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4 minutes ago, Jaden said:

Ok the reason why am saying that is it did happen to me twice and is like most are using the same way to ask you to send the password in the beginning they will say you don’t have to give them password until you with them and after they receive the email notification they will ask you to send like 20 dollars for taxi and give them the password so they can be able to take the full amount you sent before 

Which I understand and I am sorry, but for most ladies, it is a scam as well. Men send money and then cancel it while the lady is on route. 
 

So if you see deposits required, either chance it or move on to the next one. 

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2 hours ago, Jaden said:

Hi sorry to hear that but try fort mac as well am sure you will like it we just need legit girls and I will still recommend real one to start touring to Fort Mac even if is one week to see but I know there is lot of good guys over here thanks 

Legit girls as you phrase it need legit clients to see???...                                                                                  You seem unwilling to pay a companion in advance via etransfer (etransfer???...without password is no payment at all) but expect her to go out of pocket to tour to Fort Mac on the chance of seeing a good guy. Just that and that alone is a red flag that's enough for a touring companion not to see a "legit":classic_blink: client (your use of the words).   It's been mentioned by a companion about the dangers of Fort Mac for them and a mention of drug use by clients in Grande Prairie (yes another city but gives a bad impression).         Nothing here has made Fort Mac look appealing as a place for ladies to tour too.

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There will be always good and bad in anything even big cities are always not 100% of good people and for me to say am sending e transfer and still give password while am not with you is still dangerous because most of them are scam and will accept the money and block you and there is nothing you can do I will always do that if I have seen the lady before yes but in order the avoid all this scammers maybe have to just travel to Edmonton Thas all 

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6 hours ago, roamingguy said:

Legit girls as you phrase it need legit clients to see???...                                                                                  You seem unwilling to pay a companion in advance via etransfer (etransfer???...without password is no payment at all) but expect her to go out of pocket to tour to Fort Mac on the chance of seeing a good guy. Just that and that alone is a red flag that's enough for a touring companion not to see a "legit":classic_blink: client (your use of the words).   It's been mentioned by a companion about the dangers of Fort Mac for them and a mention of drug use by clients in Grande Prairie (yes another city but gives a bad impression).         Nothing here has made Fort Mac look appealing as a place for ladies to tour too.

RG

Can I just bold and highlight everything you just said?!? 

It's a two way street. 
I am willing and able to travel up two hours for an outcall. I am not going anywhere without a deposit, especially with a first time/new client. Do yourself a favour and do the research. If you don't, you will run into the same issue wherever you go to seek companionship.  

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14 hours ago, kyliekarma said:

No offense, but the quality of clients in Grande Prairie and Fort Mac give both cities a bad rep.

 

I remember going to Grande Prairie alone, and everyone who contacts me to book was on coke. I’m blunt here, but it’s not enjoyable to work with men who are strung out with limp dicks. 

 

When I was there I decided to take no more clients after the first few were, all the same, I took the remaining days off, and I canceled my plan to go to Fort Mac next because I can only imagine it gets worse the further you go north.

 

I’m still always getting texts from men in both cities asking me to visit, but they are on my do not visit list.

I have heard that alot that's why I would never go

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6 hours ago, Jaden said:

There will be always good and bad in anything evooen big cities are always not 100% of good people and for me to say am sending e transfer and still give password while am not with you is still dangerous because most of them are scam and will accept the money and block you and there is nothing you can do I will always do that if I have seen the lady before yes but in order the avoid all this scammers maybe have to just travel to Edmonton Thas you  a

You are just dragging this on and on....all you are doing is  complaining about deposits but then asking for ladies to come how does even make sense????

It  doesn't to me RED FLAG

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Oh yeah but am sure not everyone is like that But most I know in big city will ask you to give them the password when you with them at least it make sense 

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11 minutes ago, Jaden said:

Oh yeah but am sure not everyone is like that But most I know in big city will ask you to give them the password when you with them at least it make sense 

It's not about how you pay, it's about who you pay.

If you send a deposit or full amount to someone with a nonexistent reputation, you pretty much deserve the little you'll get in return.

Like many already mentioned, do your homework. If you can't find evidence she's real and honest, don't waste your time and money.

Not that hard to understand.

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On 6/21/2020 at 12:48 PM, Meaghan McLeod said:

Fort mac is a dangerous city for independent and or travelling ladies. I've heard horror stories of ladies trying to work there if they want to remain independent or are from outside of the area.

You are right. I know Independent ladies who tried to work there and were run out of town. Unless you’re allied with the local so called agencies running the town, you can’t make it and their ads are hit and miss for the real thing. I worked there in 1994 but it was a different scene.

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On 6/21/2020 at 3:15 PM, roamingguy said:

Well don't know specifics about Fort McMurray but paying in advance using e transfer (and providing password) that's not an indication of a scam...the ladies I see I pay (in full) in advance...the only monetary transaction at date time is tip and gift.  Right now I have three ladies paid in full already just waiting to schedule our date.

RG

Unfortunately there are many ads that are not For legitimate providers which some hobbyists may not realize are scams until it’s too late.

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A city gets the market that it deserves. If you are not welling to provide a deposit, don't bother to do your research, don't fly providers to you, don't book touring ladies, well...you get what you give. Fort McMurray is a small city, it is up to the clients to create the incentive for us to visit you there. A quality clientele will attract quality providers. 

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Well Thas your opinion if you been scammed before with those procedures you will understand what I mean though 

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If I may interject here, this conversation is going nowhere as is. As someone who has lived in the oil patch and understands the dynamic, I will try to help you all understand.

To Jaden, I get what you are saying but you are only concentrating on the scammers here. Yes, there are a lot of them on Leolist and there always will be in places like Ft. Mac because there are too many guys there with a big wad of cash and a raging hard-on and little in the way of common sense. So it is easy money for the crooks. However, it is very easy to spot the scammers and to differentiate them from the legit touring ladies such as some of the ones here on Lyla who tour. It is more than just an ad on LL. Take the time to check out both their website & presence on forums such as this and you can tell if they are on the up & up. Also, read the ads closely and start to understand the language the scammers use. They really aren't all that clever. You can't assume every provider is a scam. There are many ladies who I will not hesitate to etransfer the entire donation to. But I will not do it to a complete unknown. If you aren't comfortable with it, don't do it but don't bother complaining about it either on forums like this. It's a waste of energy and only creates unnecessary drama.

As for all of you here on Lyla, I understand what you are saying but you are looking at it from your perspective as legitimate providers and clients used to dealing with legitimate SPs. Believe me when I tell you that places like Ft Mac and Grande Prairie and other boom areas will always draw their fair share of less than desirable people. I think Jaden here just hasn't learned the nuances of this industry in these areas. When I first got into this, I had a few disappointments although I was never scammed out of my money. There's a learning curve but I also have always been pretty astute when reading ads. I am merely just stating here that although the complaint here is possibly misdirected to the wrong people, his beef is somewhat understandable. 

Cheers to you all and have a safe and happy day.  

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2 hours ago, Jaden said:

Well Thas your opinion if you been scammed before with those procedures you will understand what I mean though 

What I understand is that it's your problem more than it is ours.

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Peacetryguy I really appreciate your advice and I will definitely do so at least your advice make sense have a good one And to all those who think what I said dasint make sense well Thas my opinion you can keep yours xo 

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Well if my opinion is bothering you then is your own problem where you like it or i will always discuss my mind 

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Like this girl scam me before she claimed she is offering online fun after I paid she ask me to call her on FaceTime and then she gave the phone to the kids and they started making some funny noise and cut the call Thas all I got but am not saying all the ladies are like that though 

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40 minutes ago, Jaden said:

Like this girl scam me before she claimed she is offering online fun after I paid she ask me to call her on FaceTime and then she gave the phone to the kids and they started making some funny noise and cut the call Thas all I got but am not saying all the ladies are like that though 

  That ad is pretty sketchy. Just by searching "karolannebrezzy", you end up on this other ad using fake pics:

https://caescort.club/514-700-1661

https://i.thechive.com/submission/5dc326f14c0be9041b3d9409

I would also stay far away from anyone advertising being 18.

Again, a bit of investigating would have saved you money and the headaches that came with it.

Try reading this:

 

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I’m from Toronto and I tour quite often. I’ve had issues with prebooking appointments in advance with deposits in Fort Mac. That’s why I don’t visit this area. I’d rather visit Edmonton and Calgary where the gents are much more cooperative with prebooking and deposits. 
 

HOWEVER I’d be willing to change my mind if Fort Mac decides to be just as cooperative to!
 

You can quite easily avoid scammers by simply doing your research on the girl. Does she have a few positive reviews on review boards where other gents have successfully seen her and can vouch for her? Does she have a professional website with professional photos? Have you google image searched her photos to make sure they actually belong to her? Does she have a high social media following and interaction with her followers? Doing these things prove the girl has spent her valuable time and money on her brand. Scam girls wouldn’t bother going through the trouble of wasting their time and paying top dollar for all these things. 

 

If you get scammed then unfortunately that’s on you for not doing your part and researching any lady you wish to see. I hope these tips help you!

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Hey thanks a lot for the tips is just that I did not know how to check if the ladies are legit but but from now I will try to get much information before booking and I wouldn’t mind doing that for a legit ones if I can get those information thanks for the advice and have a good one 

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15 minutes ago, Jaden said:

Hey thanks a lot for the tips is just that I did not know how to check if the ladies are legit but but from now I will try to get much information before booking and I wouldn’t mind doing that for a legit ones if I can get those information thanks for the advice and have a good one 

Oh you are most welcome sweetheart! Glad I could be of help! Best of luck in your future bookings! Xoxo

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On 6/25/2020 at 9:43 AM, Jaden said:

Well Thas your opinion if you been scammed before with those procedures you will understand what I mean though 

We deal with as many as 2 out of 3 NEW client no shows EVERY day....day after day... year after year ...and that is just ONE type of nonsense we deal with out of the roughly 80% or so of new contacts that are playing games.... so quite frankly I find it hard to believe that clients deal with a higher amount of "scams" than us ladies do but we are expected to stay cheerful and never complain about it. 

For the record I also ask for a small reasonable deposit from new clients (including the password) on their first session only. They receive my address after the deposit is made. If I am the one who needs to cancel for any reason then I e-transfer the deposit back to them.

Personally I think if a lady values her time and safety enough to properly screen and ask for a small deposit... that is an indication of more professionalism not less.

Not sure how much luck you will have finding the quality you want with a lady who books "fast food service" style.

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I would just ad that a quick reverse image search can help immensely in avoiding some pitfalls, A lot of the scammers steal pictures from other ladies ads or from other sites. As much as the images can draw our attention to the ads, they can be misleading. This is somewhat sad as many of these beautiful ladies invest a lot of time & energy into these fantastic professional shoots as well as a financial investment. But again, it's about the total package of the ads and sites. 

As for Leolist, it is basically Backpage under a new name. The whole "verified photo" thing is stupid and means absolutely nothing. Another thing to check is if the same ad is posted in more than one city at the same time. Scammers will flood Leolist like chumming the waters fishing. 

As for the ladies on sites like this, they are here because they are professionals. You will find that the deposits are a necessity that will be the standard rather than the exception. This is due to all those asshats out there who no show and cancel and waste these ladies' time. We should look at it as a good thing from our perspective. How many times do one of us good clients end up not being able to see one of these lovely ladies because of these guys. It's not fair that she loses out on a good client because of some idiot timewaster.

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