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Good points Cristy, and it goes to the heart of the difference between CERB and certain "review" boards. I think you're right to exclude some types of experiences from this discussion -- health issues, baiting and switching, age issues, fraud, that type of thing. These really do need sharing, just like unsafe clients should be reported. But you'd hope that mere hiccups in an experience would prompt a gentle and private discussion between the client and provider, as it should between any two people who like and respect each other as people. Or maybe the client needs to reflect upon his own contribution to the situation, and could benefit from a few pointers from the provider. Instead, some clients dash off to the nearest computer to post a scathing review for others to see on one of those review boards. Sometimes this is just petty revenge for a minor disappointment. But I think mostly it's done to score points within the culture of those boards, where detachment from, and disdain for providers is encouraged and a power dynamic of "us vs. them" is routinely enforced. In those places, the client is on top because he has the money, and the provider is an anonymous, subservient, essentially dehumanized agent whose sole function is to perform sexual acts in certain ways. The client believes he has purchased the entitlement to a specific set of services performed to some particular (though arbitrary and subjective) standard, and if the provider fails to deliver what he wants as he wants it, he'll issue punishment in the form of a bad 'review'. You can see some of that revealed in the phrase "take one for the team", used when one of those board members visits a new and unknown provider; it's clear who the team is, and she's not on it. So yeah... is it unkind to shout from the rooftops about minor perceived shortcomings of an experience, without trying a simple human discussion and without any consideration for the impact this might have? Absolutely. But kindness would imply acknowledging the other person as an equal who deserves understanding, and is a 'member' of the same 'team', instead of a mere vendor of services and 'meeter of needs'. And that's not something that would be tolerated in certain us-guys-on-top, money-first online communities. CERB draws the line elsewhere. Now granted, the positive-only rule excludes what could sometimes be useful discussion if it was restrained and considerate. But what we gain is not just a generally positive and egalitarian community of clients and providers, but we've remove the elements that would otherwise build an ugly, client-on-top, and plainly misogynistic snakepit where what you describe is the daily norm.

Is giving a thumbs down, or outing someone as a "bad" or a "you should pass on this one guys" provider really beneficial? I'm not talking about the obvious, like people who use stolen pictures, those who are( and this you need proof of) a health risk, those who may be dangerous, or for any other reason that may put someone in jeopardy. I'm talking about things that might be better discussed privately with the said provider, such as poor hygiene, lack of enthusiasm, this might have something to do with their partner, poor skill, etc, or things that someone has no control over, such as their attractiveness. Not everyone in the business is good looking and publicly calling them out on this is mean, if their hygiene is poor, perhaps a private discussion would solve the issue. some people are just not sexually gifted, have skills, but again maybe a private conversation might help to motivate one into improving. My point is, we are all human beings, with feelings and different needs. Just writing someone off for reasons that might be improved with help can't really benefit anyone can it? Yes, its a responsibility of those selling their time to be professional, responsible and hold themselves to a particular standard, but they need to know how in order to do this and if they are lacking wouldn't being helpful and discreetly discussing your issues with them be more beneficial and kind? It just feels so harsh to me to just write someone off so easily. Remember this is a person, your negative comments may ruin them, not only financially but emotionally. Each and every individual deserves a chance, and maybe even a few. Each is irreplaceable, we are not buses, soon as one passes another comes along, which is sometimes how those comments make it seem. So perhaps if next time you meet a new provider, or just a different one and things weren't as you hoped, or for any reason other then the fore mentioned, stop and think- is your negative comment you are about to write really going to help anyone?

The interesting part of this is how the OP landed with an enforcer? If you try to bow out of the appointment and leaving her with some kind of compensation - there shouldn't be any 3rd person in the room to intervene. If the lady took offense to this and had her bodyguard/enforcer involved - well it sure does look like a bait and switch to me. I don't think CERB policy is at 100% protecting the lady or not reviewing them. There is section in each city for dangerous encounter. When you are not sure - PM the "mod" ask for his take and if you should post it or not - cause trust me if there is a 3rd person intervention during an encounter while you are not being offensive/abusive and just trying to bow out graciously - I classify this is as dangerous; also bait and switch.

So if CERB is strictly a recommendation site and we can't post negative ( but truthful) info on here then where can we post that type of info ? Reason I ask is because I very recently seen a girl who has had adds posted on this as well as other sites. Her pics are at least 10 years old and 40 lbs lighter. Her age is not truthful (not even close) and other info posted is not accurate at all. Also landed with her body guard / enforcer but he got a bit of a shock when he met me lol. This is not a bait and switch scam. Pics are really her but not a recent or truthful portrait of what your about to meet. I am also not sure of the intentions of these two if I hadn't been the size of a man I am and have worked in an industry where I know how to handle myself and deal with that type of situation . Also I am not responding to a 100 inbox messages asking for details. If I can't post it on a site for the betterment of all members then that's SAD .

This is a very thorny issue. Firstly, you imply that there are "sneaky" negative comments that have managed to be posted on this board. I would say they are few and far between. People have learned that those are caught out pretty quickly. IMO there are a lot more shills in the rec section than "hidden" negative comments. The problem here is that when someone writes a recommendation, you are essentially asking for a critique. However the value of that critique is diminished if you can only say positive things. I don't think I have had very many experiences in my life that were 100% positive. There is always something that could have been better. The value of a true critique is that someone can improve their service to make it better. If that is something they want to do. So we have the situation here where clients don't write recs, and we get threads like the one this past week, that call their motives into question. A thread the mod had to shut down. Of course as mentioned before any place that allows negative comments is going to get the trolls and others who revel in complaining. Just look at any other review site, like Trip Advisor, restaurant rating sites etc. etc. They get their share of trolls and shit disturbers, but the real reviews give important information not only to other potential customers, but to the person or persons being reviewed. They get feedback that can help them improve their service. The choice for the provider is to take the valid criticism and address it to fix a problem, or to ignore it, get defensive, go on the attack. They can react positively or negatively. The point is that IMO frankly discussing or giving a valid critique with negative points, can be beneficial. But it can also result in more negativity. This board chose to allow no negative comments, and I think it has been fairly successful. I don't think any negative comments that may be hidden were put there by the trolls and people trying to stir the pot. It takes time and thought to do something like that, things that are in short supply in trolls. If there is a "sneaky' negative comment on this board I think it is most likely would have some validity, and a wise person would take it to heart.

The first thing to do is communicate well during the appointment. Maybe she's forgotten some of your favourite details. No problem; bring up the topic of the missing bits with a smile and a laugh, and guide her and the session on the course you had discussed. If you haven't established friendly, positive back-and-forth communication with your provider, then that's your first problem right there. Then again maybe there's some reason why, now that the moment is upon you both, she doesn't really feel comfortable following through. Again, communication during the session is key. Raise the subject in a friendly way to make sure she hasn't forgotten, and if she's not comfortable with X, work together to find another way to have fun that works for both of you. But ultimately, if all of your discussions to resolve the problem fail, then you need to remember that the contract between the client and provider is solely for time spent together in which things will probably happen, but there's never a guarantee. She's a human being, not a vending machine; your money gives you no claim over her body. So all of those details you discussed are requests, but there's never an ironclad guarantee they'll be fulfilled. If you ultimately aren't satisfied with a session, and your conversation with the provider hasn't resolved that to your satisfaction, then just don't go back. Chasing after your money with "but you didn't do X! Give me Y dollars back!" is crass and fruitless. And, last of all: don't compare sex work to other industries. The comparison is always misleading when it comes to these types of up-close human interactions. Your SP is not your mechanic.

I have seen 3 of their ladies and they are all great. Elise is definitely one of the BEST lady I ever spend time with.

At the risk of sounding a little harsh, I think a fair review is just that. And it is up to the reader to interpret and take away what they will from any review. Compare this to any other review system. There are always going to be people who will twist their reviews to the negative based on personal preferences that will mean nothing to most people. Then again, there may be some critical information that didn't come across in the ad (sorry ladies, and believe me I think you are all fabulous, but you don't ALL have a technique that is different and better from every other provider on the planet, the nicest cleanest incall, etc.). From a very much newbie hobbiest's point of view, this is a very expensive hobby (and you are very much worth it) but if a bit of information, and I DO NOT mean a personal attack here, lets me be confident that I am approaching the right person for the service that is best for me, that is very important to me. This is the nature of a public service industry, and some people may not be cut out for it. I would recommend putting as much info as possible in your ads, link reviews you want potential customers to see so we don't go searching and find Mr. Pettyman's rant on another board, and a big one, if your concerned about being knocked on looks, include multiple pics so the person reading the ad can see for themselves and not get some guy with unrealistic expectations giving his 2 cents...

I think if you are pointing out a part of experience that is advertised but never actually happen its not a negative comment. And I completely agree with the part it should be pointed out - Trust me; I believe in credibility review more than recommendation only as canuckhooker said - some of the recommendation are just shills... But how do one know if this happen to all the clients without anyone is able to speak up. Hence this is few things that could be looked at and discussed in civilized manner and benefit everyone. You highlighted the point really well "none of us respond to criticism well." But common sense is not really that common, quickest assumption would say based on the last review things might have changed and this providers is now have completely changed the experience. Sex and go is part of the industry - major part. I do not dismiss the fact; but if you are looking for a sex and go; did you get off? Then her part is done. Shouldn't you ask what is provided in the beginning? And back to that if a provider advertised something but not following up then it back to your first point; is it something negative or just false advertising or maybe YMMV? Without being able to review - this will always be a grey area shaded with uncertainty hence it will be taken as negative. Take it to the other board; let it go rampage over there - CERB is not the place. I never said I stuck only to CERB. Does not mean I don't find it distasteful as most of the negative review I've seen is more bashing rather than commenting for constructive.

It's a mute point as negative comments aren't allowed here. So you must be referring to other Boards. Peace MG

WriteOn, the answer is yes, a lady has the right to offer or refuse her services to whoever she chooses, based on whatever criteria she chooses. Be it age, gender, hygiene, number of dimples, favourite sports team, and yes, even race, it is always her choice to make. Whether or not you or I or anyone approve of her reasons is completely irrelevant. It is her body, plain and simple. And the comparison of a lady to a grocery store is just...wrong.

I write this because I'm sure the MA's days are filled with great times and some bad times. Here's hoping the 'great times' are far more frequent!!!! Had a session with a ruffled MA because of their previous client. Not worried all was calmer is a few minutes with some kindness, assurances and being considerate and respectful of her plight. In the end, we were both very relaxed and thanked each other for a wonderful time and many more repeated visits. In times like this I am reminded of a story told to me by a dear female friend; Two stallions are under the shade of a tree on the top of a hill over looking a group of mares. The younger stallion says to the other; "Let's run down there as fast as we can, jump on a mare and fuck her brains out!" The other stood up and said "No my son! Let's walk down there calmly and fuck them all" Anyone can be an a$$hole and idiotic. It takes real strength and intelligence to be a kind, and polite gentleman. That in itself has it own rewards and gratifications.

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Lets be honest, things happen at times in our second life that we lead (clients and companions) and sometimes things are out of our reach. I can say I have had a few clients over the years that have disappeared for when our date was to happen. Days later I heard from them with an explanation of what happened. Real people sincere people provide answers, maybe not today - but in a few days. I am sorry you were stood up, however I think this post could have been avoided or at least you could have waited a few days before posting as if she is as Reputable as you say, her name is her business and if something in life happened, once she is able too she will contact you. How hobbying is a secret in mens lives it is the same for most ladies as well and sometimes you just cant get to your phone. NO Shows piss me off to no end, however real life is a priority and not every person that no shows does it on purpose, I say give her the benefit of the doubt.

There are some SPs who will promise anything to get you in the door and get your money in hand. But there are some things an SP might have a hard time delivering on after promising, sight unseen. DFK is one. I love to kiss, but DFK, to some people, seems to mean something I'd be more likely to describe as tonsil tasting or attempting to discern what I had for breakfast. Think of it yourself. You love DFK, but when you meet, you discover that your SP, while being clean and not having bad breath, simply doesn't have a taste or a style of kissing that works for you. People don't kiss to satisfy terms of a contract, but to explore, arouse and be intimate with another person. That's why I never feel comfortable being put on the spot to agree to such terms, sight unseen. I've always been skittish, and more quick to write someone off than to push for a sale (and I've only gotten worse with age, I know), but that's something to consider when communicating with an SP beforehand: some are working hard at selling, and others are working hard at identifying who will be a good match. I suspect you'll get your best service from the latter, if she chooses you. But too, I suspect that, like me, such SPs will be put off by someone who wants them to commit to too much, sight unseen. I recommend you only dive into "hammering out the details" of a contract if it's absolutely essential to you. And make it clear that you will not pay if it doesnt happen. But don't be surprised if many SPs wish you well and send you on your way.

Just spent a nice session with none other than Elle (formerly at T2T and EH) at Paradise Spa. She was spectacular, beautiful, sincere, cute, a great person to spend time with. I've wanted to see her since her escorting days and never managed to get together due to bad timing. She's strictly a MPA now and I respect her for the switch and did not ask nor expect any extras. She oozed sensuality and our time together just flew by. I came out relaxed and can't wipe the stupid grin off my face lol. Finally, a true replacement for the dearly departed Jordyn in terms of looks and service. Treat her well guys. I'm going to wish she comes out of SP-retirement but for now this will be my happy reality. Paradise and Angels have been on a huge roll as of late. I can't wait to see the next girl on my TDL... :)

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For me an encounter isn't a case of was it one hundred percent positive, ninety percent positive sixty percent positive well you get the idea. My recommendations are about telling about seeing a lady and that I had a good time with her. No sliding scale percentage wise of how good, just that I had a good time with her. One thing about the recommendations I write, the encounter to me had a intangible value far exceeding the donation I paid the lady. All the ladies, every one, is beautiful. Their beauty deserves to be appreciated, especially since they are with you alone intimately. Their looks should not be assessed by men on how to improve. Who are we men to even judge these ladies on their looks. Those who do might want to take a look in the mirror, or have the ladies assess their looks. And none of the ladies I see criticize me for being a bald, middle aged, overweight man. They appreciate me for the man I am. And criticizing a lady after an encounter...well do any such criticizers (reviewers) ever look in the mirror. An encounter is about two people, of which the reviewer is one. Maybe his actions or inactions contributed to the poor encounter. But with a review any failure of an encounter is borne completely by the woman. And that failure could mean loss of self respect, loss of income, possibly her livelihood gone. Even with the few (very few) poor dates I've had I understood there were two of us in the room, maybe (but not likely ;-) ) I contributed to the poor date. If there were things in the date that need improving, either contact the lady privately and let her know, that would be respectful. Or just don't have another encounter with her Finally one last thing. Some people on here talk about reviews. CERB is not a review board. CERB is a recommendation board. Here on CERB positive recommendations are allowed, reviews are not. This is covered under the Rules and FAQ section which should have been read when you joined A rambling RG

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Have a funny story about this. I came into Barb's to meet a regular one afternoon and ended up sitting about 15 feet in front of the young lady. She texted me about 10 min. after I sat down asking if I was still coming. I texted back saying that I was right in front of her. Turns out she had forgotten her contact lenses and could only see 5 feet in front of her. I still tease her about it. -Alg

With gusto, at times. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e3_1329678979

Two men are charged with running a brothel out of two Winnipeg hotels. The men, aged 42 and 28, allegedly targeted young women and coerced them into working as escorts. Police said between August and October 2013, the two men arranged for customers to attend local hotel rooms where sexual acts were performed by the recruited females, in exchange for an agreed upon amount of money. On one occasion, one of the men assaulted one of the women, hitting her and causing non-life threatening injuries, police said. The prostitution operation was run from a series of hotel rooms between August and October 2013, police said. The men were arrested Oct. 1. The 42-year-old has been charged with living off the avails of prostitution, keeping a common bawdy house, assault with a weapon and three counts of breach of probation. The 28-year-old has been charged with living off the avails of prostitution, keeping a common bawdy house and two counts of breach of probation. They have been detained in custody. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/men-charged-operating-brothel-winnipeg-hotels-163414666.html?grcc2=eac32e3e0da9ec550dab7cd84e742482%7E1381033925398%7E494d6e560c95708877ba0eff211c02f3%7E89204fdc24a6593e009e9a87ffbfe81e%7E1381033260000%7E598%7E64%7E0%7E0%7E0%7E-1%7E-1%7E-1%7E2%7E64%7E34%7EH4sIAAAAAAAAAIWQu27kMAxFfyX-AGlIPSgx3WKrrQepA40sPxYe2bCVBGn47fEGWwUIAnaXBxfkmVrbHi-XnHQtb4d-T9O66rzeL6JidD4CgfMWIqP3Nsj0HX4vVeUp7WPp1bqVPbW5juq2r20qi3qba523MqppbWU5FJJ16IhIT-2-iCERz1EMgBPHrqfiCTL7ADGGcEtQhsEgZjCD_RkQOeZW_vSP0TITBmI0zkU2bOk5p_uW5rGeaxWZLAAihWgioA-eBf7P07V7qmdN_3BtqZWjcxC760ut769pKV2E0NmgnTl7qVNojAYI7jPnE-Xu9y_xEEq5ISRP1OPQO0Z76gxkMHIOWThqtKyRQfsgx9-MKm0znDfpbV97Pe6vMqTlKPJp-vmf9PMDOUpu81q_pPIBrpKM080BAAA

Well I would read the ad and go..... hmmmm...she has a reason for this and perhaps there is a particular experience that has caused her to reign in and focus on her preferences on who she wants to meet or she is racist woman. Either way I would promptly move on and forget about that shit because it is her life and I don't fit in to her life preferences obviously. Cause I am white.

"what do you mean you wont see me because i am a leafs fan?!?" lol

my very first massage experience way back in the day from a woman not here on cerb had this happen lol. her breasts were very large and there was alot of oil involved... away she went. it was REALLY hard not to laugh lol

I agree with a lot that has been said here but I would like to point out one thing that I find very interesting. Is denying a service based on race different than being a store owner and having a sign on the door "Whites Only"? Honestly I don't think so. Is offering sexual services very different? Yes it is. But how is it less racist to deny a service or selling a product based on race? Does the SP have the right to offer her services based on race? Well, does the store owner? Let's say they legalize Prostitution, would it be legal then? How about a RMT, can he or she advertise "White Only"?

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I dont see the big deal here, as do many others. I make my picks based on my preferences, and why shouldn't the ladies have the prerogative to select their clientele. If excluding a type of client helps in their screening process in the early stages, then where is the harm? Getting groceries is hardly a personal and intimate activity... a useless comparison. Cat made several excellent points and reasons why an SP might exclude a race.... So...No....it's not just racism, not plain to me, and not simple...it just may not be racism at all

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I have to agree with Cat on this... i am also the kind of person that would not agree to an specific or promise things that I may not deliver. .. I also believe like cat that every encounter is different and I like to let things take its own course... I like to meet the person and also discover through out the session what my visitor likes and enjoys in the massage session. But I also do my best to try and remember previous communication with the person to make sure that if any special requests are made and I have agreed I don't leave them out.

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Whoa. There's too many other reasons why some request might go unfulfilled for this to be the first or most "likely" reason. It's not that this never happens; but let's not jump there as a first reflex. But otherwise I agree with your points.

I'm sorry to hear about your unhappy situation. As others have said, pretty much everyone goes through this more than once, so I can imagine your despair. The details don't really matter if you don't want to share them. There are lots of common "wrong ways" to express affection -- jealousy, attempts to control, that kind of stuff. They're the 'dark side' of how we sometimes act when we care for someone, born out of fear we might lose them. My instinct is to warn you, though, that if you're in a lot of emotional pain and yearning to replace what you've lost, then seeing SPs might not be the best course of action for you right now. One of the big hazards as a sex work client is confusing the nature of your relationship with the provider, and based on what you're looking for and your state of mind, you're in a prime position to make that mistake. Talk to some friends. Talk out the situation here in public if you like. If it's really bad, find a professional therapist. But unless you're very sure you can keep a level head, I'd save the paid companionship for later, once you're healing and on the upswing.

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate, but is racism actually happening here? I too have my ethnic/cultural preferences in who I want to pay to see. Would one call that discrimination or racism or just selective purchasing? So, I assume the SP has the same right of choice as do I. For an SP, that same right of choice is just labelled as racism? Is my understanding correct?

I have never outed myself, nor do I intend to. There are 3 people outside of CERB that know what I do. For a lot of very important reasons. The most important being my family. For one, this would be the cruelest thing I could do to my Mother. The hurt would be as if I had cut out her heart because of her personality and religious beliefs. And while she is my best friend, this is one secret she doesn't need to know. Why would I do that to her? My very best friend knows and only very recently. She actually surprised me with her reaction (or lack thereof). She had a lot of questions because of her concern and the fact that she knows so little of this industry. I was upfront and honest reassuring her that the mainstream stereotypes she thought were fact were in fact not. Discretion is a two way street, and I expect no less from my guests. Since I see some very high profile and recognizable Gents not on CERB (Ottawa is not that big) there is rarely any divulging, even between my SP friends. Who I see is my business, their business and no one else's. It would be unrealistic to say that we don't share on occasion but these are women in the industry that I trust. My public life is mine and not relevant to what I do. Given my friend base I suspect I would lose some friends simply because of attitudes. I do not feel it is up to me to change that as I love them just the way they are.

Perhaps I missed the Cerb memo where the ladies needed someone to come to their rescue & you were elected saviour of the downtrodden, but dude, enough already. Because personally, as a smart articulate woman who can fully advocate for herself, I find your attitude & posts incredibly patronizing. That said, I have a whole other issue to address. This entire post makes me uncomfortable for reasons that have nothing to do with it's tone. Firstly, it reeks of a fishing expedition on how to run an agency & I feel reads like an SP or Agency/Spa discussing an Escort Industry problem. Because why does a photographer need to know the ins & outs of how to reduce the number of no shows? Again, why is this so important to you? Respectfully, if you ask questions here, you will get answers. Whether or not you like them is immaterial. This is a public forum with strong opinions from intelligent people. No one is trying to be mean, they are simply being honest & sharing their thoughts. If you have something informative, why not post it here if it is so awesome? But just because folks disagree with you does not mean that anyone is twisting stories, taking things out of context or that your posts are considered useless. I find them incredibly useful for my main bone of contention: your lack of discretion in implying that professional secert keepers are sharing info with you, followed by YOU cryptically sharing it here. I have 2 photographers that are also friends. They know my real name, address, phone number & personal details of my life. If I were to read a post such as this from either of them, I would be beyond incensed. And they would no longer be trusted. They would, however, be in every SP only area in which I participate as a warning to other ladies not to engage their services. You may wish to consider this when you read again how you have spoken out of school in reference to your clients. And since you feel that the reco is of such paramount importance that it MUST be written, know this, also, please: by alluding to the fact that SPs are talking to you, complaining, whatever, you are, without proof, quietly & perhaps irrevocably, casting aspersions as to the character & discretion of ladies you have seen. This alone may cost them more in terms of clients, money & reputation than any reco or lack thereof. In my mind, a sincere apology is rarely followed by a comment like this. The fact of the matter is: you got a lot of answers. Also a fact: you just don't like any of them. Fact: not a Cerb problem. Also fact: seems it's only yours. Sandi Sorry I posted in the wrong thread. I reposted in the correct one but will also leave this here. It applies to both, I feel. Thanks. S

Just wondering where your recommendations are that you have written? Your lines make you sound like a pimp and not a professional photographer, I shoot with one of the best and at NO time has he EVER asked about my business or reviews, that is just wrong. Your job is too shoot photos not start gossip about some girls whining. Tips and reccos are not expected, however they are appreciated when one does not feel guilted into doing either. Just because people don't wrote anything does not mean they had a good or a bad time, it is their preference not to write anything. Stop judging others until you can judge yourself.

We do not have the ability to delete comments from our threads. Don't feel sorry for my mother. She is not to be pitied. I pointed her out as an example that not everyone finds it easy to write things. An inability to write IS an excuse. I think you need to accept that not everyone thinks it's so easy to write something. You don't know everything. Neither do I. So please, stop telling other people what to do. No one likes that - I think the comments in that thread are making that quite clear. You're not doing anything to help these girls right now. Some of my regulars have never written a review for me - and if I'd found out someone gave them shit for that, I would be mortified. Something your SP tells you in private should have been kept in private, not turned into a lecture to other members of this site.

No one is saying the girls don't need recs. What we're saying is... not everyone wants to write them. And that's fine. A lot of men LOVE to write them, and I know I love receiving them. But I don't resent the clients who don't write them, and I would never want them to feel they HAD to write one. It wouldn't make me feel good about getting that rec, that's for sure. Cerb provides a lot of different things for a lot of different people... there's no right or wrong way (unless you're breaking the rules of course). Every client is different, and I for one like that :)

I understand the concept of what you are saying......but There are thousands of members on here Thumper. We come from all walks of life with different personalities. Writing recco's does not suit the comfort levels of some hobbyists or words don't flow well from some. Respect that. Also keep in mind that some members come here to message or chat with ladies directly to get to know them, have fun and at the end of the day book dates and get nekkid as a Jaybirds...... and rarely read reccos. I am one of those guys. I do leave a tip or do something generous in my own little way.

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I like to leave it to my visitor. ... I will greet acompany the gentleman to the room,offer a shower before so that they can freshen up... at that point some gentlemen would ask me to join them for the shower or they will just take ut on their own.... Sometimes gentlemen want me to help them undress and start all the fun and sometimes they rather do it on their own, in those cases I leave the room and let the gentlemen get comfortable To me it does nit really matter , my goal is always to make the visit comfortable and enjoyable to the other person.. if my visitor is comfortable I will be comfortable and will make for a goid experience foe both :)

Its the one where you hear the 'BEEP', 'BEEP', 'BEEP'....sound.

I have gone on some of the erb sites you mention, and I hate the crap they post. I weep for the ladies who they are referring to, because no matter how thick your skin is, it always hurts to hear that type of negative talk. There is no need for it. I am glad there are no erb sites for the maritimes. I am so glad that cerb exists.

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