not just anonymous arms holding you briefly. Sometimes what those dollars buy you is a chance to again be that young man I once was, full of hope and innocence. A chance to relive the past, only better. And sometimes, just sometimes, those dreams and fantasies can come true the second time around.

If you contact a lady and don't get a response, do you try other methods of communication to connect with her? The reason I ask is today I was alerted that I missed responding to a PM and I hate to leave a guest waiting for a reply. If I do not want to see someone I still send a "No Thankyou"; no reply isn't acceptable to me. It got me to wondering what the gentlemen out there do when they initiate contact and don't hear anything back? cat P.S. I wanted to make this a poll but couldn't figure it out...

I state clearly in all of my advertisements that I prefer a text or an email. It is there in black and white. If you send a PM I may eventually get to it and I may even respond to what I perceive as a rude PM (you may not like the answer however). It all comes down to the fact that the majority of the ladies will indicate their preferred method of contact. Unfortunately, not all hobbiest seem to be able to comply. Not sure why that is...lack of attention (not able to read to the end of the ad), inflated ego (perhaps we will make an exception just for you), drug or alcohol induced bravado (eventhough we say we are only avail until 10pm we will make an exception for you), or just plain ignorance. Sorry, we don't mean to be difficult but we too have lives. We advertise our availability and our preferred methods of contact in order to accomodate reasonable requests. It's a two way street where respect should be given and received. Forget the stereotypical depiction of a prostitute cause you won't find it here. We are individuals with a REAL life and deserve to be respected! Sorry...a further comment...I always reply promptly...unfortunately, alot of gents leave a hanging tchad!

you needn't beg... Cerb is not a review board - it is a recommendation board.

SORRY LADIES - WE ARE FULL!!! If you want to go on the waiting list to wait and see if some cancel, let me know. Okay, Gents - to those of you who sent me pms asking me to hold your spot, you have until Thursday, Nov. 24th to contact me to pay for your ticket, otherwise it will then become first, come, first served we only have 3 tickets left for the gents. In other words, don't delay. Respectfully yours, Angela :vf: and Old Dog :chug:

I just use roamingguy for all my passwords :p Posted via Mobile Device Additional Comments: *oh oops was that my outside voice* Posted via Mobile Device

True.... I ate magic mushrooms in California ..:)

Just saw this fine young lady today and I must say I walked a way very satisfied with services offered. Treat this girl nicely and politely and you will collect the benefits. This girl is a real sweetheart and in my dreams, a grils like this is my perfect little GF. Sweet and nice to me when I walk in the door and willing to please and be pleased in the sheets :) Om top of this she has a stunning spinner type body that was driving me insane as I was feeling it close to me. I mean wow what a tight/rock solid body. Also as I walked in the door I was introduced to her good friend Sydney, comming soon to cerb I believe. From what I could determine she is just as sweet though I can't attest for her skills her appearance was quite appealing as well. I was told duos are available with both of them...did I already mention dream GF? Wow... Saddly I only spent 30 minutes with her as my schedule would have it. I will be repeating for sure and, gents, treat this one NICELY please!! We will all benefit from it in the short and hopefully longer term. Take care gents, and take care Julia hope I can see you again soon! Dermman services experienced lfk, incall, gfe, bbbj, daty, digits, 69, mpos, spinner, non rush, ymmv Posted via Mobile Device

Judging from your avatar I'm going to say true LOL...maybe the cat was an influence True or False I tried marijuana once RG

15 MORE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who can't smile about that????

The people who work on Wall Street aren't their target audience; the idea is to signal the population as a whole that "something is very wrong with this country". Wall Street is just a symbolic location. If things change, it's because the population will become aware and active. (I was going to say "aroused" and then thought about where I was posting! :) ) Any time people are agitated enough to give up their comfort and occupy public spaces on this scale, there's a serious social issue at hand. The political class should be taking this expression of public discontent seriously. That's the way change could conceivably happen. But just conceivably. We'll see.

Hi MtureLee.... I will answer for Angela... and the answer is a polite no. We have to be discrete and part of that discretion is to only reveal the whereabouts of the party to those members who have paid for their ticket and will be attending, and to those providers who have committed to coming. We aren't trying to be difficult or mysterious, we are in fact trying to protect everyone from prying eyes and to ensure that those who have contributed are the ones that will be able to attend. I am sure that you understand we want to be an inclusive bunch but we also have to make sure that you can't just "show up" without buying a ticket - that wouldn't be fair to those who have!!!

Thanks...makes you wonder why people would risk the bbbj with a stranger.

Ahhhh, Penelope.... As I posted previously, your post here prompted me to do the same thing as you... last night I celebrated 2 months of sobriety... My intention here is NOT to hijack the thread - this one's all about you.... but I did want to say that not only did your courage get YOU to start living the life you were meant to live, it also helped me and, I am sure, others. Know that you are not alone.... yes, the "rooms"are full of people who can (and will) support you... but there are also countless people here who are there for you when you need it. Be well, and thanks for my sobriety!

If you aren't soliciting, or providing illegal services, or allowing SP activity in your spa... then why the need to hide? CERB is not considered a public space by the way. You have to join the community and its topic specific.

You have to consider the chart is based on proper and correct use of condoms. It would not be in best interest of people to imply that using a condom is just as risky as using one. Because that would be misleading. And in the chart for protected FS, it does specifically say that syphillis and HSV are considered LR (Low risk) not NR (No risk). Also each risk level is explained. So if it is a documented fact that someone giving a bbbj has gotten syphillis (mainly because that is the only sexual contact they had with an infected partner,) that qualifies as high risk. I think the main point with these sorts of charts and info, is that they are based on facts (documented cases of infections) and based on transmission facts (as in the activity that led to the infection), not assumptions. As the ones at primary risk, it is best when the sps are fully informed, making their choices based on the real risks rather than brushing them off as insignificant, or worse, not actually posing any threats to their health. Choosing not to do bbbjs, for example, means choosing not to expose oneself to the obvious dangers, including being out of commission during treatment for the eventual std.

There are two fee systems with massage. One is all inclusive. The rate will be roughly 150-180/hour. You will likely be expected to pay the rate upfront and you should not expect negotiations or requests for extra money throughout the encounter. This is the system that I use and I prefer it because I find negotiating money during an encounter really breaks the mood. The other system is the "door fee + tips" system. The door fee generally about $60/hour goes to the parlour/club, and then you "tip" the massage provider, generally based on what services you want. For example, one spa I applied to work at (but never did) charged $40 for a clothed release, $60 for a topless release, $80 for a nude release, and $100 for a nude release with body slides. The tip could also be one set amount for her time. It's very important that if you go to a door fee + tip place that you tip appropriately, because the woman giving you a massage is probably expecting to be paid by you directly, and not the club/parlour. These are just some very general guidelines. When you pick which independent provider or establishment you would like to visit, you should clarify with them directly exactly how fees work. Ottawa has a great massage scene. Welcome and enjoy!

Just to the left of the reputation bar you'll see the # of your post. For example the post you just made is #803 in this thread. Just click on that # and it'll open up a seperate page with just that post. Just cut and paste that link from your browser into your message. Like so: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=287198&postcount=803

Some guys told me they tell to wife or gf that they are going to take a beer at a bar or they work overtime. Some other told me they wait for the wife or gf to be asleep at night and sneak out the door to meet people or to see a sex provider. I know one guy he tells her he is going for a short trip out of town for few days. He leaves with a suitcase to go to his friend's place (when the friend is not there) or hotel still in the same city where he lives with her and he sees a friend or a provider many times for 2 or 3 days. I guess these are pretty good excuses or tricks.

Yes passionflower could help, but also Camomile, valerian, hops, kava or lemon balm in capsule or tea infusion. You can also look for a complete formula in capsule or tea mixed with many different herbs in that purpose at the health store. It is not recommended to take some of these herbs if you have liver, prostate issue or are taking drugs that affect the liver or prostate. Some men drink beer or alcool before they go to bed. It is said to be helpful. It's not recommended to combine herbs and alcool together.

Angel although we've never met you are very brave for letting everyone know such a personal issue and pouring your heart out. Of course everyone supports you and will welcome you at any time I'm sure. Good luck to you in your journey. Sent from my LG-E720b using Tapatalk

Sincerely straight or bi in 2011 there shouldn't be any tabou, humiliation or shame with the men who likes to receive strap on or prostate massage. I offered this service many times and many men who enjoy it find it normal, natural and very pleasurable. We live in a free world.

I think this thread is good. Good because of the relations that was started between choices of a woman and her body and how it relates to the sex industry. Personally, I will do whatever I want to my body, in turn do whatever you wish with yours. No, I would not have an abortion, I believe in taking responsibilities for my actions. I will say that, being in this industry, girls get very personal and share very personal information, because, we know and understand each other more so than someone who is not in this industry. I have never herd of a woman getting pregnant with a clients baby. I also know many girls that are not in the industry that are complete flat out sluts, that will have sex with many men, protection or not. From my experience, These woman have a much higher rate for abortions. I hear time and again that they were drunk..and..blah blah blah. Then running to the clinic for an abortion a few weeks later. But really, how many times can you get drunk, get pregnant, get an abortion before you realize you need an IUD, that is given free, at the abortion clinic. Woman should really learn to close their legs. I don t think abortions should be confidential-if they are. There should be like a one time only abort-o-clinic. Woman that have multi partners without protection, the sluts..have a lot more to worry about than getting pregnant. I have slept with 5 men in my lifetime. I didn t use protection for every man and I contracted Chlamydia, then gave it to my fiance. I am lucky because medication cleared up my sloppy-sex-disease with two weeks of meds. What if i contracted HIV or herpes or gonorrhea or warts or something like that? Pregnant? Nah, that s the last thing I would be worried about. Additional Comments: Megan, I NEVER would insinuate something like you claim. You should respect my decisions I make with my body. I didn t say any holy-ring about sexual partners. I was stating that I slept with 5 men, and didn t protect myself and contracted a disease..that easy. I hardly doubt bragging about getting a disease is holy-ring about anything. 1 in 5, that s all it took to get a disease. So the last thing I am worried about is getting pregnant, more worried about getting a disease considering I slept with 5 men.(that s a 20% chance) It took me 1000 times to have unprotected sex to get pregnant. I am being honest here. It doesn t matter what anyone else does with their body and no one should care how little or many partners ive had. Not to mention, because you totally read my post wrong, you dropped my reputation points from 27 to 9. that s a tad bit uncalled for, Maybe if I had said something like I ONLY slept with..geesh.. this is my body and I am pro-choice to do whatever you want with yours, don t judge me about my decisions, I thought this post was all about respecting one s decisions and thoughts on them..not for you to "not like" my thoughts, heck, you asked for them..NOT COOL

Dave Elms was arrested recently on charges unrelated to his website, and this merited a mention in the front section of the New York Times on Tuesday, by Matt Richtel. When I started years ago, the woman who ran the agency asked me if if I?d heard of TER. I hadn?t. I kept to myself, did my own thing, and found my clients through other means. But while pseudo-documentaries still focus on the street walker, sex work moved online years ago, and sites like TER dominate. According to Quantcast, TER gets between 800,000 and one million unique visitors per month, and about 13 million hits per month. As time went on and I connected with other women, I started to hear the stories, about how agencies paid Elms to inflate the reviews of their lady-merchandise. I?d heard that some agencies were shut out by Elms while others were favored, among them NY Confidential, which was busted in 2004 to subsequently unleash the exceptionally sleazy and excessively vocal Jason Itzler upon our media outlets, a man who likes to call himself ?the king of all pimps,? because he?s a moron. It?s counterproductive to take bribes to alter reviews, given that the supposed intention of a site like TER is to give johns at least the illusion of objectivity, but then TER is no Zagat?s. Maybe integrity isn?t such a priority. Then I started to hear about the extortion. Women who had earned legitimately favorable reviews, and had grown dependent upon TER for their livelihood, were being contacted by Elms directly. He wanted money from them too. And he wanted money not to alter those reviews but to simply keep them up. When those escorts didn?t comply with his demands, Elms removed their reviews until they did comply. I?d heard that clients who posted legitimate reviews about these non-compliant escorts were having the reviews rejected or removed. When clients complained, they were banned from the site. I?d also heard that some women were told that they needed to meet with Elms directly if they wanted to keep their reviews up. And those who did meet with Elms were forced to perform sex acts, either by coercion or by threats of violence. The house in Hawthorne, Calif., where Mr. Elms lives is modest, with a well-kept yard. The only unusual signs are a surveillance camera over the porch and the late-model Mercedes sports car parked out front with the vanity license plate ?Will She.? And then I?d heard that women were being raped, blackmailed, and assaulted not just by Elms, but by other employees of his site as well. It was becoming clear to me that TER wasn?t a review site at all, but a means for Elms to freely extort money and sex acts. And if women resisted, there was always the threat of violence. [T]he police were called to a hotel where they found him with 3.8 grams of cocaine and a loaded semi-automatic weapon. A prostitute was there and said Mr. Elms had forced her to perform oral sex at gunpoint, but there was not enough evidence to press charges on that accusation. This is unacceptable. I?d venture Elms and Itzler suffer from the same feelings of sexual inadequacy, what with Itzler?s pimp-king sobriquet and Elms? coke-addled cock, a cock so ineffectual that it requires persistent coercion and the threat of death to become even remotely compelling. * It?s time these women have some form of real recourse. ___________________ Follow-up: Through a trackback, I found this post at a blog called Feminist Law Professors. Referring to the last paragraph from the NYTimes piece, regarding the woman who was forced to perform a sex act at gunpoint, she writes, And the reason there was ?not enough evidence to press charges,? it goes unsaid, is that the testimony of ?the prostitute? about her sexual assault is considered inadequate and unreliable, despite the incontrovertible presence of a gun. Filed under: pressing thoughts | 11 Comments 11 Responses to ?dave elms.? Feed for this Entry Trackback Address 1 Bobolink on Jun 19th, 2008 said: As you probably know, prostitution is legal in Canada albeit with a great many restrictions. One of the consequences of this legality is that women can file criminal charges against such persons and/or civil suits for damages. 2 badinfluencegirl on Jun 19th, 2008 said: bobo i thought it was legal to SELL sex but not legal to BUY it or something like that? 3 Bree on Jun 19th, 2008 said: Alas, we do not live in Canada. What can be done? As long as men and women continue to patronize and promote TER, either by paying for subscriptions, submitting reviews, or using it as a marketing tool, it will continue to wield the power that it does. As of this morning, the message boards over there had been pruned of the few mentions made of the NYT article. But the comments were telling. There was no outrage. There was no ?Gee, maybe we shouldn?t be lining the pockets of a freebasing rapist.?. Instead, there were statements dismissing the NYT?s journalistic mettle. There is an undeniably ugly side to this business, consisting of men who are misogynists to the core and don?t see prostitutes as human beings. I?m all in favor of decriminalization, but the seamier aspects of the business of prostitution are too often glossed over by activists. This troubles me greatly. 4 sandi on Jun 19th, 2008 said: I?d love to see it legalized to limit this kind of seclusion and victimization of women. This bothers me greatly that this can happen to women. 5 Bobolink on Jun 20th, 2008 said: Badinfluencegirl, I think you are confusing Canadian law with Swedish law where it is, illegal to be a john. Prostitutes operate openly, but discretely, in Canada which is sufficient to satisfy the ?communicating for the purposes of prostitution? section of our law. 6 Disconnected on Jun 20th, 2008 said: Don?t know about Canadian law, but Bobolink is correct ? in Sweden it?s illegal to buy but not to sell sexual services. However, before anyone draws conclusions or anything else, any sex work, including exotic dancing, is immensely stigmatized in Sweden. 7 chicagodiva on Jun 23rd, 2008 said: Dave Elms is getting everything he deserves. He developed a site for reveiwing the providers that started out cute and entertaining at first and turned into a huge opportunity to treat women like trash. I had several reviews up on TER and almost all of them where great. I had several clients tell me that they had submitted reviews to TER only to find out that they had been changed or totally erased. On many occassions I would post on the TER board to solicite new clients and would have negative post placed under it each and every time. One client tried to stick up for me and was banned and then TER accused us of self posting. I had no clue who this cleint was but negative rumors where spread that all the clients where comments from me. In addition all my reviews where removed from the site. I for one am sick of this site and the negative publicity it gives to providers for standing up for themselves. In addition, its even more sick and disgusting to know that this man has extorted sex from women to stay on the board. The other part is that women in the business need to stop letting guys like this gain so much power that we don?t control our own bodies and destinies. I feel men should not rely on this site for reviews and expectations for service, because many of the girls that have good reviews only have them because they have given away free sex to clients or the owners of TER. Please stop giving TER the power to control you business 8 Diana of Calgary on Jul 20th, 2008 said: Bobolink, the prostitution laws in Canada were once described as ?bizarre? by a judge. It is not illegal to be a prostitute, but it is difficult to engage in a commercial sex business without breaking one of the prostitution laws. The prohibitions include: 1) soliciting for the purpose of prostitution in a public place, 2) keeping a common bawdy-house (aka brothel), 3) living off the ?avails? of prostitution, and 4) procuring. These laws were originally drafted to give law enforcement the means to control street prostitution, pimping, and the operation of prostitution rings by organized crime. However, law enforcement can and do use these laws to charge escorts and escort agencies. In Canada, independent escorts can (and do) avoid the solicitation charge by only discussing and conducting sexual commerce in private (a residence, hotel room, by telephone or by email). Escort agencies run a greater risk of being charged and convicted with living off the ?avails? if it is proved that their escorts are engaging in prostitution and they are collecting fees from prostitution activities. Agencies are also vulnerable to the procuring charge which is heavily sanctioned if underage escorts are employed. An independent escort can live off her earnings without fear of the ?avails? charge. Link: http://debauchette.com/2008/06/dave-elms/

Why would you want to do it for free, you have no guaranty that they will post! What if they post something that you do not do? Then you reputation will be shot as the next client will be disappointed and post something bad about you the following week!