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That activity is still illegal, and we don't discuss illegal activities here on cerb

The two publications at this link are part of a 3-year research project by Chris Bruckert at U of Ottawa and Tuulia Law, and a community advisory committee composed of Maggie's, POWER, Stella and Stepping Stone. "Rethinking Management in the Adult and Sex Industry" "Beyond Pimps, Procurers and Parasites: Mapping Third Parties in Incall/Outcall Sex Industry" Both of these are comprehensive, valuable publications, providing excellent summaries of the current laws related to prostitution in Canada as well as great analysis of the management models prostitutes use, including agencies, pimps, secretaries, booking agents, drivers and web designers.

Thanks, toklat! I am actually in the process of planning a trip to Kingston for the end of May... Potentially the 20th-22nd :)

OK here goes. I would consider myself Atheist. However in a way, I understand the need or desire for people to believe in something spiritually (What ever that may be for them). However, I believe in the fundamental value of do onto others as you would do onto you. You can be a moral person and not be religious I have no issue with religion or people who wish to worship a god. Again however, I have always said that some of the most intolerant people I have met are religious people. They interpret the bible to justify their beliefs and values and belittle those who oppose them. Understand this, the bible, the new testament and any other book of worship, were all written by man. (Sorry ladies, maybe women had a hand in it but considering it was 2 or 3 thousand years ago, I doubt it) Over the centuries, different people interpreted these books differently. Again, it is just humans interpreting the words of other humans. There are a lot of good things in any of these books. it's not hard to take a look at a cruel world and say, wouldn't it be better if we didn't do this and did do that. Morality is a personal choice and is solely based on how you live your life and how you treat others. My religion is the Religion of Humanity Sex for money (That doesn't include a pimp stealing money) is a business. Supply and Demand, Desire and Fulfillment. If all parties are willing and respectful than morally there is nothing wrong.

I think I'm starting to understand how things like anorexia, plastic surgery obsessions, excessive tanning, extreme body building, etc. come about. I've tended to be a little bigger most of my life. I'm tall so I get away with it but I've tended to carry a bit more weight than perhaps would be considered optimal. This year I decided to exercise a bit more and eat a bit less and have lost around 20 pounds from my 'typical' weight. At first, I found myself admiring my flat stomach and feeling very good about how loose my pants were and such but it seems that over time you start to adjust to your new 'baseline'. You look at yourself and still see things. A bit of a love-handle or whatever. You weigh yourself every day and see that you're still the same weight but when you look in the mirror, instead of liking what you see, you again become critical. You want to work out more, eat less, get fitter, more toned, etc. In theory I haven't changed over the last couple months, at least as far as the scale is concerned. But what I see in the mirror has changed. So I imagine this must be what it's like for people who have unhealthy obsessions with their appearance. No matter how much you do, you're always going to find new things to be unhappy with, things that you would like to change or improve. Kind of like those that were posted here before. We're always own own worst critics. I know it's just my mind playing tricks on me but it's a powerful effect. I can see how some people would fall under its spell. I know what it's doing though, this little nagging voice in my head, so I'm going to try to just keep eating well and exercising normally and not let it take hold of me. Remember people. Be comfortable in your own skin. You're probably more beautiful than you think you are.

Itbis hard to accomodate everyones schedules needs, i am just looking for an idea..., and i am open to other MAs experiences opinions... And why not at some point come and visit kingston once a month. I know like in any business time and recognition has to be acquired...m and i am ready to do that..., But you have to also understand i will be comming out of my comfort zone... My first adventure ever away xfrom home...:-)

If ilegal acvtivities and. Taking unnecesary risks to save a quick buck...is what you are looking for... My question is What are you doing on this Board??? You are 100 % in the wrong place.,,

I will venture and say that you find them on the streets.

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I know you said people who are offended by religion not to continue reading. I am not offended by religion as someone who spent many years sitting in a church, even taking part in a worship band at the church. But the question of does this hobby conflict with religion is a simple answer. Yes. If a person is taking part in a hobby where intimate acts are the main focus it is a whole hearted yes it conflicts with religion (I say religion knowing there are thousands of religions out there but for this this topic I figure we are talking Christianity, Judaism or Islam.) If you are going to follow a religion and say yes to some rules and no to others you are not following that religion. Yes they have good moral rules like love thy neighbour, or don't kill but that is (in my opinion) a way that most people knew the moment we could walk upright. To say yes I am a Christian and then go and get hammered every other night is not "Christ-Like" but hypocritical. The same can be said about having a sexual relationship outside of marriage or before marriage. As I have been told many times a sin is a sin. I am not saying what we do is wrong. Not at all. Just that if one is worried about their religion getting mixed up in this hobby it's OK, (don't want to come off as an ass) you are not really following your religion. I am sorry if I offended anyone with my last statement.

I have to agree with Eric on this. Anyone can skew their religion to say it is ok to do, to get what they want. I don't necessarily agree with that, but so be it...to each their own. I grew up going to church every week and stopped pretty much when i started going to Uni, since i was making my own decisions by then. But i went for the sake of my Dad and i lived under his roof, so i didn't really have a choice. But he wasn't strict about anything at home, just you had to go to church. I never believed in having to go to church to be with GOD, you can do that anywhere, if he's listening to everyone?! In the case of Christians, not sure where in the bible they mention going to see a prostitute is a bad thing but it def objects to a prostitute. I think the main issue is that the man is committing ADULTERY when seeing a prostitute, which is a big sin in the bible. Religion can be a funny thing, especially when it comes to saying what is acceptable or not...people pick and choose. Some accept gay marriage and others don't, some accept or will see an SP and others condone it. So this is kind of why I live my life, my way and not follow anybody, less problems that way lol. I try to treat people right and think i have good morals, but if i end up in so-called Hell, so be it Curious, why have you gone back to religion CH?

Taking a photo which turned out perfectly. That made my day! As we move on through spring, sailing toward summer. Here it is for anyone and everyone to enjoy if they so wish. I saturated the colors and underexposed it somewhat in order to bring out the shadows. The result had me "dancing in the streets" I must say. Have a great day and take care. PatrickGC

Believe it or not... brussel sprouts! Jelly beans stick in my teeth and I hate the feeling lol Zip lining or roller blading?

Thought this was well worth sharing! Change Your Thinking It will take just 37 seconds to read this and change your thinking.. Two men, both seriously ill, occupied the same hospital room. ... One man was allowed to sit up in his bed for an hour each afternoon to help drain the fluid from his lungs. His bed was next to the room's only window. The other man had to spend all his time flat on his back. The men talked for hours on end. They spoke of their wives and families, their homes, their jobs, their involvement in the military service, where they had been on vacation.. Every afternoon, when the man in the bed by the window could sit up, he would pass the time by describing to his roommate all the things he could see outside the window. The man in the other bed began to live for those one hour periods where his world would be broadened and enlivened by all the activity and colour of the world outside. The window overlooked a park with a lovely lake. Ducks and swans played on the water while children sailed their model boats. Young lovers walked arm in arm amidst flowers of every colour and a fine view of the city skyline could be seen in the distance. As the man by the window described all this in exquisite details, the man on the other side of the room would close his eyes and imagine this picturesque scene. One warm afternoon, the man by the window described a parade passing by. Although the other man could not hear the band - he could see it in his mind's eye as the gentleman by the window portrayed it with descriptive words. Days, weeks and months passed. One morning, the day nurse arrived to bring water for their baths only to find the lifeless body of the man by the window, who had died peacefully in his sleep. She was saddened and called the hospital attendants to take the body away. As soon as it seemed appropriate, the other man asked if he could be moved next to the window. The nurse was happy to make the switch, and after making sure he was comfortable, she left him alone. Slowly, painfully, he propped himself up on one elbow to take his first look at the real world outside. He strained to slowly turn to look out the window besides the bed. It faced a blank wall. The man asked the nurse what could have compelled his deceased roommate who had described such wonderful things outside this window. The nurse responded that the man was blind and could not even see the wall. She said, 'Perhaps he just wanted to encourage you.' Epilogue: There is tremendous happiness in making others happy, despite our own situations. Shared grief is half the sorrow, but happiness when shared, is doubled. If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money can't buy. 'Today is a gift, that is why it is called The Present .' The origin of this letter is unknown, but please pass it on. Share it with friends and tag them so the cycle continues ... Do not keep this letter ... You could change a life too ...See More

I will be organizing the next Ottawa social for both male and female CERB members in good standing on Thursday, May 9, 2013 in Ottawa. Since this is being organized by CERB members for other CERB members, please do not bother the MOD about this event. It will be held a centrally located venue in Ottawa. It will be in a reserved room of a public bar/restaurant. It will run from approximately 6:30 p.m. until closing time. There will be a variety of music played and dancing will be encouraged. There will be a limit of 60 spots available (ideally 30 gents/30 ladies), on a first-come, first-served basis to those members in good standing who have some presence on the board or in the hobby (if you have a low post count, but good rep, that's all we care about). There will be a cost for gents to attend and tickets will be available starting the first week of April. You will be able to pay by e-mail money transfer, postal money order or cash (in person in advance to me.). The price of the tickets will be $45. This is to cover drinks for the ladies, appetizers, door prizes and other expenses associated with organizing these events. There will be no cost to the ladies to attend, however you will have to confirm 3 days before the event that still intend on coming due to the fact we always sell out and end up with a waiting list. If you didn't get a chance last time, you will be given first priority. I am looking forward to seeing old friends and meeting new ones. This is a meet and greet social event in a public venue (no hanky panky :smile:) and as with past events, expect all attendees to behave accordingly. Remember, CERB members from all across Canada (and elsewhere) are welcome to attend. If you think you might like to join us, feel free to pm and let me know. Angela of Ottawa Your humble social organizer.

If you were not her customer you may want to just skip this and move on to next thread. If this upsets or offends anyone I apologize. Out of respect I am asking you keep any comments of poor taste to yourself and simply ignore this post if it bothers you in any way. If the mods decide this isn't appropriate I understand and apologize. Ok, lots of guys have been asking about Jen and out of the blue she called me the other day. She is doing well and thanks everyone for asking. She asked me to pass on a message and to be honest I am not real comfortable doing this or even sure it's appropriate but as a good friend of hers, here goes ..... Some of you know that she suffered a tragedy a while back, shortly after she left work in Ottawa. She lost her youngest son and BF in a car accident due to a drunk driver. They were on the way to see Jen who was in the hospital, her older kids were hurt pretty badly but recovered nicely since. There is WAY more to this story than meets the eye and this is where I struggle to know how much or what to say. I had seen Jen a few times after the accident as a friend to support her and we talked a lot as she knew I had lost a son as well. But 5 months later I started a project for work that involves travel. Upon return her phone numbers no longer worked and I decided she wanted to be left alone so I did not pursue contacting her in any way. I'll just mention that her son predicted his own and his father's death (this was confirmed to me by Jen's daughter) and in a strange twist of fate contributed to the accident which took their life. All of these unusual events have caused Jen to find religion. She quit massage and is doing hair only in BC. This all sounds unusual I am sure but keep in mind I am relaying this for Jen. Before his death her son told Jen that he was going to go to heaven soon but warned Jen that she was going to hell with her customers. This is what has Jen concerned and why she has changed her life but feels VERY strongly that her former customers need to be warned of this. She feels she can't truly be at ease until this is said so here I am feeling very conflicted writing this. She misses her customers who were also friends and wants them to know. She also extends an invitation to call her if you like, I will pass on her phone number via PM if you can convince me you were a friend of hers who will not call to upset her. Keep in mind she lives on the west coast and this is long distance, so it will cost you to call her. And don't expect a quick call if you want her to elaborate :) Those of you who know me will know this is no hoax and I do not endorse or condone the sentiments or beliefs expressed by Jen. This is her request and as a good friend of hers I am putting myself out on a limb to help her, much as I have done through the years.

Its been a slow day. My highlight is my 400th post. That and the sunny afternoon weather.

Indeed! It came with a pleasant, cheerful chauffeur. A very nice late afternoon and evening here while we enjoy such beautiful weather. Btw, I like the photo of the rhododendron you posted. Beautiful!

My comment was just a generalization it wasn't aimed at anyone. It's just a topic few so called followers refuse to acknowledge. I also agree with your comment that religion does suppress human rights on all levels and woman especially.

I presume such a wish would include a staff of, "appropriately qualified" chauffeurs. After all: What is image alone? One must have splendor along the way. PatrickGC

Very well sai! I'm the opposite end of the spectrum, have always been very thin. And it's very difficult for me to add weight. One thing I told an ex of mine, is to not obsessed with the number on the scale. Especially when you start working out and so on. You'll burn off a lot of water and drop weight fast, but then once the muscle starts to really build up, that number may start rising again. It's more about the view/image (and everyone prefers something different) than any number some bathroom scale will show.

Kingston doesn't have many MA's and I am sure you would do quite well here once your get to be known! You may want to talk to Amelia who visits Kingston sometimes and provides MA services.

Two weeks! :D

Not sure I have gone back to religion Conquistador but the recent thread "message from Jen" made me thinking in which her son predicted the deaths of himself and his father and asked his mother to stop working or face hell just before he died in a tragic car accident...... In addition there are three issues to the hobby. The legal, moral and safety issues. As for Legal aspects the outcall hobbying which I do is legal. As for Safety I take part in nothing bare so I keep the first two aspects in check but still remains the moral issue unresolved as the reason for my recent tendency to go for dancers and MAs. All religions have forbidden adultery and exploitation. As for adultery I don't see knowingly anyone who is married or in relationships and I am single or what remains is exploitation issue. I never disrespect or force any service and I screen out as much as I could to screen out those I suspect being forced or pimped but we all know there are many working in this industry who are there against their will or do not like to be there and for the need of money or pimped. (this is not specific to any provider or cerb which likely represents less than 10% of total providers in industry but cerb does not have crystal ball either to screen out). Unless I have a crystal ball or supernatural powers I won't be able to screen them all out. So this issue remains unresolved and if there is really a God and heaven and hell (and I am not sure if there are) then I always joke to my family that a very hot place is reserved for me for what I do when I die!!!. So I was interested to know what other hobbyists think about it and if there are some who may think like me and what the providers think about it too.

Tonight, chocolate cake, chocolatissimo

But will you be wearing pants OD? Inquiring minds want to know. See you there cutie! What better opportunity will there be to mix with the most beautiful women in Canada and get to know your fellow hobbyists??? Lee Richards will be there and he has promised to wear pants!!!

Apparently Phaedrus and I just bought an Australian mail order bride. She's bringing beer.

"Our lives improve only when we take chances - and the first and most difficult risk we can take is to be honest with ourselves!" Walter Anderson

I said all that I ever intend to say regarding religion and the hobby on the religion thread. I will say however, that The Sessions is an excellent flick featuring the great wm. Macy and Helen Hunt's most excellent naked middle aged bod.

Well there was me. A lady on LL, back when I tried dating sites, in her profile suggested that if she was just given the money a guy would spend on dinners out he would be guaranteed to take her to bed. BTW no, I didn't contact her Also, twice while on LL Russian brides hijacked my email. One contacted me and said for, I think it was over $10,000 I could send her the money so she could fly to Canada to be my wife. Another said she would fly to Canada to be my wife but her mother and son would be coming too RG

I never knew Jen and like others am glad she was able to put her life back in order but her message (intended for her clients not even me) did make me thinking a lot and re-evaluating my life style..... My best wishes to her.

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She was in Sat afternoon before last. Additional Comments: Barbie come to life.

Dude! :) Let's stick with the meat packer for the moment. You can't really believe that tossing in sick cows is just an innovative approach to business. It's plainly, purely wrong. People could get sick or die. It's freakin' evil. Putting other people's health at risk to protect a profit is purely selfish, and in a really bad way. Let's venture further. Let's say people get sick, and it's traced back to the plant and they have to shut down. Awesome! The market prevails, right? And it's this risk that keeps people from doing the sick-cow thing. No need for abstract ethics. But... no. A thousand times NO. First off, people may be dead; the market isn't going to help them. But even if nobody gets sick, it was innately unethical because each and every time, the owner risked his customers' health dishonestly. That the risk wasn't realized doesn't make it alright. (And if you're not sure about that... let's say I invite you over to my house but, while you're busy studying my art collection, I secretly take out a gun and point it at you. I also roll a die. I promise myself that if I roll a 6, I'll shoot you. I roll the dice ten times and never get a 6. I put the gun and die away. Were my actions ethical because you're still alive?) Businesses, and markets, promote one single, solitary driving imperative: effective behaviour. "Does it make a profit? Then it's okay!" That's not anywhere remotely the same thing as ethical behaviour, unless by coincidence. The market is neither an angel, nor a devil: it's absolutely a-moral. The problem is, lots and lots of people still inexplicably confuse markets and business with angels. If the consumer is informed up front that professionals may respond to ads, then everything is cool. Noboody is lying. But if the site purports otherwise, it's not; people have resorted to outright lies to bait their hook. The site has rules, and everyone should obey them. Even if the consumer knows "professionals may be here trying to scam you", that doesn't make the deceivers' behaviour ethical; they're a problem people must actively avoid, and make the whole site worse for everyone. Similarly, just because I "should" know ahead of time that being in some parts of the city at the wrong time means I might get mugged, that doesn't make the muggers ethical. OH, I could go on! :) However... this is CERB, not r/ethics, so I think I'll probably leave it there. Totally! "Springtime for Hitler". Under the right circumstances, even the most taboo stuff can be hilarious. (Didn't help Roberto Benigni with Life is Beautiful, though, at least with a lot of people. I was one of those who liked the movie a lot.)

As I said, above, I don't think that dating sites are great places for finding prospective clients. Good profiles take a lot of time to write. Escorts' profiles are quickly banned, making the sites a poor return on one's time investment. Having said that, let's not over-praise the integrity of these sites' users. Every profile presents its author in their best or most ideal light, including, for example, accidentally forgetting to mention that one is already married. There are different opinions about "sugar babies" and "kept women." I'm pretty hard-nosed about it: if he wouldn't give her money unless she has sex with him, it's paid companionship. If a lady wants to consider herself to be something else, that's up to her. We have different business models, too. I do, indeed, have personal relationships with my clients. They tend to be relationships that happen, say, every Thursday morning, but over time the level of personal and intimate engagement is considerable. This is a model that works for me. Other companions work differently. While the Sugar Daddy sites purport to be all about the ongoing relationship, many, perhaps even most, of the men are not always looking for something quite so steady and regular, but seek occasional playtime with one or several women. Even "sugar babies" have a hard time finding those ongoing, stereotypical benefactors. Frankly, I agree. I would never advise someone not to advertise somewhere just because the clientele or readership may not expect to find her there. When I manage to convince the editorial board of National Geographic, Scientific American, or even GQ to accept my very tasteful, carefully-worded ad, I'll be paying for the space. With the greatest respect, Steve, comparisons with the Nazis are invidious at best. Speaking for myself, when my children's father had descended to refusing to support our children if they lived with me, my only options were between entering the sex trade or losing them. My choice was not a self-serving rationalization, it was the right thing to do. What it took to find clients was also right and appropriate. I say: Ladies, advertise where you can. No matter who you are or where you post, most of the men who read your ads will take a pass. Don't be discouraged. Be careful, be diligent, be creative and resourceful, ask other ladies for help and feedback. You only need some men to make bookings. It's hard to know where you may find them, but they're out there.

Miss Meaghan Mcleod visits Fredericton often, she is a very nice lady, easy to get along with and fun to spend time with:)

To me is an Art form.. The art of seduction, the art of pleasure, the art of feeling and making feel, the art of connection, Becoming an MA, was never in my plans but life has so many turns that here I am... Before I worked as an MA there was too many things I didn't know about the proffesion itself and just saw it through the eyes of the society... With all the stigma that made me see it as a bad thing... Now I see it from a very different prospective, I see that there is more than just the physical part(like you said Patrck) I have since I started working as an MA discovered many things about myself I would have never found otherwise...

short dresses or skirts, always in fashion

A note from a friend, a post on my page, an exchange of pm's with someone new, or reconnecting with someone I haven't heard from in a while. It's all about friendship.

Hearing the first new Black Sabbath song in 34 years! :D I was afraid this was going to sound like just another Ozzy album....but yup, that's an authentic Sabbath tune if I've ever heard one!

Awesome topic. Also, related question: which "date" you thought went really well was actually a disaster without you realizing it? Like: - you left the SP's place and immediately called your buddies and said "oh yeah, oh yeah, I just banged that girl and I was all, like, bang bang bang and then I went for the kill!" - but in fact, after she closed the door behind you, the SP was thinking "Christ I'm glad that's over. And who the hell WAS that guy?" Then she took a quick shower, returned a call from her sister from that afternoon, worked on a term paper due next week, made a grocery list, then put on a bathrobe and warm fuzzy socks, and curled up to watch the Daily Show while snacking on a pint of Haagen Dasz. They're people, dude.

Lol.....I'll let others discuss. I think I hear the theme song from Jaws on this thread. Emly J....... cute response! I know where the ladies are coming from. I'm old enough to slow down, smell the roses, and appreciate the finer things life has to offer........like the company of an amazing lady for awhile. There's another 4 letter word for intercourse..."talk"... and I can talk the ear off most people.

would love to test out how much you love it Hannah

Kiss - I was made for loving you Lick it up

Honestly I found it extremely distasteful. And also bigger isn't better. to quote SaraMQ I only have a 5 inches vagina, I don't need a 10 inches penis.