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I recently was approached via text by someone who knew NOTHING about my services, they even asked "how does this work?" Now, my ads here on cerb don't leave a whole lot of room for questions unanswered, that's why I write my ad the way I do so that I won't have to spend half my day only answering PMs about myself and my services. Now, having questions isn't what concerns me here, what does concern me is that this person was simply given my telephone # and told "contact her for good BJ".... As hobbyists, I am sure that you all think it's perfectly fine to give out an SP's phone #....but perhaps the gentleman referring his friend should have told him about cerb.ca rather than give out a direct line to a SP (the person texting me had NO IDEA AT ALL how any of this works)... Wondering how other SPs feel about this... Would you like someone to hand out your number to their friends (free advertising I guess) ? I for one use cerb handles as one way to pre-screen my potential clients, how can I when the person in question has no such username, and clearly has no idea what their friend's username is as a reference. I'm interested also to see how the gents feel, do you all think this is acceptable or not?

When I ask where did you see my ad? and I get the "my buddy gave me your info" I ask who is your buddy? 99% of the time they never reply back. While I do appreciate of word of mouth, I don't do secret agent BS. If Ive met your Buddy so to speak and he told you contact me - I don't think he really cares that I know he sent you to me, however just cause I may or may not have met your buddy - the same booking policies apply to any new contacting me - so buddy or not Im still going to screen you.

I never give out ANY personal information about a lady that I have seen (other than what was in stated in a recommendation for that lady), especially her address/hotel or contact number. When I book it is either through an email,or pm here on Cerb then we would exchange contact numbers. I will follow up with email/pm to confirm to her "it is I " that way there is no confusion (I guess there is many Pete's as there is John's :) ) Lastly, I always like to ensure that my number is also not shared with others, discretion is paramount for all parties involved. .....If a gent asks me in a pm, I will tell him to read the lady's ad to get that personal info.

A DJ for the Bear posted a comment about the white poppy trend yesterday, calling people who wear them "naive" and "hippy dippy." I saw people post things in support of his comment such as "people wearing a white poppy should have their asses kicked." This is honour? My great grandfather served in the Russian military just after 1900. My grandfather served in WW2. My grandmother is dutch, and lived through the occupation of Arnhem, hiding jewish families from the SS. I've had friends who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. I plan on being at the ceremony downtown Monday as a standin for my grandfather, who passed away several years ago. No one symbol owns the rights to remembrance. Remembrance is something we do inside, and represent on the outside. It is represented in how we act and how we treat others. Those soldiers who fought and died did so to give us the freedoms we enjoy, so we could choose for ourselves how we want to dress and act toward each other. True remembrance shouldn't be one day a year. In my opinion, the greatest honour we can show our veterans and soldiers is to be involved in the daily dialogue of our nation's governance and how we are represented in the world. A big part of that is making sure that *if* war needs to be fought, that the cause is just and the sacrifice a worthy one. War should *never* be the solution. And I'll gladly debate with anyone the relative merit of the reasons to sacrifice our soldiers recently compared to the Great Wars of the past. There's nothing wrong with the white poppy. It's just as respectful as the red. I'd wear both, although I haven't seen a white one yet, so I'm wearing the red. People shouldn't start dragging deeper meaning into the colour of the poppy (on either side.) White represents peace as well as remembrance. Sorry for the long, rambling post. Every year I write a blog about Nov 11 and what it means to me. I always end it with a quote from Eisenhower: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in thr final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborors, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron"

I'm shaking my head how some guys can and do apparently operate so freely with a lady's personal information. To pass along contact information, like addresses, phone numbers, and private details about an encounter with said lady, to a third person that you either don't know at all, or have only very sketchy information on, is reckless and at best inconsiderate. They may think, "Hey, she's getting a potential new client, so I'm doing her a favour, what reason's she got to bitch about that?" Think again! There are many potential pitfalls and a good chance that the uninitiated (or not new, but sketchy) client will waste the lady's time as indicated on many threads dealing with etiquette. He will have more information on the lady than he should before even passing her screening requirements. That's just one way that this is simply bad practice and although it can work out, it can also be very risky. Passing around such delicate, private information without consent is careless and unthinking. Would any client ever put up with that from a provider? The professional ladies guard our information with the utmost care and responsibility, only to insure that they themselves are safe, and then discard it when it is no longer needed.

Very good question. The only recommendation I would give is no regulation; I wouldn't rewrite the laws at all. That might seem shocking but it's really how I feel, backed up by a shit ton to evidence that says regulating this industry puts the people who work in it at risk. This is mainly because policy makers don't ask us what we need, and if they do, they don't meaningfully integrate our feedback =( It might seem like the laws, or zoning restrictions are there to 'protect' us but they actually put people at risk. Hopefully the SCC will decriminalize all three statutes and allow sex workers (both indoor and outdoor) to work safely, whatever that means for them. A lot of people seem to be scared that decriminalizing prostitution will mean a huge increase in both indoor and street-based workers but countries that have decriminalized have not noticed any significant increase in people in the trade. After all, there's still stigma. I know it's not entirely realistic to think "Oh Nat, just tell them not to regulate it at all"... in Canada we seem to be moving towards a Nordik model whereby the 'Johns' (I hate that word) are criminalized. I would hate to have a model like that in Canada (hate!). So I would definitely say "Don't do that!". I would also argue against any kind of zoning laws, or licensing laws. I don't want my incall to be in an industrial zone 20km from the city center where I have to pay $10,000 for a license, and I don't want street based workers to be 'zoned' to particular neighborhoods or exiled to work on the Toronto Island. I think the best 'solution' is no solution. Just leave us alone. I feel naive though. I know that won't happen... =/ ... =/ It all makes me quite nervous.

Alexis, I HATE HATE HATE that when it happens. It kinda makes me nervous and all weirded out. Look, I can't even spell just thinking of it. I once advertised with no phone number - the only way to reach me was via pm or email. I got a call from someone who knew nothing about me - my age, description, anything. I asked him how he got my number, and he said "my buddy gave it to me", and when asked his "buddy's name", he refused to give it to me. Of course, he was also calling from a blocked number, so it made it more scary - yes, I was scared by this. Turns out he wanted an 18 year old, and I am mature - so it wouldn't have worked out, but for days I was leary and pissed. Anyone who called that I didn't know, even civilian calls were treated with mistrust. I was looking over my shoulder anywhere I went. I've even heard of guys showing up at a providers location - no call, no appointment, no contact - to say "ya, how much is it to fuck you?" So, please do not provide any information about someone you have seen. Her number, her location, what kind of car she drives. Her safety is at stake here for crips sake. So, for those that do this "because they are shy or whatever", it is not the way to do it. I would much rather someone contact me via the means I have established then sneeking around like this. Please don't. Of course, the ones that do this, wouldn't be on this board, and will never read my plea. For those however that follow our guidelines, I thank you. Stay safe everyone! xoxo

I tried to quit last year. Then I said to myself "Self ...are ya nucking futz ??!! You haven't been happier in a long long time, you have spent many hours with awesome and beautiful women having the time of your life and Alotta Great Sex and uncomplicated friendship along the way" Soooo it is fun, I am having a blast and it is uncomplicated unless one makes it complicated and I see myself enjoying indefinite participaction into the next decade ;) Probably until they won't allow incalls to my nursing home .......

I find younger clients intimidate me more. I've always related better to people older than myself, even outside the business, so I feel more comfortable with the mature clients. That said maturity is not always commensurate with age. I think on some level the clients who are my age or younger make me feel like I'm back in high school and have to live up to false social standards of popularity. The mature clients value my intellect and kindness as well as my looks. That said, the younger clients I have encountered have all been incredibly sweet; the things I said above reflect only on me and comment on my own insecurities rather than the demeanour of my customers. In short, I initially felt insecure around clients under 30, but have learned that there was nothing to be afraid of.

I voted that I will do this for as long as I enjoy it. I really do have a lot of fun, meet some cool people, see some wonderful sights. But it's more than that for me too. I am not a good girlfriend, significant other, whatever. I have a serious issue with compromise, sharing, etc and that's why I live alone. But we all need companionship, we all need to feel needed, and we all need to feel worthwhile. That's why I enjoy it so much. It supplies me with all the companionship I need, I am completely fulfilled knowing I've made someone's day, week, or month a little happier, and I satisfy my need to be needed. You guys are much more than clients to me. You...each and every one of you I've had the pleasure to meet.... are my significant others, even just for a few hours. Love you all xo

I'm not a fan of having my info shared without my knowledge.. I have had good referrals that way, but have had some issues as well. I don't post my number but have still received phone calls from gents who claim to get it from an unnamed friend. Its unnerving for me since I only allow a handful of people to have this info, and I assumed a level of trust with them to do so. I've also been emailed by people referred to me by a no show who had gotten my address, yet told their buddies all about my address, our date we had and things we did that I actually don't even offer (and we had never met) :/ for these reasons, I always ask who referred them to me, and if they aren't comfortable sharing, I am not comfortable meeting them. Its one thing to get a reply from an ad or to be found on a site, but when people randomly pop up and act weird about where they located my info, it just doesnt sit well with me anymore.. seems kinda risky :(

I and others I know (experienced clients), have exchanged ladies contact information. However, in all cases the lady has been consulted first to ask if it was ok to pass along her contact info. Typically, this has been used where a lady might be new without a significant web presence or perhaps is not a member of a forum like Cerb where a gentleman could be directed to her ad or profile or just might be UTR. In all cases so far the ladies have not seemed to have any problem with this and actually were glad that I would recommend them. I should point out one caveat, unless I know that the guy is a decent guy I'd never even entertain this as I'd never want to risk my reputation by being linked to an asshole.

It's not a new phenomenon. They've been around almost as long as the red poppies. http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/ And unlike the red poppies, they aren't trademarked, so you won't get sued for using them in the "wrong" way http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2013/10/legion-asks-reddit-to-remove-poppy-over-trademark.html or get told that you are "disrespecting" veterans for wearing it in the "wrong" way I noticed a lot of comments lately about the white poppies, probably due to a ridiculous Sun article recently published. All I have to say to that is... stop reading the goddamn Sun.

I think it makes perfect sense to wear both, though I also think that the white poppy alone still does everything the red one does, and then more. The white poppy points out that veterans' sacrifice is both something to be honoured, yes, but also for that very reason a thing to be avoided in the future if we can. I don't think this sentiment diminishes respect for veterans, any more than I think the red poppy alone glorifies war. I find the claims in the news that this "politicizes" remembrance day dubious, since saying "we should take this moment to commit ourselves to working for peace" is no more political than "we should take this moment to respect the heavy costs war imposes on our fellow citizens, present and past." They're both excellent ideas.

They should be ashamed of themselves doing it during the Remembrance Day time period imo. It's a lack of respect as you're not celebrating war but remembering those that fought for your freedom to do do such a thing.

Well, since I've never actually seen an SP I can't really answer your poll. However, a while ago I mentioned in a post that I enjoyed coming to this forum because of the participation by the ladies and the insight I get into both the lifestyle and their personalities/motivations etc. The responses so far in this thread from the ladies has reinforced that again for me. I like reading that a lot of the SP's and MA's truly enjoy what they do, and that this lifestyle has/is affording them the freedoms to pursue the goals/lifestyles etc. that they want. It also speaks to how truly special these ladies are that they can be fulfilled knowing they are providing happiness to someone else. I hope you all can achieve what you are striving for. Hopefully some day I will get a chance to meet some of you. (Won't be for a while due to geographical/financial reasons, but that's getting better) All I ask is that none of you retire until I can meet you ;) p.s sorry this post may not make a lot of sense, I can't seem to find the right words for some reason p.p.s. I also don't mean for this to be a suck-up type of post, it's just that for some reason the responses struck me, and I wanted to express that

I am with Emily J on this one... I consider myself to be in the mature MA category age wise.. being in my early 30s... As long as the request is made respectfully age does not matter I have met wonderful gentlemen, some younger, some in my same age group some older and some much older... but in the opposite way I have met others not so nice.. on all group ages... I also have found that contrary to what many would think.. younger guys are very timid and do not try to cross boundaries as much as some of the more experienced gentlemen have... At the end age is no criteria to judge a clients behaviour.. One thing I may do if he looks to young is ask for ID... just to be sure!

A couple of weeks ago I walked in Starbucks and a lady that I have visited with was in the line up (and a long one at that) in front of me as soon as I walked in she saw me but we acted like we were strangers. By the time we ordered and waited for our respective coffees we had spent at least 10 minutes standing next to each other. The whole time we each went about or normal routines, checking our phones, sending a message etc. just being normal "strangers". When her order was ready and she was about to leave we exchanged a half smile and she left. Nothing more occurred. These ladies have lives just like everyone else and they should be aloud to "just live" like everyone else.

A moment there, filmgeek. I think it's pretty clear the OP was just using that as the thread title for the innocent pun. The poll choices being offered make no assertion whatsoever about what anyone's reasons are for being here. If the intent was to find out what a person's reason or goal was, two options probably wouldn't be enough, but if you read again you'll see that's not the purpose here. Besides, if you've read Realnicehat's posts elsewhere you'll know that he in fact agrees with you that the experience can be about more than just the sex (not that someone who does have that as their goal need be judged either, as long as they are respectful).

We are trying a "Trial Run" to allow links and references to BP and CL cause we want to help keep people away from the bad apples and to increase popularity on cerb (across the country). So for a trial period the censors have been removed to link to www.craigslist.org and www.backpage.com Hopefully no one abuses this! We DO NOT want to see advertisers posting links to ads on BP or CL (Or any other directory other then EC & the approved directories). This would end in EC revoking permission to allow these links.

I would actually consider race issues an example of where great progress has been made. It is true there are still many problems, especially on a systemic level, but when you look at how much has changed in a mere generation or two there is reason to be hopeful rather than despairing. I'd agree with you it is harder to spot and root out racism when it isn't overt or public, but being forced underground as you put it is part of the process. While I have my doubts that racism, sexism, or many of the others "ism's" will ever be fully eliminated, it's nevertheless amazing the degree to which things have improved. It is certainly not hard to still find examples of homophobia, for example, but look at the progress made by in finding acceptance and equal rights despite sexual orientation in our society just in the last generation. And there are other examples of stigmas which have been all but eliminated. Being Irish in America used to make someone a second class citizen. Just two generations ago people of Gaelic heritage were forbidden to speak that language in school to the point that the language was almost lost. When my father was a child he could be hit in school for writing with his left hand! It is true that, for clients and companions, the stigma is of a different nature and there may never be full understanding or acceptance, and perhaps it only looks like progress is impossible because it is slow, yet over time who knows what will happen? And there are signs of improvement. Never has there been a time when there were so many service providers publicly advocating for themselves, attempting to educate people. Technology like the Internet has also helped. Just speaking for myself, being able to read websites and blogs of escorts, and forums like Cerb have done wonders to educate me on our community. Surely I'm not alone in that? I would even take it as a good sign that, for what I imagine is the first time, you can find examples in popular entertainment depicting escorting as a normal and positive aspect of a society (Kushiel's Dart novels; Firefly tv series). The process may be slow, it may ebb back and forth at times, it may never be complete...but in the long run? There's always hope.

I started at 25 then moved it to 30, because of the continual responses I'd get from 20 something's-hey, hey baby, what's up, I'm a hung young guy, lookin for a stud?, etc, etc!! Realistically though if someone is respectful and I get a good sense from them and don't feel the need to call them dear, lol, instead of their name then they are old enough:)

Sometimes in life you just get lucky... That is how i feel about meeting Ms. Savannah Lane. Over the last 3 weeks i have had the pleasure to be in Savannah's company twice the first time for an hour and a half and the second for two hours. On both occasions i left her feeling extremely relaxed and satisfied but knowing that i had to see her again. When I first stumbled across her ad on the NLAdultclassified website I have to admit I thought it was another of the many well written SP ads that promises more than just great sex... "an experience" I read how she wanted to connect with her clients before and after the appointments and thought boy she certainly knows how to sell it ...but being the sucker i am for a beautiful woman...and a bit of a pervert.. I sent her a text. That first text started a back and forth chat over a couple of days that made me all the more interested n meeting this wonderful lady... so we agreed on meeting date a few days later (unfortunately for us guys she is only available on Fridays and Mondays). Each day in between we chatted and she sent me some wonderful pictures that made me even more interested in meeting her. For our first meeting we agreed to meet for a half hour coffee meeting just to see if we wanted to take this further, On the way to the meeting she texted my a beautiful pic of what she was wearing but when she opened the hotel room door... wow the pictures did not do her justice.... tall sexy and inviting. We hugged and kissed and I just knew this was going to be a great afternoon. We sat and chatted ...she is not only beautiful but articulate and smart in no time I felt like I was with a friend i had known for ever... only difference was she was drop dead gorgeous. We quickly extended our time and moved to the bed.... while i was already impressed by this lady... all I can say is that once we were on the bed... she quickly showed me that she knew her body and exactly how to make a man feel the passion and intensity that she brings to her time with you. Before I knew it our time was up but i knew that i would have to see this wonderful lady again so we scheduled a second longer meeting for the next week. Each day for the next week we chatted and shared pictures... this lady is not kidding when she says she wants to have a relationship with her clients .. and that by connecting with them it intensifies the time they spend together. Our second meeting was even more exciting and enjoyable then the first and I look forward our next meeting in 2 weeks. This lady is exactly what she says in her ads... Passionate, Intense... seductive...with a body that just wonderful... you will enjoy every minute in her presence. She truly is a BREATH of fresh air.

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Manda and I have spent time together on a couple of occasions. Every single time I see her is better than the last. She is deliciously beautiful and devilishly funny. Her personality radiates throughout the encounter. I will not go into details, as YMMV, however I will definitely say that the time I have spent with MsManda has been rewarding in many ways. If you are looking for quality time spent with an genuinely affectionate, drop dead gorgeous lady with a spunky attitude...MsManda should definitely be on the list.

I would never give it out myself let alone discuss and intimate time with an SP or MP other than a reco on here. If the person texting never gave the persons name who gave him the number then maybe it was LE. who knows who they are operating these days

For the record, I would have had no issue with this if the person texting had any idea what they were getting into. The only info their "friend" gave was the number and to contact me to exchange money for sex. Ideally, a client should seek permission before giving out my number to a "newbie" who has no idea how things work. Otherwise, direct him to where he can become more educated and choose a lady of his own choice: http://www.cerb.ca

I don't share. My hobby is my business and I like to keep it that way. Passing out a number, aside from the implied endorsement, somehow ties me to someone else's experience. There is a tremendous responsibility as well. How well do I really know the potential client in question. What if something unpleasant happened? Nope, too messy and too many variables for me. I'll stick to one on one and the occasional duo, cause if I wanted to be an agent, I'd have moved to Hollywood.

Congrat's on hitting the 1000 post count Passion Vito keep up the wonderful posts....

Our Lady of Passion has lots of great contributions. In fact, it was her posts that led me to seek her out. I'm so glad I did! Keep them coming Victoria. And keep posting too. :icon_cool:

They probably use that line because they are either shy or embarrassed to admit that they are seeking your services on their own. That being said, I would hope that they would do a little research before simply making a call and asking all sorts of questions whose answers can be found on CERB or a website. Time is money and I can understand your frustration in posting an ad with a fairly comprehensive description of your services and looks only to have to answer these questions again.

I would not like my number to be passed on that way. I must say though, I too have received the ol : a friend passed me your number line...however I just tend to think those guys are little bit full of it and use that line because they simply cannot be bothered to read the ad itself;) And yes that can be frustrating ;)

congrats Vitto on reaching the 1000 posts

To me the red poppy symbolizes remembrance of men and women who fought in search of peace or because they had no choice. I've always supported the idea of prevention over the idea of treatment so I like the idea of emphasizing peace, looking forward, and trying to avoid having to remember any new people.

If I start dating, I'll be gone. I did for a few months earlier, but it didn't work out. I have fun here, and I can get to try fantasies, and on occasion learn something. But give me once a month vanilla sex and a life time with the woman I love, and this will be my past. So I guess I'm hoping that it's temporary. I'm very thankful to the people I've met here, more then they probably imagine, and I will always hope I in some tiny way even gave back what they gave me.

Congratulations Vitto on reaching the first 1000 post. It sure takes a while. the next 1000 should come faster :)

Congrats on reaching this Milestone Keep up all the sexy and insightful posts

C is for counting the hours and minutes to a date you're excited about

Body slides are my absolute favourite I truly love getting oiled up and rubbing my silky smooth body all over a man, massaging his whole body with my entire body, I find its both stimulating for myself as we'll as my client Every girl that offers body slides will have differ restrictions, some (including myself) will allow you to touch them all over and then others will not...different girls different restrictions You can always pm different MA's to see what restrictions they offer and then finding the MA that best suits you As for price, that can vary as well depending on the amount of time you would like to book for, and in room fees can vary with different girls, again it's best to talk with different MA's to finalize all the specifics!!! Hope this helped a little Kisses and Stay Sexy xxo

Truthfully, I can't say right now that I've explored this lifestyle if I'll ever really quit or leave it permanently. So many fallacies about this industry have been shattered and I've actually become more enlightened by my participation which seems to draw me further in. I'm sure that there will be life situations that will arise that will change the amount that I choose to participate, hell I could take a break for a few years at some point. However, I'm sure that I'll be back again. I've learned to "never say never" about anything. Right now I see my participation as something that brings me joy and excitement and as long as it continues to have that draw I'll be back. In my short time so far I've been quite active perhaps even too active, I guess a kid in a candy store type thing. But I realize that over a brief period I've allowed myself to experience quite a lot and that voracious hunger that I once had has waned. Now I've moved to more of a picky eater that I only really want to partake if something really speaks to me from a physical, intellectual, or even experience wise stand point. I guess as long as there are new experiences to be had I'll be back but the breaks in between may become longer and longer and time goes on.

How do you know I'm not colourblind? :butt:

After a few missed opportunities I finally got my act together and managed to book my first session with Mandy at CMJ. First off, she is simply a stunning woman to behold. Tall, fair skin, freckles on her shoulders and cute red hair cut in a bob. She's got some pretty extensive ink work on her torso, which I find very sexy. Standard CMJ session starts with a shower together where she washed me head to toe with a lot of body and eye contact, followed by a very nice long tease on the massage table after came the flip and another long BS with enough eye contact for me to get lost in her sexy gaze :) Release was incredible, with a lot of permitted hand roaming. Repeat: YES! I think I have found my new favourite in the city :)

On Christmas Eve I entertain my kids (all adults now). We do "finger foods"- Chicken Wings, Meat Balls, Onion Rings, Egg Rolls, Veggies and Dip etc. Christmas Morning, my eldest daughter does a breakfast buffet (somewhat like Red Seducteress described). No turkey on the menu at either event.

Here is my 2 cents. .. In every case is different. . I have met ladies that have make this a career and I respect them and I admire them... I have met some that are just passing by... and in this category a subdivision of them that take this profession serious while working and others that just see it As an "easy" "fast" way of making money... to pay bills and get by.. in my particular case.. I am not here to stay forever. .. how much longer I will be around? That's not something I know the exact answer. .. it will happen but one thing is for sure... the day I say I retire as an MA will be be because the day has come... honestly I have seen lots of ladies making a big deal about their retirement and are back within weeks... I know sometimes things don't go as planned.. but when you retire 3 times in same year.. really makes you look unstable... that's why when that time comes.... in my case I want to make sure it will happen as planned. ..

M is for maple syrup as a body drizzle for those into food fun!

Cassie is certainly sassie. But she is also so much more - sweet, smart, saucy, and last but not least, sinfully sexy. My first meeting with her was a late night appointment at CMJ. I didn't realize at the time, but she stayed well past the end of her shift to accommodate me. The massage was out of this world. And in spite of the fact that she had to stay late, she did not try to rush things. She was relaxed, friendly, sexy and much more than I had dared to hope for. We've met a few more time since, and each meeting has been better than the previous one. We have chatted about life and discussed literature; indulged in fruit and cheese tastings, and given each other sensuous massages, (well, she has given me; and has tolerated my attempts to return the favour). Every meeting has been relaxed, fun, enjoyable, and left me happy and contended. I cannot say enough good things about Cassie. The girl is, to put it simply, sublimely stupendous.

Originally Posted by Cleo Catra I think you're right, and I think that's why a lot of us go in circles in these discussions on here. In most cases, it seems like the women participating are not the ones the clients are talking about.... so the points never seem to get resolved, because the ladies can't seem to offer resolutions to situations they can't imagine happening. I think these discussions can be worthwhile. They can be frustrating... if you think a consensus is going to be reached or... if you think you're going to change a participant's point if view. (The internet is not the place for that lol) This particular thread has had over 7,000 views. That's far more than any other current topic. Obviously there's interest, even if only a small minority of members participate. And even if cerb only represents a small percentage of all sp's and clients, it's still our community and we're developing norms of behaviour and conduct in an underground economy/activity where it's difficult to get useful, real, respectful, healthy etc information. I look at these discussions as being similar to any public debate. The point isn't to change the mind of the other debater(s). It's to be persuasive to the audience and provoke them into thinking. This is best done when different points of view are expressed and hopefully expressed well. Hopefully these discussions are also an opportunity to share information and viewpoints that readers would not otherwise have access to, whether that's factual information, personal experience or a different perspective.

Sorry, don`t want to be too contrary but it can work. Firstly you have to set the limits, like no un-protected sex, and any other constraints. Secondly set all the limits, time, price etc, and it can work. If people can follow an agreement, then you could have a good time.

I'm not sure if it is still like this, but last year one of the black dancers at the PM told me they only allow 2 of them to work at the same time. I started paying closer attention an sure enough, there was only 2 of them there at the same time.

I am not in Ottawa, but I can tell you from someone who's had a golden shower fetish since she was very young... that most people don't admit it freely. It could be a self confidence thing, it could just be that, as you said, it's very "taboo". I spent the better part of my life hiding my desire for it, as I thought it was "wrong". Society has a tendancy to make us believe that anything outside THEIR realm of "normal" is wrong. For me? We live once. So experience experience experience !!! Giving AND receiving are both wonderful. Even giving to YOURSELF can be a very erotic experience. Feel free to PM me sometime :)