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I am going by some other SPs. There are some who call themselves "safe" GFE's who DO allow daty without dental dam, but not bbbj. Some allow kissing, others do not, but they still use the same word to describe themselves. I personally do not think a lady should refer to herself as a GFE if she does not allow kissing or DATY, because these are things a girlfriend would do, so how can you have that "experience" if you are not experiencing it. No wonder the fellas are confused! I was just saying that it's not "just" about menu items, but that is part of it. Otherwise why use the term, then to describe yourself? To say you are a GFE strictly because you do not want to come across as cold and mechanical is ridiculous. GFE or not, all SPs should be friendly, outgoing and unrushed. Using the term GFE does not automatically mean some is that, so the term is uselss if it's not backed up. Because there are so many different definitions out there, I believe it's best for the guys to ask up front what that includes if it is not specified on a menu. I do not get offended by that question, because how else are they supposed to know. Additional Comments: If you consider BBBJ to be PSE, not GFE, then I would say someone like yourself might want to advertise as a "safe" GFE, because despite how you may define it, I can tell you having done this for years, that many people do consider BBBJ as part of the GFE experience. By distinguishing yourself as "safe" GFE, they are more likely to know you do not engage in bbbj. You didn't say whether you offer DATY, because that can also be "assumed". Which is why I keep getting back to the point, that I believe the lady needs to be clear about what she does and does not do so there is no confusion. But many do not like listing a "menu" and with others it YMMV, so really it can get confusing like I said. I know I'm probably going to get jumped on for this and I am repeating myself, but I just want to re-iterate that I believe the term GFE is way over-used. It should not be the distinction between cold and mechanical and unrushed and friendly. It's one thing to say it's about the "experience", but what does that really mean. Just that you're "unrushed" and more "friendly". I believe GFE or not, every SP should be that way.

I don't disagree with you in the least that there is a sexual side (or menu side) of the GFE. I just am of the opinion that the GFE is more than just the list of services that's all, and in my experience, the GFE begins before clothes are even removed. Merely providing sexual services and nothing more is not IMHO a GFE. And as a footnote, for those who want just a menu of services, nothing more, there isn't anything wrong with that. One thing about this hobby is there is something and someone for everyone RG

RG, let me try to understand the above... GFE is more then services offered, it's also an attitude BUT PSE is only "services off a menu"??? Would you care explaining that one to me? I know that some GFE ladies (I'm excluding myself in this one) will accept outcall rendez-vous at "no tell motels"... Does that make them less GFE in your books or do you think it has to do with a poor BFE (boy friend experience)? ;) RG, I have to comment on this one... I'm a total GFE companion, both in attitude including acronyms (ldk, dfk, bj, daty, hj, covered fs, msog, sensual erotic massages) and I go out regurlarly on dinner dates with my gentlemen. Now, I do not advertise as PSE because PSE also includes some acronyms I'm not comfortable providing (cim and greek) but I do not lack one ounce of the PSE attitude once I am alone with my gentleman and will also partake in other PSE pleasures like foot fetishes, cob, light domination, etc... So it is possible for a lady to be both GFE and PSE or simply PSE without having to "order off a menu". PSE is also an "attitude" just like GFE is! Side note: Some PSE ladies will charge more for certain activities such as GREEK but I have seen safe GFE ladies become "unsafe" and advertise BBBJ for extra too. What would we call that? A service off a "menu"?

Obviously it's tricky for anyone to comment without knowing the details of the OP's situation. A few questions that might be worth considering, however... Why did you start hobbying in the first place? And then why did you carry on? What does hobbying give you that your SO doesn't? If you stopped hobbying, could your SO fill the gap that left? And would she be prepared to do so? And is your hobbying perhaps a symptom of some deeper, underlying problem? I wouldn't expect you to actually post the answers to these questions here (or even advise you to do so, for that matter, given how personal they are) - but you might find that thinking through them gives you some more answers of your own. HTH

4000? I thought you passed that and were in the 100,000 range.... geebus! Gratz!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with what you're saying in regards to the term GFE not being strictly about specific acts. It is also in the SP's attitude and demeanor towards her clients. Chemistry also makes it that much better. As for the term "True GFE", I don't think this term should be considered a new term. You are either a GFE or you aren't. Many women in this business who aren't GFE won't cop to this fact because they are afraid they will lose business. So they throw this term around loosely in their ads. I don't think "true GFE" should even be considered a new acronym because essentially it's still GFE just with a new word added on to it. Many clients are confused already and this new term isn't helping.

Some more confusion to add to the True GFE Vs. GFE Here is some examples of advertising right off web sites from ladies of Cerb or Agencies (which could be very mis-leading, or in fact there is no mis-leading you must ask the question) GFE Details...mmmmmm 1) 'Full GFE + ' ( okay + what? ) us gents need to ask the question 2) 'The ultimate GFE attitude' ( Attitude? we all have attitude right?) 3) 'Escorts providing True GFE & PSE ' Some do services that are safe and others do not, such as CBJ VS BBBJ is how I understand this ad. 4) 'PSE with Attitude' ( will she spank me too?) 5) 'Safe Elite GFE Companionship' ( I think the safe part is the safe to say, and I'm good with safe too :icon_wink: ) 6) 'Wonderfully Open-minded GFE is a true gem' ( when I go on a date with a lady I'm very open minded too :icon_smile: ) 7) ' A modern sensual companion' (There is no list of services,there is no menu) 8 Off her list of services 'I do not speak greek' but she listed everything else under the sun, and advertises as a GFE provider. 9) 'Borderline as a PSE behind closed doors (Does that mean if the door is open the level of service drops off from PSE? LOL just joking folks, when they advertised as such, again it is YMMV. 10)'My fees are a reflection of the exceptional service I provide. I genuinely enjoy meeting sophisticated gentlemen whose wish is to indulge in first class companionship'. (She markets herself this way, has no menu!! does not state safe GFE or PSE etc etc, simply has a set rate for time spent with her as she calls it 'room service' I have met her twice and she is exactly like the girl friend experience where there is all types of sexual activities from DFK to BBBJ but again it is YMMV . 11) Lastly the ladies that advertise 'packages' they show their rates but not their services or even say if they are GFE or not. So us gents are to a degree mis-lead but in fact what the ladies are saying is or can be true it is all in YMMV to perhaps get that extra mileage in a date. Personally, I think us gentlemen love the chase, and love the question and answer relationship with an SP when communicating for a date through email of here through a pm. I normally can tell, and get a very good vibe from a lady through communication. Happy chasing gents! ' I do hate the term GFE as well '

I'm self employed so I didn't even know it was a long weekend. I would have relized it some time on Monday when I found myself all alone at the office except for maybe the cleaning crew.

Sad news :( He was my favourite.

Married...that is why I am a member of Cerb. If I were single I wouldn't need to be here. Ha ha

First of all, I'll quote mm99, because why are some people here concerned about some pictures taken from me dressed as a nun? It shocks your "religious" eyes? wow!! How many here are hiding from their wifes and/or bosses looking at this site? or cheating on them? Isn't that disrepect to the 10 commandments? So?!... Many, and I mean many men/clients have a fetish for this, so I'm just catering to this fetish! Anything bad in this? It's not like I'm going to show up in church this Sunday dressed like that! Think about like if we would be Hollywood actors in a Nun role... not much more than that! Ladies, in the eyes of the church we are sinners and we will go to hell... so please spare me the "disrespect" word. In a few words: It's just a Roleplay that some gentlemen like and a part of this "business"... who am I to refuse "business"? May God bless you all... sinners!! ;-P Athana xoxox PS: Thank you (you know who you are) for pointing out this thread, I had completely missed it... too busy "confessing"! hahaha (joke) Additional Comments: Voila... it's not so complicated to understand!