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Lots of guys and maybe some girls may hate this post, but here goes.... I used to browse CERB a lot, not because of all the wonderful women, but the boards had some intelligent, insightful conversations about meaningful things. It gave me insight about perspectives that I wouldn't have thought of, educated me about issues that I didn't know too much about, and sometimes even just was a thread for a nice laugh. Lately though, to be honest, people may hate this, but I think a lot of the threads here are $%#$. I'm talking about threads such as the Best Bums on the Planet, DATY vs DIGITS, How to get extras in a strip club, Red Head Appreciation Group, etc. I think they involve very little thought, and are treating the women here like they are on a lesser level. It's like they are judges on American Idol, and the women are contestants. I think the people think just because they have the freedom to write or post whatever they want, they have the power to nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls. They might not think they are doing it with these threads, but let's be real, they are. How would the guys like if they were put on a stage? Spotlight shining right on them. I'm sure anybody put on that stage with the spotlight right on them, with a judge, judging them would find numerous negatives. I just don't think it's right. I think they are shallow. To be honest, I am sad that all these threads exist. Sure I don't have to look at them and I don't. But it saddens me that a majority of the threads when I open up the general discussion are exactly like that. I don't even look at the reco's to be honest. To be brutally honest, I think they're $hit. These girls aren't like take-out or delivery. You just can't pick out all the items on a plate and expect to get it from a girl. Every experience should be unique, and to be honest, when choosing a girl, it isn't because somebody writes they give expletive expletive expletive sloppy hot wet bare back blowjob, I'll choose her because I find a connection thru PM's, e-mails, whatever. These girls aren't just menu items, or can be replicated. They are unique, and each session is unique. Just because situation A happens with billy bob, doesn't mean situation A will happen with Willy Wonka. Each session is unique, and I'm glad it's that way. These women aren't robotic, they are real human beings. I wish guys started treating them that way. Sure, you have the freedom to write whatever you want. But whatever happened to simple common courtesy and respect?

I don't quite get it. So this is about vulgarity in the usage of words on cerb? Granted, some of the terminology isn't great, but who cares? We're adults here and if you dislike a thread title, do not click on it, do not read the posts within and certainly do not partake in the discussion. This place is about freedom. Freedom of expression (mostly) and sexual freedom. We're all here because we want to be. No one is forcing us. But keep in mind what type of board this is. It is a board to freely discuss anything and everything to do with sex, which is why we're all here! I prefer to keep things classy, and I don't use raunchy terminology or expressions, because it doesn't accurately reflect my personality. I'm confident that comes through by my not answering to certain threads. That's all I do. I don't waste precious energy getting all riled up about what someone across the country decided to start a thread on. It's fine that you find some threads offensive, but I think you need to grow a thicker skin and remember where you are. Sex can be respectful, but it can also be dirty, sweaty, raunchy and nasty. Which is ok too!

To begin, it is clear to me that, as clients, we have no idea what it is like to be a woman, and much less so a paid companion. However, one of the best things about this board is an opportunity for a man to get a glimpse into that world. CERB is a world where women are being open about both the positive and negative aspects of the business, both sexes are open about their sexuality and preferences and the community as a whole is in a constant state of learning. I know that I learn something new every time I log on. Now obviously, as clients, we don't see a lot of the behind the scenes bullshit that you women have to put up with. We only get small glances how you are being treated in private messages, emails and behind closed doors by other men, be they lurkers, non-members of CERB or active participants. It is my feeling that the majority of the threads listed as being offensive or objectifying are started by men who are genuinely curious about a particular topic and trying to learn more information to improve their own behaviour and performance when with women. And at the end of the day, if the men on this board are learning why certain women don't like certain activities, and how they should act when with a woman, are they not learning to be respectful? By learning to communicate their own sexual desires and preferences, isn't it more likely that a man can have open and honest sexual communication with a woman, ensuring a better session for both parties? It seems to me that this is a clear example of men attempting to be respectful of the women's wishes and learning to be better lovers and better men as a result. I hope that CERB remains a place where we all continue to learn more about each other's sexuality as this is no doubt a good thing in the long run for everyone involved. Lastly, it is important to remember that language is extremely powerful. The way we choose our words reflects a lot about our personalities. However, different words have different connotations to each individual and there may be specific words that trigger negative connotations for one person and positive connotations for another. I think that it is extremely hard to be open about your sexuality without using words that are going to offend some people. As such, I think we must be tolerant and empathetic towards the language used by both men and women in this forum, while making an effort not to be purposefully offensive.

I'm a member of the -ERB boards that start with P and T, in addition to this one. I may have posted 6-10 times on the others, maybe less. For awhile, I advertised on one of them and I may again, but not because I enjoy the conversation or reading the vile things that are written there. I'm a businesswoman and it's my experience that some very fine gentlemen do take the time to weed through the nonsense to find the woman who's right for them and then they often spend a considerable amount of money on her. I'm willing to be discovered by such men. See, that's where I start. I didn't decide to be a paid companion because I have a tender heart. I got into this business because I needed the income. I know who I am and what I have to offer; I know that there are very, very few others like me in this business; I have a reasonable grasp of economic theory. So, I took a risk and things have worked out very well. The sex trade is built upon the objectification of women. There's no question about that. However, I'm old enough and I've been around long enough that I can say that the "best <insert body part>" threads seem a bit trite to me, but I'm not offended by them. Men like to look at all kinds of women, all the time. It's how their minds are wired. I appreciate gorgeous young women who seem to spend all their waking hours at the gym, too. Moreover, I think I understand something about the fantasy that drives those "best of" threads and I know that it's got nothing to do with me, or the women in the photos. Not at all. Most men don't come within a country mile of looking like Adonis, or David, or George Clooney. Personally, I find something bittersweet about middle-aged men mooning over young models and stunningly beautiful-looking escorts, wanting them, wanting to feel the way they hope they would feel if they were with those girls, or the way they think they might have felt and looked, themselves, when they were her age. I have an inkling that one of the down-sides of spending time with those photos is that a man has to feel a kind of dull sadness at some level, at least once in a while. Because, even if he can get that woman to see him, even if he can touch her and have sex with her, he can't have her. Not because there's anything wrong with her, or even that there's anything wrong with him, but because even he really wants something much more complex, engaging and enthralling than simple beauty, perfect breasts or a firm, round backside. What he really, really wants isn't what she's selling and he can't buy it, anywhere. That unattainable factor can be frustrating for some men, it's true. A very few become angry, embittered, misogynistic because they feel they're entitled to have what they've seen, especially if they can pay for it. But the grand majority of men aren't like this at all. They do distinguish between fantasy and reality. They know that a paid companion is a real woman with thoughts, needs, concerns and an imagination and a spirit of her own. Men want to have some fun, relax a bit, forget about the rest of the world for an hour or two. Most don't want to hurt anyone, including the companion. Most do their best to treat us well. This is my experience, at least. As for the threads that ask whether companions prefer this activity or that one, or whether they do this thing or another one, they don't bother me at all. I don't reply to them too often, but I do sometimes, because I've learned that as much as men like to portray themselves as knowledgeable and highly experienced, the simple fact is that most are not, no matter how many women they've been with. Most are much more shy than they'll admit. They hope that doing this, touching here, nuzzling there, trying to be gentle when it's the time for that, and trying to be more controlling when it's time for that too, everything will be okay. The fact is that they don't know whether this or that touch feels the way they want it to, or how to go about discussing the one special thing they hope they might be able to do. And I know that when someone starts a thread about "digits," even though most of the men will say, in sober, serious tones, that they always wash their hands thoroughly, they always make sure their nails are neatly trimmed and filed, they always make sure to move smoothly and slowly with lots of lube.... they're not really telling the truth. All that matters is that they've gotten the message: there are some things they need to keep in mind that maybe they hadn't thought about. I think this is one of the great things about CERB. Our society isn't half as liberated as it likes to imagine. Men and women don't talk about sex very often or very well. Asking questions takes a lot of nerve. No one wants to seem ignorant or inept, but none of us learned a damn thing about love-making in high school sex ed classes. How bodies feel, what feels good, what can feel good under certain circumstances, what might be wonderful in other circumstances--where did we learn that? Heck, from my high school sex ed classes, all I learned was that menstruation was a manageable hassle, pregnancy was a huge issue and that there were some nasty "venereal diseases" out there. No one ever mentioned orgasms, let alone masturbation (solo or mutual), hand-jobs or blow jobs. I learned about those things, clumsily, in various parked cars with others who didn't know any more than I did. But men can come here and ask questions about what women like and how to do it, or why some are reluctant to do some things but will do others. Where else can they go to get this kind of information? Not at home! If a couple doesn't have frank, open, gentle and loving conversations about their bodies, how they work and what each person likes and doesn't like--if they don't have those conversations in the early months of their relationship, they will never have them at all, no matter how many decades they're together. So, as far as I'm concerned, go ahead, ask. Use whatever words you're comfortable with. I know what you mean, even if I don't like the word. That word isn't about me, anyway. Ask about anal sex. Ask about what we like in DATY. Ask about how we like to have our breasts touched, how to kiss us, how to do anything and everything you're interested in doing. Notice that six of us will give at least eight different responses. Notice too, that, as far as I can remember, none of us will say that you're a fool for asking, or that you have no right to know. If you ask me, I will feel honoured by your vulnerability and trust. I don't think many women enjoy the idea that men just want to get together in some locker room and compare notes about who had whom and how good she was or wasn't, whether she looked as good naked as she did dressed, how far she let them get with her and what they think someone else could try with her next time. We don't like that. But I don't see a lot of that, here. It happens, to some degree, in the recommendations and in the threads about how to push the boundaries in the strip club or whether the massage artists will go farther than advertised. I think that the writers of those threads speak for themselves. Everyone is advertising here, all the time. I'm as likely to be over-sensitive as anyone else is, at times. Some days, I don't like reading the boards. Other days, I find things here that make me want to cry because they're so real, so open, so vulnerable and true. Some days I'm patient. Other days, I'm a cranky bitch. Turning off the computer on bad days and taking the dog to run along the beach can be the best thing.

I, for one, don't think that this is all that fair. I don't think that asking questions relating to a woman's body means that the questioner is equating the woman to a "sperm socket". Let's not forget that this board is an escort review board - not strictly a social board. While not all clients have preferences, many do. And that's ok. There's a way to ask questions in a respectful manner - for certain. And for many of us, myself included, time with a provider is an honor, not a privilege. Still, it's entirely fair for a client to want to know certain things before entering into a commercial relationship. And asking should be ok. This is, in the end, a board about matching clients with providers. For many of us, it's more, but in essence, that is it's main function. Some guys use the term "kitty", others care if the "kitty" is shaved. Who are we to judge. As long as there is respect shown, even in the eye of the beholder, I don't think we should chastise. We're all different. In the end, we're all here to have fun. Sexual and sensual fun. I would hate to see this place so sanitized that we can't be open with our desires, our questions, our preferences, and our fantasies. Sorry if this is out of line - but this thread hit a nerve. I have always loved CERB partly because I can be me here... Even if "me" isn't perfect.

Hello everyone, I may ruffle a few feathers but after reading many threads over the past several months in the General Discussion area, I have a few things I need to address and have faith that most of the hobbiests here are Gentleman I would consider spending my time with. First off, I have learned many new acronyms or Urban Dictionary terminology from the threads on this board. Do I agree that a vagina is a pussy or kitty? I do not, but the word surfaces daily on this board in discussion. I may just not be cut out to read these threads as I am a woman with substance and will not let you know how big my other lips are, if it's shaved or unshaved, or respond publically to any of these threads. Is it just the ignorance of grasping for the proper ways to ask a question? I"m sure I will quickly figure out the answers and have so far continued the faith that the Gent's who start these threads are respectful. However, I'm having a hard time just seeing these threads up even though I don't read them. So when I wake up with my morning coffee, log into to read the General Discussion area and see thread titles of "Daty vs Digits." "Greek or no Greek", etc. It really makes me question things here and a few have almost made me spit of my coffee on a few occasions. Every sensual, sexual erotic encounter is a gift for both the provider and client and I will use "YMMV" for this one. Please don't disrespect us, get to know us a little and ask us personally. Please always remember as well that we are women. If ever I had anyone in my personal life speak to me in this way they wouldn't be with me. Yet, here we are spoken to this way, asked very personal questions, menu item questions randomly thrown out there, etc. I may be old school but do believe old fashioned chivalry goes a long way, even here as we explore our sexual needs. I will always value and cherish my clients that treat me as Erin, not as a menu item or topic of the ??? day.. Hoping this falls upon understanding ears and do enjoy being a part of this board. I just had to get it off my chest as this has bothered me for some time. Cheers! Erin

Guess we can close this thread and many others that have those awful words to describe a woman's body parts, come on seriously? Berlin, should I go back and post all your relative comments that you used describing your own ..vagina, or should I say clit, or can I say pussy..fuck what can we say without having our heads ripped off! While we are at it perhaps should we close all the recommendations too they have some awful words!....oh noooo.... he used the word pussy??fuck I think I see enough pussy in one thread and those are the four legged types!!and now those fucking cats are in just about every thread..DO you see me bitchin about that thread or others? No!! I just don't read it! So Danielle perhaps you should read any more recs, after all now you just insulted a good portion of the men that gave back to this site, and of course recommended a lady to other men...But no you think it is ALL shit! Nice Danielle!! real nice. And yes I know the ladies are not take out order..what a comment that was! Berlin...if I may "But CERB is one of the only places where us ladies are welcomed with open arms and encouraged to interact with clients. I'd like to think that I can use this venue and my interactions with clients to at least educate/enlighten/open your eyes to these things. I'm not expecting any of you to change, because I tend to suspect many of you will write me off as the cranky feminist in the house, but I like to hope that others will read this and realize that perhaps their behaviour or words are offensive." So I guess now you are asking us men to be reasonable mannered men, and stop using terms that are offensive, and use better behaviour. But yet it is okay for you describing very own 'vagina' well you called it 'clit' http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=235267#post235267 Turn-ons you used the 'fuck' and 'cock' http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=238399#post238399 So you see we are not the only ones that use words that may describe an action, or a body part that MAY offend some other ladies that are too delicate to this world. Lastly Berlin when you say... 'I think what Erin is trying to get at is that very often these boards and the men who post on them tend to convey this sense of entitlement--that because you have money and are anonymous, you can nitpick body parts, ask for discounts, and generally be ignorant dicks. Let me be clear, I am not saying that you are all like this, but that many of you ARE. EVEN ON CERB." Actually yes it is my entitlement to perhaps post in a thread, just like it is yours and everyone else here on the board. If you and I use the same term describing a 'vagina' so be it, am I to worry now that I have offended another lady because you and I said either pussy or clit? REALLY??? I do not like being called out that where you lump 'many of you are' looking for discounts, nit picking body parts,asking for discounts (That itself is a very low blow to many of us here that participate regularly and I'm insulted by your comment and generalizing MANY men) You are right we do not know "what it feels like" or for that fact to be in your shoes, but seriously these type of words are going change or help things? WIT said it right above " I strongly believe that there should be room for the clients here to enjoy themselves, too - and to vent a tiny bit of testosterone here and there. Testosterone is not entirely evil, despite its being, by its nature, occasionally "over-enthusiastic". Without over-enthusiastic testosterone, there'd be no demand for escorts in the first place." I just hope we can enjoy ourselves here,or perhaps it is time to move on.

Yes perhaps you should just let it go, after all it is a adult play ground, and this is just part of the daily routine here as far as I'm concerned. If we were all to hear no 'sex'... speak no 'sex'... and see no 'sex'....with the abbreviations commonly used here, or the f word or the variations used to describe ladies parts, in general discussion or other any other threads...well it just would not be what the gentlemen are looking to learn about, and I don't think in reality it would be good for both parties. My point of view...lady advertises..guy pays and books time..comes back here and writes a rec..YMMV. Why do some kiss and tell? Well there is a long list in reality I'm sure, some gents like to pass on their information through threads or rec's, or like simply glow with fact what they have accomplished with a MA or a SP with some class or sometimes with details in a rec, very seldom is there any mention of DATY or Digits with a MA in recs (unless I missed those ;). By the way quite a few women do the same, it is not unheard of in thread where a women has bragged or said she likes to " give a great juicy blow job", or "big or small I can fucking stroke them all" If we are turn your way of thinking(if that what you are thinking Erin) with not using the mentioned abbreviations, or the not using recommendations, a man and a woman having multiple orgasmic times, or if a man prefers shaven or not shaven, or DATY and Digits... then I ask what is the entire sense of the board if we don't have something to talk about? Must we talk about cooking,weaving,cats,dogs,elephants...I don't know..everything under the rainbow but sex? And sex terms are addressed and used in different manners on each and every Escort board. OH and I believe in old fashioned chivalry(I like that when I'm one on one with a lady ;) ) and yes it goes a long way! On this board we all explore our sexual needs, and desires, but there is something about being honest and upfront about sexuality and how to chat about it regardless of type of words being used in a thread. Is it to simply come on the board read ad's book a lady and speak no 'sex' here on the board? I think in all honesty if you go back and read threads from 2007, you will see the language was quite more offensive then it is today. This board has taken a 360 turn in the past while, with rules in place, advertising requirements,banning of meat heads that do not belong. I also can say I would feel that 90% of the gents do and give ladies the highest respect then it might of been back in 2007, who knows but change has happened. Things are good here, if we are to add more rules or guys are asked refrain from using this expression or that expression in sexual terms, it just makes people wonder what am I doing here? Does this make sense to anyone??? Perhaps I'm babbling but it is the end of a day, and I see these threads pop up, and I just needed to say my piece. No harm, no foul, just saying it from the chest (pounds of heart side). Happy hobbying everyone, and yes Erin ladies do give us their treasure gifts, and the gents here do give respect back, as far as I'm concerned.

It's really unfortunate that this exchange is likely going to change people's opinion of one another, on both sides. It already has for me. Ladies, on behalf of the men, I'd just like to apologize for the display in this thread. I thought we were all more rational and adult than this.

Maturity Emotional Intelligence Impulse Control Rational Thought Logical Deduction SEX!!! (it was 7 seconds since I start this post) Clique Stereotyping Education Dialogue Fluffy Pink Unicorn MORE SEX!!! (7 more seconds) Please Thank You You're Welcome Sorry Apologizes Accepted (insert word from 7 sex ago here) Bygones...

...People objectifying themselves for the sake of selling themselves for sex - or other people objectifying others for the sake of buying sex? Let be honest here - This industry only exists because of sexual objectification to sell 'services', as much as some say its just for a companions 'time' - yes, 'sex servicing time'. While I know the biggest sex organ is the brain, and I can appreciate a good (subjective to my view of what 'good' is) brain, conversely, other brains which I do not find attractive leave me with no desire to have sex with just the body. Is that respect? I guess that's what blow-up dolls are for sometimes. In general, if I want to just chat, I go to a chatroom and/or go on a 'date' - Sometimes if I want (hopefully) 'no strings attached' recreational sex - I look for an escort (someone's got to support the industry eh, and the desire of some people to only want to make money and a living just from selling sex - the same way as I have never owned a car but prefer to pay taxi drivers to drive me to work every day as an objectification of their driving ability and time. Thankfully enough, in either case, people are humans and all are unique and allow me to interact with them, and them me, to see their is more to everyone on the inside regardless of the profession one chooses, or how one looks, or doesn't look). While I do not (or better yet, can not) sell sex for a living myself (hard to do when I can't even give it away for free - but I digress), I do whore out my brain as a knowledge nomad for money - which is no different of an objectification of myself and the services my brain provides (see resume for full objectification) to a 'client'/employer than anything else I've seen on this planet. Believe you me, I'd much rather not be a whore to anyone and simply live a life of leisure - but hey, someone's got to pay for the A/C and cable TV while living under the constructs of society and, unfortunately, capitalism. If CERB was only about 'love' - this would be a dating site - NOT an escort site. Escorting is NOT dating - and 'GFE' is a euphemism. Not to say love doesn't exist here, as it does (all around, even through-out this whole thread), but from what I see/experience, it's more like: I love sex with an escort, rather than, I am in love with an escort (which yes, does happen - and from both sides of the fence). Rather rich to listen to some people be offended from themselves objectifying themselves, but are angry about it and others for doing the same. Maybe it's too early for me to get my head around it. Maybe some people, including myself, need more time to look introspectively and learn to love myself no matter what anyone else in the world thinks, objectively or subjectively. As well, rather telling of the industry to see some of the pent-up insecurities some people have and their need to project them on others to justify their existence and profession and/or 'hobby'. (sidebar: another good point was made earlier about even the use of this word to describe paying for sex which others advertise for sale) In the end, I'd rather be open and honest about who I am and how I feel then be pretentious and insecure about the truth - funny how 'shooting the messenger' is a favorite pasttime of so many people thou - which I blame TV and selfish individualism for, but I'll save that diatribe for another post. I could care less to try and satisfy some clique, or sell out my values for greed. *Hugs myself* and says: I am a good person and today is a good day. Carpe Peaciem!! (that is, Peacefully Seize the Day!) PS: Just remember in all this - we don't wake-up to bombs dropping around our heads, so are a few words going to 'break my bones'? I think not. *stops to smell a rose* PPS: IMO, this is one of the best threads I've ever seen here. Thanks to EVERYONE for being the diverse and unique persons they are. :) Uniform thought (with a bunch of followers to one way of living life) has little value to me, and anyone who stops learning only finds themselves living in a World which no longer exists. --> Now click on the link in my signature and listen to the beautiful song - serenity (almost) guaranteed!! ;)

I never before realized until this thread how many women don't seem to enjoy deep digits. I often perform digits with a lady with or without daty (assuming I've seen it as part of her services offered on her website or in an ad), and often building up momentum until it gets to be some pretty intense fingering, not quite the "jackhammer", but I suspect pretty close, and often with more than one digit (usually not more than 2)...and so far haven't had any complaints and the ladies always seemed to be enjoying themselves. If I get a sense she's not then I'll stop. I really hope the reason I've had no complaints is because they were genuinely enjoying themselves and weren't just "putting up with it" or pretending in order to spare my feelings. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....please ladies, and this goes for any ladies reading this who I've seen or any ladies who I may see in the future...please, PLEASE....tell me if I'm doing something you don't enjoy, or tell me if you prefer I do it differently (faster/slower or not so deep/ or deeper)! The last thing I want is to cause someone discomfort....my pride be damned, the best encounter for me is the one where we BOTH get off.

I know this is an adult board but there are better ways to say things...personally i rather the gentlemen just ask me in a pm or email.. Even then I want respect...as I'm sure every man does. In private we can have the dirty talk..:wink:

You have every right to your opinion, but I don't think that some of the guys who have spoken up have anything to apologize for. There's a lot of very good stuff here, but some of the guys posting here (and I would include myself in this group) are responding the way they are as they are likely getting a little fed up with the recent negative comments about how "many" of us (or is it "most" of us ... Smile) are objectifying women or are otherwise being jerks. That's a lot of baloney IMO and we have the track records here to prove it.

It may be worth noting that Tania wrote a book, and no doubt would like sell more copies. Also she ran illegal brothels, illegal agencies, out of apartment/condos, and probably found herself afoul of the law. She also gained a reputation on review boards for getting banned (self promotions/shilling/fake reviews/multiple handles), then creating new handles over and over to do it again. She spent a great deal of money on photos, advertising, location, etc, then in recruiting workers. I have a hard time seeing her as someone totally focused on paying legal fees in custody cases, if she was spending that much on self promotion, that could have been spent elsewhere. She also used face pics, not exactly the M.O. of someone who is desperately seeking custody, imo, as that sort of sp would be far less likely to expose herself that way. She also was revealed to posting w4w ads on casual encounters CL to seek out women that she would then talk into the business. She also managed to hire a 16 or 17 year old girl in her micros. I mean, as a predator and manipulator, she's quite infamous. At the end of the day, I think her role as former sex worker/abolitionist is another master plan of manipulation to take advantage of yet another group of people.

Saw Chelsea yesterday and had a fabulous time, Very pretty ,nice tight body and really seemed to enjoy herself. I will repeat

With her permission... The Lovely Dorinda

EDITED: I don't think its the same girl anyways.

Where is the 'luv' you promote all the time in this post Pete? I find it too agresive, we all have different point of views and we all here sometimes use words or say things we don't entirely feel comfortable with but our level of comfort with a term may also be different depending in which context is being used. The reasons or if Berlin used those words are unknown to me but even if she did is never the same to use a word toward yourself in whichever context you choose to than having someone else referring to you or a part of your body as that. To make my point more clear, one calls himself an idiot because he screwed something ... Does that mean is right for others to call him that? I mean, by calling himself an idiot is he giving everyone else the right to call him an idiot and won't he feel insulted or offended by it? This suggestion is a bit extreme and I believe has not a connection with what Erin mentioned in her first post here. A reco is referring to a particular SP if she is fine with whatever word being used describing her why should it be deleted? I believe Erin meant when the words she mentioned are used in general. his name is Daniel and I don't quite get why you find his post insulting and why you are so upset over it. If his post was that wrong it would not have received so many approvals from others, including at least one gentleman. And he was not offended anyone he was just explaining his impression on these issues from a gentleman's point of view. And I applaud him for taking the time to do so and show real concern. Newton, I don't see the connection of your post with this thread. PistolPete is a very active member here (ambassador is not the right word IMO as in fact is a title that needs to be given and as far as I know cerb has not named anyone the site's ambassador) but being active does not make anyone here better than others and does not mean that person will always be right. Additional Comments: As for Berlin's ads, she is using whatever words in them referring to herself. As I said before the OP here means when those words are used in general for a woman or a woman's body part. Even if they are used towards Berlin or any other SP who uses them also as I mentioned above calling yourself a certain way does not mean you are ok with others calling you that.

Firstly, I was not or it was meant to ' call out' just Berlin but to simply give the perspective from the use of words that describe women's parts that are used widely by both both male and female on this board. It is not just the clients using those type of words. It was to show a point, that it is used sometimes daily,if Berlin feels badly about my post then I apologize to her, I could of used other posts or in fact ad's from ladies that use the same type of words. I just don't get it, we see it (described woman's parts) as clients in ad's,shout out box,chat room,threads and now it has become an issue? Guess I missing the bus on this one. Yes, perhaps my choice of words are not as eloquent as others, but I'm the same as the next guy, that may not choose the correct words, but trying to convey his point in his words, perhaps yes we all need thick skin while reading. Sorry to have stirred the pot on this touchy subject.

I'm inclined to agree with you - but I really don't think this is something where we're ever going to find a common standard that suits everyone. First up, I think quite a few guys go to SPs to experience particular things, whatever they may be - and quite often these things are not abstract nouns, but things that can be quite precisely described with an appropriate... menu item, for want of a better term. If that's your objective, it would seem wise to ensure that you're going to get what you want simply to avoid disappointment; avoiding disappointment benefits everyone in the long run. Secondly, I think pretty much all the ladies hereabouts make it pretty clear in their ads/websites what they do and don't do, and where the boundaries are. This strikes me as entirely necessary, but does that not already remove some of the mystery? Whether I'm visiting a MA or a SP offering other activities, I may not be able (or wish) to predict exactly what's going to happen, but it's usually pretty easy to predict some things that won't. Finally, I just don't agree that knowing that something's going to happen ahead of time makes it any less sexy when it does. Sometimes, anticipation is half the fun :)

Tania Fiolleau who herself was a prostitute and a madame running a brothel of 500 prostitutes suddenly is now a new born whatever and found the soul in her parts (and her books on sale helps too of course). Very interesting and with the long list of cheatings noted above This is part of a coordinated campaign by the Cons and their supporters to make prostitution outlawed and change the public opinion (currently in favor of legalizing all aspects of prostitution for safety reasons) in their favor. If the sex workers in the profession and those in industry do not counter this campaign (by coming out and disclosing all these lies, and saying that they are not drug addicts and are in this profession by choice not force and ......NOW) they will likely succeed, unfortunately.

...as we all have our moments - now don't we? My nickname here is BownChickaBown. Apologizes accepted ES :icon_razz: Wabi Sabi Everyone :D **By extension of the "I like" positivity thread... I like to live and dream in COLOUR!! ;) PS: Thx scrb, but what's this 'we' thing - I am not French :icon_razz: Plz don't try and speak for me, as there is no need - perception to 'rational' and 'adult' is relatively subjective, and I personally have nothing to apologize for.

I am thinking as I read today that what I see is the result of day after day of 30 some frigging degrees in Ontario. So, here where I am on the east coast it is 18 degrees right now, windy as hell and the sun is thinking of coming out. I am having some friends over for dinner shortly. Lobster, mussels, oysters, scallops and shrimp. I would love to have you all over for dinner and good conversation. If you can make it by 6 you are welcome. Cool air, cool heads. RSVP

I am not sure to laugh or cry over this. So me and Pete share brains or something and what each of us do the other is aware and responsible or you are saying that we are same person but open two accounts on cerb lol. VERY STRANGE!!!!!. On your second point, my post is still up there unedited. I attack the false statements he made about cerb and that he called recommendations s**t. I NEVER call him any names or attacked him personally. You dicredited yourself even more by your latest post lol!!!.

Cato- I like you, I like you a lot

Bridgette Dances, new pics!!! (Thank you, Bridgette) And a slightly older pic. Delectable, eh?

Sorry Erin, I am not very imaginative with these sorts of things.

Hi Erin, first I wasn't able to add any more rep points for you but believe I understand what you're expressing and you have my support. I have purposely not responded to this thread till now as found it was going off in a different direction. I have read your original post about 8 times making sure I understood what was being shared. I think some of the differing views are valid IMHO but again need to be taken in context of this site and our community. I do understand that this is an adult site and the activities it is supporting so find it hard that it wouldn't have any related vocabulary. I too have learned language and acronyms I never knew 2 years ago. I am OK with it challenging some of my own beliefs and getting me a little outside my comfort zone because that is how I expand. For example, I have not participated in anal sex but do enjoy the threads that appropriately address this subject. I've learned alot from them. Yes I could google it but I trust (with my own filter) what I do read on CERB so for that appreciate it a great deal. I find CERB to be a very 'respectful' site. I have accounts on 2 other **RB sites and rarely go there. I've made one post (recommendation) (after the ladies approval) and got beat up by some members for not being explicit enough. However, the other important element is to remember that words like respect are always viewed from the receiving side. I can think or try and be respectful but it doesn't frankly matter my opinion, it is how it is received. This is human behaviour and how we evolve, learn understanding, compassion, and tolerance. I will continue to participate on this board and try from my current understanding to always be respectful. But thankfully I too am always learning so if I've ever offended anyone with my behaviour and language I apologize. But I wouldn't want to see things change here either. Cub

Nike......just do it! Where the "it" refers to any one Tiger could find....... Hahahahaha Sorry.....could not resist Posted via Mobile Device

I truly appreciate those who bring topics to the forefront that continue to educate and that continue to give me pause and think and ponder. This is a great debate/discussion and not an argument. It is a topic that has no clearly defined "right or wrong", and as one reads through the various contributions one sees diametrically opposing viewpoints, all of them having their validities, and yes, their flaws. Phaedrus with his usual wisdom said, " I really don't think this is something where we're ever going to find a common standard that suits everyone." As one who walked into Cerb with no prior experience, and certainly believing the prevailing stereotypes, I have had my views conformed, adjusted and in many ways they have been reversed. Initially Cerb was about one thing and one thing only - sex. Ultimately I suppose it is still about sex, but what has made this so amazing has been the interactions with the women, and many of these interactions are far beyond merely physical. The terminology that is used here is in many cases not the terminology that I would choose, however much of that terminology I have 'learned' and adopted from the women who are on the board. In many cases one need only follow one link to get to a complete list of 'menu items'. Each of us are different, men and women alike. A commonality is however that desire by all of us to be appreciated as people, to be treated politely, and to be recognized that we are a whole package and not just as having a set of 6pack abs or a cute butt. Elizabeth said it well here with," First and foremost, we are human beings....." Menu items and terminology and communication of interests and desires must play a role though at times. A very personal example would be in the fact that I do have an interest in having anal sex, an experience/fantasy yet to be fulfilled. If and when I want that then I suppose that I will be looking at the very least at 'menu items', or through pms asking specifically of individual women. The terminology that I use would probably refer to anal sex as opposed to 'greek." I learned from experience that women are not mind readers and I also have read posts from one woman after another expressing her desire forcommunication of interests, likes and/or dislikes. On the other side of it, a scripted, step by step scenario of who will do what, and when, and how, is not an appealing thing to me. To quote Erin, " I like the mystery and if too much is put out there before, for me, it's a turn off. I know some hobbiests do it to ensure their experience will be exactly as they want, but how does it make it sexy if you know ahead of time"? Berlin in her usual blunt and straight to the point manner also makes me wonder, but off in another direction. "Sorry dudes, but unless you're a woman, you're never going to understand what it is like to deal with all this crap on a daily basis." And " I'm honestly sick of hearing various ladies' concerns brushed off by men who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about or what it feels like to be us." Perhaps I have no clue so yeah, that is a very real possibility. The women here know of their experiences. I only know of my own, and how I interact with a woman. I do know that I have strong sense from the writing that most men here do try to be considerate of the women that they meet with. I see that in their writing but also from the comments that many women include in their own posts. All women? All men? I doubt it. It is not a perfect world. WIT in his post used used the term "client bashing." Gotta be honest here and state that I have felt that at times, strongly. Perhaps it is me misinterpreting words or perhaps it was a poor choice of wording by the writer, but sometimes the sense is there. I have said in more than one thread how my stereotypes have changed as I see and experience more realities with real women. One powerful stereotype that is 'out there', is that deep down sex workers are men haters. Do I believe that? No??????? But some of the comments I read here DO make me realize that I have not dropped that stereotype completely, and, if it is ever found to be a reality by me, will be my reason for leaving. I will not interact with a woman who brushes me off, or who disrespects me as a person. Berlins words work both ways. Perhaps there are times when the women do not understand in the least what it is like to be us. We also want what Erin wants as she expressed so well in her original and follow up posts. Finally, Samantha's words. "The sex trade is built upon the objectification of women. I have an inkling that ....... a man has to feel a kind of dull sadness at some level, at least once in a while. Because, even if he can get that woman to see him, even if he can touch her and have sex with her, he can't have her. Not because there's anything wrong with her, or even that there's anything wrong with him, but because even he really wants something much more complex, engaging and enthralling than simple beauty, perfect breasts or a firm, round backside. What he really, really wants isn't what she's selling and he can't buy it, anywhere. Most are much more shy than they'll admit. They hope that doing this, touching here, nuzzling there, trying to be gentle when it's the time for that, and trying to be more controlling when it's time for that too, everything will be okay. Asking questions takes a lot of nerve. No one wants to seem ignorant or inept......." She could be talking specifically about me, and I am giving an educated opinion that there are many more men very similar to myself. Mrgreen expressed his views on the overuse of the word respect. respect of course does have different meanings to each of us in our own way. Mine is probably pretty old-fashioned. In my reading I see some REALLY well respected Cerb members of both sexes disagreeing, and that is fine and that is fair. I also am reading into those posts that they are written with a desire to express and share altenate opinions on views and most interestingly enough, I am pretty confident that if they were all in the same room, there would be a pretty good concensus on respect. We will learn from each other through these forums. We will not always agree. Thanks to everone for contributing and trying to help me understand a truly complex topic.

I'm a little ambivalent here. To begin with, I'm a lurker. Not because I have little to say or little activity in my mind, moreso because I am of the habit to sit back and drink things in and roll them around in my mind. So, I don't write recommendations. This isn't because I disliked the experience, but rather because it's between me and the woman I was with. It's not a test drive of a Volvo. However, I respect that this is a review board, so when in Rome, dudes do like the Inca. I'm uncomfortable with a number of terms. "Hobby," for instance, would probably offend me more as an SP than most other words being debated here. We're sharing an intimate moment with a woman, not collecting stamps or Hummels. I refuse to refer to myself as a hobbyist for this reason. I'm not a fan of publicly describing a woman's anatomy in graphic detail, but accept that this is a review board, so dudes will do as the Inca. It's why this is here. I can think of worse things to call a vagina than a kitty. In fact, I'd say "pussy" is even worse. Apparently in earlier times, a person could insult a woman by calling them a sausage wallet. Kitty is downright Puritan by comparison. But, maybe graphic questions are better left to private messages. Tone is always lost in text. So, it's hard to say that someone did or didn't say something with ill intent. The only thing we can all assume until proven otherwise is that things are written with good intention here. As a parting thought, one could argue that it's as much a matter of safety for the SP that expectations are spelled out a little here. What's worse? A guy asking how big your nether lips are, or a guy getting aggressive in person because you aren't what they expected? And no, I'm not condoning the latter in excusing the former.

Hahaha, I had a guy ask me how I prep once, and I said "I take a big shit."

I agree with you Erin. Anymore, when I am seeing a new lady, I don't like a preplanned script of activities. I like to let the encounter unfold naturally. And with repeat encounters, as I have pleasantly discovered, they aren't clones of the first encounter, they unfold and are different, and more personable (for lack of a better word) than the first encounter Part of the enjoyment of the encounter is the surprise, wondering how the evening will turn out A quick additional thought RG

She's back!!! Sweetshay in Ottawa this week Thanks, Shay, and welcome back. We've missed you! Shay's just posted some new pics:

Little over a week ago, I noticed an ad on several of the listing directories that have popped up after the demise of craigslist. The pictures attached showed a girl that I can only describe as adorably sweet and cute, almost unusual in comparison to what is typically out there; A REAL girl next door. I was drawn to the ad immediately, and then I read the headline: Submissive GEM. BDSM is not something I seek out - don't have the desire to be a sub or dom in that extreme way. But I have had partners in the past who enjoy many elements of it, and what turns me on is doing whatever it takes to please who I am with. Hearing those screams of ecstasy while in the act of doing something outside my nature can become the absolute pinnacle of eroticsm. So seeing that combination of sweet AND sexually adventurous made me throw caution to the wind and arrange an appointment asap. When she arrived, I was taken aback again seeing that she was even more adorable in person. Cute smile, bright charming eyes, and very quick to giggle. We sat down and talked for awhile, and then I brought up the details of her ad to make absolutely sure it wasn't some type of 'misprint'. Not only did she confirm it to be (mostly) accurate, her expression changed to one of mischievous glee. My gut instinct about anyone is almost always bang on before I meet them, and that look right there comfirmed again that I was right - even before we started. This was going to be an amazing night. After all was said and done, I was wrong. It was even better than I hoped. Unfortunately (for anyone reading this), the explicit details will remain private. What can be said is that this girl LOVES sex and is insatiable. She is extremely vocal as well. Honestly, I don't recall her cursing during our conversation, but what came out of her mouth while fucking was absolutely filthy. When there were words that is - the high pitched screeching of multiple orgasms made me thankful none of my neighbours have dogs. Totally amazing. For what I like sexually, she was absolutely perfect. Already repeated, and will do so again. Caveats: As with any encounter, YMMV. She also needs to feel comfortable with a client before engaging in any activity, so you will need to respect her wishes if she declines. Also, while she may be tiny, she is not a spinner in any way. If a bit of a tummy is not appealing to you, don't bother - but it's your loss. Outcalls only. My closing thought: It sucks when she leaves, because girls like this make it so hard to accept the reality my chances of finding a like-minded girlfriend are slim to none. Hell, I've met some amazing SP's that might be tough to go back to after this! Oh yeah, she also gives a great massage

Ya I don't get some guys that think their finger or fingers are huge pocket rockets,or power tools for immediate stimulation. I find the slower the pace wins the steady race, 'in other words,go slow young young man' make her orgasm,squirt by delivering sensual touching,lapping,sucking,listen to her moan,breath deep,yelling perhaps yelping,perhaps pulling your hair on your head and burying your face in her moist wet pussy...but most of all enjoy yourself..by letting her tell you what is good. If you need lessons just watch some porn, two ladies going at it you will always noticed they have those beautiful long nails, but they are NOT cutting into the pussy,they are massaging the clit, with their finger tips,getting their partner aroused. If you are unsure, again ask her- talk :Cunning: unless your head is buried..lol

I agree with Cub, and would like to expand on that idea a little... I think as with any sort of intimate encounter (physical, emotional or otherwise) there are just people who have really good chemistry. There may not be any specific reason for it, other than you just "mesh" well together and seem to have an unspoken understanding of what the other person needs/wants at any given moment. I know in my personal life, I have had encounters with men who were very attractive, great men but who did absolutely nothing for me in bed. It wasn't that they were "bad", or inexperienced or anything of that, we just didn't "go together" for whatever reason, even if friendship-wise, we did. I have also had one or two encounters with men who may not have had a lot to say, or may not have gotten along AS well in terms of friendship, but who just knew what to do at the exact moment I needed him to do it, and vice versa. We were just very "in tune" with each other. It was almost creepy, as soon as I would get the feeling that I wanted him to do something in particular, he would do it. Very strange! Sometimes it's just THERE. And other times, it's really not.

Speaking from my own standpoint, I have fairly small breasts ("B"s) and they are very sensitive. I have always been fond of a light touch in general (kissing, caressing, licking, etc) but especially on my breasts. I had one ex-boyfriend when I was younger who bit my nipples and I almost sent him flying across the room trying to get him off me. I have found, though, that too much nipple/breast play can cause it to go from pleasurable to painful if the man is not careful, even if he is using a light touch or soft licking/kissing. Myself, I like it best when the man plays with them for a few minutes, then goes somewhere else with his tongue/hands to give them a bit of a break, then comes back to them. It seems to really build tension and anticipation, and allows me to enjoy the sensations for a lot longer. Most likely, communication is key as with any sexual practice, and usually you can tell from her bodily cues anyway. I know myself, when I am into it, I am relaxed, I arch my back, I will pull his face into my breasts, etc. When it starts to hurt I will stop and move my body to try and move his mouth away from my chest. Sometimes I will pull him up to kiss me or something along those lines, or sometimes I just get quieter than usual (I'm pretty vocal).

Keissy and Emily Dorinda and Gabby Cathy and Angel Cleo and Sara VJ and Chrystal Sara and Malika Malika and Cleo Soleil and Carrie Cleo and Malika and Sara .... oops thats three and the list goes on and on and on ! Jesus and I thought I could actually retire from this hobby. Too many beautiful duo ladies to see. Not enough time ;)

Any links or references on that topic off the top of your head? I'd be interested in reading them.

I'm glad you bring this up. I find it really hard to negotiate "safer" services in the context of a GFE which is my specialty. The way I see it, a girlfriend would be very concerned about the sexual health of her lover, and so should I. People get confused at the suggestion of protection for DATY and BJs. I've discovered that making safer sex sexy is really a skill, and I'm proud to be on my way to mastering it. There are all kinds of considerations in a safer encounter that are often left unconsidered. I try always for example to make sure that one hand is devoted to my own body and one to my client's so that my hands don't transmit any fluids. I wish more people spent more time considering their own safety especially considering the emergence of such niceties as drug-resistant gonorrhea. I would sleep a lot better at night if I knew that people all took their sexual health as seriously as I do. It calms my mind to know that I'm not the only one. Thanks, Hornet, for caring so much about your health. It contributes to all of us who participate in this industry. I wish you a great deal of happy, healthy, consensual sex. xooo, Eva

I'm on the other side from most people. If I was dating someone, and his best friend knew and never said anything to me, I would feel so... weird about it if I ever found out. I don't think the OP has stated he wants to tell his friend, but tell the girl he knows - and I see nothing wrong with this. She may then tell him that her boyfriend already knows. Or, if she's struggling with how/wehn to tell him, this may help her ease through it. As long as you talk to her, respectfully, politely, discreetly, and with NO intention of trying to force her into telling your friend, I do not see why you can't tell her about this. Because imagine this - she tells your friend, he's fine with it, and he tells you about it one day - then they both find out you knew all along. That seems fucked up to me.

if you read her website, you would see her booking procedure

Great reviews of an outstanding woman! Thanks to you all for posting, and especially to you, Gabriella, for being so amazing!

This is a very common thing with the ladies... Always looking for the "Reason" the business gets slow at times and always looking for answers as to why they get no shows and cancellation more at different times of the year. Most NO SHOWS can be stopped by screening your calls properly. Use the Caller ID and CALL BACK the number to verify it. Most guys will not pull a NO SHOW on someone without having the decency to call and properly cancel if you have their number. They know that come appointment time one very upset SP is going to give them a call asking WTF! It's not 100% but it sure helps for those who screen calls. It also makes the call a little more safer as that phone number is now a connection between the guy and the lady... I doubt someone dangerous is going to want to leave a number that can be traced back to them. Most of the ladies look for reasons when things are slow. I guess most of us do that when the business we are in takes a drop in sales/traffic/work load/etc.... You can spend a good portion of your day trying to figure this one out but it's not really worth the effort. It's WAY easier to just plan for these lows (Put some money aside for the slow periods) and just accept that this is part of EVERY business and it will happen. Stop stressing out and trying to point a finger at what you think is causing the slowness as your just going to convince yourself of something that is probably not correct. We have been tracking patterns in this industry since 1996 and the answer for this is... (Drum roll please)... It has no pattern EXCEPT for a few obvious LOW spots. 1) The end of Aug is SLOW every year! (Kids out of school, getting ready to go back to school, family summer vacations, etc...) This is the most popular summer weekend in the tourist industry!! 2) 1 week before and 1 week after Xmass (No need to explain this one right?) New years day too? NOT... 3) January/February for 2 weeks every year (We sum this up to winter blues and getting your credit card statements from Xmass! but we never know what two weeks it will be but for sure 2 weeks around this time it does drop... one year we did not see this and come April we saw a real low drop for 2 weeks and that was obvious weather patterns (Long winter/early spring ... warm winter/cold spring etc...) it does effect this business and you never know when this is coming exactly... so just put some cash aside for these times. 4) First nice weekend of spring (A lot of the ladies take this time off too) 5) Thanksgiving, Easter, Valentines, long weekends, really large sporting events (etc)... they also effect the business. The rest has NO identifiable pattern. You can try to blame it on the economy as a low economy brings more people into this business causing more competition and the overall amount of "Recreational money" the guys have gets a lot smaller so yes the economy does effect it but a low economy BUT it also brings more guys (New guys) in to the mix as well so it's not hit as hard as one would assume. Remember money and sex are the two big things couples fight about... When the economy drops and the money gets tight the stress levels go up, the fighting between couples goes up and the sex stops!! FACT OF LIFE... and I hate to admit it but that is good for this business for all you ladies!! When economy starts to get good again business will decrease a little at first! It's OPPOSITE of what everyone ASSUMES! As for NO SHOWS... This time of year it will obviously be higher. Kids are still home from school, Family vacations, relatives coming for visits, back to school shopping, etc.. etc... and all those people taking time OFF work for family vacations makes other people have to work more (Overtime to cover shifts, higher work loads, etc) it's all relevant.... A lot of LAST MINUTE things come up this time of the year for the "Family Man" and well... kids and family (for most people) come first so recreational visits take a back seat so stuff will get canceled more this time of year. Picture this... The guy is all ready to come see the lady he has chosen and the door bell rings and it's his brother or uncle or who knows who just "DROPS BY" for a visit... URH!? Probably with his annoying kids and wife... (Many of us have been in similar situations) This happens EVERY YEAR... Come September 17th (Or around that time) once the kids are back in school and the routine is back... things will pick up. Summer sucks as a lot more things can get in the way or throw a guys schedule off. Don't spend all your time looking for reasons why the business slows down.... it happens to EVERY PROVIDER & EVERY BUSINESS ... It can not be busy 100% of the time and it does take a little planning and anticipation.