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I have never seen a provider post here wondering how much clients make based on their reviews or hobbying habits. There are some things that are not appropriate. This would be one of them.

But you are prying. For someone who has only been seeing providers for such a short period of time, you are certainly making assumptions, and based on your previous posts you have a history of crossing boundaries. Perhaps you should be reflecting on that and not spending so much time analyzing providers.

The simple answer is, Yes, it's worth it, or it can be worth it. I'm glad that you appreciate Cat's wisdom. She knows what she's talking about. One of the things she says is that "little girls don't say they want to be prostitutes when they grow up." Most women who enter the sex trade do so because something has gone wrong in their lives and they have a sudden, very urgent need to make a considerable amount of money very quickly. It could be that a relationship has ended and they need to pay a lawyer to help them continue to have custody of their children. It could be that someone has tricked them, stolen from them or harmed them in some way. It could be that someone else in their life has become ill suddenly or needs help, support, shelter.... And yes, sometimes the woman has acquired a considerable debt whether through her own mistakes or because she trusted someone else too much. There are many, many reasons. Most of these same women leave the business within about six months. Few stay for more than a year. In my own, rarely-humble opinion, a lot of those who work longer would be better off doing something else because most women are just not equipped, emotionally or psychologically, to be on close, intimate terms with many men in a month, a year or a lifetime. That they need to make this choice always costs them something that may be hard to identify at first, but it's there. Anyone who has to spend a lot of time being suspicious of other people, questioning every motive and accepting that the majority of the people she meets are engaging with her solely out of self-interest while doing their best not to be honest with her, is also going to learn not to be very trusting of anyone. Anyone who has to have a secret life carries an enormous vulnerability, too, and no matter how well-disguised that vulnerability may be, it is never divorced from realistic fear. But the women who get what they need out of our line of work and then either quit working because they can afford to do something else, or continue working because they've found a way to position themselves and build the kind of business they can honestly enjoy--for them, this is a worthwhile profession. There's a lot to be said for having the opportunity to meet a wide variety of people and to know them at a deep level. To be present to another's weaknesses, sensitivities and vulnerabilities is an honour. To have others' confidence and trust is a fine, fine thing. Most of us are kind, empathetic women who enjoy taking care of others and who find satisfaction in feeling that we've made a positive contribution to someone else, even for an hour or two. These intangible things are hard to find in any line of work. So, there's the satisfaction that comes from having survived, from having achieved something very important and from having contact with other human beings who are as messed-up and flawed as we are and who are also worthwhile, funny and engaging creatures.

Is it worth it? Now there is worthy topic, not the mindless chit chat that normally comes up! Unfortunately, we providers have our hands tied when it comes to discussing this on public boards as it erodes the fantasy that we sell to make a living. A smart provider realizes that honest answers to this question could be professional suicide so we tow the expected party line of us all being insatiable nymphos that just can't get enough. There is no blanket answer that will cover every provider, each woman would have to weigh in with her perspective individually and we are a private bunch. TMI will kill the mood, it's like a married couple discussing credit card debt before going bed. This industry is the extreme on both the good and the bad. Is it worth it financially? For me, I would say that I make it "worth it" because I am unemployable in any other field that would allow me to support my family. Providers are an amazingly resilient bunch and we will always find a way where there isn't one. This can be very gratifying trade but the financial rewards for providers isn't anywhere near what is needed to ensure long term financial stability. The bad is unacceptable in polite conversation and best kept amongst ourselves or else we come across as complaining bitches which certainly doesn't help put food on the table. Would I recommend anyone get started in it? No, not if there were any other options because it takes a rare and special breed to survive and thrive in this trade and those that are not forged of the right steel end up rotting from the inside out and crumble eventually. While you may have real questions that burn for answers, remember that every word we write on here is read by clients and potential clients. CERB is primarily an advertising medium, we sell a service that is convenient fantasy and clients read our posts to decide if we are someone they would like to spend their hard earned money with. Offering up honest answers about certain subjects is often not a good business move as it will not change the status quo and could potentially harm our income... cat

With all due respect if I may give some advice, stop while you're ahead. You were doing pretty well after your apology. In this latest post, I see a couple or three things where you are projecting your ideas about someone else's reality. This can all be quite simple. Check around and find someone that interests you. Make contact and arrange a rendezvous. If you are lucky and respectful, you'all will get naked, wonderful things will occur, and you will leave with a great big smile. It is possible to over-think the process. As I said at the beginning, this is written with all due respect from the viewpoint of someone who has been too many places, done too many things, and owns an extensive collection of the t-shirts. :) Enjoy and happy pooning!

I don't want to jump on the bandwagon MC, but being a person who never likes to discuss my salary with ANYONE, if someone asked me this question I wouldn't like it. Unless you're in a union or the type of business where you know what a person makes based on their title or position in a company it isn't a question you should ask. You say you're a computer programmer, have you asked all your co-workers their take home pay? That you're new (as am I) and curious is totally understandable but this isn't something you should be learning now or here.

Yup !! Absolutely agreed. I wish all of you ladies were rich :) not my / our business however.....

That's what I was getting at, in a round-about way. You don't have to be a "good" writer (whatever that means) to write a worthwhile review. Nobody's judging them on literary merit. Well, fair enough... but really, what does it matter? We're all adults here, and we're all here for the same reason. We all have our own preferences and peccadilloes, but we make a point of not judging these things provided everyone involved is a consenting adult. Some of us see more ladies than others, sure, but I don't think anyone thinks any less of anyone else because they see many SPs or just one, or do so daily or once in a blue moon. Or at least, if they do, I'd hope they'd be sensible enough to STFU about it :) To some extent it's inevitable: this is an online forum, and in any online forum there will always be far more lurkers than contributors. But it's awesome whenever people do come out and post recos, whether it's the first or the hundredth, for either the poster or the lady being recommended. Which brings me back to the first point: it doesn't matter what or how much you write... just that you write something!

Darling mister_crufty, You are apology is appreciated, it shows character. The ladies were bang on clear in their answers and as I read your initial post before anyone responded; I knew how it was going to roll out. You are not the first newbie to make this mistake and you certainly won't be the last. Those of us who have been around awhile have watched the newbie phenomena before and we'll see it again. We understand it's easy to get excited (especially when pretty girls are involved) and want to learn all that you can when the wheels in your mind are spinning. CERB has a wealth of information just waiting to be soaked up and it's more important for newbies to read in the beginning than it is to ask questions. I haven't seen a new industry related thread topic in years; I would be genuinely surprised if one came up. Every appropriate topic has been discussed at length at some point and is in the archives here somewhere. Newbies would be wise to spend a couple of months perusing and watching a boards dynamic before they decide to start multiple threads asking questions. I will answer your initial question because it consistently urks me when I read posts about providers "rolling in the dough, living the high life". I average $19/hr after expenses/before taxes per week. In the last 7 years I can count on one hand the number of weeks I've seen anywhere close to 10 guests in a 7 day work week and they all fell into a time when I wasn't located here in Ottawa and would return once a month for a visit. There are far to many variables in each providers life to come up with a "general" overview of the economics of our industry. I'm always amazed when I sit down with a man and he tells me what he thinks I make, his figures are so far away from my reality that I laugh out loud. I have yet to meet a person that has any real clue unless they have been a sex provider of some sort. The key here is not take the reactions in this thread personally. Understand that often people will give you an answer to a question that you don't expect and the lesson you learn from their answer is far more valuable than if they had given you the type of answers you were seeking... cat

To those guys that insist on asking if I am a cop, I want you to think about your question. If I was an undercover cop, would I tell you the truth and say Yes? If I was an undercover cop and you wanted me to kill your wife for money, if you asked me if I was a cop, would I tell you the truth? No, of course not, I would lie and say I am not a cop. Touching my breasts would only give you an assault charge if she was a cop. I think you need to realize that if you are worried that your sp is a cop, dont discuss business in public, dont pick her up on the street corner or a hotel lobby. I am not a lawyer, but my understand of the law in Canada is that if you are not soliciting in public, if everything is being conducted behind closed doors in a private place, you are ok. Not sure if others are noticing an increase in these types of questions, but I just have to shake my head. Cops lie all the time, especially those that are undercover. Just incase you are wondering, no I am not a cop, I am not an undercover police officer or any other combination. I am just a sp who works alone, will never work for an agency and trying to makie some money on something I love doing. I only advertise on CERB and will never do a call in public (ie, your car is very public), or in the washroom of your local restaurant etc... Have a great day!

The short answer is: It's none of your business how many clients a lady sees in a week/how much she makes. Period.

While I don't necessarily think there is any ill intentions here, I tend to agree with the ladies on this one. I am one of minority who shows my face, and I do consider myself to be fairly open about what I do, but of course there are boundaries. This thread reminds me of one of my all time favourite threads (and a very useful one for newbies too), about questions and subjects to avoid. The topic of income is covered there too. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97946 Some ladies are very open about what they do, and willing to answer questions and share their experiences about the industry. But there is a level of trust that goes with that. Not too many are going to just open up to a stranger (let alone online). I do think that getting out real information about what the industry is all about, and dispelling myths is a good thing for all of us, but there is a certain way to do it. Asking questions is a great way to learn about something that interests you, but rather than always jumping in head first, maybe consider that patience, time, and experience is also a good way to gain knowledge too. A lot of veteran hobbyists know a great deal about the industry, but they didn't learn it all in a couple months. Sex can make some people crazy sometimes... for better or for worse. While I personally prefer to keep things simple, I don't think that analytical thinking is always a bad thing, but sometimes it's okay to keep it to yourself... or a shrink! ;)

Perhaps this thread might be helpful (off and on the board) and a good read for those who are new to Cerb and the lifestyle? Section: New to this? Things you should know... Questions/subjects to avoid initiating with an SP http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97946

Any lady I visit doesn't ask how much I make a year,and I certainly never ask that question in person or in a open forum to ladies. There is a form of diplomacy and discretion required while participating in the service industry with ladies. Let's just stick to the basics of meeting ladies,it makes everything so much more easier for everyone involved.

There will be some that'll spend a million to buy this When they could get this for a fifth of the price Which is a lot of gym memberships and all inclusive vacations, as well as time with an escort. I doubt people would fault someone with the means to pick the more expensive one over the other. I guess my point being is that there are far more expensive discretionary spending options for an individual to choose from. Spending money on those I think wouldn't warrant a question like this imo. So in a nut shell, I don't know you so this is my guess, but maybe you don't feel bad because the experience is worth the money you spent and a lot more.

I'm going to assume that this is becoming increasingly common as management recently posted little signs all over the club (by the coat check, by the door to the CR, and by the ATM in the CR) saying that dances are $20 per song. I'm also going to assume that because of this, they will take complaints about girls overcharging very seriously, so it's definitely the avenue I'd recommend taking.

I was about to type a bunch of stuff about this ('cause it's one of my favourite subjects), but then I remembered I'd touched upon this very question before. Here, shamelessly copied and pasted to save multithreading, is what I wrote: This is a great subject. You can't really resolve it without looking at how the mind works. Every one of us has a map deep in our subconscious about who we think we are, how we think about other people, and how we think about our interactions with others. These maps get laid down while our age is in early single digits, and we can never, ever perceive them directly. They're completely beyond direct reach, yet they completely dominate how we move around the world of other human beings. One part of that map is devoted to sex, and once again it's completely beyond our ability to perceive directly. We can only get clues about it indirectly, when something we perceive or experience triggers a response. Do enough of that, and you slowly build up a sense of what makes you work sexually, like mapping the sea floor with sonar; most of it is flat, but every so often you stumble across a bump that tells you "something is here!". Thing is, that map is completely irrational. Some of it is built up automatically to guide us to reproduction, but it's also littered with whatever your single-digit mind had access to at the time. It's full of symbolic meaning that often has nothing at ALL to do with reproductive-oriented sex. There's no way to predict what might provoke a sexual response from your deep subconscious until you go exploring and stumble across what works for you. That's how you end up with sexual fetishes, or simple preoccupations. Some thing are charged with meaning; we have a growing thread here devoted to stockings (awesome!) which, objectively speaking, are just an impractical kind of legwear. Yet they trigger ideas about clinging closely to a shapely leg, of something slightly-hidden-but-visible, and of a woman's body pointedly dressed up to emphasize gender and therefore sexuality, rather than practicality. I'm always amazed by the variety of things that can symbolize sex, and provoke a sexual response, without being explicitly sexual. There are entire languages being spoken with clothing, with postures and attitudes, with dominance and submission, risky ventures, simple shared "naughtiness", Good vs. Bad, and the potency of sharing a secret desire. It's --so-- much more about the brain; the body follows afterward. See; LINK

In my experience, most independant SP in Ottawa have set prices for the amount of time. You may want to consult with the lady you have in mind if she offer bbbj,dfk and daty. Upselling is not the norm in Ottawa except for specific requests like greek, Golden Shower . I think you are most likely to see upselling for bbbj cim sw etc in agencies girl

This isn't in response to the original question, but to putting greek as a fetish. I offer anal sex; I do not offer fetishes. I've never understood why anal sex is so often lumped in with fetishes. Sexual fetishism is: sexual fixation with objects, body parts, or situations not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature A golden shower is a fetish - urinating is NOT something commonly viewed as being sexual, but some people do find it sexual - thereby, it is a fetish. Your anus is a sexual part of your body. There are pleasure centres in there, and while it's not for everyone, I truly do not believe that anal sex falls into the category of fetishes.

I'm thinking I just want to meet pretty ladies with great personalities who I enjoy spending time with, and hopefully they me...and having fun together. I have, and continue to do so. I dont even give the $ a second thought ...I hope they are all very successful. I learned early on not to ask questions you might not really want to know the answer to....and luckily figured that out before I asked any...so all good. A lot of good insight here from Cat, Samantha, Erin and others, but I always see Amelias' points as very sensible...especially in this thread.

Okey dokey .... I don't over analyse ....make your decision to see an SP .. enjoy and live with it as one of life's good decisions :) So.....MY "cost per fuck" never really thought about it and don't care My neighbor's 20 year old son just became a father Xmas day after dating a girl for just 6 months prior to her getting pregnant .......both only half way through college. and an affair between two married folks I know in their 30's resulted in a pregnancy and the husband of the pregnant wife was "fixed". It's nasty now. I wonder what their "cost per fuck" will end up to be ???

I don't think you're going to get an answer you're looking for here as most of us don't like talking about business. I'm certainly not going to discuss and analyze how many hour a week we work while someone is going to do the calculations on the internet. For what's it worth, this profession is pretty much looked down upon by mainstream society and most people think we just lay on our backs and like magic, the money appears. If it were only that easy! So what makes people think SPs are going to even go as far to answer these questions? I realize you are new here and are probably fascinated by this industry and all the lovely ladies but as in other organizations or businesses, there are some questions you do not ask.. even if it's directed at them through a community message board like this one. When people ask these things, I often wonder if they are a writer or investigative journalist? It wouldn't be the first time this sort of thing has happened in this business. "My tell it like it is" 2 cents worth...

And thank you for continuing the conversation. It's good to talk about stuff. Especially since I'm feeling an attack of verbal diarrhea coming on :) Fair enough. I appreciate that not everyone likes to discuss everything, or indeed anything. I sure as hell don't discuss everything myself :) One thing to bear in mind, though: we're all anonymous here. I doubt that your name is really Fred Smith (although I'll concede it might be :) ), and you can rest assured that I'm not known as Phaedrus outside this community. The only time we every knowingly meet other CERBites is when we choose to, and when that happens we do so on an equal footing, knowing that we have a certain amount in common. The one exception is the ladies who choose to post pics of themselves containing readily-identifiable features... but to the best of my knowledge, none of us guys do that. We're all completely unknown, except to the people we've actually met. Going back to the issue of embarrassment, however, I'm sure that there's quite a bit of this goes on with recos. It's noticeable that the younger ladies seem to get recos more frequently than older ones; spinners more than BBWs; and all get fewer recos as time goes by. And I think that some of this is down to the locker-room mentality; we guys are fine with everyone knowing we banged the really hot girl, but the older, less slim one? Not so much, even when we'd actually prefer the latter. And if you'll forgive me ranting somewhat... this annoys me. Nobody here is going to start poking fun at, or judging, anyone else here based on what they do, or who they choose to do it with. I suspect that a lot of us guys are still somewhat intimidated by the locker-room fall-out from that time when you got drunk and made out with the person who your buddies considered unattractive... but I'd like to think that we're all long past that stage, now. I'm sure we've all been there, but haven't we grown up since? Well.... this is one reason why SPs are not like wives or girlfriends :) I've always been very impressed at the extent to which SPs are happy to know that we're having fun, even if with someone else. Seriously: I've never had anyone in this industry give me a hard time because I saw someone else, or didn't see her for a while. And to be honest, if that happened, it'd be a serious dis-incentive to see the SP who was giving me a hard time ever again. We are not here for that kind of girl-friend experience, and the ladies know it! On the other hand, I've had SPs mention other people that they think I should go and see. Really, it can't be emphasized enough: no worthwhile SP will ever pull shit like this. Never. For sure. And there are doubtless others that we haven't thought of. What I'm trying to do here is just to knock down as many of those reasons as I can :) Well... I'd call it inertia, rather than laziness :) But this comes back to something I said earlier: CERB, like any other online community, has far more lurkers and consumers of information than active producers. There's nothing that can be done about this, really; it's just the way the world is. But hell, perhaps the guy who appreciated my reco of a SP is the same guy who wrote the review on the car board that I found really useful last time I needed new wheels, or posted the amusing picture of a cat which just made me smile. Who knows? We can't all be productive everywhere. There just aren't enough hours in the day. But this is why I keep repeating (and I'm about to do it again): all we need to hear is, "I saw X. and had a good time." That's all. A thousand-word essay is not required. The easier and less intimidating we can make it to write recos, the more we'll get, probably. They are indeed. Which, of course, is why we want as many as possible :) Okay. That's enough for one post. Time for a dose of verbal Immodium :)

When I started this lifestyle, writing a recommendation was difficult, only because I was raised that being intimate with a lady was private, not for public discussion. But some rules, if you will, about intimate activities in this lifestyle are different than in "civilian" life. Here, recommendations are welcomed. My first recommendations were, at least to me, awkward and uncomfortable to write. Now after a good encounter, with a lady, I enjoy writing a recommendation. No details are written. But you do know that I enjoyed the time I spent with the lady, which is the most important message to communicate. And I look at a recommendation as having a threefold purpose. First it is my way of giving a public thank you to the lady for a good escape. Second, the lady may benefit by getting a client who would now be interested in meeting her. And third, sort of the opposite side of number two, a potential client now will know of a good lady to see So if you had a good time with a lady, say so. Not only will the lady appreciate it, there will be other gentlemen who will too. And a quick two liner will do My two cents RG

The reason for paying for date (and I pay for date and sex may or may not come with it) is not only limited to lack of ability to find date or get laid. They could be many other reasons like 1-someone maybe too pre-occupied with work and life who as a result may not have time to invest in finding dates though may have good looks and the ability to do so, 2-One may hobby for variety to see different ladies of different looks and ages and races and cultures and enjoy life to the fullest. 3- Or it may be because in his middle age it may be relatively difficult to socialize with ladies half his age in early 20's and go out with them in public for romance. 4 - Or maybe in an unhappy relationship and one who needs to get what he cannot get from that relationship. 5 - To deal with dialy stress of work and life. 6 - some or all of above. There are many reasons some of which may not be a failure on hobbyist part So no reason to feel bad about hobbying.

I get this question, too, but, like Phantom, I assume it's the influence of US TV. I usually give the guy a link to a description of the laws in Canada, and let it go. Sometimes, I've said, "No, I'm not a cop. But some of my clients are." :icon_lol:

As a long time member on both boards, and on the Montreal board too, but hardly use it anymore,I lurk over there and have a different handle, the one in question. I find it amazing how guys over there and are members here (who might even been booted off here) have two different stories to tell about women and this board. I got a name for people that act in that manner "Two Faced" I use to sit back and laugh at all of the crap they were throwing this way at this board (still do, mainly it is the same culprits) and at ladies,and members of this board that post recommendation like myself, they show little lack of respect. It has been said numerous times, that "GUY #1" is NOT the same as "GUY #2" , hence the YMMV, chemistry, being a gentleman gets you a lot further in this hobby. BUT not only in this hobby but in "LIFE IN GENERAL" act like an asshole with an lady, then expect to treated like one back, and in life asshole's really can be a pain in the butt. Is there benefits having the 2 boards? MAYBE To a degree, its just too bad that some over there are not given the boot off there for their continued, lack of regard for "women" and then they jump down guys that may have something sensible to say. This topic has come up many times, about both boards, but it is amazing that it is the same characters that stirred up shit here, that do the same over there, but I'm sure they continue to seek ladies here on this board. I will laugh my ass off, when perhaps some day ALL SPs in Canada MIGHT have a reporting system as in the USA, a reference check for guys ( such as P411,Whitelist etc etc) Lets see how many of you so called gentleman get dates if that ever arises in Canada. Anyways, My Sunday morning rant, but I really don't like guys that talk from both side of their mouth. PEACE OUT!

You ask a worthy question zorobaby. These are the factors and experience that influence my decision when deciding to see a younger than 40 guest... 1. Unrealistic expectations of what the session will entail. Porn has skewed manys perceptions as to what is genuine sex and what is done strictly to feed a visual desire. For the younger set it seems to be about how many sog's they are going to get or they have a list of activities that need to be completed in order for them to feel they got their moneys worth. For me this approach is exhausting in the playroom, both mentally and physically and when they leave I often reflect that the money wasn't worth the energy spent for me. This trait is not exclusive to younger clients, just more prevalent. 2. Contact. Many younger men contact us with little to no respect shown for us as people. One line text and emails are an instant red flag as are the phone calls that start with "How much for a blow job?" without even introducing yourself. The civil niceties are seldom present and they do not have the awareness or understanding of what it takes to be a sex worker and that we are living, breathing human beings with feelings that need to be treated as such the same as everyone else. Their inherent attitudes of youth often mislable us as disposable or less than and that is unacceptable to us. 3. Money. If I had a nickle for every time I've heard "Is your pussy made of gold?" from a not yet grown man cub, I'd be rich. My prices aren't and never have been in the upper price range of this industry. I provide outstanding service and take pride and care in ensuring my guests are cared for above and beyond the industry norm but younger men don't understand the cost of doing business for us. Indulging in women is like any other hobby, it takes money and the younger they are the less saved pennies they have to spend on the intangibles unlike their older counterparts. All that said, I have some younger guests on my dance card who I absolutely adore. They are mature beyond their years and we are a good fit so it works. They contacted me with well articulated emails and engaged in an exchange with me that showed they were indeed the kind of client I enjoy. At that point, the age became a non issue. The younger providers often have personal reasons for staying away from their peers and that should be respected but most providers will make an exception if you approach them with the right attitude... cat

When it comes to restaurants, I wholeheartedly agree! I love finding the little out of the way places that no one knows about. Unfortunately, due to the laws in this country we are not allowed to have a true, down home style. I would love to have the rambling house in the country full of voluptuous vixens lounging on chaises in their lingerie where men can come and just have a good time! Somewhere that you park your car and no one driving by can see it, and everyone there forgets everyone else as soon as they leave but give knowing winks over the table when the little wives have a neighbourhood dinner party. Where the bar is always open, the pool is always cool and the girls are exactly what you need to warm up after a cold day. But alas, we can't...yet. So, we set up in respectable neighbourhoods and keep our lawns neatly manicured so we don't stand out. We open the garage door so your car fits inside and no one driving by can see it. We sit alone when there are no visitors and wait. Appointments, an inconvenient but necessary evil. Catherine

I had the pleasure of spending some time with Lola on Saturday for a massage. She is a classy and sensual lady that can make you feel comfortable immediately. Her big brown eyes will hypnotize you and her smile widens as she sees your reaction to her tender erotic massage. I can't describe how much this gorgeous French/Spanish lady is into pleasing you! Her ad said she would "make you feel like a king as it should be" and I started the session by saying I wanted to be treated like a king like her ad said. Boy did I get the royal treatment! This beauty was a masseuse for 4 years and is testing the waters regarding erotic massage. I booked a 45 min session and after half an hour, I was running to put more money in the meter (sort of speak) to extend the session. Lola has a clientele in Montreal and is currently testing the Ottawa market a few days a week. I'd love to keep this lady all to myself but quite selfishly, I want to see her fill her dance card in Ottawa as while it would be definitely worth the trip to Montreal for a repeat, I would prefer her to be closer. IF you are looking for a beautiful classy lady to give you an awesome massage that is relaxing, this is the girl....I won't even mention the slides other than to say this beauty will have you singing "la,la,la,la....la Lola" for many hours after the massage!

Well its not 6900 ....yet....hehe... but 6500 is mighty impressive! Good job on keeping up with your homework and sharing it with us all. From knowledge, experiences, and total sexiness exposed! You give CERB lots of Juice baby! :) Slurp! Roar for More Baby ;)

@MNO4,you wrote :"but some sps do this more because they have to and not really because its their first career choice". Please interview "civilians"and find out how many are in the jobs of their first choice. You just might be surprised. It is a mark of wisdom and maturity to realise that, as a certain "bad" boy sang "you can't always get what you want" and then proceed to find what you can actually do next and do it without resentment. So long as you are earning an honest living ( in the eyes of the law, and yes, escorting is a legitimate, honest job), there is no reason to feel less of a human being. Society is so full of hypocrisy. How many civilian women sleep with their bosses to gain promotions? We in Ontario were just witnesses to the ORNGE scandal. And who can forget Jeffrey Skilling of ENRON fame ( or rather INFAMY) who created a position paying 600,000 a year for his girlfriend, an amount 10 times what she was previously earning in the company? Man must survive and there is nothing wrong with surviving on honest employment.

It's interesting because I never say to myself "I don't know why I don't feel bad about being an SP". I just don't and never have. If I did, I wouldn't doing what I'm doing. So if you're hobbying and feeling bad, perhaps you shouldn't do it. If you're hobbying and you don't feel bad, then you have nothing to worry about. Enjoy!

I am very new at this at and during my upcoming trip to Ottawa I will be visiting a few SP's (and im very excited). Anyway, I've seen some girl's advertise their prices but add in parenthesis "prices may vary on demand". So I was wondering what demands would increase and decrease the price. I would like a DFK/BBBJ/Daty session since im new, so i was wondering if that would increase the price or keep it the same. Just want to make sure I come prepared with the proper donation :)

I've always been obsessed with ropes for as long as I can remember I don't try to find a reason why I like it or I would drive myself insane

Ahahaha! Thanks man. I appreciate that. No one will ever accuse me of not overthinking things or knowing when to quit while I'm ahead. I spend far too much time trying to put myself in other peoples shoes. I'm in the process of trying to make a date or two for this week. Wish me luck. Hopefully there are still some ladies left who haven't put me in their blacklist. ;-)

If you are a cop Meaghan ..... not that I would ever ask....but if I can come see you would dress like this please ?? ;)

A win-win situation so no reason to feel bad: I see both as one and same. The former, one will have to wine and dine and buy presents and likely a lot more (if living together) and the latter some cash in an envelop as a compensation for her time. I treat providers as like my dates and guests in my house and somebody's daughters with full respect and considerate for their comfort and well being while my guests just like I do for any date. The end result is happiness and good time in life. It is a win-win situation as most cases providers will use up the donation to better their lives or get education or provide for families and we get good time in return. No reason to feel bad at all as long as (and this is the key point) the provider is in this by her own choice or don't use the money on drugs or wastes.

Fair comment, I will say like some ladies don't like to be reviewed/reco'd some guys don't like to write them, for different reasons. There are some very eloquent writers out there and I think it intimidates some guys because they don't think they are very good writers. But more so I think, and I could be wrong, some of us just don't like to have others know our "business", we'd like to see ladies but not advertise when or who we see. True it isn't fair to read and benefit from reco's and not write them but I confess I don't usually write them. Maybe to be fair I and others should think about contributing from time to time.

Well, I'm sure that's the public line, anyway... Yep. Any financial compensation is purely for her time, with no promise of any sexual encounter. Anything of a sexual nature that might happen is between two consenting adults, nothing more. Hang on, haven't I read things like that before somewhere...? I'd prefer not. I think we'd all rather avoid the paparazzi at CERB socials :)

You're also missing a key factor in your economics. It's like sports stars. Their career is shorter than the regular person. A $60 grand (by your calculations) a year job might sound like a good haul to you , but consider you have to retire much younger. Also, I could be wrong but 10 clients per week EVERY week is probably pushing it. Some weeks might be higher but summer weeks are usually low due to family vacations if I recall being mentioned before, so some of those weeks would probably make the average lower.

Nice! Read that in Austin Powers voice. I agree though. Right now I'm running at a pretty hot burn rate because it's so new but economics are going to force a slow down soon. Hopefully I'll get the initial rush out of my system and settle down. Additional Comments: Ooh. Good point. I've been sticking to the Ottawa boards without exploring the rest of the site. Sorry if I've been hijacking the forum.

Well... Since the question was asked and I'll be visiting soon, I thought I should answer your question... Me me me lol ;) G xox

What follows is a strange tale, one of love, redemption, growth and healing. It's the story of what happens when you fall in love with an escort, perhaps the most forbidden love of all. It's a long story which has not been completely written yet but I provide it in hopes that others will not make the mistakes I have made. My first. I saw her here, read her reviews. She sounded wonderful. A warm and understanding woman who would make me feel like a man again, something I had not felt in a long time. Lets call her L so as not to embarrass her. I went to see her, not because I wanted to, but because I felt I had to. My marriage is pretty good in most ways but the lack of sex was killing me. Destroying my self confidence, making me doubt my self worth. I love my wife and want nothing more than to have a physical relationship with her but for 6 years or more, nothing I did seemed to make any difference. I've never been confident in my sexuality. I always thought I didn't have much to offer a woman in that way. I'm tall and fit and I'm told I'm handsome but in the bedroom, I always felt that I fell short. That and the fact that I put sex on a pedestal. Sex was important. Sex had meaning. Sex was not for fun, sex was for relationships and having sex with a woman meant you were with her now and you had to do everything in your power to make something more out of it. I've never cheated on a partner. In spite of having been with some jealous women who would accuse and suspect me, I've been faithful. Sure, I look when I see a beautiful lady pass by but I never stray. So what happens when you take a man with low self-esteem, commitment hangups, guilt, performance anxiety, a tendency to overthink everything and not a little OCD, and put him with a woman who rocks his world? Who pleases him and lets him please her. Who pulls the best out of him, a performance he never knew he was capable of? Maybe it's just a job for her, a script, an act that is designed to make him feel that way. But it doesn't feel that way. See, it wasn't just the sex. I connected with her. I felt a huge amount of chemistry. I liked her style, her personality. Her kindness and generosity. I liked everything about her. This is where it went wrong. Guilt, desire, conflicting emotions of lust and self-loathing set in. Is it wrong? It feels right. What does it mean to me? What am I doing with my life? I'm a ball of stress. I can't sleep. I email her, and text her. She's so nice to me, responding to my craziness. Perhaps I would have been better off if she had shut me down right away but I believe she is truly a wonderful person and tried to help me as best she could. Deep down, I knew that I was going off the rails. I've only known her for an hour and a few emails and phone calls. This obsession can't be healthy I thought. I should go see someone else. So I did. And it sucked. I mean, it was sex and all but there was no connection of our personalities. I didn't like or care about her. It was mechanical and I couldn't perform to the level that I had learned I was capable of. I felt terrible. A failure as a man once again. Don't get me wrong though. She's a very nice lady who was very professional and good at her job. We just didn't connect. So I went to see L again. She had mentioned she hadn't eaten so this time I brought flowers and some nice bagels to share. And again, it was a wonderful session but afterwards, I got the feeling that she wanted me gone. Maybe she was starting to worry about my attachment. Maybe I was starting to creep her out. So I left her to eat the food I had brought and went back to my growing obsession. But here's where it gets strange. I've always had a lot of female friends. I love talking to women and hanging out with them and suddenly, I stopped thinking about L as an object of sexual desire and more like a little sister. Someone I wanted to help move a sofa or fix her computer. That's it, I swore, I was done with providers. It's not right for me to pay these nice ladies to have sex with me. I wanted to be friends with L, transition from an SP-client relationship to a normal friendship. She was so cool, I just wanted to hang out with her. She rode a motorcycle like me. We had similar tastes in food and entertainment. We both love animals. So I asked her to go for lunch with me some time, to explore it. I'd even pay her social rate. No response. She was still corresponding with me but every time I brought up the subject of meeting in real life, ignored. Eventually, all my emails started dropping into a black hole. I know now that this is a huge no-no. It never happens. Providers don't want to be your friend. Even mentioning is a huge red flag. And I understand why. Guys are creepy and scary. Not all of us but enough of us. And some of us want to try to be your boyfriend. Your pimp. Take advantage. Get some for free. It's ugly and sad but there are a lot of predators out there and women need to use all their senses to protect themselves. Fast-forward to me finally flip-flopping on seeing providers yet again. "Why am I so afraid of this?", I asked myself. I hadn't slept in two weeks. I was a wreck. I need to understand what this is and what it all means to me. So I went to see someone else. I'm going to mention her name here because I think she might have saved my life and put me on the right track. She is, the lovely, the beautiful, the awesome Miss Cleocatra. She's gorgeous but that's not why I chose her. She struck me as smart, professional, savvy, someone who might be able to help figure out why I was so conflicted. We had a great session. It was fun and I think I did alright. Certainly I had a good time and I didn't feel ashamed of myself so that's something right? We didn't have that raw chemistry though. I liked her a lot. She's great fun and easy to talk to but it wasn't love at first sight or anything weird like that. She's wise though. And clever. I really wanted to learn more about her and the industry so I asked if I could book a social hour to ask her a bunch of questions about herself and other things. I suppose I should have just watched her youtube interview but I didn't know about that. ;-) She turned me down. She was polite but firm and wasn't interested in being interviewed or analyzed or talking about her business. We bounced a couple emails back and forth but what came out of it was one fundamental question that I think might change my life. "Why can't I stop over-thinking everything and just enjoy myself? Sex can just be for fun too." Wow. What a revelation. I'm sure it's obvious for most of you here but for a small town guy of conservative religious background with self-esteem issues, it's like a bolt from the blue. Suddenly it all made sense. Why I was clingy and needy. Why girls always dumped me. Why I sucked at relationships. This year has been different. I've started doing things away from my wife. Going to the gym, snowboarding. Doing the things I like to do instead of following her around everywhere. Taking care of myself and my appearance. Maybe she'll be more attracted to me as a strong independent man, maybe she won't. But it doesn't really matter anymore. This is for me. And I feel great. I feel confident and complete and whole in myself. And I owe it to some of the ladies on this site. So what about L? I feel terrible about how this went. Perhaps it meant nothing to her, perhaps I was just another clingy guy that she had to block emails from. Business as usual. But I'm not sure. I'm a good judge of people and I really don't think that what I felt was just because of my situation. I genuinely like her and I don't like a lot of people in this world. I feel like we could truly be friends but I accept that it will never happen. I really wish her the best and I'm so grateful that she helped me through this difficult journey. So maybe some day I'll be out riding and see a cute girl riding by on her sport bike. And I'll give her a wave. And maybe, just maybe, she'll wave back.

I love all those foods, but asparagus and garlic change your taste and make it much... stronger, heh. I think I'll stick to the other ones. Especially oysters! Yum!

People who say WTF.

I'm a pretty tolerant person when it comes to questions because I really do believe some guys just don't know any better, so I usually choose to change the topic or reply with some witty answer. Having said that, the questions that bug me the most are: 1. How many guys did you see today/this week? 2. How much money do you pull in, in a day? 3. Would you give me a discount because I plan on becoming a regular (We've never met yet and I have not even agreed to an appointment yet). 4. Can I just slip it in for a minute. I'm clean. 5. I have a case of beer and some doobies. If you're not busy, do you want to come by and just chill? I think Cat's list was pretty all-encompassing.

We could bid, like an auction! "I'll bid 250 for that 1pm slot. Oh, you'll do 275? Okay, I'm in for 300....anyone else? 3 minutes left before bidding is closed...anyone? 310 anywhere?"