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Thanks to you.. You are such a sweetheart! Yes, sometimes it sad to read that kind of stuff.. But the funniest part is that the one who *always* have something bad to comment about everything are the one who need to look to themselve in the mirror. I have been called "fat" on this *erb by someone who is 3times my size...LOL To be honest, I dont really care as Im comfortable with my body (most of the time.. Im a woman after all! Lol) and there is a lot of men who likes me the way I am.. !! Im honest on my description and my pictures.. If Im not your type, you can keep it for yourself! No? Lol I dont even log into that board anymore.. No time for such negativity! Nobody is perfect after all! ;)

Personally any compliment that is honestly and freely given generates positive energy and can turn any moment into an extraordinary moment. As long as they are sincere they don't come off as creepy. If people react negatively or dismissively, don't take it as a waste, it was simply deflected good energy and the person probably wasn't open to it anyway. The nice thing about this type of thing is that it usually starts a reaction, a pay it forward. If it makes you feel good, you want to make someone else feel good and before long, things are good. Keep it light and playful and most people don't react badly to it. Mind you some react with a blank stare like "what just happened" because they're not used to it. I compliment on cool hair colors, jewelry, clothes, smiles or just someone enjoying a moment. So far, no one has reacted badly. I love it....bring it on!

Its all right, you made a mistake and apologized. Thank you. Now you understand how things work. But don't have any inhibitions when it comes to contacting anyone. We want any gentleman that reaches out to any of us to feel comfortable and wanted when doing so. Be thoughtful, respectful, polite and you'll receive the same + in return. Look at the profiles available when you are here pick who you find an attraction to then contact her through her requested protocol. As we all have different ways we like to be contacted, some prefer texts, some pm's, some phone calls, etc, etc. Then if the attraction continues book an appt:) You can find out more about any of us through reco's, our posts, websites to help with your decision. But please don't feel chased of by a mistake, we all make them, just move on and have fun:)

Hmm. Seems like I didn't think this one through. Just thought it might be an interesting idea, but I didn't think about how the ladies may feel about it. I certainly didn't want it to be taken as a "work for your supper situation" but I now see how it looks in the light of day. I guess I find the initial contact the most stressful part of the hobby, and I thought I could get around it in this way. Boy was I wrong Believe me, I have the utmost respect for the ladies of CERB. You are all truly beautiful women inside and out. I take this as a sign that I have to step back and reevaluate what I say and do. I apologize for anyone I have offended with this post. I am truly sorry

Unfortunately- I have my profile set to private. You must add me as a friend before having access to my page. IF I could hand select specific people of threat or disinterest that I could block I would have kept my profile public and only blocked the few people I rather not have access to anything about me. Some people linger on your page with a hidden agenda or follow the contacts/messages you leave between guestbooks, Some people I just do not like.... etc etc. Until the option of being able to ignore chosen poisonous type people (Usually not even clients) My Profile Will Remain Private. Feel free to add me or message me tho ;)

Before you get overly flamed for this, you should know that sps sending out solicitation type pms and messages etc is against the site rules. Sps place ads, and respond to direct communication. which means it is entirely up to you to read the ads/websites, recommendations and initiate communication yourself. We are not here to audition for a casting calls lol and it is unfortunate to mention that you may actually get some messages due to this thread but the sps you probably should be seeing are the ones who will not contact you and now not want to see you due to having to come up with some kind of over the top performance to impress you, and no one really likes that.

To put it bluntly, these men who say these things still had sex that `fat pig`` , the SP with `gross acne scars`and the chick `with cellulite that looked like an orange peel``. We are NOT models and never claim to be ``perfect``. You are paying us for our time and YOU paid to be with her and did not walk away so to write about this is almost like an oxymoron. What I would say is take a look in the mirror. Are you Brad Pitt yourself. Just because you are paying, doesn`t mean you`re better or holier than thou. To the men who do appreciate us, thank-you! We certainly appreciate you!

Many guys tend to fall in lust ( not love) with the idea of the SP and what *they* think she is or the image she portrays in her business. I am pretty much a genuine person but I also have my faults/flaws and am not perfect. Some clients tend to fall in love with the illusion we offer. It's a fantasy and that is what draws men towards SP. Personally, I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me and for an SP, it is extremely awkward to have to deal with a customer who crosses boundaries and doesn't respect them. Do you really want to know all of me including the not so good side? Most likely not. I once had to deal with this sort of situatuon with someone who isn't a Cerb member and met them as a client through another type of escort advertising. Having to be put on the spot about phrases like "I think you're great and I consider you a friend. I would really like to take you out to dinner or a movie." or "Anytime you feel horny, give me a call." And all the while knowing full well about my personal situation and NOT respecting it by pushing their way in. How am I supposed to respond to this? Shall I be clear, blunt and be a bitch and say "Is this off the clock?" or "Okay, I can go out with you, it's going to be this much." How is a client who is clearly falling for an SP going to respond to this? I know what it's going to be...disappointment, rejection and I'm a money hungry bitch. it will be all put back on me when I'm just trying to do my job but put in a situation where it is only one sided. I'm not looking for a boyfriend or to hang out on the side! I am well aware that some ladies do this and some unsavory women may use men despite the type of job they hold in this industry but I'm not one of those women. I see my clients, give it a 100% when I'm with them and that's it untll they decide to call or text me again. I do not contact them out of the blue, use them to my advantage to get extra money by leading them on. That's not the way I roll. I am not interested in having personal friendships with my clients and maintain two different worlds. Sorry to say but it can only go so far. Having to let someone down isn't easy because they are going to feel rejected either way even if it's put in a nice, polite way. If an SP isn`t being reciprocal in your advances to take time to see each other off the clock, take a hint and understand why. She is doing her job! I refuse to have a client turn this around on me and make me feel bad when THEY decide to blur the lines. if this is the case and my boundaries are not respected, I will no longer take them on as a client and it's not my fault. If a client can't understand the difference between a real friendship ( without being paid) and one with an SP who he pays, then he has to deal with some issues of his own. I've encountered a few clients who really did blur the lines and were in denial and didn't want to think of their favorite SP as someone who was in a business relationship with them. Often times, they have issues going on in their lives and quickly attach themselves emotionally to an SP due to the imtimate intricacies involved in an encounter. Many clients have said to me that they feel when they're with me that they don't even feel like they're with an SP because it feels so natural but they really are with an SP! Don`t get me wrong... I really do enjoy what I do for a living but it`s what I do for a living and I am good at it. It is not something that coincides with my personal life. If my personal life is affected and I feel anxious or awkward every time a clients pushes the boundaries, money is not an issue with me when it comes to my mental and emotional state. They will be asked not to return. Respect your SP..

Its commonplace to here negative stories and aspects of our line of work, escorting/providing. What it can do to "womanhood", how we are homewreckers, that its demoralizing, sinful, the cause of other crimes, blah, blah, blah! So I wanted to state some positive! This business has allowed me to become independent, completely so.:) Its greatly increased my self esteem. Actually, believe it or not its caused me to be more careful about my eating habits. Having to be naked often, causes me to eat less and more carefully than I would if I knew I'd never have to expose myself:) It allows me to be completely uninhibited, has taught me a lot about my own body and sex. I've also learned a lot of very positive things about men and their bodies;). It satiates my high drive, causes me to exercise more than I would normally. As an introvert I probably wouldn't have met the amount of really great people I've met had I chosen another line of work. I am a much more confident and carefree person because of this business. Probably more empathetic as well:) Yes there have been some rough times and some minor bumps but that would happen in any line of work I suspect. All in all my choice to provide has been a beneficial and a happy and positive experience :)

Well you'd think with all the stereotypes held about "the biz" I would have stumbled into a hooker, prostitute, streetwalker, lady of the night or whatever other term of the day is used since embarking on this lifestyle. Well I haven't. I have however met ladies. Ladies who are bright, intelligent, pleasant, sociable. They don't meet society's stereotype of a sex worker at all. In fact, when I first embarked on this lifestyle, the one stereotype I had was this was about anonymous sexual encounters only. Boy was I wrong. First I didn't know how much I missed female companionship, not just sexual, but all aspects of being with a woman. And second, no anonymity, they know my name,(in some cases my address too) whether it is a lady I'm seeing for the first time or a lady I see on regular basis. The ladies have integrity, honesty and are professional. In some cases they are friends. And most of all, their companionship helped fill a void in my life after my last break-up (and last time I dated) None of the stereotypes about "the biz" reflect my experiences. In fact the encounters I have had with ladies have been the most honest no strings attached relationships (for lack of a better word) I have had. A rambling RG

.. that is always easier to bash on people behind a computer!... Fortunately, there is a lot of great gentlemen on here!! :)

Or, more likely, the SP thinks you are mentioning this request in order to get a discount. As Emily J first indicated, perhaps you should lay out that you would be providing regular rates before mentioning your request. Good luck.

just to throw my 2 cents in my 2 favourite ladies in here is SexxxyRebecca and nicolette vaughn are they fat HELL NO just 2 beautiful ladies inside and out can't wait to see them again and yes i can lose 10 or 20 pounds just saying

I think I'm with Ms.Emily on this one. Sometimes I like to just lay back and be serviced. Sometimes, I like my partner to lay back and let me service her. Sometimes it's 50/50. There have been times when my pleasure from the lady has been so intense, I had no energy left to reciprocate. Simply too spent. Just wanted to lay and hold the source of my pleasure. The downside of a busy life, health and the aging process. :(

I've got to admit, I am a giver by nature! While I do like to receive almost as much, knowing and seeing that my playmate is enjoying what we're doing is what really gets my panties wet :p 69 is like the perfect medium, giving and receiving at the same time... yummy!

I don't blur the SP-Client relationship. All of my encounters I realise and recognize are at it's core, a business transaction, and that I never forget. That said, this is a very unique lifestyle and business, one dealing with intimacy and companionship, and has no comparison. For emotions coming into play, actually is IMHO natural. What you have to do, and I do, is keep your head on straight, and not let your emotions run you. I still recognize that the lady is a professional companion who sees other clients, and I have no delusions, I know I'm not the one and only LOL or the man of her dreams, but we are friends and I respect them, and they have shown me nothing but friendship and respect in return. There are for example, a couple ladies I consider friends. But the only time I see them is in scheduled paid encounters. No blurring of the lines here, I still respect the core boundary, that this is a paid business transaction, and that it the only time I will see them. But encounters are two friends getting together, not a SP meeting a client, if that makes sense. Does that lessen the friendship, IMHO no. It is just a unique friendship founded on a ongoing business arrangement. A rambling for what it's worth RG

Personally, I don't like thinking of the relationships I have in the industry as less real than relationships I have outside the industry. I also don't like thinking about this notion of "fantasy" versus "reality". Life is so much more complicated than real/fake or fantasy/reality. I think boundaries are really important between a service provider and client, but they are equally important in all relationships be they in the industry or not. People have different boundaries (sometimes fluid and sometimes not) for different reasons and I think it's important we respect the decisions people make about their relationships and business model(s).

The theme of this thread is sexy black and white pictures of women found within Cerb albums. Sometimes a simple black and white picture is sexier then full colour pictures. Let's see what we kind find :) To start a fairly new member to CERB, she just posted these pictures recently : from Eva Pearl's Album some very sexy pictures : She also has some very sexy colour pictures too :) check them out.

So I had an appointment today with the lovely ebony Adryanna today and I have to tell you the anticipation was off the charts. You see our last encounter ended in the usual volcano eruption and seeing stars that she usually generates but we had a little time at the end and chatted about likes and dislikes. This can be very interesting when you get to know your SP. Especially if they open up a little about what they'd like to try. I always find that the interim correspondence for the next visit will always reference the fantasy and build up the anticipation for it. Well the last visit yielded a great deal of information about how much she really does enjoy Greek (cue the cheering from all the fans of the act) and how she'd like to get fucked in front of a mirror standing up. She really wanted to watch the act and see if the visual sent her over the edge. Just the thought of it sends me over the edge! So today, she greeted me with a mischievous smile and matching thong and bra and she led me past the full length mirror in her room. I immediately sprung to attention thinking this fantasy is not just hers, it's mine too. Just to keep this a reasonable length...foreplay, foreplay, foreplay...then we're standing in front of the mirror with her delicious booty wiggling toward my eager dick. We both had a fun show in the mirror and if you haven't seen her gorgeous ass swallow your dick yet, this is NOT to be missed. The lady loves her Greek and went at it until her legs gave out. Didn't achieve the desired result yet so we washed up and proceeded to the next round of lazy doggy style. This is my favorite with her because her perfect ass slaps up against me enhancing the experience. If you're closer to fifty than thirty like I am, you appreciate all the stimulation you can get since the condom dulls the senses a little. Needless to say, volcanic eruption and stars again. And she came too! Fucking awesome sight with her cumming and pushing back on my dick! This lady gets better and better with every encounter. She even knows how to treat us not-so-young-and-not-a-stallion anymore guys. Just the little things like getting me raging hard before the condom get on, fun foreplay and lots of good encouragement. I will continue to have fun with Adryanna whenever she comes to town. Sometimes twice when she cums to town!

In my mind and limited experience it is WAY better to give, than to receive. Example: One of my first girlfriends, we never had intercourse bit I did get a handy once and that was it but I would pleasure her for hours and that was our relationship. Now I don't even get to do that and I suppose that's one reason why I'm here. I desperately want to experience those feelings again, even at 1 hour at a time. Now that I'm older, I would expect the SP to have the same feelings as I so I guess if both parties want to please the other then everyone is happy. Yeah?

Do you give them freely? I was thinking I would try to give a perfect stranger (female of course) a compliment every day or at least as often as I could or as the opportunity would allow. However, when this comes from some bald 50 year old father looking type, is it creepy? I certainly don't want to come across as creepy or perverted so how do you go about it? Should I limit it to women over 30? 40?? ugh, 50??? On a recent bike trip, I told an info booth girl, approx 18, that she had the most beautiful eyes that I had ever seen. (true statement) Her response was "I hear that all the time" MMMmmmm, OK I thought. Must be nice. Compliment wasted. Just today at a tourist place we were approached by an attractive young girl and we were asked if we could answer a few questions. My response was "we're not usually approached by pretty girls, but sure." Was that innocent enough? My buddies were impressed that I was coming out of my shell but were not used to that from me. We call it "no fucks were given" At a recent trip to a strip club in QC something came over me. If a girl sat and chatted I would tell her exactly what I thought of her, politely of course. You have a fantastic smile, eyes and even personality etc. Do you think this serves ANY purpose at all?

It's sad to say but true. Some people are really "brave" when hiding behind anonymous board handles submitting posts to put others down. Guess that's how they can build themselves up On the bright side, not only are there a lot of respectful gentlemen here on CERB, there are a lot of great ladies here too. RG

Wow, 500! Congrats.

Way to go! Keep the party alive and the good reads coming!

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Congratulations on your first 500 posts SteveyK. Looking forward to your next 500 contributions RG

I do prefer the man taking the lead, so whatever he wants is what I like. But I can also be the pleaser, the one who takes the lead and pleasure my man, nothing hotter then watching a guy get turned on and hard! I don't think one is better than the other just depends on who you are with as to which way it'll go. Both can be fun and exciting, best maybe to not have to chose and just share;) give and get:)

Congratulations SteveyK on reaching 500 posts!!! I look forward to reading the next 500. :D

Really man? So it's up to the ladies ?

Loosing a good friend and a sister because of a simple misunderstanding.

What more could you ask for? In the east end tomorrow from 3-10 pm..Don't miss your chance to book with me ! Let me take care of you and blow you away with what I can do ! You will have to come see for yourself ;) Sunday august 11th 3-10 Tuesday 9-10 :) Not a member of cmj? Want to be my very special VIP guest?? Pm and ill tell you how xox Courtney

Very,very nice......yummmmy.

Cant see it all ... but mmmm meee! :)

And I like emiafish because he also contributes to the CERB community. No comments on the dirty old men sticking together though, I hate being considered old LOL RG

My son(24 yrs old) visited yesterday and he recently got is M2 (motorcycle) license so to congratulate him on it I offered to let him ride my second motorcycle. It was fun to have him ride beside me and not behind me like when he was younger. My wife took picture of both of us on HOGS and it will be something I will cherish forever.

Finally after almost a year, I am free from antidepressants and the sexual side effects. Namely the ability to orgasm freely has returned. The drugs I had been taking did nothing to diminish desire or to hinder my ability to get hard, but orgasms were few and far between. Happily, most of the lovely and talented CERB ladies were able to help me reach the mountain top, sometimes with tremendous effort on their parts. My home sex life was a nightmare, while my wife got off easily and often, I was left un satisfied and frustrated. Even masturbation was an exercise in futility, I had porn star endurance and my wrist would give out before I got off. Since getting off the drugs, I've had no problem climaxing with my wife and lover, Twice yesterday and again before breakfast today. Vacation sex is the best. Hmmmm... It's raining today, I think I'll surprise my napping wife for a nooner. There is something about the heat of the tropics and the sound of the surf that gets my mojo going.

From Alexxandria's album: Very sexy smile :)

You guys must be watching a hell of a lot of BB after Dark, as I didn't pick up on all the things, especially the Judd and Jessie thing. Didn't they just kiss on the lips a couple days before DE? And after he was gone she was still stunned that he was backdooring her, and she thought things were all good. Of course Jessie is probably the most inept player in the game this year and it's obvious she may be kept around in the game quite late as there is no way she'll win. I'm surprised that McCrae and Judd were that close as he seemed quite upset over him going home. One thing I won't miss about him is the obvious inability to enunciate when speaking. God, was he ever a pain to listen to! But him leaving was obviously was from all his two timing and setting up multiple alliances all over the place. Why at least either Aaryn or Amanda are not gone yet I don't know. They are both strong players. Aaryn is probably still there because of her wins in comps, and Amanda is probably still there because McCrae has tried to reel her in. I watched Thursday nights BB After Dark and Aaryn was wondering why her mother hasn't written her a letter yet. Hmmmm, maybe she's embarrassed how racist all of America knows her to be. I know the producers would want to take advantage of the publicity from all this, but has she been called into the diary room to discuss her comments? God only knows what happens between those Amanda & McCrae afterwards, but I feel for McCrae as that woman is quite a load to handle. Plus, she looks like she could squash him if she wanted. I think she's in for a rude awakening when she finds out the pizza boy is really a pizza boy and not some multi-millionaire! Yeah, as far as big moves this year, BB has been a bust otherwise either Helen, Amanda or McCrae would be gone by now, especially one of the showmance. Everyone is playing it safe so they don't worry about being attacked the next week if the big target ends up surviving, as a result few gutsy moves.

I just hear the word "diet" and all i can think is chicken,tuna, brocoli and egg whites...:( yeah that was what i ate the most when i was preparing for competition! i know its not like just watching your diet and eating healthy...its a bit...hum...a lot more drastic and can drive you crazy and very irritable :vatefaire:!! One good thing though It taught me good eating habit...5-6 smaller meals instead of 3 big ones, It's a life style change! It took me at least a year to accept that i will not eat peanut butter toast in the morning anymore lol (when preparing for a competition) and its funny how our brain works...now that im not competing i can eat whatever i want but i dont! tell me i can't eat a burger and i will crave for it:confused: To answer the OP...I have tried them all...the best diet is no diet...smart and moderate eating habit...IMO

After finding out my arm is not broken, prescribed an anti inflammatory and slowly being able to bend in again. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep pain free tonight.

Midnite-Massage, nice to see your welcoming post as I look to emerge from being just a lurker here on Cerb. I gotta say, your Tumblr page really has no equal. The images and gifs you find are phenomenal and you do a great job keeping it updated. I've been a frequent visitor since finding it months ago.

Not foolproof, but if the poster is a longer term member, has numerous posts, and has posted information on other providers that corroborates your own experience with them, then you ought to give the comments made by that member some weight. It is not unusual to see positive comments provided with low post count members (1 to 5 posts, for example). I place far less credibility on the comments offered by 'low' post count members. It is easy for an sp's close friend to become a member and post one or two positive remarks for the girl, to help her out. Call me a cynic, but it does happen. Personal preference will play a part. I may be looking for a kinky provider, but a reliable member who has vanilla interests may not enjoy or value the service in the same way as I would. Conceivably, we could provide different perspectives or comments on the same provider. If you're curious and interested in a provider, and if the reviews are mixed, then maybe you should pay her a visit and see for yourself. Lastly, and most important; read between the lines. If someone is on the 'no fly' list, it is because a member has either been offered or experienced highly risky and unprotected sex services. Keep Safe, Have Fun, and Happy Pooning! :)

I just love this thread, I've read every post and everyone has had some good points. And for the posts about not lasting that long, I've been with clients that lasted only a few minutes, but then we would cuddle, talk, some foreplay, then have another round so on. Thank you for this great thread.

Very well said cristycurve. It's great that you share your positive experience with everyone. Like any line of work, you must enjoy the job. If you don't like what you do, it may not be so easy to watch your diets, exercise more...

I hate to admit But before I entered this hobby, I never saw the good in it and sadly I am guilty of believing some of society portrait they've tried to make you out to be. After my life fell apart and enter this world it been nothing but positive. Not only has it help piece back some of my life but it has changed my views in both life and towards you woman. Many of you have offered advice, some have chose to listen. I've gained a bit of confidence in myself. Heck I've never felt so normal in my life.

If your wording in this isn't meant as I'm taking it then I'll apologize for what I have to say, but I find your statement so blaze that it caught me off guard and offended me. She was worthy at her 10 position but know that she is a "shadow" oh well! Surely at the beginning this person must have displayed some evidence of her addition or did her beauty just blind you? I find with some men, and not necessarily you, if a girl is a rocket any other negativities about her will be overlooked and possibly fed, when the beauty is gone well so is the mans desire to be around her, she's used up so time to move on to the next. I see you have tried to help as you said you drove her to a rehab clinic and dealing with addicts is a long difficult struggle but never just an oh well. It is very sad to see anyone fall into despair, drugs or other harmful behaviors but these people are still worthy, beautiful and valuable just in need of help, support and understanding. I think client sp relationships are best kept at the professional level, but that's just my personal opinion .

Boundaries can be blurred for a variety of reasons. Life is complicated and relationships are sometimes complex, including those we have in this industry. While the blurring of boundaries isn't the norm, people are people, and sometimes people meet in this profession and become friends, develop relationships, get married, break up, reach out to each other for help and/or support and genuinely enjoy each others' company. We're all vulnerable, and our hearts are tender. This isn't the only profession where boundaries can be and are sometimes blurred. Any caring type profession has these issues as well (nannies, nurses, care-givers, therapists, doctors, etc.). It's an interesting question for sure, but I doubt you'll get much response. When those boundaries are blurred it really is a privilege and a gift. It should be respected as such. :)

Well I am a newbie to this community and have never been with an SP but have my first encounter booked in a week with a very respected lady from this site and this thread was very helpful in trying to understand what is expected. I could not possibly imagine having an encounter where there is not mutual satisfaction because I know my biggest turn on is pleasuring a woman. There is no greater arousal then knowing the woman is turned on, aroused, pleased and climaxing ... that's what it's all about for me. If I know she is pleased, I am pleased and I'm sure I will enjoy the encounter.

Friday August 6.. was an interesting day. I just had a busy week filled with appts, a large SP gathering followed by a number of duos with a visiting lady from Toronto. After having a good night's sleep and raring to go again, I found myself at my incall location on my computer reading a cerb thread when lo and behold the person who I was reading about called me! While one could consider this a huge coincidence, I knew it was fate. It was one of my favorite clients calling me. His name here is emb3750. I told him that I had just been reading about him when he asked if I was available later that afternoon. He said he would be by later with some wine. Upon his arrival and exchanging plesantries, we went to the room and the temperature quickly rose. While I'm not a girl to kiss and tell I must say he is a true gentlemen who is very passionate with a perfect mix of impeccable orals skills and a great lover to boot. He definitely knows to please! I am always left satisfied and exhausted ( in a good way) when we part. It was by chance that he was able to meet the other ladies Jessi and Angelaofottawa who had just come back from running errands. We decided to have a drink with the other ladies and shoot the breeze for a short period of time before he became enamoured with Jessi. He is a great conversationalist and we had a few laughs. Before we knew it, we found him and Jessi heading off into the GFE room (lol) for more some action. We left them to their privacy and when he emerged an hour later, Angela and I both wondered how many girls in a day could a man see? We could say he is the energizer bunny that keeps going and going. All in all it was an interesting day but one that is not typical. It was an experience that won't soon be forgotten. Thanks Emb3750!:-)