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I'm wondering if you actually turn over the emails you have found? This would mean that private information from a provider (her location etc) will be in the hands of non industry female and could result in harrassment, eviction or worse. Depending on the intentions of the woman, this could have dire unintended consequences for an email only provider like myself or my sisters in our industry. I have been on the receiving end of angry wife phone calls and even visits by them to my incall. I would not wish it on anyone. Our industry carries unnecessary stigma and both provider and hobbyists alike bear the brunt of the negativity. If it were me, I would do everything in my power to protect the other potential victims by eliminating information that would give this woman the power to cause serious harm to them. If that was unavoidable, I would not forward any of this man's hobbying to her. I would eliminate this aspect from the report. I would simply look at it as an anonymous good deed, collect my money and move on. The woman who has hired you obviously is not concerned with ethics or she would have been sitting in front of you with his wife as she hired you or would not have contacted you at all. Her actions are invasively disrespectful to her sister and her sisters marriage. Declining the case would simply allow her to take it to another investigator that would give her the information and perhaps put a provider in harms way. We count on the hobbyist to be discreet and protect our information by not keeping it for prying eyes to find and this man obviously failed to do so. As a hobbyist, you have an opportunity to correct his mistake. Perhaps this is an old school mentality but I was taught that we protect our own, first and foremost. Society as a whole does not respect or protect us. It is up to us to ensure that those of us in our community are kept safe to the best of our ability and when the opportunity arises, we should not violate an unwritten code... cat

Ethics is a matter of doing what is right. Money doesn't factor into it in this case IMHO. What you are suggesting is nothing less than extortion, irrespective of how it is ratonalized. And it isn't just wrong, it compounds and complicates what is already an ethical dilemma for this guy. Just my two cents RG

I don't think it's necessarily a silly question. A lot of people hold onto this idea that people have a limited amount of sexual and/or emotional energy in any given day. People often wonder whether SPs/MAs are using up all of this energy at work. I don't ascribe to this idea that people have a limited amount of energy, I think life is more complicated than that and our energy levels depend on a variety of factors. Try and ask this same question for other sectors of the labour market. For example, when you've had a really really draining day at work... you're completely and utterly exhausted... if you had the opportunity to have amazing, relaxing, and rejuvenating sex, would you pass it up? Without getting into too much detail, of course we have sex in our personal lives! It's incredibly rare I don't want to have sex, unless I'm sick, but even then sometimes doing something as simple as mutual masturbation or a raunchy make-out session is sex for me. There are varieties and levels of sex that require more/less energy... to me, it's all about intimacy, not necessarily aerobatic sexual positions.

I think if an SP advertises it then she must be somewhat into it. If they just tolerate it for money then I can't comment because I won't do something I don't like or can't handle. Personally I don't like anal sex as I had a bad experience with it. I do have sex toys that I use sometimes on the job and for my own personal use but that is at my own discretion. Many people don't understand when you tell them to be careful and go slow so it's off the menu boys. I was a fan of digit play there but not so much now as many men use fingers there and try to stick them somewhere else afterwards. I'm literally having to stop them. Please tell me why some men think this is okay? Do they think this is healthy and nothing bad is going to happen? It's called a urinary tract infection and it is the worst pain ever! Basically bateria is coming from the colon and into the vagina and finally into the bladder. That's disgusting. A woman wakes up feeling like she is urinating razor baldes with the worst and uncomfortable abdominal pain that doesn't stop unless treated with antibiotics. If not treated, it leads to a kidney infection. I just wanted to mention this because some people really don't think about this even if they don't have ignorant or reckless intentions. Anything that is going to make me sick I won't do unless they follow my specific directions which is fine and can be enjoyable but so many just don't think about these things... I consider anal play more risky as the condom has a much higher chance of breaking. I care about my health.

I noticed that in all reccomendations that a hobbyist writes, there is no link to the lovely ladies profiles. You have to go search for her name. I for one would like to have a direct link to her profile, does anyone else feel this way?

I think the ladies who last longer in this business are people who are sexually comfortable with themselves and while it's a lucrative business, I'm a firm believer in the fact that if you don't like what you're doing for a living then don't do it. I don't do anything I don't want to do and yes, while --some-- do it for the cash, they are usually in and out of this business fairly quickly. I treat this like a business but at the same rate, many ladies provide good service and are not revolving door when it comes to seeing clients. As for women enjoying sex with less partners, then please explain why married men come to see us? Some wives simply no longer enjoy having sex so that puts that theory right out the window. For the record, I'm not judging married men for doing that as that's what we are here for. In fact, I believe SPs do in fact save many marriages.

Well not hat I'm an expert but I'll weigh in. At first gance, I have 2 issues with the situation. First, I'm having difficulty with the client being the sister-in-law. I personally don't see it being any of her business. It would be very different to me if your client was the wife but I feel that just because someone wants to know something doesn't mean they have a right to know. I say this not being familiar with the industry and not knowing what is common practice. It's just my opinion. The second issue, and probably more pertinent, is the "outing" you describe. I think although we try to separate our hobbying lives from the "real" world, we simply can't completely. I also feel that it is a similar situation to being at the grocery store where you run into a fellow hobbyist with his wife. In that situation you would either ignore him or come up with some story about how you knew each other. I think there exists a "code" that we must adhere to. It's a code which is mutually beneficial. You know something about him but he may also know something about you. Even if he doesn't Karma has a way of working these things out. I think the fact that struggling with what to do probably means you already know that you don't want this client. So I'd suggest, you go to the client and tell her you've discovered a personal link to the gentleman which disqualifies you from taking her as a client and give her her money back. My $0.02. Pennies are still accepted, right?

This seems like kind of a silly question to me. For most well adjusted people sex is like eating, so it's a bit like asking a chef if he or she still likes to cook and eat food. What I have discovered over the years is that according to some SPs relationships can be challenging to have but that's not the same thing at all is it?

I bet sex in the workplace is very common in your line of business <ducking for cover>

Il Re, I'll teach the ladies. LMAO!!! Cleo, it's really not that difficult. You just need to find your spot. It is usually found with the fingers and at the back there is a ridge on the wall. You need to keep touching that area and trust me...your eyes will go in the back of your head. Many guys can't find it because they like to finger women so roughly and think we enjoy that so I don't let anyone do it but will let them use toys. I also have a spot on the outside that is just as satisfying.

I stumbled across this on youtube...lol. That's fucking craaaazzzzzy!!! Hahaha. My friend and I can't stop saying it now. LMAO!

I think that this subject has been addressed very well but I would like to raise one thing that's not exactly germane, but related. Paid companions' ethics and confidentiality are called into question almost as a matter of course. Can a man trust us not to cause problems in his private life? How can he be sure we'll keep his identity a secret? I'm asked these questions all the time. The simple truth is that the one most likely to create a problem is the client. He uses the wrong computer to check his private e-mail account. He leaves a phone number on his cell phone. He records names, telephone numbers and addresses in a paper appointment journal and leaves it lying around. He keeps receipts for meals, hotel rooms, flowers or gifts. He sets up a private credit card or bank account but receives paper statements that are subsequently discovered by his wife, girlfriend or adult child. He saves e-mail and forum posts in word processing files on his computer. I could go on and on about the things that a man can do that may result in being discovered. In short: it's his own actions that reveal what he's up to. When wives, girlfriends and adult children find out that the fellow is seeing one of us, they find out from him, not from us. Every companion I know who has ever been asked by a potential client has readily agreed to sign a non-disclosure agreement but those requests are very few and far between. I've signed exactly one in the last 10 years. One. The confidentiality I extend to that particular man is no more and no less than what I provide to all others who visit me. Unfortunately, paid companions can't expect the same level of security with our clients. Every man who sees us is absolutely certain that he's covered his tracks. Almost none of them has. The ladies here offer a lot of support for one another every time a spouse contacts us. We're in the secrecy business. Confidentiality is non-negotiable as long as we're safe. We never admit that we've seen Mr. Wonderful. There's been a mistake. The caller has a wrong number. Yes, that's my line of work, but I don't know him. I never see men of that age, ethnicity, nationality, political affiliation. I have no idea why he recorded have my name, my website or e-mail address: hundreds of people see that information every day. I wasn't at the restaurant, theatre, yacht. I'm sorry for your distress. I've never met him. I didn't even vote for him/read his book/see that movie. Please don't cry. I can't help you. I hope things work out for you. I understand your anger, but I've never met you before and I've never met him. Please leave. You are not welcome here. I'm sorry you're so upset, but if you don't leave, now, I will call the police. I hope you can get things resolved, but I don't know him.

You have a very low and jaundiced view of women my friend. A woman's worth is not measured by how much she can make on her back. She is a human being with hopes, dreams and aspirations and not just a piece of meat to be weighed and judged singularly by her sexuality and her physical attractiveness or lack of same.

Not to get off topic here, but you're comparing escorts to streetwalkers. Apples and Bananas my friend...........

Absolutely! Gourmet chefs cook at home, too. Librarians read books outside of work. Doctors treat patients all day and attend to their own children's sore throats and sniffles. Bankers and brokers manage their own money. Travel agents take vacations. Construction workers, carpenters, plumbers, landscapers and gardeners usually take care of things at home. My dog trainer's own dogs are wonderful, beautifully trained critters. I dated a chef for a couple of years. While his reputation was for creating amazing dishes based on whatever was fresh in the market that morning, nobody anywhere, anytime, made better meatloaf, mac & cheese, chicken soup or basic breakfast from ordinary ingredients. He knew what he was doing and did it with loving care. I try to do the same.

I'm going to suggest Georgiana Sweet. Her boobs are to die for and to add she is extremely gorgeous and smart as a whip :) http://sweet-company.com/

of course! The more sex I have in my private life, the better I feel about working as an SP and actually keep a regular schedule. I have a healthy sexual life. Most of my partners are female thought, but that'S just cause I am slutty and greedy...and I like to be about 50/50 with both men and women. I get the sex with men in my professional life and sex with women in my private life :)

Simply trust the ladies' advertising! I hope and, in fact, am very confident that none of them 'tolerate' their involvement in this business.

You mean it isn't legal now? You must be an American (or watch too much American TV), it is not now and never has been illegal in Canada. Of course warrant-less searches of someone else's computer (without the Court's permission) or illegal wire tapping or surreptitious video surveillance is illegal.

Oh and as for asking the guy for money. That's not an option. That's extortion. And as far as ethics goes, you're breaking the bro code and the work ethics with that one so I certainly do not consider that even remotely close to being an option.

An era that always interested me was the 1870-1910 period of time. So much was changing on the technological front. When I was in university studying science it was always surprised me on how much of our fundamental science started during this time. Also, the pace of the development was much faster than in previous eras. A new idea quickly reached around the world. I still like being here in the present. Although, as Georgiana Sweet noted "we are living (in the west) in this magical, gilded society" and I do share her concerns of the future. The last gilded age ended up in major upheavals. If we are lucky we can learn for the mistakes of those times. Let us hope that "the better angels of our nature" help us avoid any future upheavals.

Well a couple issues. You as someone who partakes in this lifestyle undertook a contract which could potentially out someone else who partakes in this lifestyle. To me, if I was in your shoes, I would have declined the contract right there. If this concern happened as your surveillance started, you should have ceased the investigation. And return all money to the former client. She shouldn't pay for services she never got, there are ethics concerning dealing with your clients/ex-clients too. As for warning him, you wouldn't have known unless hired to investigate to begin with. If this guy is so indiscrete to leave a trail of proverbial breadcrumbs, on one hand he knows the risks. But on the other hand, there are potential innocent victims here too, the companions that this guy sees. They shouldn't run the risk of being contacted by an angry wife because of the husband's indiscretion or your surveillance of him. So only considering the ladies here, tell him he is suspected by his sister in law of cheating so he can be more discrete. Not only is this guy at risk of being exposed, the companions he sees may incur unfairly the wrath of a angry wife. Your client, hired you on the belief you would perform the services requested. If you chose to not pursue the investigation you shouldn't accept any money, imho it would be akin to fraudulently obtaining it, she is paying for services she never received. What you choose to do I don't know, but from posting this you are having a moral quandry here. My advice, cancel your contract, return the money...ALL OF IT and warn the guy only so he can clean up his breadcrumbs. You have to look at yourself in the mirror at the end of the day RG

Forget about outing a fellow hobbiest, you've just outtted yourself here and it's not likely that anyone will want to share private details regarding anything of any intimate matter with sps, mas or even girlfriends here knowing that someday it may be used against them. If you've had any professional training as an investigator you might want to review your textbooks and notes about ethics of the trade, ethics regarding responsibility to the client and ethics of best practices when investigating and accessing information. That's where you'll find your answer.

I also am more concerned on how you got this information. Intercepting someone's e-mail, (which is what you seem to have implied) is, if not illegal, certainly questionable. It could result in civil action, if not criminal. The fact it was a sister-in-law, who to me is more of a third-party than someone directly involved, makes it even more questionable. Return the money, declaring a conflict or personal connection, and walk away.

I don't think that these generalizations apply to most of us, Harrywatch. Speaking for myself, as one who has had more than "many" partners, I have no difficulty whatever enjoying the sex. I often enjoy it a great deal. Perhaps this is because I take time to get to know the men who visit me and to create an atmosphere where we can be comfortable together and our mutual pleasure increased. In fact, I think that time and experience has enhanced my ability to enjoy everything that goes on between us.

I got home a short while ago from a trip to Halifax. I ended up getting there a day late but had a really good time. We went skating on the Halifax oval, went to a very bad movie, (Hansel and Gretal) :), had some great Wii Mario Cart tournaments and I had short visits with a couple of very special friends. I am home in time to get myself ready for what I hope will be a really good Superbowl game. This coming week I travel again and that will be a future highlight I am certain.

If I said I did, it might ruin the "fantasy" but I am still human so let's just say I'm always well taken care of in that department by someone who is the male version of me in so many ways. It doesn't get any better than that. I also believe that sex off the job enhances better sessions with clients. If you see me very happy and smiling, you know why. It's a win win for everyone. ;)

Just like anyone else, there is a working life (in my case being very conservative and serious) and a private life (very casual and liberal). Just like some hobbyists who may have sex in their own private lives (with an SO) I imagine some providers too have sex in their private lives.

Glad to hear you are taking the plunge! Figure out what you want in this exchange and ask the ladies. We are very helpful. Good luck! Meaghan xo Posted via Mobile Device

Getting an early start on baking for the week ahead. The next few hours will be zen-like.

I am planning my first time myself, so I don't have any recommendations of specific ladies, but you can find reviews over in the recommendations thread to help make your choice.

I bet you every cop who's pulled someone over for speeding has been guilty of the same offender when off-duty. Business is business.

YUK.. Nazis & SS "just doing their job". Is there not a higer morality and responsibility here?

im sure for the right price you could coax someone out there. but a 4 hour drive each way. pretty much using up the ladys whole day. youd be looking at a pretty penny. id also assume thered have to be a way to guarantee payment as calls fall through a lot in the industry. not saying youd do that but its bad enough when it happens within city limits. 8 hours of wasted time would be bad.

Just a quick comment, sort of made it earlier. A few have posted the argument a job is a job. Generally speaking yes I would agree. But here there are potential innocent victims. Has anyone considered the wrath a SP could incur once the wife finds out (I'm not sure how much is known in this investigation, like the names of the SP's he has seen) Is it right that the SP's should have to deal with a angry wife because of a client's indiscretion and another guy's investigation at the behest of a sister-in-law The ladies we all see provide wonderful companionship and don't deserve nor did they contract for in any way shape or form any fallout from one of their clients marital indiscretions. Just saying that's all RG

A job's a job. The sister-in-law paid you to do that job. Sucks to be the other dude, but maybe that'll teach him to be more discreet about his extracurricular pursuits. You can't protect everyone. I can understand empathizing, but at the end of the day--this IS your job.

There's a bunch of things in the OP's original post that give me the weebie-geebies: 1) he seems to be saying he found an e-mail account, so I assume he located the password and then opened the e-mail account ... at least here in the States I'm pretty sure that's illegal now; 2) that the OP took the work on given that he is also "partaking," so to speak (on this point, in fairness, he deserves some credit for coming here and seeking an opinion, and 3) CK's point above ... I dont think he is going to get much "love" from other cerb members now that they know what he does. Last, if he is digging around here looking for information (for instance, a posting search) is this even a proper use of cerb. I dont see anything specifcally in the rules, but there probably should be. Anyways, I dont post a lot these days but this topic definitely got my attention.

long time follower. first time posting. business is business, right. even if you have to be shady. you dont want to out this dude but you want to get paid right. lets say the contract was for $100(just a number). confront the guy and tell him that you know what hes doiong and that you have been contracted to look into what hes doing. tell him that for $150 yuo will tell the sister in law that you are clean and you couldnt find anything. also maybe tell him to cool it for a bit or be more dicrete. you get paid, she thinks hes clean. and maybe he learns a lesson from this and tries to stay loyal to his wife. just an opinion. i could be way off though

Not sure which impresses me more, the cop's composure or the octaves that driver can hit during a temper tantrum. If he wanted extra money to pay for the ticket, I'm sure with a voice like that he could have auditioned for a job with a boy band.

Just wanted to point out that not ALL recos. are lacking links to profiles. As it is a pet peeve of mine as well I make sure to include links in all my recommendations.

Perhaps. Something else that's happened over the last few years is the continuing growth of the Internet, and with it online communities such as this one. There is now a wealth of information about the SPs that are available, and how to go about seeing them, that simply didn't exist a few years ago. The existence of a community also provides simple reassurance to the new hobbyist or SP that they are not alone, and that many other well-adjusted individuals are doing the same as them. For many people, it's hugely comforting to know that you're not some kind of freak. I'd argue that the invention of the Internet is of more significance than the invention of ED meds, to be honest.

I do webcam shows for just this very purpose, and could likely provide recos if you'd like. :)

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