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Hello Cerb..!! I would like to have your opinion about a subject that I would like to share with you for a long moment. I know that a similar thread has been do in another forum from another province but I thought it was important to make one for Ottawa. I have been solicited, Im sure Im not the only one, for ''only this service'' and not being offered the respect for my time or sessions. As well, the fact of underpricing, cutting price for these '' onlys''. There's a lot of users who asked me ''Whats your rate only for a BJ'' or ''I want one hour but not intercourse...'' Maybe Im wrong, but I dont see a difference between having intercourse or not in my session. So, what happen to our time?? Why ''just'' a BJ doesnt worth the same thing than intercourse ???? Probably some girls offering a '' BJ price '' and I respect that but some users have to respect girls who doesnt. I think that we are not offering ''just this'' or ''that service'' but a COMPLETE service even if you are SP or MA. Should we reduce our rates but start to ask extra for everything?? If you want to kiss here, its +x$... if you want to touch here its +x$... sounds ridiculous no? I think its the same thing for us when we are solicited like this. Maybe Im wrong, so that is why I asked for you opinion and I think we need to talk about it if we want to inform new users. Ps: Sorry For my english..... ;)

There are always tidbits about clock watching on here and wanted to share my 2cents. Being called a "Clock Watcher" is NOT a compliment by ANY means is it? But let's get real shall we? A set appointment is a particular time from beginning to end. Obviously, if someone were to constantly and overtly be looking at their watch it would put one off. However, if I Dare to look in the direction of the clock I do not want to be called a "CW"! In fact, it would at times be appreciated if visitors Were CW'ers from time to time....instead of s l o w l y dressing and chatting 10 - 15 minutes after said time. No, it is not that I have been called that Bad Name, but do I look at the clock? You're damn right I do; certainly discreetly, it is not as though I am saying, "Honey, move your shoulder - I can't see the time." One Must be attentive to time (as with say a RMT, it is up to them to tell when the service is completed). In my opinion, the provider ought to be watching. Yes, I have gone over time (and very rarely thanked for it or compensated with a courtesy tip), but please do not take advantage of this kindness. It seems to me that if you look at the time you are criticized and if you are generous with it you are taken advantage of (somewhat self-imposed in order to maintain a good rep). This simply is not right and wanted to share my opinion. I welcome you to share yours as well.

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Today's lesson is brought to you by the Letters Y, M, another M and V. And of course boys and girls, all together that means, Your Mileage May Vary. That means that what I describe here as my experience, may not be your experience. I don't need to explain why, it is among other things chemistry, trust, and familiarity with the people. I have seen both of these ladies multiple times, so there is a level of comfort and familiarity that others may not enjoy. So now on with the show!!! If you didn't already know, I am a big fan of both Katedot and Cleo Catra. I have seen both ladies on multiple occasions. I know they had both met at a social event some month's back, but I know they hadn't seen each other since, and had never worked together. I knew them both well enough to be pretty sure that they would complement each other, and would have a great time. So the gears started turning in my little mind, and I started planning to get them together. With a little luck and good timing, the girls met to discuss, and we had a date. I arrived Chez Cleo at the appointed hour and knocked at the door. I was surprised that the door was opened by the lovely Kate. There she was in a short black top and no pants, a happy smile on her face. We had a lovely hello kiss, and as I was taking off my coat and shoes Cleo appeared, dressed in a white tank top and panties. Again a quick kiss hello, and then we opened the bottle of wine I had brought for the occasion. Australian wine of course in honour of Cleo's impending vacation. We stood there savouring the wine and chatting, sharing a few laughs. It wasn't long before Cleo said, we should get this show on the road. I put down my glass, reached my arms out and drew the two lovelies in close to me on either side. I hesitated a bit and this caused Cleo to remark "Look at him, he can't decide which of us to kiss first." That was true, but I was also going for a little build up of anticipation. Since she spoke first I leaned in to give Cleo a kiss, her soft lips against mine, the tips of our tongues flicking together. Then I turned my head and repeated the same with Kate. I alternated this a couple of times, lips and tongues intertwining, then I stood back and watched as they kissed each other. There was definitely no prodding needed for that. Needless to say by this time the front of my jeans were stretching out of shape. Realizing that while standing in the kitchen in a triangular necking circle was cool, it would be so much better in the bedroom, so we headed off. The girls both removed their shirts and I my jeans and shirt, so that the three of us were in our underwear. The girls looked incredibly sexy in their bras and panties. We continued to kiss and caress building up the excitement level slowly and tenderly. Then the bras came off and two pairs of the most exquisite breasts came into view, and into play. I leaned over to Kate, gave her a kiss that continued down her neck and shoulders until I had one of her delectable and responsive nipples in my mouth. As I sucked and teased her breasts, I looked up to see the two girls kissing. Then I turned my head and took one of Cleo's nipples into my mouth. She sat back while Kate kissed her way down and took the other nipple into her mouth. Kate and I made eye-contact and shared a pleased glance as we both sucked and licked Cleo's nipples and heard her little moans of contentment. (were they purrs?) Of course as this was going on, both of the ladies were taking the opportunity to play with my cock as it pushed hard against my shorts. They were experts at teasing and making me get even harder, as if that were possible. Soon the remaining underwear was on the floor, and we were at it in earnest. Kate soon took charge and pushed Cleo back on the bed, crawled between her legs and started to lick her pussy. This provoked some moans of delight from both girls. I crawled up beside Cleo to kiss her and play with her breasts as Kate's tongue and mouth worked their magic between Cleo's legs. It was at this point that I think Cleo had her first orgasm. I am certain it wasn't her last. I slowly kissed my way down her body towards where Kate was licking. As I got down there she raised her head, and we kissed so that I could taste Cleo's juices on her lips. I then continued on my journey kissing slowly down Kate's back as she resumed pleasuring Miss Cleo. When I got to her lower back my hand carressed her beautiful bum, and then slid between her thighs where I discovered to no surprise that she was very wet. I slid my finger into her pussy, which caused her to moan; her back arched and she pushed back against my fingers. I fingered her pussy for a bit before moving her sideways so that my mouth could have access to her tasty wetness. There we were, Kate licking Cleo, me licking Kate and Cleo stroking my cock. A perfect example of teamwork and multi-tasking. For the next configuration change, Cleo decided she had to return the favour to Kate and do a little licking herself. As she pushed Kate back, she quickly had another idea and reached to the bedside table for a condom, which she quickly applied to my cock. She leaned her head between Kate's legs and pushed her own bum in my direction to give me access to her well lubricated and ready pussy. As I slid into her, she remarked that Kate has a very "pretty kitty" which surprisingly, was not the first time I had heard another woman say that very thing. She started licking and playing with Kate's pussy as I fucked her doggie. Kate was looking up at me, obviously enjoying the show, and as I could tell she had at least one "eye's rolling back" orgasm. Of course Cleo was not immune and had to occasionally stop licking as she had a "moment" or two of her own. I pulled out of Cleo, knelt down behind her and kissed the back of her thighs, and licked at her pussy. She then spun around from Kate, came down to my end of the bed, and pulled the condom off so that she could start sucking my cock. What followed was one of the "porn movie" highlights. As I stood on the floor at the end of the bed, the two very pretty ladies were kneeling on either side of my cock, licking and sucking up its length. Licking up the length together, they were taking turns taking it into their mouths, stopping to kiss each other, or have their tongues intertwine on my member. It was an image that will stay with me for a very long time. Kate then took the initiative and reached for another condom. Cleo was pushed back on the bed and Kate knelt forward allowing me to enter her doggie as she was dining on the kitty's kitty. At first I thought this might be a challenge as Kate and I have had issues with Doggie before. Although we are the same height, she has much longer legs than mine and we have often found trouble getting in a good spot for doggie. Perfect height for kissing and looking eye-to-eye, but not so much for rear entry sex. However, like in the Goldilocks story, Cleo's bed was just right, and all of our parts alligned perfectly. I grabbed Kate by the hips and pulled her pussy back onto my hard cock as she eagerly dined at Cleo's Y. Cleo was lying back, taking it all in and admiring a view that she described as very hot. I can say the look of her experiencing an orgasm as a result of Kate's work was equally hot. I think Cleo also liked it that she got a close up view of Kate having to stop for a second or two to have her own orgasm from us fucking. I then realised that there was one pussy in the room I had yet to lick during this session, and as I said that out loud Cleo's face lit up and she responded with a "Yes please!" I crawled between her legs kissing my way up her thighs to feast on her delectable pussy. As I was doing that Kate decided that it was time to suck my cock again, and she started with one of her incredible blowjobs. The girl certainly has oral skills. I used my mouth and fingers to tease and excite Miss Cleo, all the while she was looking down at how Kate was ministering to me. Watching Cleo orgasm, while at the same time Kate was using her hands and mouth to stimulate me was more than I could take. Cleo sensed this, looked at me and said "You are giving an orgasm just as you are about to have one, that is hot!" And she was very right. Kate sensed it as well, and continued to pump my cock with her hand just as my body started to convulse with an intense and prolonged orgasm, as I was locked into eye contact with an orgasming Cleo. Then, not satisfied Kate continued to play with and tease my now very sensitive cock so that I twitched and moaned some more. I am not usually an overly vocal person during sex, but I am sure the noises I was making could be heard two floors up. I looked down at Kate and there she was, my cock still firmly in her hands, held next to her face. She was displaying a "cat who ate the canary smile"; at the same time sexy, playful and satisfied. What made it hotter was that there was a small dribble of my cum running down her chin. I don't think an erotic photographer could have come up with a more exciting and evocative image. Kate reliquished her grip on my cock, crawled up beside me and into my arms to give me a warm and passionate kiss. Now I am sure some of the guys are going "Ewwww" at this, a kiss after a BJ, but not me. It was affectionate and intense. Something that turned me on incredibly. All three of us kissed a bit, and then Cleo jumped up and said, "Time for more wine!" We moved to the kitchen where the three of us stood around naked enjoying another glass of wine and trying to get our respective hearts back to a resting rate. That was particularly hard for me as I was looking at two of my favourite naked ladies. Or is that two of my favourite ladies, naked? All too soon the wine was gone, and it was time for me to get dressed and leave this little bit of heaven on earth. When I was dressed I gave them both a warm hug and a kiss tonight. I was a bit embarassed when Cleo said I was a genius for suggesting this in the first place. I just know people, and I had chatted and seen the both of these ladies enough to know the three of us were going to get along famously. Both Kate and I did say there was going to be a "Welcome Home Cleo" party when she returns from down under, and I have no doubt that it is going to be even hotter. I know we are all in violent agreement that it is going to happen again. I can't recommend these two ladies highly enough, either singly, or together. Of course the YMMV disclaimer applies. I have seen both of these ladies multiple times, and chatted with them often as well. There was a level of familiarity and compatability between us that made this event great and the services may be different for someone seeing them the first time. That is only common sense. All and all it was a legendary night, and to borrow a line from Californication, it was an event that "has my dick writing me thank-you letters!" :P

We've had many conversations about the terms for women's body types and how subjective the standard terms are. It seems odd to me that, while we companions must go to great lengths to describe ourselves so that a potential new client will be happy with the person he meets at the door, the assumption is that we will easily entertain anyone who pays the fee, regardless of his size, age or personal habits. Frankly, I do think that most women are much more open to engaging with a wide variety of male shapes and sizes, but it's also true that we may have difficulty accommodating certain types. For example, I'm a curvy woman, yet meeting the needs of a new client who visited me before Christmas was a challenge. He must have weighed close to 400 pounds, and what he really wanted was to have missionary sex. I did try, but I just couldn't breathe with him on top of me. In my experience, men are generally less accurate in their descriptions of themselves than most women are. Have a look at dating sites and personal ads. Nearly every man over 40 believes he looks 10 years younger than his chronological age. It also seems that an average weight for a six-foot tall man ranges from 175 to 240 pounds. A man has to weigh close to 300 pounds before he's likely to state that he's overweight. I don't expect the double standard to go away anytime soon. I also live in the real world and I greatly prefer the company of middle-aged and older men. I don't expect any of them to be an Adonis. Most of the men who visit me are senior executives, lawyers, doctors, and other sedentary professionals. Almost every one of them is overweight to some degree. I don't mind, most of the time, but it does make a difference to our encounter. It's not about aesthetics, gentlemen. The sad fact is that your body type probably affects your performance and I want you to have a good time. If I know that you're a big guy or that you smoke, I will also know that you're likely to have some erectile difficulties and that your stamina may not be what it once was, with or without Viagra. You're more likely to have high blood pressure and/or diabetes, too, and any medications you may take for these conditions will probably affect you. On the other hand, if you're six feet tall, weigh no more than about 200 pounds and you don't smoke, I will know that you're far less likely to have erectile trouble and are far more likely to be able to go for more than one round in a couple of hours. Your size and physical fitness do make a difference to the kind of encounter we may have no matter how beautiful you may consider me to be. To have a good time, you may care about looks. I care about your health.

First question that comes to mind, why no cell phone...cheap throwaway phones under $100.00 are available. I'm was one of the last (pre hobbying days) to get on the cell phone craze, now I'm converted, all I have is a cell phone. (not only for calls, but texting too) As for a lady, there are alot that do not require references, as WIT said. Using the search function on CERB, you'll find alot of great ladies. If we knew what city you were going to be in, some suggestions could be made. But just because you have alot of money and higher end tastes (not actually sure what that means) doesn't get your foot in the door. When you see a profile of a lady that interests you, contact her. Be a gentleman. Be respectful in your questions. Put simply, treat them like ladies...because they are. In person, again, be a gentleman...as a matter of fact cardinal rule #1, ALWAYS BE A GENTLEMAN. And hygiene (freshly showered, shaved, brush your teeth, mouthwash etc) Don't show up under the influence. Be punctual, and if running late, phone the lady to let her know. If you have to cancel, call her, let her know. Others may have more pointers and tips...that's all I can think of past my bedtime Good luck and have fun RG

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I thought the donation was for the lady's time, not what was picked off the menu so to speak I found much more satisfaction with my encounters when I became less menu focused (took only 3 encounters to discover this) and instead enjoy the entirety of the lady's company. The initial meeting and conversation is just (at least for me) as important to the encounter as the sexual side of the encounter. (yes I was surprised to discover this) Any guy who even wants to negotiate your rate don't see him. He has no respect for you and frankly, he would consider it an insult if in his job his salary was negotiated down. As much as this is an escape/fantasy/date etc for the guys, this is the ladies bread and butter, their livelihood, and they do it so well My 2 cents RG

Without being too crass or disrespectful, our lovely ladies are business women who make appointments and then take the time to prepare themselves to receive us. Naturally, there are occasions when an appointment may run over the agreed upon time. But to continuously try and extend an appointment is not correct and should be discouraged. We are adults and know what time we are requesting for an encounter. If you want to spend more time with the lady, book a longer appointment. Just because you have met with Mlle XYZ for several delightfully sexy rendezvous, do not expect her to prolong the time.

Excellent thread, Samantha. It is one which has entered my mind, but for which I never started a thread. Everyone seems so concerned about the body types for the ladies of CERB, but rarely do we discuss the men. :icon_lol: My personal belief is that body types are simply classifications. Being a sexual adventurer, nothing is a disincentive. An individual's personality is what counts, not the container. And how does one really discover the personae? Make an appointment, communicate honestly and be respectful of others. Voila.

Hopefully that 400 lb guy reads these forums and will be a little more considerate. I think your points are well thought out. I'm one of those guys whose nearly six foot and my weight has crept up from about 180 during my forties to my present 235 lb. I quit smoking and take my medication for colesertol and blood presure. As I've turned sixty, I'm still adjusting to changes in my libido. As they say, there may be snow on the roof, but that doesn't mean the fire has gone out.

I know just what you mean...I am very generous with my time too, especially if they have not finished within their selected time, I feel it would be wrong to say: OK..YOUR TIME IS UP... I will give them the extra time, but at the same time I feel , if you KNOW you are not a HALF HOUR kinda guy, and require longer ,,,,well then you should book longer...I have recently stopped providing half hour services due to the fact that I am low volume and hate the pressure of rushing. I do however still accept half hour sessions to a handful of regular clients...and one of them always goes over his time, and he is fully aware...because he always pays me afterwards ( I trust him) and checks the time out too, so I know he knows he is usually overstaying the time he requests...and he NEVER compensates me for it...... Since it's been a few times now, I have no choice but to inform him we have 30 minutes or so to spend together....not 50 minutes for a 30 minute rate. Being the super friendly person I am, I always feel awkward to indicate this....I feel like I am going to hurt their feelings or come of as rude...or worse, lose a client. It's nice to be paid to do what you like, but at the same time this is a business otherwise we would all be doing it for free right? Sounds harsh, but it is what it is :ThankYou:

Most of my guests visit during the day so we call it a mini vacation especially if its an extended visit. Just seems to be more fun when you call it a vacation! :icon_smile:

I used to watch the clock, but it only got one channel. Now I have TV. Life is much better.

I am very conscientious of the clock, but wouldn't say I am a watcher myself. I don't want to run past my time with the lady, but at the same time don't want to be rushed at the end. I pretty much always book an hour, so I must be getting pretty good at having a sense when this is up. And if I am at the end of my time, I will not hang around and chat. Actually, for some that know me, a chatter I am not. It is really about two-way respect, and sometimes when you arrive at the location, the lady isn't ready, and she should not try to make this time up for her next appointment by cutting this one short. A few times, I have felt this way, this is about the only time I feel non-at-ease. So guys, remember, be respectful, and that means that you need to keep a general eye on things and when your time is up, or near up, it is time. If the lady obviously wants to chat, I would say that is okay, but make sure it is not you that is extending things.

I use Virgin pay as you go Phone I have is a LG RumourII Guess the only virgins we'll find on this site are cell phones LOL RG

I do watch the clock but do it discreety and it's not because I can't wait to get out of there or hate my job. SPs have other obligations and clients to attend to and while clients don't necessarily like to think of this in order to fulfill their fantasy of the SP just focusing on them, it would be foolish of them to think otherwise so they also need to be aware of the time. I usually don't have this problem because I only escort during daytime hours and the clients I see are visiting me on their lunch hour so this hasn't really been a problem. The only issue I've had is when people linger for 10-15 minutes afterwards. A few in particular I've had to tell them that I had to be somewhere else for a certain time and that I wasn't trying to be rude. What I don't like is when someone tries to prolong a half hour or hour appt and purposely not "finishing" because they want to hang on longer. I no longer put up with someone trying to take advantage of me. Or there have been situations where I was a bit more lackadaisical with the time and the client expected it every single time afterwards and got upset when I did want or have to leave on time. Consider this a privlege, not a right and respect the time. I feel I offer a good service and do so within the time frame that the client is paying for. After the time is up and the SP has fulfilled what the customer was looking for, she is not obligated to do anything else.

Well I wonder where I fit in here. Its not always the case but right now I weigh 140, stand 5 5 and you can bounce a dime off my well toned butt or anywhere else for that matter. Size 4, a spinner? I think not, but I don't fit into any other catagory either. I think I will forget all the catagories because the body will eventully fail us all and we will have to rely on our sparkeling personalities. :-) Perhpas some clients come to visit because of my reported physical condition but I think they come back because they are treated like kings and if I'm a spinner or a BBW it makes no difference in the end.

As someone who regularly attends church, I'm having some trouble with this one ... frankly that's a remarkable statement to make. The difference is that one is a little old lady and the other one is trying to kill a lot of innocent people. With all respect, equating the two seems to imply an huge amount of insecurity as to the role of organized religion in society. I personally believe in a woman's right to choose, but most of the people who object are less concerned with controlling other people lives and decisions than they are in simply trying to protect what they perceive to be unborn human life. Its a really difficult topic and tears at people's hearts. BTW, Ken Phelps doesn't represent organized religion any more than your average radical Islamc cleric nutjob represents most Muslims.

There is no excuse for not having the correct amount available when you go for a session. If you don't have the correct amount, always over pay, so if it is $250 you would pay $260, you don't give under the donation request. If you are spending that much to see a lady, what the hell is an extra $10, especially if you had a decent time.