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It sounds like this topic has been debated before, but that must have been a while ago, because I do not remember it, so I assume other new members don't either. Thence, I will insert my own ideas on the subject, since I am an active participant on some of the photo threads. It also seems there is two completely different things people are talking about here. One is picture threads of mostly public models (Nice Bums, Redheads, Beautiful Lingerie, I Love Boobies, etc). And the second is specific SP service recommendations. (Best BJ, etc). As someone who appreciates beauty in others, I very much enjoy the picture threads. I have contributed to them, and I enjoy looking at beautiful pictures of lovely women. If you look through them, there is a wide variety of pictures posted, and I even notice that some members go out of their way to post unique pictures that aren't you're daily run of the mill "model type". Some larger women, different ethnicities, average housewives, and all sorts of others etc. I encourage others to also contribute more unique and different pictures. Those photo threads can be used to our advantage too. The new Hot Guys thread is a good comparison. Which members do we like better... the ones who participate, have fun with it, and can appreciate a handsome man... (or even just ignore it, if they don't care for looking at dudes)... or the ones who sit back with their arms crossed, feeling ugly and fat, and text me commenting how I shouldn't make my clients feel inadequate by posting good looking men? Aww poor baby. I'll take the first, thanks. Second, CERB's entire existence is based on recommendations of women who are selling themselves. It's not just some random social networking site. If you decide to put yourself out there, then accept that people are judging you and comparing you to other ladies. It doesn't mean that one is necessarily better than the other, but it IS a marketplace. And most of the things that people judge us on, actually are within our control anyways. When you put yourself in the public eye (and yes, this is public), there are certain things that should be expected, IMO. Considering that there are many places on the internet with rampant negativity, I don't see how recognizing people for their beauty and talents could ever be a bad thing. There are several legit reasons why someone might not be on a random "Best BJ's" list. Maybe they are low-volume or just low-key in general, or they don't openly advertise BBBJ. It's possible that their BJ is just not that memorable. But maybe they are a fucking amazing kisser with the most beautiful softest skin and most hilarious jokes and sense of humour. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. I might be listed on a "Best BJ's" thread, but I will never in a million years be mentioned on a "Best Abs" thread. I'm okay with that. My ex-bf used to nit pick everything I said about other people. Just for an example... One day I'd point out that a friend of ours had a really nice shirt on. My BF would say, "What, you don't like MY shirt choice?". WTF. It drove me crazy, and I found it to show both his insecurities and jealousy. Just because I pointed out positive things about other people, didn't mean he was any less. As for the semantics, I agree that sometimes a few words here and there can indeed make a big difference. But I find it a bit silly that one would be satisfied if the title was "Recommendations for Great Oral" instead of "Best BJ". Men are simple. And that's how I like them. Makes my job easier. :) For the record, I do think cristy had only good intentions in starting this thread.

I don't know how many times threads went sour because someone used the wrong word or the politically incorrect word/expression for something. In this case, I think people are putting way too much emphasis on the word "best" and are forgetting to enjoy the pictures for what they are... Beautiful pictures of women with some featuring different sexy assets. Some of us have made suggestions in the past about renaming the "best bums on the planet" thread to alleviate some of the negativity and frustration expressed by some members but at the end of the day, no matter what the thread is called (while respecting the rules), members will still be posting the same kind of pictures in that thread... Beautiful sexy bums they personally appreciate. I have posted in the bum thread on more than one occasion and I have no regrets. I love beautiful women and yes, the cliché is true: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think my sexy buns were ever mentioned in that thread but hey, I'm confident enough to know I have a nice round spankable bum and it doesn't need to be posted in that thread to make me feel better or reinforce what I already know ;) I take no offense to it and simply enjoy the sexy pictures that are being posted (although I haven't visited that thread or others in a long time) without focusing on the thread title. Life is too short to start nitpicking at everything!

Won't get any resistance from me, that's for sure! I'm sure many of the ladies here would also love for you to go down on them...

Strangest pets? Hmmm, let me see... Alligator, meanest piece a work on the planet. Lived in a huge aquarium in my dads shop. Lived on home farmed mice, lost frogs found in fence post holes and the occasional boot when he was loose in the yard and a stranger happened by. My dad would sit and wait for the boot feedings. He loved it. Mice. I bred mice! Why you ask? To feed the alligator of course. Until one day an ermine that lived in our shop for years discovered the contained hunting ground and slaughtered each and every one of them in a night. Very messy. Monkeys. 2 squirrel monkeys at different times in my life. The first was a full blown alcoholic with rage issues who masterbated to elicite public indignation. He was the ear fucker that smashed bottles of alcohol to get a fix. He also was a thief with no remorse, stealing eggs of any variety and state and sugar. He ran away and lived in neighbouring barns with the cows every summer, terrorized the cat and all children for shits and giggles and thought it was his God given right to draw blood for his personal entertainment. Bottom line, he was an addict with a bad attitude and a death wish that went unfulfilled for far too long. The second was a delight that should have lived forever and died too soon! A cat. We a single cat that weighed 28 lbs, was bigger than a springer spaniel (I swear) and was known to bring home a live badger or fox for my mom on occasion. Her name was Momma Kitty. Her goal in life was to kill the drunken monkey but unfortunately he had a cage that she could only knock over, never open. Her ultimate success was outliving him. African lion cub. This little miss didn't last long. My dad brought her home, my mother moved out. She went to live at a lion rescue but not before leaving permanent marks all over my body. Anyone ever really thought about what a 3 month old kitten is like if it weighs 65lbs with claws and teeth that can't be filed or clipped? She would hide and pounce on someone walking by to play but it never ended well. The almost 10lbs of horse meat a day she consumed showed me that I never wanted an indoor cat as I was on litter box duty, thus the scars. A cow. My dad decided we would raise a cow, kill it and eat it. It thought it was a dog. Really thought it was a dog. Hung out in the dog pen, ran with the dogs at night, thought it should hang out on the porch and at times wandered into my play house and got stuck cause it couldn't turn around. He would panic and get the runs which ruined every carpet I ever stole for my little palace. He would lay next to us like a dog when we sun bathed and twice ruptured our out door water bed. Sometimes the dogs would take him places just to get him stuck, on purpose. We would have to go scouting for him and find him in a thicket or on the other side of a swamp puddle. We didn't eat him. He eventually got pneumonia and died. The dogs dug him up on 3 different occasions so I got to say goodbye more than once. Dogs. We had them. Police reject sheppards that couldn't resist a rabbit chase, dobermans that were selectively deaf but never missed a whistle call that may involve food, rotties that wished calves were born just a bit bigger because a new born calf is just a little shy of a meal. Husky/wolf mixes that could wipe out a barn full of livestock quicker than a man gets an erection, mastiffs that thought my mother needed her own gaggle of geese and routinely stole the neighbours gander and a goose, bringing them home alive. Pit bulls that thought the tire pile was their natural habitat and would rearrange it at their whim; like dragging dozens of tires to different spots in the yard over night that would require me to get a truck, load it and move the cursed rubber back to the pile. We had an ever evolving pack of dogs that society had rejected and they would show up on our gate with no notice. Bless the ones that weren't pregnant on their arrival. One had 14 puppies the second day she was there. Then continued to spit out more than 10 puppies twice as often as dog should go into heat. We couldn't get her to the vet fast enough to fix her because everytime she we'd get her into his office, she was already carrying again. We could lock this bitch in a room with no windows and she'd still get pregnant but she was the best alpha we ever had so we dealt with the puppy factory she was. Then we had our pet dogs. Pretty little pets, with bows and silly names. They balanced out the pack; they would escape and run all night with the boys, coming home covered in mud and filth with missing bows and fresh ticks, then attempt to climb into bed with one of us; wet and reeking of swamp. And my parents wondered where I got it! Ferrets. An albino ferret arrived, frolicking and full of piss and vinegar. He bonded with the second monkey and they made it a mission to ensure our little bowed pet dog had a nervous breakdown. They would tag team on keeping her off every surface in the house. If she got up on a chair, the monkey jumped her; if she was on the floor; the ferret took his shot. This lasted 6 months until the vet said she needed anti anxiety meds (in the 80's) so the ferret went to a new home. Fish. 100 gallon tank was home to more fish than I can count. Our oldest was a 24 year old gold fish and 2 suckers that made it to over 15. I always wanted pirhannas, but they were deemed too dangerous? What, after the lion? There were the others, the small and furries that didn't last long. Bunnies and gerbils, hamsters and wild baby mice I'd find in the yard or nested in cars headed for the crusher. I would keep them until my mom found them and promptly "got rid" of them. These are just some of my childhood pets. I will try and get the list together for the ones I made sure my children had. Not quite as primal as my childhood friends but every bit as entertaining... cat

An example of an illegal activity would be a request for a car date. An example of an "off the wall" activity would be a request for BBFS sex. Contacting a lady to see if she has a "special of the day" going on is never appreciated and quite off putting no matter what the weather is like outside ;) It's best to do your research first.

This morning while I drink my coffee and read the boards here, I?m struck by how many complaints we have about the guys who take advantage of some aspect of our services and then treat us badly. There are active discussions about men who: Try to negotiate or bargain clearly-stated non-negotiable fees Try to pay less than the agreed fee after they arrive Try to get services that were not agreed on before the date Complain about our screening questions Don?t bother to take a shower, brush their teeth or trim their nails before seeing us Assume that we're likely to rob them Threaten to write bad reviews and/or aren?t believed when they write good ones Insult us, our need for safety and even our looks when we don?t give in to what they demand No one is forced to read our ads and websites, look at our photos, contact us, discuss our services with us, or meet with us. It?s all voluntary and initiated by the client. The client has needs, feelings, preferences and curiosity, but why do so many refuse to take responsibility for themselves? What they express as anger, self-righteous indignation and personal entitlement is really projected self-hatred. I want to sit these men down and say: If you don?t want to see a paid companion, don?t do it. If you decide to seek out a companion, that's your decision. What you want is not what everyone else may want. That?s usually a wonderful thing. Recognize that we?re not like cheap candy that you can buy daily. We?re more like fine dining to be enjoyed occasionally. Plan accordingly. If someone?s prices are too high for you, either wait until you can afford her, or find someone else. Meanwhile, don't blame her for your lack of funds. Recognize that she charges what the market will bear. That means that there are plenty of others who can afford to see her. Always be polite and considerate. No matter what. Even if you feel confused, disappointed or insulted, be polite. Remember that companions are human beings, just like you. We have needs, desires, dreams and things we?re worried about or afraid of, just as you do. We will protect both your health and our own. Fair is fair. If you're worried about your safety, know that she's concerned about her safety, too. No matter who or how important you are or think you are, the one who is taking the most risks is always the companion. Always. Relax.

I know I'm early on this by a couple posts but I couldn't wait! Nicolette, you are a cornerstone in this community. You are amazingly beautiful and up front and so very enjoyable in so many ways. Your candor and honesty have made me smile on more than one occasion and I know for a fact that many others feel the same way. Thank you for sharing of yourself to those of us who have not (nor might ever) have the pleasure of your actual company. You make us feel closer!! Thank you and looking forward to many more ABC's and never ending support!

Thinking this might not make a best of cerb thread list.... Peace MG

RG, as you know, I've had no problem at all accepting these things from you as part of the screening process. You're providing good, verifiable information that assures me that you are who you say you are, and that helps me feel confident that I would be safe in your company. I don't require work telephone numbers from everyone who wants to see me. Indeed, I've probably asked less than a quarter of my new clients in the last couple of years to give me that information. When someone has a reasonable objection to providing a piece of information, there are usually other ways to satisfy my need. No work phone number, but two good references from companions he's seen within the last six months would be one example. Ultimately, I draw a sharp distinction between protecting someone's privacy and ensuring their complete anonymity and untraceability. I have a number of clients from the US. In every case, the first time they've contacted me they've provided complete disclosure of their identities and verifiable contact information along with good, recent references. This is standard in the US where clients and companions both need to take steps to ensure that they're not being set up by law enforcement. Here, in Canada, LE is much less an issue; safety is a greater one.

I'd recommend you not read them if you don't like them. I, like many others I'm sure, like them, so I hope you don't mind if I read them. I don't read alot of stuff on this site, but I don't post telling others that their topics serve no purpose. No way I'm going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure you'll get come OPCIs (Obsessive Politically Correct Individuals) agreeing with you.

In early January, a prospective client said that he wanted to meet me in a hotel bar. He would try to pick me up and I would steer the conversation to get him to understand that he couldn't have my time for free. He wanted to ask what an hour with me would cost and have me name my price. I told him that this is illegal and that I wouldn't do it. Moreover, I hadn't met him in person, didn't know what he looked like and therefore wouldn't take part in any role-play with him in public, even if the topic was a legal one. He tried to dissemble, saying that he was just testing me to see if I knew the limits of the law and whether I was the kind of woman who takes such risks. He said that some SPs will push the boundaries if they're paid enough. In his first e-mail to me, he'd piled on the compliments, saying how well-respected I am and how much he's appreciated my posts here, etc. If he really did know these things, he would have no reason to expect that testing me would serve any good purpose. I decided that he was up to no good. He was either wasting my time or running some agenda of his own that wasn't likely to be favourable to me.

^ First i have to agree with Emily's post, great post! Also Claire made a point of saying that maybe people will want to get rid of the recommendations...if you have 3 sps and 2 have glowing recommendations and the 3rd doesn't have one, is she going to feel offended that she doesn't have one and the others do?! it's the nature of the biz, but does it make her any less, no...just not recognized, yet. And that goes for Best BJ type threads, maybe there are some sps that excel at it and others don't, but maybe better at something else. Also, guys are paying money for this service and if a BJ is something they want, then they want someone well recommended. There's some threads i don't care for and so i don't participate, so what do i do...i ignore them and go on the threads i do enjoy...it's really that simple. As for the daily hottie threads...yes, immature but it's mindless fun but i enjoy them, get to see sexy women! ....and who would be offended by that, none of the women are from this site. the moral of the story, change the channel if you don't like what you see. ...and, yes, this has been mentioned before - http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=36167

Next thing Ya know People will be asking to remove the recommendation section on CERB to avoid hurt feelings..... I understand the point- but its all judgement- we ALL judge and Compare and Market and have views and opinions and they can Clash...But...I wouldnt let this bother you so much- its not worth your effort or energy is it? It does not affect your position in the industry or change the ways of life on a day to day basis. Again- I say- Live and Let Live. ;)

This has been a topic of discussion that has already caused such a backlash amongst providers that it started a downward spiral of negative feelings and culminated in suspensions with all kinds of drama. The fact is some may feel that there is little to no tact or taste put into the titles of these thread but the view count shows undeniable draw and that is what this board is all about. Marketing. Yes, it's a community but first and foremost it's an advertising site for sex workers to connect with specific target market. The bottom line is boys will be boys and men will be men. They all like to look at pretty girls and for this I am thankful. I like to use the "best of" threads as a gauge for who I would like and not like to entertain. The most useful aspect of CERB is the opportunity to see what someone writes and how they respond to certain topics. It's like my very own screening tool and all I have to do is read. We can't teach awareness, it has to happen on it's own and pointing out the shortcomings only seems to make it worse online so pursuing this as a viable topic of discussion will come to no good and we know what happens when threads go left... cat

Me and my pooch. Too bad more Ottawa guys weren't dog friendly this visit! xo Emily

I am a very tactile and sensory person so I am all about the BBBJ. I love the warmth and silkiness of the skin there especially with the solid core. The feeling of the veins and the texture of the skin on my tongue turn me on and ad to my enjoyment. I love how the feeling changes depending on how you're licking or sucking. I also love the visual of a hard bare cock. And I can't leave out the taste...oh mon dieu! So delicious and enticing. So many things to love about it that are removed when a condom is added no matter the thinness. I love everything about it and when you add in the gentleman's enjoyment, it's a truly blissful experience.

Mothers day just past I was out shopping for jewelry and in the middle of a discussion with the clerk about what I should get and she said, "what about a pearl necklace, I'd love to get a pearl necklace for mothers day". I bust!

I personally would pay for male companionship for all of the same reasons men (single or married) seek female companions (I know quite a few other ladies who would too and couples who want a male SP for their wives) but it is not easy to find someone who is established, trustworthy and discreet. Perhaps a small niche market but in the end, it could turn out to be a great one for the professional male SP(s).

Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like We Do http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=469451 Stevie Nicks - Leather And Lace Stevie Nicks - Gypsy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H5sShQmhPI Stevie Nicks - Gold Dust Woman

Thanks Stevy for your post. Yes, you can reco on someone who is not on this site. Also, my theory on why some continue to see ladies who are not on this site is really about money. Ladies who are actually putting money back into their business and not ripping people off generally do not offer bargain basement prices. Most that see these ladies object to the prices that established ladies charge. Ladies that have great recos, have a cerb handle, contribute here and really understand that reputation is everything in this business. So, if hobbyists want to see ladies who are not established, or worse, have red flags because of fake pics or fake descriptions, really are putting themselves in a position of being disappointed. Why? You get what you pay for and you have the choice. Simple choice. Spend your hard earned money with a lady who is going to treat you like a million bucks. Why take the chance of getting ripped off, robbed, disappointed, for the sake of saving a couple of bucks, when the opportunity of seeing someone who is established is right beneath your nose? xoxo

Oh hell yes! I like him with short hair too and his sexy British accent! This is the latest show I'm into. Imo, he's sexier than Brad Pitt ever was.

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Hi guys :) How would you like to spend some time with a beautiful blonde seductress. One who can put you at ease with a soft touch and gentle smile. Under this beauty and soft demeanor lives a sensual energy beyond compare. I promise an experience like no other :) and one worth repeating. Come see me Friday 10 - 4 at club CMJ west 613-523-6199 or PM Guests welcome, PM me to introduce yourself. xoxo Kelly

Here ya go Claire

Actually you can now view it on my site. It is also found on atlanitic holistic directory site. This is so candid, there are parts that are serious, but then it had a funny side too! I laughed so hard sometimes, me and my girls had a bast watching it! Of course being candid with no breaks or editing, I did stumble a few times, lol.. The cool part is, it got us girls talking, cause everyone in the industry can relate to what we discuss:) Also other viewers that are not involved with our lifestyle, said that they had no idea and that they have a positive outlook now. Whereas, before they followed the normal outlook. So for me, I think that is a success, and I did what I set out to do! Hope you all like it:) You may need to create account to get access to the documentary. Is found under video selection. mssophiav.ca

Blinded by the light ..... Revved up like DEUCE?! What the?! all these years ive been singing along to it saying DOUCHE! Ooopsie.

u do realize having a raincoat on is the opposite of BBBJ right??? You're talking about a cbj...

Saw this video last night and I was simply astounded. For the most part this is about men's violence against women. However, this is not your usual monologue, the speaker addresses the issues from a very different angle which is both subtle and profound at the same time. It also addresses issues which affect everyone including sex workers and their clients, transgendered people, disabled persons, gays and lesbians etc. This really speaks to the core issues and behaviors of society and our individual peer groups. This is also empowering. Definitely food for thought and action. Video Synopsis: Domestic violence and sexual abuse are often called "women's issues." But in this bold, blunt talk, Jackson Katz points out that these are intrinsically men's issues -- and shows how these violent behaviors are tied to definitions of manhood. A clarion call for us all -- women and men -- to call out unacceptable behavior and be leaders of change. PatrickGC

Go with your intuition on this one. Legit gentlemanly clients are not going to mess around with a lady and "test" her. I'm with RG, it wasn't a "test", he was asking hoping you'd say yes. A companions donation is sacred IMO, and not even up for discussion once it's relayed to the client the first time. It's a very much a "take it or leave it" type thing. Red flag him and move on to other gentleman.

My contribution to this thread is not to express whether I agree or disagree with the threads and whether I participate in them or not.... My opinion is however that if these threads did not exist and/or were eliminated ..... that would eliminate a great deal of Cerb traffic and time spent on the site by those who enjoy reading and participating in these threads. Some of the very active participants in these threads are also pretty active and respected and popular clients. I am a business man and I have learned over time to take things and opinions I disagree with... with a grain of salt, grin and bear it most times and carry on with life and I have more successful businesses and lifestyle as a result. My two cents. The penny is gone so I shall round up to my five cents ;)

NEVER!!! Those questions should raise warning flags...trust your gut instinct So called test questions can in fact be real questions but the prospective client could just back peddle and say he was asking to make sure you don't do those things It doesn't bode well for a first encounter, if there is that much mistrust on the client's part if he truly is testing the lady, or if he wants her to do unsafe/illegal activities or he disrespects her by attempting to barter/negotiate her donation This guy IMHO completely out of line Questions a gentleman would never ask RG

I agree 100%. It is harmless fun. It is not serious. If you don't like it, hit <next>

I agree, cristy! :) I sometimes feel bad because I am more affected by the deaths of animals than people. I love happy stories about animals too, like reunions, or the amazing ways that animals help people heal and make their lives better. I have always had pets in my life, and always will. Right now I have two big affectionate loveable cats, who are very chatty and full of personality. And then of course there is my pooch, who I often post about, Milo! :) He is my best bud and is with me nearly 24/7. Milo and I during morning snuggles: Milo and his big buddy Vincent :biggrin:

From my PoV, all I can say is... have you sucked on a piece of rubber lately? Was it simply delicious? Ya, didn't think so. I enjoy giving head, immensely. BBBJ that is. CBJ, not so much... I wanna barf every time I taste a condom, and let's be honest those flavored ones are even more repulsive.

To set the record straight, I was contacted to participate and I had full intentions of doing so, until they refused to keep my identity private. I received an email yesterday from my Original contact at CBC who had stepped down from this expose after I was taped in an airport. Yes I show my face, BUT on the internet. You find me when you are seeking company NOT looking for puppies. I am very discreet, yet CBC chose to jeopardize my well being, safety and business by airing this crap. I have had to pull my site and some ads (ads which I spend Thousands on a year). I have nothing to hide and I am proud of what i do, just now I wont be visiting certain places for a long time. I had 2 people email me saying my suitcase is now famous....Thanks CBC! The only lady who they interviewed is local, I personal feel she did it as a dig towards the touring ladies, as why else would she use a hotel that is one of choice and clearly not hidden in her interview, as will her comments about competition definitely lead me to believe that since she cant hold her own she needs to rid the competition. No matter how sweet she tried to make the sugar sound, its all BS. I loved the line about the money the touring girl made, SO glad Adam checked his facts, as well as that he checked the photos he used on his report were real (I wonder how many stolen pics got aired) Nothing on this local lady was used, yet he had fun attacking Keissy and I. Id love to know how he knew I was one of the fist off the plane? That thought sickens me to no end. I had a stalker 4 years ago and this is the same shit, just a different level. Plus why no other sources of advertising mentioned? Clearly he wanted to attack this other board owner, which is a shame. Keissy and I were his target as lets face it, OUR websites sell the story a cheap free unprofessional one does not. Yes I am mad, but myself and Keissy we will get through this, we are discreet and Keissy was never even contacted (so low, but what do you expect from an airport stalker) At the end of the day, the support from people on this has been amazing and I am grateful for everyones kind words.

I hate to sound like I'm beating a dead horse here. I've never seen Roxanne and have no particular ill will towards her. But I'm 99% certain that even without having met her that those pics are not her. Maybe they are close, but they are not her. How can I be so sure? Well, the first sign of trouble, without even searching anything is the watermark on one of the pictures; Bransilav | Josifovic photography. Now this doesn't immediately mean that its fake. A lot of girls will have professional photos done. But a simple Google image search will answer that question definitively for you right away. The first result in putting that image through the search engine is a video of the actual photo shoot. The model's name is Milica Vidosavljevic. Now I say 99% because, who knows, maybe Milica has retired from professional modeling to come jerk off guys in Moncton... but I doubt it. The other picture seems to have done the rounds in a bunch of dieting and thinness blogs and tumblr accounts (which are terrifying by the way). Again, I'd like to repeat. I have nothing against her, from what's been reported here she sounds rather attractive. I might have been interested in seeing her myself, but as soon as someone posts a fake photo I completely lose interest and I feel its important that any hobbyist who goes to see her understands what to expect (or rather what not to expect in this case). If anyone does see her in the future feel free to show her this and ask her to post real pics next time. If she starts posting real pictures she might start attracting a more informed clientele and I'd like to think that usually that's better for everyone involved.

I have to go with girl #2, everyone knows I'm weak for beautiful nipples like hers.

It is what it is, I use to post in a lot of those threads, and years back there was threads of the "SUNSHINE GIRL" (newspaper) hottie of the day. We can view the photo's,polls or simply move on, I chose the latter lately. Personally I like reading the Sun then flip at the Sunshine girl. I think they do it also from a marketing point of view, and if the subscriber finds it distasteful, well they can buy the Ottawa Citizen, it certainly does not hurt the marketing (views and pages) here on this board. It is in all good taste and fun the "best of " threads I see no harm no foul. Like I said, it is what it is, I rather comment on albums of beautiful women we have here on Cerb. I find it for myself much more realistic as I just might get to meet some these beautiful ladies of Cerb SO we both can have the real fun, hence the reasons why we are here.

OK, So I think that ppl have a right to post these best of's...what is the problem again? If you do not like the poll, then simply don't vote on them. I am defending the right to having what ever poll they want as long as it is not the "worst of" . I think by asking the community to stop them is wrong. They have the right to, no rules are broken. This is not in the sprit of freedom of opinion or of cerb:( I had a post about the most cherished men on cerb, never got complaints about that one. So why is only when it comes to women? This is a site that advertises fantasy. I know many hobbyist who enjoy these threads, and are entertained with them. I do not see anyone here calling someone ugly or that they don't cut the mustard...etc.. If you feel compared, or offended by cato's best of thread, then I am sorry to hear this. I am sure you know that you...all of us...have much to offer. as I said already, if I am compared to Angellie Jolle...well I will just laugh at that, cause she a bombshell babe, and I am just me:)

This is my baby, Grimlock, or Grim for short.

I think themastershake has a point, for me some smell I don't even smell or realize it. I think it's like you get used to it, or it could be the years of smelling strong orders from different chemical has diminished my sense of smell. Ex paint I can barely smell anymore. This is not an excuse to neglect your hygiene but I think those that have for so long don't realize it. As for showering, for me it still doesn't help deodorize the perspiration only deodorant work for me. With that said I have several deodorants, in my vehicle at home. I basically have one handy all the time. I'll go and buy one if I forget or run out, regardless were I am. I work hard often where it's hot and often when there is no air circulation so I know I swear a lot hence I come prepared even got change of clothes handy for whatever may occur. Maybe because I was a Boy Scout but be prepared is a good modo. So be considerate of others if you got poor hygiene do something about it before you go meet a lady. Even if its for that day.

Oh yeah ...... Aliyah!! Unfortunately some of the recent TO reviews are painting a picture of someone a bit hard to deal with. She also raised her rates, I still cannot believe it was only 2 browns when I saw the (former) teenaged nympho! Not sure she is as good these days but even half as good would be better than most! Additional Comments: Forgot to mention that ALLD usually has some young student types. I know you asked for indy but to be honest ALLD might be your best bet. Otto is generally pretty honest about ages.

Ani Difranco has been my favourite singer since I was an awkward twelve year old crushing on my beautiful twenty-something camp counsellor. Over the years I've purchased almost all of her albums, but this song will forever be an inspiration to me. Here is the video, and the lyrics: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vVg7mtgEqGY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> "32 Flavors" squint your eyes and look closer I'm not between you and your ambition I am a poster girl with no poster I am thirty-two flavors and then some and I'm beyond your peripheral vision so you might want to turn your head cause someday you're going to get hungry and eat most of the words you just said both my parents taught me about good will and I have done well by their names just the kindness I've lavished on strangers is more than I can explain still there's many who've turned out their porch lights just so I would think they were not home and hid in the dark of their windows til I'd passed and left them alone and god help you if you are an ugly girl course too pretty is also your doom cause everyone harbors a secret hatred for the prettiest girl in the room and god help you if you are a phoenix and you dare to rise up from the ash a thousand eyes will smolder with jealousy while you are just flying back I'm not trying to give my life meaning by demeaning you and I would like to state for the record I did everything that I could do I'm not saying that I'm a saint I just don't want to live that way no, I will never be a saint but I will always say squint your eyes and look closer I'm not between you and your ambition I am a poster girl with no poster I am thirty-two flavors and then some And I'm beyond your peripheral vision So you might want to turn your head Cause someday you might find you're starving and eating all of the words you said

LOVE this one:)

Well, RG, to be perfectly honest, the reason that some of us ask for a work number is that men lie. Shocking, isn't it? But they do. This is how it works: The man's CERB handle is "LuckyJohn789" and he has made, say, 273 posts, establishing a reputation for himself as a guy who can log in pretty often and write a few words. Asked for his real, full name, he says it's "John A. Smith" and the cell number he gives has voice mail on it saying, "Hello, this is John A. Smith. Sorry I can't take your call...". He doesn't want to give his work number to a companion. She only wants to be able to call XYZ Co. and verify that John A. Smith is an employee there. That's all. These calls happen all the time--credit card companies and others make them routinely. He gets irritated and paranoid. What if she discovers that there is no John A. Smith at XYZ Co? (There isn't, because he's really Fred T. Jones and he works for ABC Enterprises.) She might... post something, somewhere on CERB and out him, making it much harder for him to pose as a non-poseur. Why, he'd have to start over, create a new identity, post another two hundred "I agree" and "X has a point. That's my experience, too" kinds of statements for another few of months, along with a couple of phony reviews, before he can claim his reputation makes him a reliable, straight-up kind of guy whom any companion would welcome into her place, bed and body with open arms. He takes the path of highest dudgeon. If he gives the companion his work number, then, why, she'll know where he works! What if she outs him to his colleagues and others at his workplace? It's unthinkable! He's right about that. He never considers, for a moment, whether the companion has a reputation for doing this kind of thing. (Trust me, if she's done it even once, her poor victim will probably have posted the details on every escort board on the continent.) He never wonders why the company telephone receptionist would believe an unexpected call from SuzyHotStuff saying that John A. Smith has a habit of chatting up prostitutes online and maybe even trying to get a date with one of them. He doesn't pause to think about what kind of proof she would have to offer that would convince his employer to take a second look at him. He goes through considerable gymnastics over the question, reframing her concerns for her safety in terms that have to do with his privacy, discretion, need for confidentiality and entitlement to automatic respect, sight unseen. He claims moral outrage and says, in effect, that he's a stand-up kind of guy, salt of earth with a heart of gold, whereas everyone knows that all women on these boards are like SuzyHotStuff--hookers just waiting to take advantage of their next trick so that they can ruin a good man's life. It's an outrage! What will these women think of next? He'd never hurt a fly--it's obvious! He promises he'll keep the meeting, pay the full fee (which he may also mutter is more than she really deserves, but he's a generous guy and the girl is obviously having a hard time in life or she wouldn't be fucking for a living) and that they'll have a good time. He claims to be the soul of honesty and transparency except for this one, little detail: he doesn't want to give his work telephone number. But the companion who is considering meeting with John A. Smith knows what he knows, too, but will never say. He's not as honest as he claims. He's married. He has two or three kids. There could be hell, and legal bills, and years of child and spousal support to pay if his wife finds out what he's up to. He'll do anything he can to keep the wife from finding out about him. That's where the risk starts for most of us. When men are desperate and afraid, they often become impulsive and self-justifying. Unfortunately, that's when we women are most likely to be hurt, or worse. People will lie in order to get something they want or to avoid responsibility for the things they've done. Men will lie to their wives, to their friends, to their employers and colleagues, to their paid companions, to the police and the courts.... Understand? We know that men lie. We do know that. We know that they want to have some fun on the side without negative repercussions or fall-out. Yes, we know that. Not only do we know it, but we'll help you keep your secret. This business thrives on secrets well-kept. Give her the number. Make the appointment. Pay her in full. Have a good time. Give her a decent tip, too, if you like her. Go on your way. See her again, or not. End of story.