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I'm wondering if you actually turn over the emails you have found? This would mean that private information from a provider (her location etc) will be in the hands of non industry female and could result in harrassment, eviction or worse. Depending on the intentions of the woman, this could have dire unintended consequences for an email only provider like myself or my sisters in our industry. I have been on the receiving end of angry wife phone calls and even visits by them to my incall. I would not wish it on anyone. Our industry carries unnecessary stigma and both provider and hobbyists alike bear the brunt of the negativity. If it were me, I would do everything in my power to protect the other potential victims by eliminating information that would give this woman the power to cause serious harm to them. If that was unavoidable, I would not forward any of this man's hobbying to her. I would eliminate this aspect from the report. I would simply look at it as an anonymous good deed, collect my money and move on. The woman who has hired you obviously is not concerned with ethics or she would have been sitting in front of you with his wife as she hired you or would not have contacted you at all. Her actions are invasively disrespectful to her sister and her sisters marriage. Declining the case would simply allow her to take it to another investigator that would give her the information and perhaps put a provider in harms way. We count on the hobbyist to be discreet and protect our information by not keeping it for prying eyes to find and this man obviously failed to do so. As a hobbyist, you have an opportunity to correct his mistake. Perhaps this is an old school mentality but I was taught that we protect our own, first and foremost. Society as a whole does not respect or protect us. It is up to us to ensure that those of us in our community are kept safe to the best of our ability and when the opportunity arises, we should not violate an unwritten code... cat

Ethics is a matter of doing what is right. Money doesn't factor into it in this case IMHO. What you are suggesting is nothing less than extortion, irrespective of how it is ratonalized. And it isn't just wrong, it compounds and complicates what is already an ethical dilemma for this guy. Just my two cents RG

I don't think it's necessarily a silly question. A lot of people hold onto this idea that people have a limited amount of sexual and/or emotional energy in any given day. People often wonder whether SPs/MAs are using up all of this energy at work. I don't ascribe to this idea that people have a limited amount of energy, I think life is more complicated than that and our energy levels depend on a variety of factors. Try and ask this same question for other sectors of the labour market. For example, when you've had a really really draining day at work... you're completely and utterly exhausted... if you had the opportunity to have amazing, relaxing, and rejuvenating sex, would you pass it up? Without getting into too much detail, of course we have sex in our personal lives! It's incredibly rare I don't want to have sex, unless I'm sick, but even then sometimes doing something as simple as mutual masturbation or a raunchy make-out session is sex for me. There are varieties and levels of sex that require more/less energy... to me, it's all about intimacy, not necessarily aerobatic sexual positions.

I think if an SP advertises it then she must be somewhat into it. If they just tolerate it for money then I can't comment because I won't do something I don't like or can't handle. Personally I don't like anal sex as I had a bad experience with it. I do have sex toys that I use sometimes on the job and for my own personal use but that is at my own discretion. Many people don't understand when you tell them to be careful and go slow so it's off the menu boys. I was a fan of digit play there but not so much now as many men use fingers there and try to stick them somewhere else afterwards. I'm literally having to stop them. Please tell me why some men think this is okay? Do they think this is healthy and nothing bad is going to happen? It's called a urinary tract infection and it is the worst pain ever! Basically bateria is coming from the colon and into the vagina and finally into the bladder. That's disgusting. A woman wakes up feeling like she is urinating razor baldes with the worst and uncomfortable abdominal pain that doesn't stop unless treated with antibiotics. If not treated, it leads to a kidney infection. I just wanted to mention this because some people really don't think about this even if they don't have ignorant or reckless intentions. Anything that is going to make me sick I won't do unless they follow my specific directions which is fine and can be enjoyable but so many just don't think about these things... I consider anal play more risky as the condom has a much higher chance of breaking. I care about my health.

I noticed that in all reccomendations that a hobbyist writes, there is no link to the lovely ladies profiles. You have to go search for her name. I for one would like to have a direct link to her profile, does anyone else feel this way?

I think the ladies who last longer in this business are people who are sexually comfortable with themselves and while it's a lucrative business, I'm a firm believer in the fact that if you don't like what you're doing for a living then don't do it. I don't do anything I don't want to do and yes, while --some-- do it for the cash, they are usually in and out of this business fairly quickly. I treat this like a business but at the same rate, many ladies provide good service and are not revolving door when it comes to seeing clients. As for women enjoying sex with less partners, then please explain why married men come to see us? Some wives simply no longer enjoy having sex so that puts that theory right out the window. For the record, I'm not judging married men for doing that as that's what we are here for. In fact, I believe SPs do in fact save many marriages.

Well not hat I'm an expert but I'll weigh in. At first gance, I have 2 issues with the situation. First, I'm having difficulty with the client being the sister-in-law. I personally don't see it being any of her business. It would be very different to me if your client was the wife but I feel that just because someone wants to know something doesn't mean they have a right to know. I say this not being familiar with the industry and not knowing what is common practice. It's just my opinion. The second issue, and probably more pertinent, is the "outing" you describe. I think although we try to separate our hobbying lives from the "real" world, we simply can't completely. I also feel that it is a similar situation to being at the grocery store where you run into a fellow hobbyist with his wife. In that situation you would either ignore him or come up with some story about how you knew each other. I think there exists a "code" that we must adhere to. It's a code which is mutually beneficial. You know something about him but he may also know something about you. Even if he doesn't Karma has a way of working these things out. I think the fact that struggling with what to do probably means you already know that you don't want this client. So I'd suggest, you go to the client and tell her you've discovered a personal link to the gentleman which disqualifies you from taking her as a client and give her her money back. My $0.02. Pennies are still accepted, right?

This seems like kind of a silly question to me. For most well adjusted people sex is like eating, so it's a bit like asking a chef if he or she still likes to cook and eat food. What I have discovered over the years is that according to some SPs relationships can be challenging to have but that's not the same thing at all is it?

I bet sex in the workplace is very common in your line of business <ducking for cover>

Il Re, I'll teach the ladies. LMAO!!! Cleo, it's really not that difficult. You just need to find your spot. It is usually found with the fingers and at the back there is a ridge on the wall. You need to keep touching that area and trust me...your eyes will go in the back of your head. Many guys can't find it because they like to finger women so roughly and think we enjoy that so I don't let anyone do it but will let them use toys. I also have a spot on the outside that is just as satisfying.

I stumbled across this on youtube...lol. That's fucking craaaazzzzzy!!! Hahaha. My friend and I can't stop saying it now. LMAO!

I think that this subject has been addressed very well but I would like to raise one thing that's not exactly germane, but related. Paid companions' ethics and confidentiality are called into question almost as a matter of course. Can a man trust us not to cause problems in his private life? How can he be sure we'll keep his identity a secret? I'm asked these questions all the time. The simple truth is that the one most likely to create a problem is the client. He uses the wrong computer to check his private e-mail account. He leaves a phone number on his cell phone. He records names, telephone numbers and addresses in a paper appointment journal and leaves it lying around. He keeps receipts for meals, hotel rooms, flowers or gifts. He sets up a private credit card or bank account but receives paper statements that are subsequently discovered by his wife, girlfriend or adult child. He saves e-mail and forum posts in word processing files on his computer. I could go on and on about the things that a man can do that may result in being discovered. In short: it's his own actions that reveal what he's up to. When wives, girlfriends and adult children find out that the fellow is seeing one of us, they find out from him, not from us. Every companion I know who has ever been asked by a potential client has readily agreed to sign a non-disclosure agreement but those requests are very few and far between. I've signed exactly one in the last 10 years. One. The confidentiality I extend to that particular man is no more and no less than what I provide to all others who visit me. Unfortunately, paid companions can't expect the same level of security with our clients. Every man who sees us is absolutely certain that he's covered his tracks. Almost none of them has. The ladies here offer a lot of support for one another every time a spouse contacts us. We're in the secrecy business. Confidentiality is non-negotiable as long as we're safe. We never admit that we've seen Mr. Wonderful. There's been a mistake. The caller has a wrong number. Yes, that's my line of work, but I don't know him. I never see men of that age, ethnicity, nationality, political affiliation. I have no idea why he recorded have my name, my website or e-mail address: hundreds of people see that information every day. I wasn't at the restaurant, theatre, yacht. I'm sorry for your distress. I've never met him. I didn't even vote for him/read his book/see that movie. Please don't cry. I can't help you. I hope things work out for you. I understand your anger, but I've never met you before and I've never met him. Please leave. You are not welcome here. I'm sorry you're so upset, but if you don't leave, now, I will call the police. I hope you can get things resolved, but I don't know him.

You have a very low and jaundiced view of women my friend. A woman's worth is not measured by how much she can make on her back. She is a human being with hopes, dreams and aspirations and not just a piece of meat to be weighed and judged singularly by her sexuality and her physical attractiveness or lack of same.

Not to get off topic here, but you're comparing escorts to streetwalkers. Apples and Bananas my friend...........

Absolutely! Gourmet chefs cook at home, too. Librarians read books outside of work. Doctors treat patients all day and attend to their own children's sore throats and sniffles. Bankers and brokers manage their own money. Travel agents take vacations. Construction workers, carpenters, plumbers, landscapers and gardeners usually take care of things at home. My dog trainer's own dogs are wonderful, beautifully trained critters. I dated a chef for a couple of years. While his reputation was for creating amazing dishes based on whatever was fresh in the market that morning, nobody anywhere, anytime, made better meatloaf, mac & cheese, chicken soup or basic breakfast from ordinary ingredients. He knew what he was doing and did it with loving care. I try to do the same.

I'm going to suggest Georgiana Sweet. Her boobs are to die for and to add she is extremely gorgeous and smart as a whip :) http://sweet-company.com/

of course! The more sex I have in my private life, the better I feel about working as an SP and actually keep a regular schedule. I have a healthy sexual life. Most of my partners are female thought, but that'S just cause I am slutty and greedy...and I like to be about 50/50 with both men and women. I get the sex with men in my professional life and sex with women in my private life :)

Simply trust the ladies' advertising! I hope and, in fact, am very confident that none of them 'tolerate' their involvement in this business.

You mean it isn't legal now? You must be an American (or watch too much American TV), it is not now and never has been illegal in Canada. Of course warrant-less searches of someone else's computer (without the Court's permission) or illegal wire tapping or surreptitious video surveillance is illegal.

Oh and as for asking the guy for money. That's not an option. That's extortion. And as far as ethics goes, you're breaking the bro code and the work ethics with that one so I certainly do not consider that even remotely close to being an option.

An era that always interested me was the 1870-1910 period of time. So much was changing on the technological front. When I was in university studying science it was always surprised me on how much of our fundamental science started during this time. Also, the pace of the development was much faster than in previous eras. A new idea quickly reached around the world. I still like being here in the present. Although, as Georgiana Sweet noted "we are living (in the west) in this magical, gilded society" and I do share her concerns of the future. The last gilded age ended up in major upheavals. If we are lucky we can learn for the mistakes of those times. Let us hope that "the better angels of our nature" help us avoid any future upheavals.

Well a couple issues. You as someone who partakes in this lifestyle undertook a contract which could potentially out someone else who partakes in this lifestyle. To me, if I was in your shoes, I would have declined the contract right there. If this concern happened as your surveillance started, you should have ceased the investigation. And return all money to the former client. She shouldn't pay for services she never got, there are ethics concerning dealing with your clients/ex-clients too. As for warning him, you wouldn't have known unless hired to investigate to begin with. If this guy is so indiscrete to leave a trail of proverbial breadcrumbs, on one hand he knows the risks. But on the other hand, there are potential innocent victims here too, the companions that this guy sees. They shouldn't run the risk of being contacted by an angry wife because of the husband's indiscretion or your surveillance of him. So only considering the ladies here, tell him he is suspected by his sister in law of cheating so he can be more discrete. Not only is this guy at risk of being exposed, the companions he sees may incur unfairly the wrath of a angry wife. Your client, hired you on the belief you would perform the services requested. If you chose to not pursue the investigation you shouldn't accept any money, imho it would be akin to fraudulently obtaining it, she is paying for services she never received. What you choose to do I don't know, but from posting this you are having a moral quandry here. My advice, cancel your contract, return the money...ALL OF IT and warn the guy only so he can clean up his breadcrumbs. You have to look at yourself in the mirror at the end of the day RG

Forget about outing a fellow hobbiest, you've just outtted yourself here and it's not likely that anyone will want to share private details regarding anything of any intimate matter with sps, mas or even girlfriends here knowing that someday it may be used against them. If you've had any professional training as an investigator you might want to review your textbooks and notes about ethics of the trade, ethics regarding responsibility to the client and ethics of best practices when investigating and accessing information. That's where you'll find your answer.

I also am more concerned on how you got this information. Intercepting someone's e-mail, (which is what you seem to have implied) is, if not illegal, certainly questionable. It could result in civil action, if not criminal. The fact it was a sister-in-law, who to me is more of a third-party than someone directly involved, makes it even more questionable. Return the money, declaring a conflict or personal connection, and walk away.

I don't think that these generalizations apply to most of us, Harrywatch. Speaking for myself, as one who has had more than "many" partners, I have no difficulty whatever enjoying the sex. I often enjoy it a great deal. Perhaps this is because I take time to get to know the men who visit me and to create an atmosphere where we can be comfortable together and our mutual pleasure increased. In fact, I think that time and experience has enhanced my ability to enjoy everything that goes on between us.

I will be organizing the next Ottawa social for both male and female CERB members in good standing on Thursday, February 7, 2013 in Ottawa. Since this is being organized by CERB members for other CERB members, please do not bother the MOD about this event. It will be held a centrally located venue in Ottawa. It will be in a reserved room of a public bar/restaurant. It will run from approximately 6:30 p.m. until closing time. There will be a variety of music played and dancing will be encouraged. There will be a limit of 60 spots available (ideally 30 gents/30 ladies), on a first-come, first-served basis to those members in good standing who have some presence on the board or in the hobby (if you have a low post count, but good rep, that's all we care about). There will be a cost for gents to attend and tickets will be available starting now. You will be able to pay by e-mail money transfer, postal money order or cash (in person). The price of the tickets will be $40. This is to cover drinks for the ladies, appetizers, door prizes and other expenses associated with organizing these events. There will be no cost to the ladies to attend, however you will have to confirm 3 days before the event that still intend on coming due to the fact we always sell out and end up with a waiting list. If you didn't get a chance last time, you will be given first priority. I am looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting new ones. This is a meet and greet social event in a public venue (no hanky panky :smile:) and as with past events, expect all attendees to behave accordingly. Remember, CERB members from all across Canada (and elsewhere) are welcome to attend. If you think you might like to join us, feel free to pm and let me know. Angela of Ottawa Your humble social organizer.

Why limit this question to Greek? You could ask the same question(s) about bbbj or cim or cimsw. I wouldn't over think things too much, assume the ladies are adults, professionals and in control of their life.

Superbowl party tonight. Making Serbian cevapcici, ajvar, and lepinja. Plus some appetizers like puff pastry sausage rolls and spinach wheels. Made triple chocolate brownies and dulce due leche cheesecake bars too. Gonna be good.

If I said I did, it might ruin the "fantasy" but I am still human so let's just say I'm always well taken care of in that department by someone who is the male version of me in so many ways. It doesn't get any better than that. I also believe that sex off the job enhances better sessions with clients. If you see me very happy and smiling, you know why. It's a win win for everyone. ;)

There are very few ladies that offer this, and i don't think it's offered just because they tolerate it.

I think if you're finding this ethically challenging you're in the wrong line of work. You have to know that if you're an investigator, sometimes you're going to find things that harm people. Part of the job. This case is different to you because it strikes to the heart of your own hobby but it's really no different than investigating someone for fraud or having a regular girlfriend on the side. If you find yourself conflicted, perhaps you should do something that won't put you in that position. I'm sure there are many others more ruthless than you willing to step in and take your place. If I were a cop, I'd expect to have to bust some heads some times. If I were a soldier, I'd expect to have to shoot people some times. If I were a doctor I'd expect to accidentally kill people some times. You can't just take the Nuremberg defence. Either you decide to hurt people or you don't. If you do, then own it. Nobody is forcing you.

I agree with Danny1012, the ladies at Good Hands provide excellent deep massages. I had a 4 hand massage led by Sophie before Christmas. Couldn't have asked for better! Optional finish left my legs weak.

To everyone saying he should consider the ethics about outing someone before giving the information, he's past that point. HE should have considered them before accepting a job to out someone. Whether it was for being with an SP or another woman, all the possible harassment and "bro code" stuff are the same. In my opinion (and what seems to be a majority) he should NOT have taken the job (or any similar) in the first place. but..... (I bet you knew this was coming) HE TOOK the job. Outing someone is not illegal (I wont go into how he got the information, At this point it it is in possession and as far as everyone jumping on the illegal bandwagon, coming from a site with a fair amount of incalls I find that hypocritical. (We can ignore the laws we choose but he can't? Jump on the ethics of it, which seems to be the bigger issue here, not the illegality) So we're down to a few choices: 1. Return the money, Don't tell the guy: If you do this quit the job. Never take another. You're agreeing it is wrong to out someone. Acceptable morally by many here but many agree she will hire another. End result guy probably gets outed. 2. Return the money and warn the guy: If you do this quit the job. Never take another. You're agreeing it is wrong to out someone. Acceptable morally by many here but many agree she will hire another. End result guy less likely to get outed, but who knows how his relationship with sister in law turns out. 3. Return partial amount. Give only information that he cheated and no specifics. (I don't get this one. If the contract says you have to give information on who he is with then you need to give that information and get all the money or not give any info and return the money saying you cant fulfill the contract. If the contract does not require the other persons info then don't give it and take all the money. 4. Give all the information you have and get paid to do the job you accepted. You made your bed now sleep in it. If you choose this, you're work ethic is good, your bro code is broken (Which it already was once you accepted the job anyway), he's outed and please don't show your face here ever again. Cause nobody will trust you. (Well I think that line has already been crossed and although I can't ask you to leave, I'm sure you will not get much warm hugs from many here) Discretion is key to this industry. So in my mind the question is do you want to keep doing your investigative work. If yes, you have to give her the info. If you are willing to quit, this would be a good one to reject and end that side job of yours.

If there's one thing I've learned it's that we don't learn from our mistakes. We've been inflating stock market bubbles over and over for hundreds of years. We've been buying into propaganda from leaders who would send us to war for thousands more. "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" -Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Kay (Men in Black)

This has been an interesting discussion. As I read the various posts, I kept swinging back and forth into what to do. Right now, I would say that you were paid for a job and you should fulfill your obligations to complete that job. As much as I hate the idea of "outing" a hobbiest, especially to a snoopy sister-in-law, he did leave enough evidence that a person was able to figure out what he was doing. I am assuming that whatever actions you took were legal. If that is the case then you should complete the job. The main reason I think you should complete the job is that you also have the ability to limit the damage to the SPs involved. I'm not sure how your contract was written up but you definitely would be able to confirm that your "target" was seeing SPs but you probably don't need to provide the SPs contact information, location of meetings, etc. You have to take on the job of educating the nosy sister-in-law that although her belief that her brother-in-law is stepping out on her sister is correct it doesn't mean he was doing anything illegal. More importantly the SPs that he was seeing were not doing anything illegal. You can explain your reason further by noting that many wives who are in these type of situation tend to blame the women involved and not their husbands. Since the SPs were not doing anything illegal nor are they responsible for the brother-in-laws indiscretions, you cannot in good conscience pass along the SP contact information. If you client doesn't like the fact that you won't pass along the SP contact information then you know that the SPs were going to be taking the brunt of the shit-storm that was coming. If that is the case, give back a portion of your client's money.

One has to hope that the wife would realize the guilty party in all of this is her husband, not the SP(s) in question. We all know angry wives happen, but unfortunately, in this scenario, he was contracted for a specific job. He either does the job or he refunds the money. Those are his only two options.

WOW! I've done them all many times and will surely continue to do almost all on the list while still adding to my own "Must Dos". This is one hot thread and poll. I first read the list and thought shoot I'm a freak...Nawww I'm just a very open-minded sexual freaky lady :bddog:. Oh what shall I add to my list next or do again???? YOLO!!:icon_wink:

I read this thread about Evelyne here on cerb and was amazed by the recommendations in this thread and decided to also check the other board and she passed both boards gloriously as a very pretty safe GFE (my type exactly), She is among those providers who enjoys positive glorifying reviews on both boards and was a definite candidate to be my guest and my date for this weekend. I contacted her via her web site (given in this thread) and asked questions to see if we are compatible for a date (likes and dislikes) and she came back with all the right answers. So we made a tentative date for this Saturday afternoon and I was crossing my fingers all week that nothing unexpected happens to ruin this highly anticipated date. Everything went well and Evelyne was here on time but my God once the elevator door opened, then an angel came out of it with a smiling beautiful face. I welcomed her at the elevator and walked her to my place and once the door closed we started kissing and hugging and I knew that I will have one of the best hours of my life. What a beautiful face!!!. Evelyne has a very pretty face. An absolutely beautiful soft feminine natural blonde hair that I loved kissing, beautiful blue eyes and sexy lips that i I kept kissing again and again and again and she responded in kind. her body may not be a spinner but sexy and her skin may not be very pale, but soft. It is not my style to detail my date as it will remain private between two of us but only to say that she is a TOTAL GFE in both physical and emotional aspects of the definition. I had a heavenly time with this university student who will be graduating soon. Evelyne is a very classy and beautiful young educated lady and I would like to extend again my thanks to Evelyne for accepting my invitation to a be a guest in my house and the unforgettable date and I know now that I will be seeing her again soon.

From a professional standpoint: you've taken on a contract, and you therefore have a professional duty to fulfill that contract to the best of your ability. If you can't, I suppose a full refund to you your client with whatever explanation was appropriate would be a second-best option. But taking your client's money - any of it - and then lying to her about what you'd found would be seriously unethical. From a personal standpoint, on outing a fellow hobbyist... you knew (or should have known) that was a risk when you took the job on, so you don't get to complain now that the dice have landed that way. How you feel about this is what's going to be the deciding factor in whether you fulfill the contract you've undertaken, or renege on it entirely and refund your client. But if you're not happy about taking responsibility for screwing up someone else's life, you should probably re-think this covert surveillance thing entirely. And a big +1 on the questions over the legality of what you're doing. IANAL, but it sounds highly questionable to me.

You accepted a job and it would be unethical to not report your findings.

Just wanted to point out that not ALL recos. are lacking links to profiles. As it is a pet peeve of mine as well I make sure to include links in all my recommendations.

Has it occurred to you that some people who have many partners may do so because they enjoy the sex?

I think a lot of it boils down to respect as well. As with any other aspect of life, if you treat people with respect, you're more likely to be respected back. As clients we are just as responsible as the ladies we spend time with for how much we both an encounter. Again as with anything in life, you get out what you put in. If your only goal is to get in and get off then you're not only disrespecting your partner, you're severely limiting your own enjoyment in what could be a fabulous experience. Obviously the experience is more enjoyable when all parties involved are 'into' it and having a good time. Watching someone else get turned on is an incredible turn on itself. And as Samantha says, the more experience you have, the more in tune you are with your own body and the more you learn what others like. The human body is a wonderful thing. You should take your time and enjoy all it has to offer!

Cleo, perhaps?

Well worth the risk for all gentlemen if they have doubts about her age as opposed to taking a chance and engaging in sexual activities with an underage young lady.

you should be more concerned about her if she is underage...as far as hobbyists seeing her, they are adults who are usually of sound mind to make their own decisions and deal with the results. Though one should definitely be concerned for both, I think you have your priorities backwards.

Curve hugging mini-shirts/dresses:

I offer strap-on services and I am pretty sure Malika does as well when she's in Ottawa

At 18 (I was something of a late bloomer) I took my then girlfriend to Florida with my parents to visit my grandparents who were snowbirds at the time. First night I got a bj on the couch while my grandparents were sleeping in the next room. Now keep in mind that this was a motor home so the "next room" is pretty much just the other end of the trailer, separated by a 1 inch piece of sliding paneling lol. The next night another bj progressed to digits and eventually to the full shebang ;) ...Again with my grandparents in the next "room". The showers at the snowbird trailer park where we were staying were community showers, one side of the building for the men, the other for the women. She sneaked into the men's side one night and we had us some fun in the shower. She was a real dirty girl...that was an AWESOME 2 weeks! :D She even tried to go down on me again on the drive home, we were in the back seat and my parents, both very much awake, in the front of the car. I put a stop to that right quick, she pouted the rest of the way home, lol. Ahhh....fun times. I've been a fan of the Sunshine State ever since. And as I think about it now, I just realized that as that trip was my first foray into the sexual arena that this could very well explain my fondness for public quickies! Even though she's married now I still keep in close touch with her....can you blame me? She can't stay married forever right? :p