what is a gfe massage?

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

I will try to work this out in reverse from recollections of GFE massage experience

there was no intercourse involved

there was no oral involved

there was kissing

there was slippery oil and slippery bodies

there was various types of groping, caressing, squeezing etc.

there were big smiles

there was some really intense moments

there was a shower with and without a partner

there was some great conversation

there were lots of laughs

 

Thats pretty much what I remember a GFE massage to be except for that time with the turkey wrap and a couple of bottles of wine but then again YMMV as with anything.

 

So if you are willing to throw terminology out the window that is it in a nutshell from my POV anyway.

 

Would I repeat. Of course. It's a fun time with some great ladies so why not.

 

J

[slyjohn 929]

Maybe refer to SWCE (Special Work colleague Experience) instead of a GFE...

 

My experience with Girlfriends... well Oral is involved..

 

Just kidding of course! LOL

 

Great thread.

 

Sly

[Hector17 9215]

I hope that that fellows here are not believing they are being fed false info when a "GFE Massage" is advertised.

I for one fully know the difference between between the expectations I should have and the service I will receive from an SP and an MA.

If some guys are getting DATY and Rimming from Mas...good for them

Like Pistol Pete (above) I like both, in different ways, and quite honestly my favourite "GFE MA" (Jessica) can make me feel the "experience" of her being my girlfriend in our time together even more intensely then an SP can, so I as a client do not really get bogged down in the defining of a GFE massage.

I do expect some form of kissing will happen, but that is the only thing I expect...true enough, I enjoy some other things from different Mas that are ymmv.

I know that this post doesn't help the OP with his query, other than to suggest it's not something to get hung up on...If it feels good with the ma you are with..do it...again, and again, and....

What it boils down to me for me is that nobody can actually make me feel any way...I am the only one that can make me feel, from within, the way I do. The MA in this case is the stimulus for that feeling....and it feels good!

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Doesn't it simply come down to the fact that one should never assume and questions prior to an encounter (any encounter) are probably a really good idea?

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Doesn't it simply come down to the fact that one should never assume and questions prior to an encounter (any encounter) are probably a really good idea?

Although I agree with you I wonder why the term GFE needs to be used and given various and multiple different definitions that best suit the person(s) using it...

 

Wouldn't it easier to describe the experience offered by the MA instead of using the term GFE and as a result,

eliminate most of the confusion surrounding it?

[Kennidikummings 9755]

Sorry - but I find the use of 'GFE Massage' very misleading and very inaccurate.

 

'GFE' is an Escort Term created by Escorts for Escorting - which begets Oral (DATY, DATO and/or CBJ/BBBJ) and/or FS.

 

So to try and 're-define' the term and try to lure in Escort Hobbyists to get massages is, in my humble opinion, unfortunate and a major turn off for me. I don't tell people I shovel snow for a living and then show up to mow the lawn :S

 

I've never, NEVER, met a guy whom either did, or was looking, for a GF just to have massages with - and never have sex. :S NEVER. Makes no sense.

 

This is 1/2 the reason why the MA/MPs now have there own Area - so as Not to keep misleading Hobbyists (intentionally or mistakenly). Wasting time asking Questions to a MA in the SP section whom doesn't say she is a MA until after several emails. Lame. So un-attractive.

 

Maybe it's a 'GF Massage' some ladies offer, but as per the definition of GFE - it's way more than just a massage. This is even clearly outlined here in this Thread - real GFE services Not included in so-called 'GFE Massages'.

(Yeah, and you having snow on the lawn while I mow is Your mis-interpretation or my services right? Not mine?? ...as I now re-define snow as grass? :S )

 

GFE = girlfriend experience. Typically BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1311&highlight=acronyms

 

A call girl advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides deep french kissing (DFK), "full service" (intercourse) usually with protection, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection. Advertising a "girlfriend experience" is sometimes used by call girls to promote business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience

 

Like the others said, GFE=Girlfriend experience. In some situations, it also means that the prostitute/escort is willing to perform some services without condoms, akabarebacked, usually blowjobs(BBBJ).

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gfe

 

There's even a movie called The Girlfriend Experience (with Sasha Grey - & FYI: She's No Masseuse! ;) )

 

Anyone got links showing where GFE has changed it's definition to Not included Oral/FS - and now has 2 meanings - 1 for MAs and 1 for SPs?? I look forward to seeing where this has changed, as I enjoy keeping up with the times :)

 

Food for thought! ;)

 

PS: Great Question Ironsman1 - Clarity over services is what CERB is all about :)[/

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ohh my God thank you you take the words right out of my mouth...lol I think Ottawa has a misconception on a lot of things when it comes to this industry

[yak2432 1499]

If an MA is advertising herself as a GFE then guys, myself included, will be under the assumption that the session will end either orally or with FS and nothing less. Its the same thing as if your real girlfriend surprised you with an erotic massage after a long day and you ended up having sex. MAs should avoid using GFE and just stick with "sensual, erotic massage" or every customer will be asking for FS.

[explorer69 3513]

GFE means read between the lines. My experience is that the majority who offer this will, for the right price, offer a bj ending and daty. Even those who deny it happens.

[1963Kennedy 10698]

One MA adopted GFE into her advertising in early 2010, so almost 3 years now. She has been successful b/c she is very enthousiastic and sensual in her service and has many recommendations. A few other MA's have picked up on using the term but I have to agree with many here (esp. KK) that the term should not be used in conjunction with massage.

[canuckhooker 19202]

I will disagree. The term GFE started getting used because of a change in the way escorts and other full-service providers started interacting with their clients. At one point in time it was very unusual for these people to kiss their clients or indulge in anything much more than the act itself. (no MSOG, bust a nut and you were done) As the interaction changed over time the term GFE started being used to indicate you were going to get kissing, and other interactions, more than slipping on the condom and getting off. Hence, more like a Girl-friend experience, than a paid service.

 

It is an adjectival phrase that describes what type of service you are going to get. It is an adjective, not a noun. You don't get GFE. Your service was of the GFE variety.

 

In massage, the term GFE means you are getting that type of massage. Again, as a change in the way service is being offered in that domain. At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage. You would get a rub and a tug. The GFE phrase came along to describe those providers who have a more intimate experience with their clients, including but not limited to the activities listed above.

 

Either way there is no agreed upon definition of GFE, or its variant Safe GFE. It means different things to every person, and even those who offer it will usually say YMMV. You have to ask the provider, MA or SP, what they offer.

 

As to the comments I read earlier about MA's don't allow DATY, or digits or whatever, my question would be: according to who? I know some who do offer that, and some who don't, but again it is a YMMV. If someone can point out to me in the Big Book of MA Rules, where I can find that written down, then I will run right down to Chapters and buy a copy.

 

None of this is black and white. We all have our comfort zones, and we all have different experiences. Just because lips touch genitalia does not an SP make. In fact according to the OED paying someone for any kind of sexual service is prostitution. I think masturbating someone to orgasm is a sexual service. So according to our language, it is just a matter of degree.

 

Trying to shoe horn others into your beliefs is a little bit too schoolyard for me. If their is no intent to mislead, or deceive, then let people describe what they do with terms they like and feel comfortable with.

 

Additional Comments:

 

A call girl advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides deep french kissing (DFK), "full service" (intercourse) usually with protection, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection. Advertising a "girlfriend experience" is sometimes used by call girls to promote business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience

 

 

OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex.

 

To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA"

[JessicaMassage 16917]

Or Mod was generous with his/her time and vigilante back in 2009 when he defined the term GFE in the follow thread:

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214

 

I guess the term GFE is a very personal one and we all have an opinion about what it really means.

 

The key with any type of service is to communication with the service provider to clarify what is really offered and ask questions. We all welcome inquiries... right ladies?

 

Canuck------ said it best.

Quote: "At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage."

 

The erotic massage industry has for sure evolved in Ottawa and was it not for the best? I know I'm having a lot more fun!

 

[bewlayb 7480]

The term GFE started getting used because of a change in the way escorts and other full-service providers started interacting with their clients. At one point in time it was very unusual for these people to kiss their clients or indulge in anything much more than the act itself. (no MSOG, bust a nut and you were done) As the interaction changed over time the term GFE started being used to indicate you were going to get kissing, and other interactions, more than slipping on the condom and getting off. Hence, more like a Girl-friend experience, than a paid service.

 

Yup. That's how I remember the term coming into play.

 

In massage, the term GFE means you are getting that type of massage. Again, as a change in the way service is being offered in that domain. At one point in time (and in certain places still) you would not be able to kiss the MA, you wouldn't shower together, you wouldn't hug and cuddle, you wouldn't be able to reciprocate touch, or do a reverse massage. You would get a rub and a tug. The GFE phrase came along to describe those providers who have a more intimate experience with their clients, including but not limited to the activities listed above.

 

Yup again. In both cases, intimacy (the non-sexual kind) is the primary distinction from the historically more clinical service approach.

 

An observation: It seems we were on the right track with this thread initially. The original poster started a topic specifically asking about a GFE massage (in the massage section, no less). Seven posts in, he expressed his satisfaction with the sensual-oriented massage descriptions given. Suddenly we find ourselves in the midst of a pedantic debate over correct GFE usage; and worse, pundits awaken to remind us that it's actually full service providers who have the exclusive licensing rights to use the term. I don't get it. Why is this so important? And why is it even relevant to this thread, which for all intents and purposes could have ended happily and on-topic 31 posts ago?

[Areez 11906]

If I have a girlfriend that loves to give me sensual massages, is that GFE?

If I see an sp that does it all ... That's also GFE?

For me the term GFE does not belong strictly to SP or MA, its just a acronyms of Girlfriend Experience. Anything that you could enjoy being in a relationship with a girlfriend but subtitute it with SP or MA, is GFE.

Here's another kicker, isnt SP stand for Service Provider? Yes its commonly known as FS Escort, but nonetheless - doesnt MA provides you service? doesnt the cable guy or the waitress at the restaurant provide you service?

Everything around us is evolving, you either choose to follow or be left behind. Word definition evolves, so is acronyms.

Look back 10 years ago. Is "LOL" a known term or even word??

It made it to merriam-webster : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lol

Advertising is a cruel business you have to be able to engage your client and be clear at what you meant while making it all sound enticing. Not like reading a manual.

If it makes one wonder, it worked - the curiousity to find out is there. For the one that does not like suprises, then ask questions? (Like the OP. did)

How many people would wonder about how good their encounter be if they are reading something like "I will hug you when you come, then we can laugh and giggles before proceeding to the shower and then i will give you a great massage, body slides and a handjob at the end" compared to "Sensual GFE Massage that will satisfy you from start to finish (sorry if I steal that line from anyone's ads, I didnt do a search .. lol.). For me clearly the first one is so mechanical, no element of suprises... hardly interesting. As for the second one, you would be thinking of how this MA will treat you during your time together with them - given that there is always boundaries.

bushbeating and my 2 cent... for what its worth...

[Kennidikummings 9755]

OK.. now this is why arguments go to hell in a hand basket around here very quickly. Not that I would ever try and win an argument with Wikipedia being my primary source, but you clipped only the part of the article that supported your argument and left out the very part that disagree with you. The article defines GFE in very different terms for sex-workers in general and even mentions that strippers can offer GFE experience even within the confines of the club, with no intercourse or oral sex.

 

To make me shake my head even more, you advertise yourself on your CERB profile as a "Luxury GFE-MA"

 

 

as per my original post I was just quoting somebody else who I totally agreed with

add as far as me being a luxury gfe ma , i just go with the flow with the way things are done in Ottawa where I come from GFe is explained in 1 way as in Edmonton massage like this does not exist it's all SP services

[Phaedrus 209521]

I'm afraid I completely fail to see why "GFE" must always mean the same thing regardless of context. Is it really so hard to deal with if MAs and SPs use it in slightly different (but related) ways? Are we not intelligent enough to get our heads around that?

 

Since I mentioned FS... although we may all have a definite understanding of what full service is when we're discussing things here, I'm pretty sure it's not the same as what the mechanic does to my car when it's getting a full service in the garage. Although in the interests of full disclosure, I should probably add that I've never actually hung around the garage to find out.

[metoo113 188]

You massage the girl, but you get too sensual and the girl gets pissed because she only wanted a massage, why does everything with you have to lead to sex, you have a big fight and stop talking to each other for the rest of the session. A true GFE massage.

[PistolPete 61421]

Are we not intelligent enough to get our heads around that?

 

Since I mentioned FS... although we may all have a definite understanding of what full service is when we're discussing things here.

 

The only issue I have with the term GFE with an SP is in the advertising the lady using the GFE term.

 

Now I know there is some that have flat out right state in their ad as an SP they are full GFE but once further investigation ( through a pm ) they do not kiss or some in fact do not allow DATY.

 

Sorry but I can't get my head around that ;) I find it a tad misleading. So the term should be used only by those that are really going to give that "GFE" for SP's. As for MA 's well I still do my own investigations and I like the results so far :)

[Krusty 473]

every girlfriend i ever had kissed me

 

in my opinion if you ain't kissing you ain't allowed to say gfe

[fortunateone 156618]

If an MA is advertising herself as a GFE then guys, myself included, will be under the assumption that the session will end either orally or with FS and nothing less. Its the same thing as if your real girlfriend surprised you with an erotic massage after a long day and you ended up having sex. MAs should avoid using GFE and just stick with "sensual, erotic massage" or every customer will be asking for FS.

 

 

Really? I am completely surprised why anyone would consider a GFE Massage ad to end in FS at all. I would think that it was clearly a term for how the massage (as in happy ending) will progress.

 

If that is the case, then a lot of massage providers should be very careful of using the term ever. But like I say, the term GFE was an addon with an extra charge to full service sessions. For some reason, that information might be lost on newer clients perhaps? i would think anyone who was around when it was first brought up as the extra charge add on for extra services would recognize that it specifically refers to activities not including FS, like the kissing, daty, etc that were not previously available from sps.

 

I just don't see any reason to reinterpret what is already been interpreted. Just as sps can't switcheroo what GFE actually is supposed to refer to (at minimum kissing, and anyone who doesn't do at least that should not be using GFE)

[Frank7 3939]

When i was first GFE experience, my first thoughs were that there would be kissing, hugging and the MA would be extra friendly. (and showers! but that's mostly cause it was specified in the first GFE add i saw)

I did ask if DATY was allowed, but i was expecting a no.

 

FS cause an MA said GFE? I really don't get how you can go to that conclusion. Just check the title of this section.

 

GFE is an adjective used to change the next word. It means something different for MA and SP. Just like using good in front of sex is very different then good in front of work day. When someone say he had a good day at work, you don't expect he had an orgasm. If he said good sex however, then you'd assume.

 

And yeah, no DATY/BJ/FS is the norm for GFE MA. Even if it's not to your liking, probably 9 out of 10 GFE MA goes by those rules.

 

For both SPs and MAs, if something is not explicitely said in the add, don't assume and ask. It's really not that hard and most ladies will answer nicely.

[Katrine Cannon 9516]

A GFE Massage for me, It's everything except BJ and FS.

 

So I think it allowed kiss, daty, digit, hj, tits fuck, cob, body slide, shower fun, teasing, cuddling, stuff like this.

 

My opinion :-D

[whiteman 14028]

If an MA is advertising herself as a GFE then guys, myself included, will be under the assumption that the session will end either orally or with FS and nothing less. Its the same thing as if your real girlfriend surprised you with an erotic massage after a long day and you ended up having sex. MAs should avoid using GFE and just stick with "sensual, erotic massage" or every customer will be asking for FS.

Exactly, if you got a massage from your real GF, you'll usually end up having sex with her. That won't be the case with these so-called GFE masseuses.

 

Another point, the worlds of MA's and SP's are converging fast. It's happening because of the challenges to the existing prostitution laws in the courts: there's no point in hiding your head in the sand about this anymore. There are already MA's advertising BJ's as part of their services. If someone wants to say that that makes them escorts and not MA's, then whatever makes your world-view work is fine with me. But these providers are providing mostly a massage first and foremost, with an alternative happy ending, so these providers may really consider themselves MA's.

 

So knowing about these changing times, is it really a good idea for an MA to advertise themselves as GFE when they really have no intention of "going there"? The escort world already had a bad reputation with the term GFE, because many guys complained that they didn't get it when it was advertised: to the point where some providers have had to start using the silly term "True GFE" to differentiate themselves. Is this silliness what's now going to have to happen in the MA world too? Will the "true GFE" masseuses offer BJ's, while the regular GFE masseuses don't?

 

I think the girls that are thinking of using this adjective for their services really should think about this long and hard before going through with adding it to their advertisements, it might save a lot of aggravation for them. I think the existing term "sensual massage" more than accurately reflects what their services are.

[Guest d**eye***y]

Ok, i am confused, pretty much every MP I have visited allowed mutual touching, some kissing, some more, and not all advertised GFE...actually very few did. I just assumed this was part of what you were paying for. Of course YMMV, and not all MP will have a connection with you, but I assumed mutual contact in the form of touching etc was the basic service besides them touching you and release. Guess I am just charming...lol. Sooooooooo.....that being said, GFE to me would mean more than what I have been getting which would be what a girlfriend gives you essentially....which is kissing, BJ, yada yada...the debate continues

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

Exactly, if you got a massage from your real GF, you'll usually end up having sex with her. That won't be the case with these so-called GFE masseuses.

And your girlfriend would probably fuck you without a condom. Your point? It's an experience, not the real deal.

 

I don't advertise as GFE, but honestly, this debate is tired.

[Guest d**eye***y]

Tired debate or not:

 

1) One's actual gf does not charge $ to spend time with them, at least mine never did, so we cannot compare apples to oranges here.

2) The term GFE was always reserved, until lately, for SP

3) Some MP are advertising as GFE and not providing any more service than non-GFE advertised providers, and as such are doing a disservice to themselves, their clients, and the other SPs by creating confusion and grey areas in an industry with plenty of grey areas and bait and switch already.

4) The whole idea of GFE experience, is to give the client what he would otherwise get with an actual girlfriend. And to my knowledge, given most providers would insist in a safe experience, as well as their clients, given the nature of the business, having this experience without a condom is very rarely expected or performed....not like it would be in a monogamous relationship.

 

 

 

And your girlfriend would probably fuck you without a condom. Your point? It's an experience, not the real deal.

 

I don't advertise as GFE, but honestly, this debate is tired.