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JoyfulC, I understand where you're coming from, but I think the stigmatization of clients has another effect that we aren't taking into consideration here. When clients are stigmatized, and we don't fight that stigma, it can (and does) lead to their criminalization. There are lots of 'John sweeps' happening in Canada and they don't always happen in the context of outdoor/visible sex work. In Canada we seem to be moving towards a model of regulation that would criminalize the clients of sex workers, but not the sex workers themselves (known as the 'Swedish' model, because this is the system that exists in a lot of Nordik countries). It's easy to criminalize clients if society thinks they're 'gross' (etc). That's another reason why I think it's important to destigmatize clients...

I have had the pleasure to meet Clarissa on a couple of occasions and would highly recommend her. From the moment I walked into the room with her I felt welcomed and appreciated. Clarissa is a petite sexy lady with an amazing body and a desire to ensure that you enjoy every minute in her presence. Clarissa is engaging and funny and treats you like you are the only man in the world. It is very obvious that she know what she is doing and enjoys her time with you. I guarantee you that once you have met her you will want to see her again.

Considering the recent discussions here on CERB about fat/skinny body shaming, I wanted to share this amazing website that I came across today! "The Nu Project is a series of honest nudes of women from all over the world. The project began in 2005 and has stayed true to the original vision: no professional models, minimal makeup and no glamour. The focus of the project has been and continues to be the subjects and their personalities, spaces, insecurities and quirks." It is quite a remarkable collection of photographs of a wide variety of real women. It is a showcases and celebrates the beauty in ALL women's bodies, in their natural state. All unique and beautiful in their own way! :) www.thenuproject.com Enjoy!

I think this is an appropriate thread to share this on... Now, I enjoy looking at pictures of women as much as the next person (as anyone who follows the various image threads probably knows!) but it's good every so often to have a reminder about what is sometimes taking place with those images, especially in popular media. A lot of us have probably seen similar stories, but this 1 minute video really drives home the manipulation happening to showcase a particular (and near unattainable) idealized view of the female body, and the importance of reminding oneself of the variety of real beauty out there. http://www.upworthy.com/see-why-we-have-an-absolutely-ridiculous-standard-of-beauty-in-just-37-seconds

Just came to read this thread for the first time and... OUCH people! Wow is all i can say to some of these responses. I used to regularly offer 15-minute encounters when I started in the industry. A lot of guys liked it as a 'quick introduction' and would book longer the next time. They NEVER made me feel cheapened or like cum dumpster. I don't offer them regularly anymore (I don't really offer anything less than an hour) because I personally prefer longer encounters - but I would never, EVER judge someone for wanting a quick release. And I definitely would never demean a woman for offering it. If you need more than 15 minutes, great! You're in a place where many ladies specialize in longer encounters. The 'full experience' so to speak. But some guys can only afford a quick bj. Or maybe their SO is watching their time so really that's all they can fit in. ANd maybe the SP needs to money to pay her rent. If it doesn't work for you, then find what works - but why in the world are people judging and saying things like 'Okay great, glad to see people don't want these encounters'. All you're doing in insulting the people who DO, and the girls who DO offer them. And you know what? I do have one regular gent who pops in when he can for a quick BJ. I like it. He walks in, I get on my knees, and I get him off. Do you think that cheapens me? If you do, I shake my head at you, seriously. I thought this site was the place to keep it to yourself if you're not saying anything nice... well judging and insulting others for their choice of encounters is doing the exact opposite.

Not a surprising resolution, given what the throne speech had. Point 3), as stated, as elements of what the socialist party in France seems to be proposing, re. Targeting clients.

It's one thing to frame a resolution during a party convention, and quite another to actually create and enact legislation. My thinking is that nothing will happen until the court proceedings are over with, and even then I am not sure this will be a major policy priority. With all the other scandals and fires burning, I can't see this being front-and-centre for the Cons. I've been known to be wrong, though.

I did it all.... masturbated, snuggled with dogs, listen to my fav CD, did something good for another person, cried then had a tea:) Now glass of Pinot Girgio:) Thanks everyone, your so awesome!!!

Take a deep breath..and sit back.. take a break have some -me- time. Crying Feeling the blues.. is not a sign of weakness, sometimes it is a sign that you have been trying to be strong for too long.

It's taken a long time, and I still have some work to do, but learning to say "no" has saved me much time, money and aggravation: No, I won't help you paint your house No, I won't help you move No, you can't borrow $50 No, my schedule is full, I can't take on any new projects No, I do not want to mega-size my order No, I don't want to help a Nigerian prince with his $300 million inheritance No, those pants do not make you look fat No, don't stop!

I am most passionate about helping others when and where I can! Volunteering gives me great joy and I would say that is my number one passion. Nothing makes my life more fulfilling than helping others! I volunteer a lot with organizations dedicated to brain injury survivors, and when I meet each new person who is living with a brain injury whether traumatic or acquired, it reminds me to be grateful for my own life, family, and friends. Excellent topic! Xoxo

It is an event where the best to wear is what you are comfortable with... There is no such a thing as dress Code... just come have fun and enjoy a great time with friends that is what really matters :)

I too used to have a problem saying no, but after being used over and over, I have come to the realization that saying no isn't a bad thing. Not everyone is worthy or deserving of aide so I pick and choose who I give to more carefully. As far as refusing a client, if I have to for my own good then I don't feel bad, but if I have to refuse a client because I don't have an opening or time, I do feel bad. But we all have to do what we must:)

This, according to a combination of observed data and mathematical simulation, is the structure of matter in our universe -- the way mass is distributed throughout space on the very, very large scale. It's not uniform and boring; instead it's made up of unthinkably enormous filaments and clumps: This isn't a picture of the whole universe, just the small fraction that the project was able to work on and simulate. And each of those individual pixels of light? they're not stars. Each one is a GALAXY.

Please excuse my tardy response....was with my little one. I will post a real rec later tonight when I have more time....because...welll y'all gotta a wait....lol....and for all the English teachers in the room....I don't care cause my brains are still scrambled. .....and toes curled. ......(Cleo knows for anyone feeling like asking) never felt more alive and ready to contribute more to this group. Who doesn't love a girl who likes challenges... (wink...wink):-) Happy Halloween everyone......best ever for me! Additional Comments: I couldn't leave without giving a big high five to the other one for the healthy push and recommendation. Thanks again RNH Additional Comments: FUKN RGHT Cleo for Prime Minister.....

Most won't care, as it's clear from his post what he meant and the main person-Cleo- who he was thanking knows what he means so.. I think it's sweet and very nice of him to post such a truthful and flattering post. We all make spelling boboo's but we all don't thank one another enough;) Congrats to you for popping your hobby cherry and to Cleo for making it so memorable:)

Well for me gitters (or nervousness, excitement, heart pounding whatever adjectives you want to use) are all part of an encounter. If I felt no nervousness and excitement, well frankly whats the point Whether for a first time encounter or seeing a lady who is a friend for a repeat encounter I'm always excited and nervous, my hearts pounding The day that doesn't happen for me is the day I no longer see companions thats all part of encounters RG

Years ago, as a young woman in my 20s, I was standing in the packing area at a drop zone, talking to some people I didn't know. One person noted that I had a pager (we didn't have cell phones way back when), and asked me what I did for a living that I needed to carry a pager. I replied that I was a call girl. Everybody laughed and wanted to know what I really did. So I said I was an obstetrician and I was on-call. They readily bought that. Another time, a jumper's wife made a rare visit to the DZ one weekend, and was talking with us girls. At some point, we found ourselves alone and she had questions about E, another jumper. Her husband had told her that there was a prostitute jumping at the DZ, and she assumed it was E. E did her hair and applied make-up in the morning at the DZ. E wore sexy clothing and even a sexy jumpsuit. She was flirtatious. You should have seen her face when I explained that E worked for one of the hospitals in Toronto, and I was the prostitute. No one hates the damned stigmas more than I do, but I also recognize that they protect us. I don't really look or act like what people expect a prostitute to look like or act like, except when I'm in a session. My customers don't look like what most people expect customers to look like. This allows us to walk free, with invisibility cloaks, unseen and unbothered by those who might bother us if they were able to see us. Perhaps for single customers, it's more important to be able to come out and not be negatively judged for using the services of. Most of the men I've entertained over the years have been married men, men in position of trust in the businesses or communities, and for them, complete secrecy was probably more important than feeling understood by society. We know the stigma is way wrong. And we know that stigmas often are way wrong. Isn't that good enough? Many of us have had people in our lives who knew who we were, and I think we've been able to challenge some notions on a person-by-person basis. But hey! We're up against Hollywood.

I find that this picture below (from FB) does not belong to the " Funny Pictures", or " ..Lol Cat..." or " Puppies" thread, or any existing threads for that matter. It is cute, interesting, endearing and heart-warming. This thread should capture some incredible and interesting pictures you may find in the cyber space.

Happy Birthday theliquor, hope you enjoy your day!

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY xo

I think of blue days as good days. On those days, I cry often; feel distant from others; my mind, heart and/or body feels very sad. For me, blue days are for finding a window inside my mind with the sun shining in. A time for introspection; how I can truer to myself. A day of getting to know me better so that I can better serve myself and those of the community. I always try to find the positive view. A blue day could turn into blue sky...just depends on what window you decide to look out of. :)

A witch appears to be screaming out into space in this new image of the Witch Head nebula from NASA's Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, released on Halloween:

Could be just the rain, dark sky and shorter days. I've never tried it but have heard good things said about light therapy:

Happy Birthday My Dear Sweet Friend! You stay positive, treat yourself well and be a little naughty with whatever you feel like, today and the next ones to come. You know you are always in my heart, prayers and I'm overjoyed to be writing this post. Cheers my Friend!! Big Birthday Hugs, Kisses and Licks!! Lexy

Happy birthday ... hope you are having a good one.

trying to post my add. hopefully this works. Working until 5:00 pm tonight, or until cherry get here anyways. Last night was a hit, lots costumes were here and I have the pis to prove it. But you wont get to see them for a little bit :P Working is Bells corners as I do. phone number is...613.820.8887 looking forward to having a little ol' you and a little ol' me time today :) YOURS, Salina <3

Happy BIrthday !!!!! hope things are going well xoxo

Yes! A lingerie post. I love pretty, intricate, two piece lace sets from Fredricks Spurst BabyGirlBoutique What I have my eye on

Happy birthday! I hope you have a great day!

The end of daylight savings time.....here comes the shorter days and miserable weather....doesn't it kinda seem like we just recently got past the longest winter ever??:frown:

Elaine is a legit, indy. Petite, slender, well maintained. Her location is OK for convenience and discrete enough. She has a massage table set up in what looks like a breakfast nook. Her style is soothing, smooth and sensual. The emphasis is on relaxation and not on karate chops or spinal alignment. She has a soft, light touch and her two hands never stop moving and tracing over your skin. Additional Comments: Oops, I should clarify that I meant "legit" in the sense of not being a scam, and honestly getting what you paid for. Not in the sense of therapeutic or insurance receipt

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY BIG BIG LOVE!! Hope you have the very best B'day:) xoxoox

Nope.....I have no problem saying no... Peace MG

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Happy Birthday the liquor.... May you have a wonderful day....

My very best wishes on your birthday, theliquor. Stay strong! Best, toine

May your day be extra special and filled with love, happiness, great friends and family. Enjoy -big birthday hugs and kisses:)

Happy Birthday, and all the best to you throughout the year!

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Testing 123 Testing Yes, Brad, that fixed it - thanks so much! Thanks Jabba - I did re-boot, but that didn't fix it. Cerb is the best - Happy Halloween!

no matter how many mins your buying it still takes the lady the same amount of time to get prepared. Be it 15 (oops sorry this thread is for 20) or be it 60. So pay the hour and stay 15 I mean 20. Wink

No worries PM sent.

I agree with that statement. See: "irony". Also, call the above "Quote A". I think people have been saying that the women on CERB are a better-known quantity, that's all. In particular, the ladies here are active amongst a persistent public community and you have a chance to get to know them over time from their posting history and forum interactions. It's a rather long stretch to get from there to "GOOD vs. BAD" which, though I'm not going to read through the whole thread again, I don't think anybody has actually said (except you, there, just now). I don't have a problem with people seeking specific services. I do that sometimes myself. There's absolutely nothing wrong with expressing a specific desire in advance. The dispute centers around how one responds when the provider expresses, for any of a thousand possible reasons that may be important to her at the time, a disinclination to perform some intimate act with you once the session is underway. And THERE's the problem. The SP always has final discretion in the intimate service she chooses to provide. And you cannot know the SPs mind, or what might be compelling for her at a given moment or in a given situation. And yet look at your sweeping statements I've bolded above. Now, go back and read "Quote A". Yeah.

It's a good point -- but I think that in every case the high-profile figure is cheapened and tarnished by the association. He drops a couple of rungs down the ladder. It's just that his other obvious assets of money or power are strong enough to keep him pretty high despite this. In essence, "he's rich but suffers from a sad compulsion." More generally, and not really directed at your specific post: So why are men stigmatized in the first place when found out to be sex work clients? It's because of that central role sex has in the historical, conservative underpinnings of our culture: it's one of the primary currencies for measuring people's level of success. - Men who are accomplished are "supposed to" have easy access to sex being offered from adoring women who respond to his success and power. If he doesn't have that, then he must not be successful. And if he's paying for it, he must not have any other access to it -- there's something wrong with him. - Women are expected to hold their sex in reserve as precious currency to secure marriage. If she's spending it too freely, she's cheapened; and worse, if she's selling it, she must be desperate, like pawning irreplaceable heirlooms. These ideas look silly spelled out like that, but they really do hold powerful, often unspoken yet deeply held authority in our sexually conflicted culture. Plus, what exposure do most people have to the industry? Only the media's portrayal, which condemns it with one hand (sex! exploitation! desperation!) at the same time it uses the sexual allure to draws viewers with its titillating side ("Look at those fishnet stockings! Tsk tsk. ...mmmm..."). It's hard to blame people who have nothing else to go on. I think the thing I'd say to try to address the stigma is EXACTLY what Nathalie did so wisely in her first post: "these are the very same guys you know in your own life, and there's nothing wrong with them. It's not the clients (or SPs) that are faulty; it's your own ideas about sex and sex work."

I deleted my original response because although I feel strongly about the subject and stand by my statements, I'm not interested in a debate and I feel this discussion is taking away from my original post, which was a link to a positive website with a lot of natural and beautiful naked women. www.thenuproject.com

Ahhh, the ?tipping? debate! I noticed there was a decided void in SP response so I will take a minute to share my thoughts? From an agency girl perspective, tipping is often a way to generate extra income because after they pay the agency and the driver, they usually end up on the short end of the stick. 10 years ago, I ran for an agency, we collected $260 for an hour, with $110 going to the house, $40-$100 to the driver depending on where the visit was located, which left me maximum of $110 with as little as $10 in my pocket. With a $15 book on fee and mandatory car cell phone fees of $25 per night, I needed 3 full fees per night to make working worthwhile, God forbid I get credit card calls, which somehow always worked out us getting nothing. We were not allowed to refuse a call so we had to find creative ways to ensure we were paid. Tipping for extra service was the only way to keep our heads above water. The nice thing was that we had a shift, we worked, and we went home and had a life. That said, it was unfair to the guest who would end up with less than what he expected because he was not prepared for the extra fees. Independents are in a slightly different boat. We usually have a higher upfront fee, but we also assume ALL the costs incurred, which is far more than many realize. If we charged what we feel we should to get our ROI, the protests would be heard long and loud. Many Indies have a smaller bottom line than an ambitious girl at a well run agency. So when it comes to tips, many things need to be considered. In the south, SP's are tipped much in the same manner as a restaurant. Anyone walking a restaurant wouldn?t consider walking out without leaving a tip if everything was satisfactory. I tip everyone in the service industry, from the girl who washes my hair, to the man at Suny?s who pumps my gas because a little bit from many adds up at the end of the day. Flowers and trinkets are lovely in thought, but a girl can?t deposit wilted stems into an RRSP, and my bank doesn?t seem to take dildos, massage oil, garter belts or silk stockings on deposit -go figure! As Joyful C has so wisely stated, most SP?s live a fragile existence financially. We provide an illusion of playful luxury for our guests benefit, but rest assured, 90% of the time it is smoke and mirrors. Behind the scenes we struggle to pay our bills, put diapers on our babies and try to take care of those we love, all the while working on a way to get to a normal existence if that does in fact even exist. An extra $20 from each client equals a full appointment by the end of the week, and at the end of the month that pays the cell phone, buys the groceries and lets us take the little ones away for the weekend after we have paid both rents (home and incall), all our advertising, babysitters, hydro, car repairs, personal maintenance and the same expenses everyone else has. Not to mention the monthly payments on augmentation, lifts, tucks and anything else to keep us up to the exceptionally high standards expected if we want to continue making money in this arena. There are few SP?s who can keep up the daily client service to ensure long term financial viability in this business because of the emotional and physical toll this business extracts which sometimes means extended time offs to get our heads, hearts and bodies back in order. We have no paid holidays, benefits or paid personal days. If there is a crisis that forces us to take time off, we lose money and clients which often means we work regardless of illness, pain or any other of lifes challenges. Each SP has her own reasons for working, but the universal element is that we all are trying to achieve some sort of financial stability. I never expect tips, and I can count on one hand how many I have received since my arrival in Canada because of the nature of the business here. Hate to tell you guys, but Canadian men are not known for their generous nature, they rank a close second to Germans in this realm (I think the outlandishly high taxes inflicted in both countries has something to do with it!). I would never expect a tip from guests that have me on retainer, I see them weekly. But unless you are going to be a bankable commodity in a SP?s life, a tip relative to the quality of service is a sure way to say thank you and have her know you mean it... Catherine