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My personal perspective has always been that sharing time with an SP is a privilege, regardless of the donation. And that the ladies deserve respect and dignity no matter how much may have changed hands. Yes, seeing them may well be a fantasy, but without them and their hospitality to begin with, there is no opportunity for that fantasy (the old chicken and the egg quandry). I could never accept that there are some out there who think that simply because they have donated to a lady to share her time that they can judge or demean her based on their own uninformed views of her faith. And even if he disagrees with that faith, he does not have any right to express his that disagreement in any sort of negative way. If he passed moral judgement on Malika because of her symbols, that reflects his ignorance. His reaction betrays his weak character. This is a man who does not deserve the time of any lady regardless of her spiritual beliefs. If Malkia tried to express them to him in an impersonal matter or condemned his beliefs, that would be a different story. Try and forget him Malika, he was a waste of time and seemingly poorly educated on views he uses to condemn others. If he were a true man, he would have sought to understand your beliefs instead of devaluing you becuase of them.

With all due respect, I disagree with Sara. I will not hide who I am during an encounter and I also won't hide my beliefs. Many of my clients appreciate that I'm a confident, opinionated, and outspoken woman.

We are all humans and no one person can agree with everything another does. That's what is so beautiful and wonderful about life. No, maybe he doesn't believe what you believe. And yes, maybe it is proper for this career/job, to not be personal and be a "fantasy". However, there is never ANY excuse to be hurtful, degrading, or disrespectful to anyone else just because their belief system is different than their own. That is called tolerance and understanding. Part of what living in this country means. That's like a client bashing someone because they found out she was Christian and not Jewish, by seeing the SP wear a cross around her neck. Would that somehow make it any more or less appropriate? I think NOT. He should have simply said he didn't want to stay, and leave. No abuse was needed. This isn't an issue of "being a fantasy", but an issue of treating Humans as such. Malika, I feel for you and I'm sending you positive vibes.

Malika, I am sorry you had to deal with such an ignorant individual. While it is true, we are providing a fantasy; I doubt any of us are Academy Award worthy actors and some of our real qualities and personality traits are what make us interesting enough to visit. Be who you want to be Malika, don't ever loose your individuality; especially not because of one person's shortcomings!

Wow, this has turned into quite the discussion! First off - Malika, I'm sorry you had to deal with such ignorance and hostility. 2nd, I have to complement everyone who has weighed in on the discussion. This thread has gone on for several pages with eloquent expressions of opinions and ideas, including disagreements, but everyone has kept it civil and honest, and have offered a lot of support to a friend and colleague who had a bad experience. This type of discussion is one of the things I love the most about our little community. Finally, my two cents: I don't think someone's religious beliefs really come into play between a service provider and a client - the experience, while it is a fantasy, is about intimacy, closeness, or even spirituality in a certain sense. But it's got nothing whatsoever to do with religious beliefs. As someone else once said: "Religion is like a penis: It's fine to have one, and it's fine to be proud of it. But please don't use it as an excuse to criticize anyone who doesn't have one, and don't whip it out in public and start waving it around, and please don't try to shove it down my children's throats!"

I am sorry but I beg to differ with Sara. Everytime that I have a lady guest I look at her (and treat her) as she really is. That is somebody's daughter and sister. She is A person with heart and mind who can feel (the happiness and sadness). She is not some object that I have rented for an hour to briing me joy. I do my best to make the joy mutual and if it is not then I can't have joy either. Whenever I see someone I prefer to know her the real person that she really is, rather than someone acting or hiding her true nature and that includes her beliefs too if she cares to share. As for OP I am sorry Malika that you had to go through this. Even though I am personaly not a religious person but I fully believe that people are free to believe and practice what they believe as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs upon others.

If ignorance is the issue, reserve judgment, ask questions and educate yourself. Ignorance is no excuse. Posted via Mobile Device

It's a sad day when a good god fearing person can't visit a working girl with out being moraly offended by her tarot cards. Hugs to you Malika,he sounds like a jerk. Please don't stop doing whats important to you or hide whats important to you, because of one bad apple.

Sara I think the issue is the unfounded hatred this man (not gentleman) showed. Never in my life was I hurt this way by words...the lashing and the disgusting look that I saw in his eyes was brutal. Yes, something my friends will call me a Witch and I will joke with them about burning witches and the Burning Times...but I know it's just by fun...but when someone look at you with a look like this, saying that you are trash and should died....The pain that flew inside me was brutal I understand that not everyone is fond of religion or beliefs and I respect the fact that this man doesn't believe in the same things that I do... Maybe she should have kept the tarrot cards and pentogram hidden (but that's a seperate discussion) and if me, it wouldn't matter. But to call a lady trash, and should die, sorry but there is no excuse for that behaviour. Not in the hobbying (hate that term) world, not in the mainstream world From what was posted, I can't defend this guy's actions at all...if it bothered him he should have politely declined the encounter and left RG

Religeous discussions aside my concern is this is a guy visiting an sp that snaps when seeing something he either does not understand or takes completely out of context,what else might make him go off ?

You took the words right out of my mouth. I tried to give you rep points, but I have to spread them around first. Haha. I totally disagree with you here Sara. The fact that Malika doesn't put it out there that she's Wiccan has nothing to do with it. If a client came into my space and saw something that he found offensive and felt the need to tell me that I was trash and should die? I can tell you right now, he'd get a swift kick in the ass right out the door. Religion has nothing to do with it here. He could have been offended by ANY thing and it would still be an unacceptable response on his part. I've had clients say some racist things upon seeing photos of me posing with Bedouin in the Jordanian desert, I've had clients notice gay porn on my bookshelf and make comments. And in both instances, I most definitely spoke my mind. You had best believe that if you come into my space with bullshit comments, I'm going to interrupt your fantasy to tell you. But I have never had a client notice anything and then tell me that I was trash and should die because of it. It doesn't matter what he was reacting to, it was absolutely despicable of him to say so. And telling her that she should post it on her website? Ridiculous. Should I post on my website that I think Bedouin are totally cool and that I like to wank off to gay porn? Just to make sure I don't offend some potential client? I THINK NOT.

I had a poem in another thread, but the thread got deleted (not bc of my poem), lol. I originally wrote it just to stop all the awkwardness, and so we can all be more awesome. Anyways, here is my poem, I had to write it again tho :(, because I couldn't remember some of it & did it off the top of my head, lol. CERB taught me threads like, "Bad Night, Turned Good" are silly CERB makes me smile like gettin' a random wet willy. CERB makes me smile & think happy thoughts like hip hip hooray. CERB taught me cool terms like DATY, MSOG, and BBBJ. CERB is like walking into to a party & making eye contact with that person you know, CERB makes it like that winter holiday with the jolly old fellow who says HO HO HO. CERB taught me 15 min services aren't good. CERB helped me get use out of my wood. CERB has taught me about SP's with perfume, and what to know. CERB taught me about negotiating a rate..... HELL to the NO!!! CERB educated me on how to avoid the ole bait & switch. CERB educated me on oral, doggy, and even a little mish. CERB taught me the deliciousness of obleas, alegrias, and Mexican cuisine. CERB is kinda awesome frickin possum, like a bowl of jelly beans. CERB illustrates why SP's aren't emotionless and do have a heart. CERB illustrates why clients aren't shady, and are quite smart. CERB taught me "chat etiquitte" and how to properly do things like "PM" CERB is like kinda really sweet, like a bunch of chocolate M & M's. CERB sometimes has silly threads like what came first, the chicken or the hen? But I sometimes with they would stop, just so everyone at CERB can just be friends. Happy Fathers Day Everyone!!!!!!!!! (p.s. i know it's the chicken & the egg, but i cant rhyme with egg. i know... *facepalm*). Imaginary Hugs all Around :)

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This guy had no right to say these things to you just because he saw your personal belongings on your desk. First of all, it is NOT his business to be looking at your personal things and then to comment on them. This is why I hide everything. It's no one's business what we do on our personal time, if we are in a relationship, what we read or what we believe in especially if it hasn't been brought up for discussion. Some clients are nosy and like to snoop. I don't give them the opportunity. That's not what they're there for. If someone said these things to me that I was trash and should die because of what I believe in, they would be booted out in a New York minute with his stuff thrown out in the hallway. I would not tolerate someone attacking me personally and this is what he did to you. It is one thing to disagree with a person's religious belief but he should have kept it to himself or left if this really made him uncomfortable. To put it bluntly ( and because I'm rather angry after hearing this post) he is there to get laid, not for religious purposes. I do not know zip about Wiccans and forgive me if this comes across in bad taste but what does he think you're going to do? Put a spell on him because he thinks you're a witch? People are ignorant and it is not only in this industry, it is everywhere. Live and let live. And my personal motto to this guy... F**k him and the horse he rode in on.

Sara, it's true that we sell time and fantasy, but should I really put all of my "real" self apart? People come to see us because they appreciated our personality, physics etc...but should I be lying about who I am? I wasn't wearing my pentagram and my deck was behind my computer on my desk....it wasn't plain in his face. And if I was trying to hide all my books and stuffs...I would loose a big part of my stuff:P Should I hide my books on Ireland because I am going there soon? Now I will probably try to make sure that nothing that can say who I am is around...but it kinda suck that someone did so badly react to the fact that I do wicca.

Vanessa this is for you ... :bigclap: It all resumes in a word that has been mentioned .. DISCRETION and as we read in Kyra's post is for both parts not only for the lady. This is actually a topic I discussed with the first few gentlemen I met since I was starting to learn about the industry and having seen ladies with face pictures made me think I was perhaps doing something wrong but still never even contemplated changing my mind. I then found there were a lot other ladies that do not have facial photos and understood there was no rule for that. My reasons? The first one on the list is because one day I plan to have a family and I would hate someone showing or telling my kid about those pictures. Also, my family does not know about me being an escort and good or bad I know it would hurt them, not something I would like to do. I also prefer to be on the safe side by not having any evidence that would cause trouble like what someone mentioned about being stopped at the boarder. And yeah Emma is right we just have Sara's recent and unfortunate experience as an example of the consequences of that and I'm not saying is wrong for her to have face pictures, she was not prepared for that indiscretion from the SP in question but handled it well because she knows it comes with the exposure part. In my opinion there's no right or wrong when it comes to this but there is a preference that fits in the lady's life style. And the pros and cons well they probably also vary from one lady to another based on what her priorities are.

While I agree with most of what's been said here, I would only like to add that here at home, we have been noticing a steady increase in our costs of living. Our hydro bills are outrageous, despite stringent efforts to cut back on electricity use and purchasing energy efficient devices. Our gasoline prices are inching back up there again. We normally set a budget of $1000/year for home heating, and this is the first year we ever went over. We only went over by $20-30, but when you consider that we paid an extra $80 in HST this year, it's not difficult to see what pushed us over. There may be no rhyme or reason to slow periods, but I think it's true that almost all of us these days are finding our costs of living higher. Too, jobs are scarcer. I know a number of people who lost their jobs two years ago, and today either haven't found employment or haven't found a job paying anywhere near what their old one paid. Many young people we know are finding full-time jobs hard to come by, and jobs with benefits even rarer. Those of us who were around in the late 90s/early 00s see an enormous difference. Back then, I had friends who were happy to take 6, 8, or 10 appointments a day who had no trouble getting them! And at pretty much the same rates we're seeing now. So what's changed over the past ten years or so? Large, national and multinational corporations are sitting on more cash than ever, and their top executives are raking in salaries and bonuses that, until only recently, would have seemed unimaginable. Meanwhile, for those of us not blessed to be in that rarefied set are finding the basic necessities of life more expensive, incomes more insecure and depressed, a sharp increase in our tax burden, and less money in our pockets to live... well, shall we say, in the manner to which we've become accustomed. Who's at fault? Some will insist to us that it's government workers (our clients, ladies) or union workers (again, our clients), pensioners (ditto), or beneficiaries of "entitlement" programs. But I say, follow the money. Most of us haven't been doing well by the way our provinces and country have been managed in recent years, but others are doing fabulously. Maybe if our governments gave us the same breaks they give them, we'd all be doing better too! Or maybe if our governments simply expected them to pay their fair shares, thereby distributing the load a bit more evenly, we wouldn't be in a state of endless economic crisis. How much more of this are we gonna take? Get involved. http://canadauncut.net/