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I'm wondering if you actually turn over the emails you have found? This would mean that private information from a provider (her location etc) will be in the hands of non industry female and could result in harrassment, eviction or worse. Depending on the intentions of the woman, this could have dire unintended consequences for an email only provider like myself or my sisters in our industry. I have been on the receiving end of angry wife phone calls and even visits by them to my incall. I would not wish it on anyone. Our industry carries unnecessary stigma and both provider and hobbyists alike bear the brunt of the negativity. If it were me, I would do everything in my power to protect the other potential victims by eliminating information that would give this woman the power to cause serious harm to them. If that was unavoidable, I would not forward any of this man's hobbying to her. I would eliminate this aspect from the report. I would simply look at it as an anonymous good deed, collect my money and move on. The woman who has hired you obviously is not concerned with ethics or she would have been sitting in front of you with his wife as she hired you or would not have contacted you at all. Her actions are invasively disrespectful to her sister and her sisters marriage. Declining the case would simply allow her to take it to another investigator that would give her the information and perhaps put a provider in harms way. We count on the hobbyist to be discreet and protect our information by not keeping it for prying eyes to find and this man obviously failed to do so. As a hobbyist, you have an opportunity to correct his mistake. Perhaps this is an old school mentality but I was taught that we protect our own, first and foremost. Society as a whole does not respect or protect us. It is up to us to ensure that those of us in our community are kept safe to the best of our ability and when the opportunity arises, we should not violate an unwritten code... cat

Ethics is a matter of doing what is right. Money doesn't factor into it in this case IMHO. What you are suggesting is nothing less than extortion, irrespective of how it is ratonalized. And it isn't just wrong, it compounds and complicates what is already an ethical dilemma for this guy. Just my two cents RG

I don't think it's necessarily a silly question. A lot of people hold onto this idea that people have a limited amount of sexual and/or emotional energy in any given day. People often wonder whether SPs/MAs are using up all of this energy at work. I don't ascribe to this idea that people have a limited amount of energy, I think life is more complicated than that and our energy levels depend on a variety of factors. Try and ask this same question for other sectors of the labour market. For example, when you've had a really really draining day at work... you're completely and utterly exhausted... if you had the opportunity to have amazing, relaxing, and rejuvenating sex, would you pass it up? Without getting into too much detail, of course we have sex in our personal lives! It's incredibly rare I don't want to have sex, unless I'm sick, but even then sometimes doing something as simple as mutual masturbation or a raunchy make-out session is sex for me. There are varieties and levels of sex that require more/less energy... to me, it's all about intimacy, not necessarily aerobatic sexual positions.

I think if an SP advertises it then she must be somewhat into it. If they just tolerate it for money then I can't comment because I won't do something I don't like or can't handle. Personally I don't like anal sex as I had a bad experience with it. I do have sex toys that I use sometimes on the job and for my own personal use but that is at my own discretion. Many people don't understand when you tell them to be careful and go slow so it's off the menu boys. I was a fan of digit play there but not so much now as many men use fingers there and try to stick them somewhere else afterwards. I'm literally having to stop them. Please tell me why some men think this is okay? Do they think this is healthy and nothing bad is going to happen? It's called a urinary tract infection and it is the worst pain ever! Basically bateria is coming from the colon and into the vagina and finally into the bladder. That's disgusting. A woman wakes up feeling like she is urinating razor baldes with the worst and uncomfortable abdominal pain that doesn't stop unless treated with antibiotics. If not treated, it leads to a kidney infection. I just wanted to mention this because some people really don't think about this even if they don't have ignorant or reckless intentions. Anything that is going to make me sick I won't do unless they follow my specific directions which is fine and can be enjoyable but so many just don't think about these things... I consider anal play more risky as the condom has a much higher chance of breaking. I care about my health.

I noticed that in all reccomendations that a hobbyist writes, there is no link to the lovely ladies profiles. You have to go search for her name. I for one would like to have a direct link to her profile, does anyone else feel this way?

I think the ladies who last longer in this business are people who are sexually comfortable with themselves and while it's a lucrative business, I'm a firm believer in the fact that if you don't like what you're doing for a living then don't do it. I don't do anything I don't want to do and yes, while --some-- do it for the cash, they are usually in and out of this business fairly quickly. I treat this like a business but at the same rate, many ladies provide good service and are not revolving door when it comes to seeing clients. As for women enjoying sex with less partners, then please explain why married men come to see us? Some wives simply no longer enjoy having sex so that puts that theory right out the window. For the record, I'm not judging married men for doing that as that's what we are here for. In fact, I believe SPs do in fact save many marriages.

Well not hat I'm an expert but I'll weigh in. At first gance, I have 2 issues with the situation. First, I'm having difficulty with the client being the sister-in-law. I personally don't see it being any of her business. It would be very different to me if your client was the wife but I feel that just because someone wants to know something doesn't mean they have a right to know. I say this not being familiar with the industry and not knowing what is common practice. It's just my opinion. The second issue, and probably more pertinent, is the "outing" you describe. I think although we try to separate our hobbying lives from the "real" world, we simply can't completely. I also feel that it is a similar situation to being at the grocery store where you run into a fellow hobbyist with his wife. In that situation you would either ignore him or come up with some story about how you knew each other. I think there exists a "code" that we must adhere to. It's a code which is mutually beneficial. You know something about him but he may also know something about you. Even if he doesn't Karma has a way of working these things out. I think the fact that struggling with what to do probably means you already know that you don't want this client. So I'd suggest, you go to the client and tell her you've discovered a personal link to the gentleman which disqualifies you from taking her as a client and give her her money back. My $0.02. Pennies are still accepted, right?

This seems like kind of a silly question to me. For most well adjusted people sex is like eating, so it's a bit like asking a chef if he or she still likes to cook and eat food. What I have discovered over the years is that according to some SPs relationships can be challenging to have but that's not the same thing at all is it?

I bet sex in the workplace is very common in your line of business <ducking for cover>

Il Re, I'll teach the ladies. LMAO!!! Cleo, it's really not that difficult. You just need to find your spot. It is usually found with the fingers and at the back there is a ridge on the wall. You need to keep touching that area and trust me...your eyes will go in the back of your head. Many guys can't find it because they like to finger women so roughly and think we enjoy that so I don't let anyone do it but will let them use toys. I also have a spot on the outside that is just as satisfying.

I stumbled across this on youtube...lol. That's fucking craaaazzzzzy!!! Hahaha. My friend and I can't stop saying it now. LMAO!

I think that this subject has been addressed very well but I would like to raise one thing that's not exactly germane, but related. Paid companions' ethics and confidentiality are called into question almost as a matter of course. Can a man trust us not to cause problems in his private life? How can he be sure we'll keep his identity a secret? I'm asked these questions all the time. The simple truth is that the one most likely to create a problem is the client. He uses the wrong computer to check his private e-mail account. He leaves a phone number on his cell phone. He records names, telephone numbers and addresses in a paper appointment journal and leaves it lying around. He keeps receipts for meals, hotel rooms, flowers or gifts. He sets up a private credit card or bank account but receives paper statements that are subsequently discovered by his wife, girlfriend or adult child. He saves e-mail and forum posts in word processing files on his computer. I could go on and on about the things that a man can do that may result in being discovered. In short: it's his own actions that reveal what he's up to. When wives, girlfriends and adult children find out that the fellow is seeing one of us, they find out from him, not from us. Every companion I know who has ever been asked by a potential client has readily agreed to sign a non-disclosure agreement but those requests are very few and far between. I've signed exactly one in the last 10 years. One. The confidentiality I extend to that particular man is no more and no less than what I provide to all others who visit me. Unfortunately, paid companions can't expect the same level of security with our clients. Every man who sees us is absolutely certain that he's covered his tracks. Almost none of them has. The ladies here offer a lot of support for one another every time a spouse contacts us. We're in the secrecy business. Confidentiality is non-negotiable as long as we're safe. We never admit that we've seen Mr. Wonderful. There's been a mistake. The caller has a wrong number. Yes, that's my line of work, but I don't know him. I never see men of that age, ethnicity, nationality, political affiliation. I have no idea why he recorded have my name, my website or e-mail address: hundreds of people see that information every day. I wasn't at the restaurant, theatre, yacht. I'm sorry for your distress. I've never met him. I didn't even vote for him/read his book/see that movie. Please don't cry. I can't help you. I hope things work out for you. I understand your anger, but I've never met you before and I've never met him. Please leave. You are not welcome here. I'm sorry you're so upset, but if you don't leave, now, I will call the police. I hope you can get things resolved, but I don't know him.

You have a very low and jaundiced view of women my friend. A woman's worth is not measured by how much she can make on her back. She is a human being with hopes, dreams and aspirations and not just a piece of meat to be weighed and judged singularly by her sexuality and her physical attractiveness or lack of same.

Not to get off topic here, but you're comparing escorts to streetwalkers. Apples and Bananas my friend...........

Absolutely! Gourmet chefs cook at home, too. Librarians read books outside of work. Doctors treat patients all day and attend to their own children's sore throats and sniffles. Bankers and brokers manage their own money. Travel agents take vacations. Construction workers, carpenters, plumbers, landscapers and gardeners usually take care of things at home. My dog trainer's own dogs are wonderful, beautifully trained critters. I dated a chef for a couple of years. While his reputation was for creating amazing dishes based on whatever was fresh in the market that morning, nobody anywhere, anytime, made better meatloaf, mac & cheese, chicken soup or basic breakfast from ordinary ingredients. He knew what he was doing and did it with loving care. I try to do the same.

I'm going to suggest Georgiana Sweet. Her boobs are to die for and to add she is extremely gorgeous and smart as a whip :) http://sweet-company.com/

of course! The more sex I have in my private life, the better I feel about working as an SP and actually keep a regular schedule. I have a healthy sexual life. Most of my partners are female thought, but that'S just cause I am slutty and greedy...and I like to be about 50/50 with both men and women. I get the sex with men in my professional life and sex with women in my private life :)

Simply trust the ladies' advertising! I hope and, in fact, am very confident that none of them 'tolerate' their involvement in this business.

You mean it isn't legal now? You must be an American (or watch too much American TV), it is not now and never has been illegal in Canada. Of course warrant-less searches of someone else's computer (without the Court's permission) or illegal wire tapping or surreptitious video surveillance is illegal.

Oh and as for asking the guy for money. That's not an option. That's extortion. And as far as ethics goes, you're breaking the bro code and the work ethics with that one so I certainly do not consider that even remotely close to being an option.

An era that always interested me was the 1870-1910 period of time. So much was changing on the technological front. When I was in university studying science it was always surprised me on how much of our fundamental science started during this time. Also, the pace of the development was much faster than in previous eras. A new idea quickly reached around the world. I still like being here in the present. Although, as Georgiana Sweet noted "we are living (in the west) in this magical, gilded society" and I do share her concerns of the future. The last gilded age ended up in major upheavals. If we are lucky we can learn for the mistakes of those times. Let us hope that "the better angels of our nature" help us avoid any future upheavals.

Well a couple issues. You as someone who partakes in this lifestyle undertook a contract which could potentially out someone else who partakes in this lifestyle. To me, if I was in your shoes, I would have declined the contract right there. If this concern happened as your surveillance started, you should have ceased the investigation. And return all money to the former client. She shouldn't pay for services she never got, there are ethics concerning dealing with your clients/ex-clients too. As for warning him, you wouldn't have known unless hired to investigate to begin with. If this guy is so indiscrete to leave a trail of proverbial breadcrumbs, on one hand he knows the risks. But on the other hand, there are potential innocent victims here too, the companions that this guy sees. They shouldn't run the risk of being contacted by an angry wife because of the husband's indiscretion or your surveillance of him. So only considering the ladies here, tell him he is suspected by his sister in law of cheating so he can be more discrete. Not only is this guy at risk of being exposed, the companions he sees may incur unfairly the wrath of a angry wife. Your client, hired you on the belief you would perform the services requested. If you chose to not pursue the investigation you shouldn't accept any money, imho it would be akin to fraudulently obtaining it, she is paying for services she never received. What you choose to do I don't know, but from posting this you are having a moral quandry here. My advice, cancel your contract, return the money...ALL OF IT and warn the guy only so he can clean up his breadcrumbs. You have to look at yourself in the mirror at the end of the day RG

Forget about outing a fellow hobbiest, you've just outtted yourself here and it's not likely that anyone will want to share private details regarding anything of any intimate matter with sps, mas or even girlfriends here knowing that someday it may be used against them. If you've had any professional training as an investigator you might want to review your textbooks and notes about ethics of the trade, ethics regarding responsibility to the client and ethics of best practices when investigating and accessing information. That's where you'll find your answer.

I also am more concerned on how you got this information. Intercepting someone's e-mail, (which is what you seem to have implied) is, if not illegal, certainly questionable. It could result in civil action, if not criminal. The fact it was a sister-in-law, who to me is more of a third-party than someone directly involved, makes it even more questionable. Return the money, declaring a conflict or personal connection, and walk away.

I don't think that these generalizations apply to most of us, Harrywatch. Speaking for myself, as one who has had more than "many" partners, I have no difficulty whatever enjoying the sex. I often enjoy it a great deal. Perhaps this is because I take time to get to know the men who visit me and to create an atmosphere where we can be comfortable together and our mutual pleasure increased. In fact, I think that time and experience has enhanced my ability to enjoy everything that goes on between us.

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The answer to this question is simple - YES :D

There are very few ladies that offer this, and i don't think it's offered just because they tolerate it.

To everyone saying he should consider the ethics about outing someone before giving the information, he's past that point. HE should have considered them before accepting a job to out someone. Whether it was for being with an SP or another woman, all the possible harassment and "bro code" stuff are the same. In my opinion (and what seems to be a majority) he should NOT have taken the job (or any similar) in the first place. but..... (I bet you knew this was coming) HE TOOK the job. Outing someone is not illegal (I wont go into how he got the information, At this point it it is in possession and as far as everyone jumping on the illegal bandwagon, coming from a site with a fair amount of incalls I find that hypocritical. (We can ignore the laws we choose but he can't? Jump on the ethics of it, which seems to be the bigger issue here, not the illegality) So we're down to a few choices: 1. Return the money, Don't tell the guy: If you do this quit the job. Never take another. You're agreeing it is wrong to out someone. Acceptable morally by many here but many agree she will hire another. End result guy probably gets outed. 2. Return the money and warn the guy: If you do this quit the job. Never take another. You're agreeing it is wrong to out someone. Acceptable morally by many here but many agree she will hire another. End result guy less likely to get outed, but who knows how his relationship with sister in law turns out. 3. Return partial amount. Give only information that he cheated and no specifics. (I don't get this one. If the contract says you have to give information on who he is with then you need to give that information and get all the money or not give any info and return the money saying you cant fulfill the contract. If the contract does not require the other persons info then don't give it and take all the money. 4. Give all the information you have and get paid to do the job you accepted. You made your bed now sleep in it. If you choose this, you're work ethic is good, your bro code is broken (Which it already was once you accepted the job anyway), he's outed and please don't show your face here ever again. Cause nobody will trust you. (Well I think that line has already been crossed and although I can't ask you to leave, I'm sure you will not get much warm hugs from many here) Discretion is key to this industry. So in my mind the question is do you want to keep doing your investigative work. If yes, you have to give her the info. If you are willing to quit, this would be a good one to reject and end that side job of yours.

March on soldier, take him down. I paid you, and I don't care if you think it's wrong. Since I paid you, you have forgone you right to reason and judgement. Notice I didn't even bring up ethics? If I'm here, I've thrown that out the window. But wait ... What's that? Others will get hurt? Their world would shatter and that of their children? Wooh. SP that the two of you seen will be outted too? Wooh. You've been given too much intel soldier. After you've done you job, here's another $500 and go shoot yourself cause your sister in law's sister just committed suicide. Enjoy the rest of your life drinking away your guilt. Watch out who you unintentionally hurt. You've put yourself in a very sensitive role which can cause tremendous harm. That's why I exited civil engineering. I made too many minor calculation all errors that I couldn't live with. Even though all my other marks were great enough for me to graduate. I can't live with myself if my bridge or tower eventually collapsed because I made a mistake. Lots of money there, but I sleep better here.

Heehee, hate to burst your bubble Il Re but this isn't a new idea - I've seen this happen in many porns! Makes me wish I could squirt...stilll hasn't happened!

WOW! I've done them all many times and will surely continue to do almost all on the list while still adding to my own "Must Dos". This is one hot thread and poll. I first read the list and thought shoot I'm a freak...Nawww I'm just a very open-minded sexual freaky lady :bddog:. Oh what shall I add to my list next or do again???? YOLO!!:icon_wink:

I read this thread about Evelyne here on cerb and was amazed by the recommendations in this thread and decided to also check the other board and she passed both boards gloriously as a very pretty safe GFE (my type exactly), She is among those providers who enjoys positive glorifying reviews on both boards and was a definite candidate to be my guest and my date for this weekend. I contacted her via her web site (given in this thread) and asked questions to see if we are compatible for a date (likes and dislikes) and she came back with all the right answers. So we made a tentative date for this Saturday afternoon and I was crossing my fingers all week that nothing unexpected happens to ruin this highly anticipated date. Everything went well and Evelyne was here on time but my God once the elevator door opened, then an angel came out of it with a smiling beautiful face. I welcomed her at the elevator and walked her to my place and once the door closed we started kissing and hugging and I knew that I will have one of the best hours of my life. What a beautiful face!!!. Evelyne has a very pretty face. An absolutely beautiful soft feminine natural blonde hair that I loved kissing, beautiful blue eyes and sexy lips that i I kept kissing again and again and again and she responded in kind. her body may not be a spinner but sexy and her skin may not be very pale, but soft. It is not my style to detail my date as it will remain private between two of us but only to say that she is a TOTAL GFE in both physical and emotional aspects of the definition. I had a heavenly time with this university student who will be graduating soon. Evelyne is a very classy and beautiful young educated lady and I would like to extend again my thanks to Evelyne for accepting my invitation to a be a guest in my house and the unforgettable date and I know now that I will be seeing her again soon.

From a professional standpoint: you've taken on a contract, and you therefore have a professional duty to fulfill that contract to the best of your ability. If you can't, I suppose a full refund to you your client with whatever explanation was appropriate would be a second-best option. But taking your client's money - any of it - and then lying to her about what you'd found would be seriously unethical. From a personal standpoint, on outing a fellow hobbyist... you knew (or should have known) that was a risk when you took the job on, so you don't get to complain now that the dice have landed that way. How you feel about this is what's going to be the deciding factor in whether you fulfill the contract you've undertaken, or renege on it entirely and refund your client. But if you're not happy about taking responsibility for screwing up someone else's life, you should probably re-think this covert surveillance thing entirely. And a big +1 on the questions over the legality of what you're doing. IANAL, but it sounds highly questionable to me.

Ah yes pussy farts. It's funny this was one of the first things I learned about the fairer sex way back in Grade 4 or 5. A certain girl in our class did it and it sent us all into gales of laughter. I wasn't crystal clear on all the anatomy at that point but she used to tell us that she was making the sound with her pussy not her ass! I lived out in the valley until my teen years and this was among farm people who were quite familiar with the basics of body functions etc. It's happened to me with a provider and it's not big deal...I get it and so do the ladies. When it comes to real farts I once had a really hot duo with a couple of strippers that I took home from the Taboo in Hull...about 10 years ago. I was particularly gassy for some reason, maybe too many beans or something. The three of us were having a pretty good time with one lady sitting on my face and one giving me a bj when I involuntarily let go a little sneaker. Unfortunately for all of us it was not a benign scentless one but indeed it was a silent and extremely deadly one! The three of us smelled it around the same time and exchanged horrified glances and then we all three started laughing and rolling around on the carpet in hysterics. Yes we had been smoking a little wacky tabacky before we started. We decided to take a little break to, ahem, "clear the air," and then we resumed our play time. It's never happened again (a two stripper duo or the farting) but it is an incident I look back on with mirth to this day. We had a saying when I was in the military "If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined."

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As others have said, you took the job you should do what you were contracted to do. The fact that your part time job is electronic surveillance and it never crossed your mind that this might happen makes me question your question. Did you think it might be an interesting topic to discuss or are you really having this dilemma.

Yes I would say Jude has it down to a science and art. :)

Before taking this case why wouldn't you have known this was a possible scenario? After all if a man is stepping out it could be with anyone from anywhere. I'm just surprised you wouldn't have thought of that, anyway, not lecturing just wondering. But now that it has occured I would turn in the information you have omitting the hobbyist activity. If that is possible. As you said you still get paid and she will have most of what she is looking for. If the hobbyist activity is all the proof you have I would drop the case and tell her there was nothing to be found. I always find it funny when women especially want these types of investigations as we are very intuitive creatures. When we suspect something it is for a reason. Imo just having the suspicion is the answer that there is infidelity.But I suppose some need visual proof. Tough situation but in the end it is only you that can decide what to do as it is you that has to live with your decision. Hopefully the sister in law won't decide to join cerb at any point, lol. Just trying to lighten the mood:icon_biggrin:-good luck.

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The biggest things are crossing someone's boundaries and I don't mean in a sexual kind of way. I think you have to let things fall naturally into place or you're going to seem like an eagar beaver which can be annoying or someone with an agenda which gets the spidey senses going with the ladies. To be honest and just a little constructive criticism here ( not a personal attack) is that you've mentioned things in passing about the ladies in your posts like when such and such a lady told you something. She said that in private and I'm a firm believer that it should never be relayed to anyone else let alone on an internet forum. If you want to piss off an SP and never see her again, this is one of the biggest things you can do. Once you write a recco of that lady and the nice things that transpired, whatever private convos or services that happened that day, should never be spoken of again. The only exception is when someone is asking for a good SP to spend time with. If you speak too fondly about a lady over and over, many may think you are a 'shiller' for her and then others members may begin to question this. Whatever conversations I have with clients in private have never been posted in a thread which I very much appreciate. If a woman is comfortable with you and trusts you, she will open up to you. If she finds all her dets splashed across threads on Cerb, I know if it were me, I'd never be seeing that person again! Personal boundaries and another person's privacy are of the utmost importance in this business and without that you don't have any credibility or trust. No one is out to get anyone here and while we realize you have come into a hobby that you enjoy and are excited to share things but please don't share with us that a lady feel comfortable to tell you her real name. This is not necessary and can be harmful to her and her business. Being too inquisitive will make an SP feel uncomfortable and want to head for the hills. Don't ask too many questions and should you two begin to develop a "business relationship" and the operative word here is "business", then over time she will share things but please whatever you do, don't ask things like it's the Spanish Inquisition. It's the number one pet peeve of providers and while you seem like an open person, please understand that the person you are spending time with may not be. A little goes a long way in this business.

As was recently discussed between a wonderful Cerb-ette and I during our most recent encounter, if you never run into pussy farts, you're not doing it right!

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I have never seen a provider post here wondering how much clients make based on their reviews or hobbying habits. There are some things that are not appropriate. This would be one of them.

Not only kids and pets but a spare blanket or some warm food for the homeless as well. There never seems to be enough room in the shelters this time of year.

you should be more concerned about her if she is underage...as far as hobbyists seeing her, they are adults who are usually of sound mind to make their own decisions and deal with the results. Though one should definitely be concerned for both, I think you have your priorities backwards.

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