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Are you smarter than a fifth grader ? No, apparently not. I am appalled lately by the harassment, backstabbing rumour spreading and fear mongering going on by many members out there. It seems many have regressed to the school yard mentality of the social skills of a 10 year old child. You know who you are. Well established providers and clients have fallen victim lately to harassment and smear campaigns. Rumors are abound and pm's fly back and forth. Rather than open discussion and constructive conversation, many around here are spreading untruths that are harmful inaccurate and hurtful. Behavior of this sort is damaging to a tight knit community of this nature, for the most part from what I can tell the rumour spreading and childish behavior is being done by newbies. To those doing the harassment, spreading the rumours and acting like nieve children with your schoolyard tactics...and You know who you are.... grow up, act your age or get out! This forum is for adults and and Mature members. If you are unable to carry yourself in a professional manner and act like an adult then your contributions to this community aren't wanted. To those members who've been targeted by these rumors be strong and believe in yourself for who you are and what you stand for. Trust me, because of my outspokenness on many issues I've been targeted often in the past and I imagine it will continue to on into the future, I don't let it get to me. I just move on and take the accusations for what they are worth... nothing. To the rest of the membership I'd suggest you be careful what you say to people you don't really know, in the private chatrooms or with private messaging. Confidences are being betrayed, words are being twisted and in the midst of it all people are being hurt. Well there you go a little Sunday morning rant to get your week of to a thoughtful provoking start.

Some of the ladies and i have decided to do our friends list a little different: I'm not sure of which ladies are doing this so maybe they can add their name to the list. From now on i will only be adding gents that i know are safe. I have gone through my friends list and deleted people i don't really know...don't take this personally its just a new way for us to feel better protected. If i have deleted you by accident please let me know. If i do not have you on my list but i know you please pm with a detail or 2 of how i know you and i will add you. I can't remember everyone's handle so this is much easier. Just trying to make this a safer place for all involved. kisses, Emma A

It is one thing to ask another male member info regarding contact number etc. It is totally another to ask about personal info about one of the ladies (info not in a recommendation). It is too easy on here to take something and spin it out of control because either a) someone didn't have proper chemistry with a lady and can't seem to get over that you can't click with everyone b) you may have said something to offend the lady, she threw you out and now you're bitter c) you tried to haggle $$ with the lady and you got a mediocre session because your attitude killed the mood d) you didn't take the time to groom yourself properly for the session and didn't take too kindly when she asked you to take a shower e) she asked you politely to give her some extra time to get prepared because she has a life outside this job and stuff does come up (sick kid, babysitter issues etc). I guess I'm starting to go off on a rant too. Sorry. OK - the bottom line is this - and the gals that have met me know this. Recommendations get written as per their request, in terms of how explicit the content is. Personal info exchanged is never divulged in threads, recommendations emails, or personal messages. I have come to become friends with some of the girls here and we have shared many a tale, in some case over drinks, in some cases over other things - you gals are great in my books. Ultimately, I never share anything I would not write in a recommendation, the exception being bait and switch or a safety compromise, or unethical behavior. For those spreading rumors, or trying to discredit others, get real.

SA, I've had that happen to me. It wasn't Bait and Switch, but I just couldn't connect with the gal. It wasn't about looks but personality. She just wasn't my type and perhaps I wasn't her type either. I was a gentlemen and Honorable and followed through with the appointment as I was already there. Hey Cap, Have to watch for the ladies with mustaches... LOL -- I have to agree with your approach. Spud, I agree its very difficult to determine how the date will go on the spur of a moment. Takes a bit of time. Bait and switch is a whole different scenario. I did have a B and S (Out call). The lady that arrived was totally different than picture and advertisement at CL and verbal description given over the phone. Nonetheless, she was acceptable appearance wise so I followed through with the date. In hindsight, I guess I didn't want to make a scene at the Hotel and followed through. However, I think I would handle it differently and not follow through as I realize now it just promotes B and S conduct. Cumquat, I have to agree. Making some sort of monetary restitution in lieu is the honourable thing to do unless it is Bait and Switch with fake pics.

Article from http://ca.tech.yahoo.com/experts/chrisnull/article/3408 Conficker Eye Chart: How it works Many readers have been wondering what the easiest way is to determine whether their computer has been infected with the Conficker worm. Previously I've pointed them to this Conficker Eye Chart -- and that recommendation still holds -- but now I want to respond to further questions about how it works.First, some have looked at the spartan Eye Chart and have worried that it might be, at best, a sham designed to lull you into a false sense of security and, at worst, yet another delivery mechanism for the Conficker worm. It is neither. The Conficker Eye Chart is in reality a very clever way to determine if your computer is compromised, and it doesn't require you to do anything but click one link. Here's how it works, in brief: Visit the web page linked above and you'll see six images: The three on top are for security software websites, and the three on the bottom are the logos of various open source operating system distributions. The clever part of all this is that the logos aren't actually being served from the web page linked above, but are rather drawn directly from the six different websites to which each logo belongs. Conficker (as many other pieces of malware) blocks your web browser from reaching many security websites, so if you don't see some of the security logos on the page, you probably have a problem. Why include the open source logos below it? Because if they don't show up, you are probably simply experiencing an internet connectivity problem instead of being the victim of a malware attack. Whatever you see on the Eye Chart page, just scroll down a bit to determine how to interpret the images in question. Different strains of Conficker will cause a different set of logos to appear (since Conficker.B doesn't block the SecureWorks logo). Of course, you should also remember that many other viruses and worms block access to security software websites, so not seeing some or all of the images could also be a symptom of a different infestation. If you see all the logos, you're probably in the clear. One point to remember is that Conficker's creators -- or someone -- have been attempting to attack the Eye Chart page directly, so the page may not load at all. If that's the case, don't assume you have Conficker; it's probably just a temporary site outage. (I am also getting sporadic reports that some of the images aren't showing up right now -- namely the SecureWorks logo in the upper center -- but again, this is a traffic overload issue. Try back later.) Instead, try one of these other sites, which are also hosting the exact same Eye Chart and which will work exactly the same way. > joestewart.org > talkbiz.com > confickerworkinggroup.org

I was in Ottawa for a few days and looking for some companionship. My preference is petite. Had tried a few emails to try and set something up prior to time in Ottawa, but my schedule changed at last minute. When I got to Ottawa started research, sent a PM to babybambi and she reponded almost immediately, finally picked up phone & called her. She was pleasant and easy to talk with on phone and easy to set up outcall appointment. I have not covered all that she offers, thats for you to find out and as always YMMV. I opted for 2 hours thank God I did, 1 hour would not have been enough to enjoy all this Angel has to offer. She arrived on time and was even better looking than photos on website. Welcomed with a big hug and passionate kiss. We talked a bit so that we got comfortable with each other, can she ever carry on a great conversation. Then it was onto the main event, I will not go into details thats between her and I but she is very talented & an awesome young woman. She loves to DFK, daty,and a variety of positions. I was able to cum 2 times and she has a favorite position for herslf to orgasm, it was great to see the expression on her face when she did. She's very cuddly and loves to snuggle up and be cuddled. You guys in Ottawa are so lucky to have this Angel in your presence, please treat her right. Will I repeat? Yes everytime I am back in Ottawa.:-D

I didn't wear my wedding ring for years because my finger was more important than the symbol, and I have seen too many co-workers who have either lost their ring finger or had all the skin stripped off. Now that I do a different job, I wear my ring all the time, only removing it if I go into areas where it may be a hazard. I have non problem wearing it. Most SPs I am with probably would have known I'm married anyway. For those who aren't sure, I hope it is an extra level of security for them, as I'm sure most of us married guys don't want to cause any problems which could spill over into our regular lives.

Agreed Hunter, the only reason I could put forward is- does the guy take info you provide back to the SP and twist it into lies for the benefit of hurting another hobbiest reputation? Or do they twist the truth to get you (out of the way) because of pure jealousy? Don't worry I have had heard seen the rumor BS started especially the last time that had myself and CK, into a little bee's nest. But because of great friends here at CERB we stuck through the BS and slander. Sorry but it is the main reason I stay out of the CHAT room, too much said about others in whisper mode. And again I do not indulge in free info about SP's. (unless in a recommendation or pm with well known trusted posters).

I think it would be a great idea just like it was an outstanding idea to start this thread. It doesn't really matter who thought about this first what is important is that it has been written. You hit the mark here, better to be sure. Being a high poster is no guaranty. And I think that is part of the point the ladies are trying to get accross here. Just becuse you write Posts doesn't mean you are active in the business. Some SPs would tell you they have had people clients they thought were very reputable on here try to pull a fast one on them. And I know this has happened on more then one occasion. It is not always the newbies causing them trouble and it can be most frustrating for the ladies when someone they thought they could trust is actually causing trouble. What really makes your reputation is how you treat the ladies when you meet them. They are not just objects for our own pleasure and should not be treated that way. They are ladies and deserve to be treated with the upmost respect. It is all about attitude, trust and being honest. Don't say one thing to the lady when you see her and then come in chat or go on other boards and badmouth her. I don't consider myself better then the next person but that is how I believe the ladies deserve to be treated and I must say it has served me well. I have not been turned away by anyone. Now I do have ladies on my friends list I had not had the pleasure of meeting except for some conversations in chat. I have always been honest about the fact that I am not a high volume hobbiest in the sense I don't feel I need to see every lady that are in or do visit Ottawa. I like to see fewer ladies but enjoy repeating as I appreciate the confort level I get from seeing someone I know. And I also do have a budget. Therefore should any ladies who have me on their friends list, who I have not had the pleasure of meeting yet, want to delete me please do so. Your safety means a whole lot more to me then being on a friends list. I have always been in the opinion that you need to stick together and that will make CERB a better, and safer community for everyone. This idea is an excellent way to go about it.

honestly i would never ask someone about a sp they have seen for the simple reason because they think she is good dosen't mean that i would feel the same way so it's best to try them out for yourself and that way there you can't blame anyone else if you don't think she's good alot of guys have said some were good and heard from others that they weren't so the best thing to do is try them out for yourself

I never really make a rash decision on how I feel about an SP when I or they, first walk in the door. I totally agree with Capitalman, you need at least an hour to decide how you feel and if there is any chemistry between you. I have been with some drop dead gorgeous women who have bored the crap out of me! It's not about looks, it's about personality, that's what makes the time you spend together worth while. Bait and switch is a whole other matter. Like many other members, I have zero tolerance for and very quickly show the lady the door, or if it is an incall, I just leave. I did have a pimp, or boyfriend, not sure who they were once try and stop me from leaving the girl's place. Poor guy never knew what hit him! HAHAHA! B&S is just something I won't put up with!

Personally I sold mine for 75 pounds in Plymouth, took the money and went to strip club, got drunk and went home with the hot Hungarian dancer! It was the best use I got out the wedding ring! Needless to say, I am a happily divorced man! :D

As a SP I personally would prefer that the client was honest with me right from the start and just respectfully tell me that there is no physical attratction rather then forcing one. I would respect that see him out and go on with my day. I really believe both individuals should be completly happy if one is not then its better to go your own seperate ways. I have had this happen to me once when I first started out and was still working on getting back in shape, the guy polietly told me he thought by my pictures I was smaller. Ever since then I have made sure my pictures show off all angles of my body.

This has happened to me. A few times I've gone ahead with the date, hoping for the best. Usually I wish I hadn't though. Lately I'm trying a new approach. Politely I say, "I'm sorry, but I've changed my mind. I'm just not into <blank>." and then I've given the girl maybe 40 or 60 bucks and left. <blank> is whatever you want, the smell of pot, the fact that she has a moustache, trashy place, whatever. I think this is more than fair and respectful and I see nothing wrong with it, especially if the girl has falsely advertised.

I have not had too many encounters, but on one or two occasions, this has happened. Sometimes it is not just the physical attraction, it might be the general attitude or lack of receptiveness of the sp. I, like you, went ahead to the date. I feel that a commitment is a commitment, unless of course there was some deceipt involved. In the end, was not a very rewarding experience, but I guess some times it is the chase, not the capture that is the element of excitment

To identify every sadist, serial killer, rapist, incestuous father, tyrant, dictator, warmonger, slave trader, child exploiter, child abuser, woman beater, drug dealer, animal abuser, conqueror, religious fanatic BEFORE BIRTH and abort them all. And then live in peace and security with the rest :)

First of all it is politically incorrect to say third world country.. plus some of the countries he quotes were part of the 2nd world countries. 1st world equalled democratic industrialized country so the us and its allies, 2nd world equalled communist industrialized country so russia and its allies, and thrid world was the rest, so the non industrialized, and the ones in state of conflict or just the neutral, non-alligned countries. Since the communist governement of Russia fell down in the cold war, so has the second world. In academic circles it is better to use the terms, developing country or newly industrialized countries. They should learn how to speak properly. Second, 'When a country legalizes prostitution, it lives off the avails of prostitution through taxation and in effect becomes a pimp.' HELLO, it might be illegal in canada to live on the avails of prostitution but its not like that everywhere. Plus, you don't think that fining or liscencing these ladies isn't living off the avails.. thats what we do in Canada. I believe the big problem people have is not with selling sex for money, but deep down it is about women sexuality. As a society we have trouble accepting that women enjoy sexuality, or have the possibility to enjoy sexuality. This goes as much for the wives and girlfriends then for the prostitutes. How can I be a victim if I see sexuality as something positive, a sharing of personal moments and erogenous zone. A coming together of two human beings in a pysical and mental way with sensuality and passion at times, but in an animalistic sweaty active fun playful act at other times. In the conversation about exploitation, we need to seperate the ladies who are victims: trafficked, underaged, controled by pimps, raped ect, with the ones entering this by choice of profession. I want a source for the 89% of prostitutes want out quote. I am sure that study is biased like most studies involving humans especially ones using a moralistic approach.

Many professions like teachers, real-estate, sales commission, construction etc all go lengths of time between getting paid and have to plan for it. Teacher?s budget knowing they will have 2 months off every summer without pay and 2 weeks at Christmas, week at spring break etc. People who sell real estate have to budget to make their money last between selling homes as they never know how much time might be between sales, they might go 6 months before they sell another house. Many guys in construction don?t work for 2 or 3 sometimes 4 months over the winter. These people still pay their bills. I personally went into this business knowing I would only work 3 weeks with 1 week off. Many times I would have liked to work but I just can?t do it for a variety of reasons. I do have sex with my bf that time of the month but once again that is my personal life which is different from my work. Each to their own.

it should still be there:grin: